http://www.wsj.com/articles/kentucky-basketballs-great-experiment-the-platoon-system-1419627691?KEYWORDS=kentucky
All 10 of its rotation players were averaging between 14 and 24 minutes a game until one, Alex Poythress, got hurt this month. Only nine other teams since 1996 had that many men playing at between 10 and 25 minutes a game, according to Stats LLC.
Kentucky, though, is stacked with ridiculous talent, including nine high-school All-Americans, which is as many or more than any NBA team.
The Wildcats' adjusted defensive efficiency is 82.7 points allowed per 100 possessions, according to the statistical site kenpom.com. No school since at least 2002 has given up fewer than 85 points per 100 possessions.
Another interesting stat. Kentucky has had four games that they had more blocks shots than the other team had two point field goals.
On the season, Kentucky has 107 blocks (8.2 per game) while their opponents have made 149 two point field goals (11.5 per game).
Thus for every 4 two point field goals the opponent makes, Kentucky has nearly 3 blocked shots.
It is still the Kentucky NBADL and it's making a mockery of Men's College BBall
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 28, 2014, 10:13:47 AM
Another interesting stat. Kentucky has had four games that they had more blocks shots than the other team had two point field goals.
On the season, Kentucky has 107 blocks (8.2 per game) while their opponents have made 149 two point field goals (11.5 per game).
Thus for every 4 two point field goals the opponent makes, Kentucky has nearly 3 blocked shots.
Kentucky's front line goes 7-0 (Cauley-Stein), 6-10 (Towns), 6-11 (Lyles) ... some NBA teams don't have this kind of height.
Good point AlienWarrior. I even wonder how many of those All-Americans (Ha!) attend class or does their
classwork. If you want to read about the shrewdness or breaking rules and some NCAA rules for two
different schools read the book called "The System".
curious as to how kentucky attracts the talent they do. why are they the basketball nirvana? i understand the basketball legacy and nba potential/spotlight and all, but come on...??? calipari is good-fine, but if you bring it, they will come. there are many other good coaches and programs out there. what i mean is, if you are good, good things will happen regardless of where you go. just ask adam morrison ?-( something just doesn't smell right here. you would think that as a player, there is only so many balls to pass around-do ya hear me diamond?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
curious as to how kentucky attracts the talent they do. why are they the basketball nirvana? i understand the basketball legacy and nba potential/spotlight and all, but come on...??? calipari is good-fine, but if you bring it, they will come. there are many other good coaches and programs out there. what i mean is, if you are good, good things will happen regardless of where you go. just ask adam morrison ?-( something just doesn't smell right here. you would think that as a player, there is only so many balls to pass around-do ya hear me diamond?
It is relatively simple: as a high school senior, you know that if you go to Kentucky you are going to be a first round draft pick at some point. Even the guys on their bench get drafted.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
curious as to how kentucky attracts the talent they do. why are they the basketball nirvana? i understand the basketball legacy and nba potential/spotlight and all, but come on...??? calipari is good-fine, but if you bring it, they will come. there are many other good coaches and programs out there. what i mean is, if you are good, good things will happen regardless of where you go. just ask adam morrison ?-( something just doesn't smell right here. you would think that as a player, there is only so many balls to pass around-do ya hear me diamond?
It's really simple. They have the best facilities, the best support services, pretty much guarenteed to win the conference every year, make the tourney every year, and be a contender every year, their players don't have to go to class, and they will most likely get drafted after a year.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2014, 10:03:58 AM
The Wildcats' adjusted defensive efficiency is 82.7 points allowed per 100 possessions, according to the statistical site kenpom.com.
The problem here is they are inferring that's a measurement of what Kentucky has done. It's not. It's a predictive measure.
Canceling my WSJ subscription now.
thanks for the input ellenson and tamu-those all make sense, but as a player, wouldn't you want to play significant time, possibly make a difference and get noticed than be good by association. i understand your chances of being in for the ride, but...are kentucky's facilities that much better than many of the other top schools? i believe we have some nice stuff too, except adolf rupp isn't all over it
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 28, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
Good point AlienWarrior. I even wonder how many of those All-Americans (Ha!) attend class or does their
classwork. If you want to read about the shrewdness or breaking rules and some NCAA rules for two
different schools read the book called "The System".
