I read this in ESPN's Daily Word
http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/dailyword141229/daily-word (http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/dailyword141229/daily-word):
"Incarnate Word is a small (just over 4,000 enrollment), private Catholic school in Texas that just transitioned into Division I athletics this season. In its first official year at this level, Ken Burmeister's program has accrued road wins over Princeton, Nebraska and the same UMKC squad that beat Missouri. The Cardinals are ranked ahead of Virginia Tech in Ken Pomeroy's ratings. Their last two recruiting classes featured one two-star player and a bunch of unheralded juco players and freshmen. This is surprising, even though the schools that they defeated aren't among the elite."
I'm not necessarily one to take a stab at our ex-coaches, but this just cracks me up.
you have done it now, the Pomeroy junkies will be all over you...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 29, 2014, 10:06:43 PM
you have done it now, the Pomeroy junkies will be all over you...
As long as the Pomeroy junkies are not Buzz apologists, I think I'll be okay.
Anyway, it's not like it's a huge surprise. Folks knew he went to the ACC cellar, and knew he needed time to (re?)build the program. I just find it interesting to see a direct comparison between his current program and one that is easy for the country to smirk about.
Then again, the Daily Word notes that "Incarnate Word is a small (just over 4,000 enrollment), private Catholic school in Texas..." Maybe that will be his step up in a couple of years. He's from Texas, and he has Catholic school experience. Hmm.
It's not just a small school in texas, It's pretty centrally located in San Antonio, if an urban location is considered a plus for a school.
Quote from: mug644 on December 29, 2014, 09:20:58 PM
I read this in ESPN's Daily Word
http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/dailyword141229/daily-word (http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/dailyword141229/daily-word):
"Incarnate Word is a small (just over 4,000 enrollment), private Catholic school in Texas that just transitioned into Division I athletics this season.
What I really don't understand is how a small school like Incarnate Word can start up a DI football program just like that and Marquette can't even after 40 some years. I know they are in Texas but it can't be that much cheaper to start a football team there. No way it costs $100 million like Marquette higher ups have been saying, this school only has an endowment of $69 million total.
Quote from: kryza on December 30, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
What I really don't understand is how a small school like Incarnate Word can start up a DI football program just like that and Marquette can't even after 40 some years. I know they are in Texas but it can't be that much cheaper to start a football team there. No way it costs $100 million like Marquette higher ups have been saying, this school only has an endowment of $69 million total.
Incarnate Word does have access to the deep pockets of Tom Benson (net worth $1.5B), owner of the New Orleans Saints. He is an ardent supporter of the University especially its athletics. An endowment of $69M doesn't limit you when you have him backing the University.
Incarnate Word is one more example that teams transitioning from D2 to D1 aren't automatically bad teams. These are usually going to be the best the division has to offer, which is why teams like them and Omaha can be competitive quickly.
Assuming they are bad automatically is like assuming Weber State sucks because they play in the Big Sky, assuming Stephen F Austin sucks because they are in the Southland, or assuming Texas State sucks because they are in the SWAC. In the right circumstance with a good matchup these teams could pull upsets because they are decent programs.
Quote from: forgetful on December 30, 2014, 12:33:35 AM
Incarnate Word does have access to the deep pockets of Tom Benson (net worth $1.5B), owner of the New Orleans Saints. He is an ardent supporter of the University especially its athletics. An endowment of $69M doesn't limit you when you have him backing the University.
+1
I get really tired of the whining about no football at MU. It is the worst of sports fan opinions ... Someone telling another person how to spend a ton of money.
If kryza wants MU to have a football team, he should pay for it.
And, if MU did pick up football, what would we have? Below is your
optimistic goal after 10 to 15 years ... We would be as good as Villanova and/or Georgetown. Yes, they both have teams!
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/46/georgetown-hoyas
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/222/villanova-wildcats
Remember the big East broke up because of football. And many here have said we should never have schools that have football in the Big East. Well we do have schools that have football in the Big East! Yet I don't hear anybody demanding we kick them out because eventually they're going to become football powers and break up the Big East all over again.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2014, 06:35:02 AM
Incarnate Word is one more example that teams transitioning from D2 to D1 aren't automatically bad teams. These are usually going to be the best the division has to offer, which is why teams like them and Omaha can be competitive quickly.
Assuming they are bad automatically is like assuming Weber State sucks because they play in the Big Sky, assuming Stephen F Austin sucks because they are in the Southland, or assuming Texas State sucks because they are in the SWAC. In the right circumstance with a good matchup these teams could pull upsets because they are decent programs.
What's your definition of "suck"? UN-O is 225 in KenPom, NJIT is 257. DePaul is the worst team in a major conference, and they are 206. DePaul sucks. So do those two teams. UN-O and NJIT just suck slightly worse than expected to start the year. But they are bad D1 teams regardless.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2014, 06:35:02 AM
Incarnate Word is one more example that teams transitioning from D2 to D1 aren't automatically bad teams. These are usually going to be the best the division has to offer, which is why teams like them and Omaha can be competitive quickly.
Assuming they are bad automatically is like assuming Weber State sucks because they play in the Big Sky, assuming Stephen F Austin sucks because they are in the Southland, or assuming Texas State sucks because they are in the SWAC. In the right circumstance with a good matchup these teams could pull upsets because they are decent programs.
