October 6, 2012
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8466428/ohio-state-buckeyes-cardale-jones-tweets-classes-pointless
Ohio State third-string quarterback Cardale Jones made his feelings about attending classes clear Friday on Twitter.
"Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL classes are POINTLESS," he wrote.
The tweet and Jones' entire account have been deleted, but multiple media outlets captured Jones' words before they vanished.
Ohio State sent out a statement late Friday night regarding Jones' tweet and its policy on social media.
"We allow our student-athletes the opportunity to express themselves via the social mediums," the statement read. "What we do ask of them and communicate to them is the importance of being respectful, appropriate and aware that their communications can impact many people. We remind that others may have different views and opinions on what may and may not be appropriate, so always remember not to post or tweet anything that could embarrass themselves, their team, teammates, the university, their family or other groups, organizations or people."
My favorite part of that story is that Jones had a 3.0 GPA. Honestly, how easy are the classes that he's taking?
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 13, 2015, 09:53:56 AM
October 6, 2012
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8466428/ohio-state-buckeyes-cardale-jones-tweets-classes-pointless
Ohio State third-string quarterback Cardale Jones made his feelings about attending classes clear Friday on Twitter.
"Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL classes are POINTLESS," he wrote.
The tweet and Jones' entire account have been deleted, but multiple media outlets captured Jones' words before they vanished.
Ohio State sent out a statement late Friday night regarding Jones' tweet and its policy on social media.
"We allow our student-athletes the opportunity to express themselves via the social mediums," the statement read. "What we do ask of them and communicate to them is the importance of being respectful, appropriate and aware that their communications can impact many people. We remind that others may have different views and opinions on what may and may not be appropriate, so always remember not to post or tweet anything that could embarrass themselves, their team, teammates, the university, their family or other groups, organizations or people."
But...but...but, I thought if you attend a Big 10 school you're an elite scholar.
Andy Katzenmoyer is upset Cardale doesn't take his studies serious enough.
I hope people don't bash this kid too hard for being honest.
He merely said what hundreds -- or maybe even thousands -- of college athletes think but are afraid to say.
College football is little more than the NFL's cheap minor-league system.
The real dopey thing is that Zeke Elliott can't go to the NFL after two years in college. He so obviously is ready to begin making money in his chosen profession, which is what college is supposed to be for.
Quote from: MU82 on January 13, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
The real dopey thing is that Zeke Elliott can't go to the NFL after two years in college. He so obviously is ready to begin making money in his chosen profession, which is what college is supposed to be for.
He should petition the NFL. What could go wrong for an OSU running back who tries that?
Quote from: MU82 on January 13, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
I hope people don't bash this kid too hard for being honest.
He merely said what hundreds -- or maybe even thousands -- of college athletes think but are afraid to say.
College football is little more than the NFL's cheap minor-league system.
The real dopey thing is that Zeke Elliott can't go to the NFL after two years in college. He so obviously is ready to begin making money in his chosen profession, which is what college is supposed to be for.
Agree about Elliott. Especially RBs. A human being can only take so many hits, and if the guy is not intent on graduating from Ohio State he shouldn't have to absorb the next 300-400 hits for free.
The vast majority of football players, even at football factory schools, are not going to earn a paycheck playing football. It's not basketball where you have many options where you can make a living wage playing in Europe or somewhere if you don't make the NBA.
The simple, basic deal with college athletics is that the student-athletes provide the university with a service by playing a sport, and in turn the university provides the student-athlete with an education. Now the student should want and should be encouraged to avail him or herself of that opportunity for a useful education, not just some nonsense to keep them eligible.
That's why the scandal at UNC to me strikes at the heart of college athletics and should be met with the severist of punishments. It's one thing for a student-athlete to not take advantage of the opportunity, but its quite another for a university to actively discourage pursuit of a meaningful degree in order to meet its athletic goals.
33m+ people tuned into the game with another 80,000 paying an average of $800 to watch it in person. There are lots of people getting rich off of free labor. God forbid they don't want to go to class at these schools that exploit them without shame
He's absolutely correct. Wish more would speak out in the same way and further expose the sham of college athletics.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 13, 2015, 09:58:04 AM
My favorite part of that story is that Jones had a 3.0 GPA. Honestly, how easy are the classes that he's taking?
Maybe he has friends who take good notes.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 13, 2015, 03:08:10 PM
Agree about Elliott. Especially RBs. A human being can only take so many hits, and if the guy is not intent on graduating from Ohio State he shouldn't have to absorb the next 300-400 hits for free.