This is well written for a supporter of a program that suffered a terrible loss to a transitional Division I program during this campaign.
Fwiw. Never heard of this school until this post. But was in San Antonio for vacation a couple days ago and drove by Campus. A lot going there on campus. Very close to Trinity which I always heard of as a very good liberal arts school.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 30, 2014, 07:12:36 AM
+1
I get really tired of the whining about no football at MU. It is the worst of sports fan opinions ... Someone telling another person how to spend a ton of money.
If kryza wants MU to have a football team, he should pay for it.
And, if MU did pick up football, what would we have? Below is your optimistic goal after 10 to 15 years ... We would be as good as Villanova and/or Georgetown. Yes, they both have teams!
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/46/georgetown-hoyas
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/222/villanova-wildcats
Remember the big East broke up because of football. And many here have said we should never have schools that have football in the Big East. Well we do have schools that have football in the Big East! Yet I don't hear anybody demanding we kick them out because eventually they're going to become football powers and break up the Big East all over again.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, especially about the money part, but mentioning Villanova goes against your argument. Being as good as Villanova would be outstanding for Marquette. Villanova has an excellent FCS team and tradition. They went 11-3 this year, and have won the FCS National Championship in years past. I think most MU fans would be more than satisfied with such an FCS team. It would be very exciting and fun.
I think the Big East should have no problem with members sponsoring FCS football, and clearly it doesn't, since several members do (you can add Butler to the list, BTW). I would love it if Marquette sponsored FCS football. However, I recognize the financial reasons why it probably won't happen. Its not a huge deal, MU will always be a basketball school either way.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 30, 2014, 10:17:12 AM
I don't necessarily disagree with you, especially about the money part, but mentioning Villanova goes against your argument. Being as good as Villanova would be outstanding for Marquette. Villanova has an excellent FCS team and tradition. They went 11-3 this year, and have won the FCS National Championship in years past. I think most MU fans would be more than satisfied with such an FCS team. It would be very exciting and fun.
I think the Big East should have no problem with members sponsoring FCS football, and clearly it doesn't, since several members do (you can add Butler to the list, BTW). I would love it if Marquette sponsored FCS football. However, I recognize the financial reasons why it probably won't happen. Its not a huge deal, MU will always be a basketball school either way.
I think most that whine for MU football really want FBS football and want a team good enough to beat Bucky. This is completely unrealistic. A good FCS team is nice but how much money does that take in? Is it worth the cost?
How would you feel if Nova announces they want to jump to FBS in football? Does that risk blowing up the new BE?
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 30, 2014, 10:21:39 AM
I think most that whine for MU football really want FBS football and want a team good enough to beat Bucky. This is completely unrealistic. A good FCS team is nice but how much money does that take in? Is it worth the cost?
How would you feel if Nova announces they want to jump to FBS in football? Does that risk blowing up the new BE?
I don't think Nova has any intention of moving to FBS football, because if they did, they would have accepted to join the Big East as a FBS member when they were invited to do so in 2010.
But yes, if they did, it would risk blowing up the new BE. I just don't see it happening.
If MU had FCS football, we would have the opportunity to play Bucky, although we would certainly get destroyed (at least with how good UW has been the last couple decades), and I don't think that would be very much fun. But maybe we could establish a rivalry with a lesser FBS opponent for an annual game (Illinois? Northwestern? Northern Illinois? Purdue? Indiana?). Villanova played Syracuse in football this past year, and lost to them by a point in 2OT.
I agree with you about the money. I just disagree that having an FCS team wouldn't necessarily be worth it. It certainly would not bring in anywhere near as much money as an FBS program, but the costs would be much lower as well. Its apples and oranges. I admit I have no idea what they would need to bring in to break even, but obviously plenty of schools think it is a worthwhile proposition.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 30, 2014, 10:21:39 AM
I think most that whine for MU football really want FBS football and want a team good enough to beat Bucky. This is completely unrealistic. A good FCS team is nice but how much money does that take in? Is it worth the cost?
How would you feel if Nova announces they want to jump to FBS in football? Does that risk blowing up the new BE?
I would guess that an FCS team would cost the University $10-15M up front and then expect an annual loss of around $5-10M per year.
Well this got off topic quickly. I like Pomeroy's system. It may have faults, but it's fun to play with numbers.
Top 25 today
KENPOM Predictions vs. Vegas Lines & Over/Under:
Virginia 77 Davison 59 vs. UV -16.5 & O/U 132
UL 76 LBS 59 vs. UL -19 & O/U 136.5
Maryland 70 Mich 66 vs. Maryland -6 & O/U 134.5
Kansas 71 Kent St 58 vs. KU -14.5 & O/U 132
ND 75 Harford 59 and I can't find line on game for some reason
UNC 82 W&M 65 vs. UNC -18 and O/U 145
Baylor 71 Norfolk ST 56 can't find line
To discount KenPom is pretty silly, considering Vegas obviously uses similar principles to predict games. Every KenPom is within a possession of the Vegas line. Aside from the Virginia game, every over/under is within a possession. Maybe a transfer, officials, or some other factor sways the spread a point or two. It predicts MU finishes 6-12, which looked to be the case until Fischer showed up. My guess is it doesn't adjust for new players, Fischer has a crazy high ORating at 146. The leader from a major conference is Okafor at 120.