The vast majority of football players, even at football factory schools, are not going to earn a paycheck playing football. It's not basketball where you have many options where you can make a living wage playing in Europe or somewhere if you don't make the NBA.
The simple, basic deal with college athletics is that the student-athletes provide the university with a service by playing a sport, and in turn the university provides the student-athlete with an education. Now the student should want and should be encouraged to avail him or herself of that opportunity for a useful education, not just some nonsense to keep them eligible.
That's why the scandal at UNC to me strikes at the heart of college athletics and should be met with the severist of punishments. It's one thing for a student-athlete to not take advantage of the opportunity, but its quite another for a university to actively discourage pursuit of a meaningful degree in order to meet its athletic goals.
Agree with every word of this, CTW.
October 12, 2012? What a breaking news story.
Quote from: Skitch on January 13, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
October 12, 2012? What a breaking news story.
Kind of relevant considering he's gone from "3rd string quarterback" to "B10, Sugar Bowl, and National Champion quarterback" in the last 2 months or so.
Heck, im not a college athlete but I feel like going to class is pointless for some professors/classes.
Everyone gets a mulligan on what they said and did as a first semester freshman.
Waiting for maurice clarett To chime in with his 2 cent, wait, he probably ain't got 2 cent
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 14, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Kind of relevant considering he's gone from "3rd string quarterback" to "B10, Sugar Bowl, and National Champion quarterback" in the last 2 months or so.
...to 2015 NFL Draft pick (if he's smart enough to go now). His stock will never be higher, GMs will fall in love with his potential and there's not enough film out there for him to be ridiculed.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
His stock will never be higher, GMs will fall in love with his potential and there's not enough film out there for him to be ridiculed.
Exactly, as Mariota was being questioned by critics the last few weeks for the games he played on an injured knee and his performance not being better... :(
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
...to 2015 NFL Draft pick (if he's smart enough to go now). His stock will never be higher, GMs will fall in love with his potential and there's not enough film out there for him to be ridiculed.
Hmmm. I dunno about that.
If he returns to school and has a great season, he could go in the top 5, or even first overall (next year's QB draft class is looking horrid at this point).
While there isn't enough film on him out there right now, there's enough for NFL teams to see he has huge flaws in his passing game. While teams might love his potential, it's highly unlikely he goes in the first round unless he wows people at the Combine and in workouts.
The difference between being the first pick and going in the second round can be $20 million.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 15, 2015, 12:56:47 PM
Hmmm. I dunno about that.
If he returns to school and has a great season, he could go in the top 5, or even first overall (next year's QB draft class is looking horrid at this point).
While there isn't enough film on him out there right now, there's enough for NFL teams to see he has huge flaws in his passing game. While teams might love his potential, it's highly unlikely he goes in the first round unless he wows people at the Combine and in workouts.
The difference between being the first pick and going in the second round can be $20 million.
He's not going to be a 1st Round pick this season but he also might not even be the starter at OSU next season. The difference between being a 4th Round pick and a college back-up can be $5 million ;)
He more than likely would be drafted in the mid-rounds, potentially by a team like the Saints, Giants, Cardinals, etc who have their short-term QB in place and could give Jones 2-3 years to develop.
Apparently his announcement is coming up at 3 today.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 01:08:29 PM
He's not going to be a 1st Round pick this season but he also might not even be the starter at OSU next season. The difference between being a 4th Round pick and a college back-up can be $5 million ;)
He more than likely would be drafted in the mid-rounds, potentially by a team like the Saints, Giants, Cardinals, etc who have their short-term QB in place and could give Jones 2-3 years to develop.
Apparently his announcement is coming up at 3 today.
Also, another year in the OSU program may hurt more than it helps if he is viewed as just a product of their style of offense. (Which he will never run anywhere else.) He may be at his most valuable as a raw talent.
He's worth a mid-round pick. If he is a Jamarcus like disaster, you can afford that given his potential upside. I would think though that there are huge concerns about his ability to read defenses. All he has ever done is do a simple, one read system. (Mariotta is the same however.)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 15, 2015, 01:45:27 PM
He's worth a mid-round pick. If he is a Jamarcus like disaster, you can afford that given his potential upside. I would think though that there are huge concerns about his ability to read defenses. All he has ever done is do a simple, one read system. (Mariotta is the same however.)
To be fair to Jamarcus, if you put him on a good team and let him play back-up for 2+ seasons, his story might have been completely different.
high draft pick + huge salary + expectations + poor performance + immaturity = Flameout.
If you can remove the high pick, high salary, expectations, and give him some successes in mini-camps and preseason, you can probably overcome any maturity issues and develop his skills (both physical and mental).
I'd def. take a flyer on Jones if he shows he has some physical tools at the combine.
need to see a Wonderlick score before even considering
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 15, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
To be fair to Jamarcus, if you put him on a good team and let him play back-up for 2+ seasons, his story might have been completely different.
Maybe .... but highly unlikely.
JaMarcus' failure had much, much less to do with who drafted him (or where he was drafted) than his own laziness and personal issues.
Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Andre Ware, David Klingler, Akili Smith - even Ryan Leaf - all these busts got multiple opportunities in the NFL. Since he was cut by the Raiders, not one NFL team has taken a serious look at Russell. Doesn't that tell you all you really need to know here? Russell fell into a less-than-ideal situation, to be sure, but by far his biggest problem was himself.
It's implicit that every highly drafted QB (not named Andrew Luck) is going into a bad situation with immediate expectations of success. The good ones rise above that and drag the franchise with them. JaMarcus sunk the franchise even further.
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on January 15, 2015, 02:06:20 PM
need to see a Wonderlick score before even considering
It's Wonderlic, not Wonderlick.
You're the Ron Dayne of Scoop posters.
Quote from: MU82 on January 13, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
I hope people don't bash this kid too hard for being honest.
He merely said what hundreds -- or maybe even thousands -- of college athletes think but are afraid to say.
College football is little more than the NFL's cheap minor-league system.
The real dopey thing is that Zeke Elliott can't go to the NFL after two years in college. He so obviously is ready to begin making money in his chosen profession, which is what college is supposed to be for.
Thousands of non athletes say it as well. Or about specific classes. Ask a business student at Marquette if they think they should take Theo classes or Phil classes. They think it is a waste of time.
The biggest problem I have with this thinking and those that are cheering this thinking on.....since when did 17 or 20 year olds become the Fountain of Wisdom?
I can rattle off so many people that felt the way he does that burned out and have nothing because they bailed early. Just as I can give you 100's of guys that stuck it out, despite wanting to quit the school stuff many times, but when athletics didn't work out, they had something to rely on and now have a viable life. The stories they tell are huge.
Look, I'll get accused of name dropping, but I don't give a fuk. Tuesday had lunch with Eli Manning and Rob Lowe (not the Rob Lowe on this site) for some satellite tv related marketing things. It's funny hearing them, both obviously had success young, came from good families, but they tell the stories of guys that came in thinking the world was their oyster and are now literally on skid row. The athletic life is measured in seasons, not decades, not a generation. Most of these guys play for 3.4 years. Most don't make a ton of money, and many that make decent coin have no idea how to manage it. Low had similar stories....lots of actors are on top of the world for a short run, then it's over.
Last week, had dinner with Omari Hardwick, he's the lead in Power. My wife and I were so humbled by this guy. He played safety at Georgia, tried out for the Chargers and was cut. He literally lived out of a car and on people's couches for several years. We must have spoken for 2 hours talking about family, hangers on, bad influences, etc....especially in the African American community, which is where his perspective came from. His brother was shot and killed, his father shot in a separate incident and survived. He was one of the few to go to college, but he went because of his athletic talents. Though he hit rough times after, it eventually opened doors with his degree to get into the acting business. Now the guy is making great money. He couldn't preach the education stuff enough and spoke about how many guys didn't care, didn't put the effort into it, and blew it off, because they don't get it. They can't think past that night or that year, let alone 10, 15, 30 years down the road.
Again, who made 18 to 20 year olds the arbiters of rational thought and stability? God pray for us all if that is the case.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 15, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
Maybe .... but highly unlikely.
JaMarcus' failure had much, much less to do with who drafted him (or where he was drafted) than his own laziness and personal issues.
Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Andre Ware, David Klingler, Akili Smith - even Ryan Leaf - all these busts got multiple opportunities in the NFL. Since he was cut by the Raiders, not one NFL team has taken a serious look at Russell. Doesn't that tell you all you really need to know here? Russell fell into a less-than-ideal situation, to be sure, but by far his biggest problem was himself.
It's implicit that every highly drafted QB (not named Andrew Luck) is going into a bad situation with immediate expectations of success. The good ones rise above that and drag the franchise with them. JaMarcus sunk the franchise even further.
His own immaturity and poor work ethic were big contributors (as you pointed out), but as I mentioned, being drafted in the middle rounds and being a back-up removes a lot of the other factors, and a team can work with him for a couple of years. A lazy, immature back-up QB isn't a huge problem. A lazy, immature starting QB will likely lose his spot within a few weeks.
At the end of the day, I don't think being a back-up for a couple of years is a magic bullet that will make every QB successful... but for a guy with a lot of physical tools and limited experience, it can be the ideal stepping stone.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
Tuesday had lunch with Eli Manning and Rob Lowe (not the Rob Lowe on this site) for some satellite tv related marketing things.
LIES! I refuse to believe Scoop Rob Lowe isn't St.Elmo's Rob Lowe.
Only a matter of time before we get the "MUScoop Rob Lowe" commercial. Given the nature of this place, he'll obviously have to be creepier than Super Creepy Rob Lowe and more socially awkward than Socially Awkward Rob Lowe.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
Look, I'll get accused of name dropping, but I don't give a fuk. Tuesday had lunch with Eli Manning and Rob Lowe (not the Rob Lowe on this site) for some satellite tv related marketing things.
Last week, had dinner with Omari Hardwick, he's the lead in Power.
Cool! Were they as impressed with you as you are?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
Look, I'll get accused of name dropping, but I don't give a fuk. Tuesday had lunch with Eli Manning and Rob Lowe (not the Rob Lowe on this site) for some satellite tv related marketing things.
Let me guess....you are overly paranoid Rob Lowe!!
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 15, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
To be fair to Jamarcus, if you put him on a good team and let him play back-up for 2+ seasons, his story might have been completely different.
high draft pick + huge salary + expectations + poor performance + immaturity = Flameout.
If you can remove the high pick, high salary, expectations, and give him some successes in mini-camps and preseason, you can probably overcome any maturity issues and develop his skills (both physical and mental).
I'd def. take a flyer on Jones if he shows he has some physical tools at the combine.
you missed " + purple drank" or "+ sizzurp"
https://twitter.com/PHIL_johnston10/status/555861300195389440
This should pretty much put to bed the intent behind what Cardale said in the OP.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ohio-state-qb-cardale-jones-is-staying-in-school-212952982.html
Jones, who is listed at 6-foot-5, 250 pounds, showed amazing arm strength during his three starts and remarked while meeting with the media during national championship week that he could throw the ball 80 to 85 yards. He also showed tremendous speed, agility and power for his size. He rushed for 81 yards against Alabama and Oregon and several of those yards came after initial contact.
While NFL scouts didn't have a lot of film on Jones, some pundits though he could have been a first-round pick.
"I thought it all through, but chances are slim," Jones said of actually being taking in the first round. "Football has been a stepping stone for my education. So being a first-round draft pick means nothing to me without my education."
Quote from: drewm88 on January 15, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
LIES! I refuse to believe Scoop Rob Lowe isn't St.Elmo's Rob Lowe.
Only a matter of time before we get the "MUScoop Rob Lowe" commercial. Given the nature of this place, he'll obviously have to be creepier than Super Creepy Rob Lowe and more socially awkward than Socially Awkward Rob Lowe.
LOL
There are 3 new ones coming out that he talked about. I'm not a huge fan of the current ones, some are ok....but one of the ones coming out is really really funny.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Cool! Were they as impressed with you as you are?
I'm just an average guy that has been lucky. You can always put me on ignore.
I shared their words of wisdom, which quite frankly I find a lot more useful at their age and experience than what some of these scholars say at age 18 to 22 that thing sports is all there is. Choose to believe what you wish, but I'll keep sharing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 15, 2015, 04:38:45 PM
Let me guess....you are overly paranoid Rob Lowe!!
I'm "following teenagers on twitter Rob Lowe"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
Look, I'll get accused of name dropping, but I don't give a fuk. Tuesday had lunch with Eli Manning and Rob Lowe
Christ, what an A-- H---
Quote from: Mutaman on January 16, 2015, 06:53:38 PM
Christ, what an A-- H---
Ahhhh. LOL. I might cry myself to sleep tonight.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2015, 12:45:11 AM
Ahhhh. LOL. I might cry myself to sleep tonight.
From what your wife tells me, it wouldn't be the first time.
Quote from: Mutaman on January 17, 2015, 12:53:26 AM
From what your wife tells me, it wouldn't be the first time.
Hahahahahahhahaha look out everyone internet tough guy on the board!!!!
Quote from: Mutaman on January 17, 2015, 12:53:26 AM
From what your wife tells me, it wouldn't be the first time.
ok