If the NBA got rid of its stupid rule barring kids from entering the draft after high school - and if the NCAA started treating basketball players like it does hockey players - this wouldn't be happening.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2014, 02:11:49 PM
thanks for the input ellenson and tamu-those all make sense, but as a player, wouldn't you want to play significant time, possibly make a difference and get noticed than be good by association. i understand your chances of being in for the ride, but...are kentucky's facilities that much better than many of the other top schools? i believe we have some nice stuff too, except adolf rupp isn't all over it
They have the best facilities I have ever seen. Only having to go to study halls and PE classes also speaks to a lot of high school seniors.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 28, 2014, 02:17:09 PM
They have the best facilities I have ever seen. Only having to go to study halls and PE classes also speaks to a lot of high school seniors.
ok, thanks, now we're getting somewhere. wonder if they get the reggie bush and derrick rose treatment too?? say it ain't so cuz that would be against the rules then I have a toothache?
Let's talk about how Kentucky football SUCKS!
Or about how the other SEC basketball teams blow this season so far.
It's the SEC! SEC!
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on December 28, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
It is relatively simple: as a high school senior, you know that if you go to Kentucky you are going to be a first round draft pick at some point. Even the guys on their bench get drafted.
This
Calipari has managed to turn Kentucky into a pre-draft, draft. If you sign with Kentucky and start as Freshman it is another way of saying you are a one and done lottery pick. I wonder if NBA teams favor freshman from Kentucky because they are from Kentucky.
Is the same true for Kansas, Duke and others? Yes, but they have not managed the get the reputation that Calipari/Kentucky has.
The best bball players of 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington.....Just saying.
Quote from: jsheim on December 28, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
The best bball players of 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington.....Just saying.
No.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
No.
Well Yes,
Giannis turned 20 a couple of weeks ago, Jabari 19 - March Birthday.
Jabari better than Cauley-Stein last year. Better now. I think Giannis better than him too...both proving it in NBA.
Cauley-Stein their best and turned 21 past summer.
Kentucky has numbers when it comes to good young players - give you that.
I would rather Bucks have those two than any two from Wildcats. Sure my opinion.
Quote from: jsheim on December 28, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Well Yes,
Giannis turned 20 a couple of weeks ago, Jabari 19 - March Birthday.
Jabari better than Cauley-Stein last year. Better now. I think Giannis better than him too...both proving it in NBA.
Cauley-Stein their best and turned 21 past summer.
Kentucky has numbers when it comes to good young players - give you that.
I would rather Bucks have those two than any two from Wildcats. Sure my opinion.
Well, Jabari is out with a torn ACL right now, leaving a total of 1 player healthy aged 18-20 on the Bucks. So that leaves you Lee, Booker, Harrison, Harrison, Ullis, Towns, Lyles, and Johnson going up against Giannis. I think I'd take those 8 over the Bucks 1, or even if you do want to take Jabari I'd take those 8 over the Bucks 2. Heck, add in Marquette's Dawson, Wilson, Cohen, and Johnson and I'll still take Kentucky's 8 to Milwaukee's 6. And add in any UWM may have and I'll still go with Kentucky's group.
Sure Jabari is out but he didn't die or go into the Priesthood. When Lebron was out hurt did he cease being Lebron? Ridiculous.
I'm not adding the Marquette players...if we're doing 8 vs 1 vs 6....Then I'm adding all the Derby Jockeys and the UK girls team....and on and on........ridiculous.
I stand by my statement:
The best bball players of 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington. Jabari and Giannis. Simple and not Ridiculous.
Quote from: jsheim on December 28, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
Sure Jabari is out but he didn't die or go into the Priesthood. When Lebron was out hurt did he cease being Lebron? Ridiculous.
I'm not adding the Marquette players...if we're doing 8 vs 1 vs 6....Then I'm adding all the Derby Jockeys and the UK girls team....and on and on........ridiculous.
I stand by my statement:
The best bball players of 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington. Jabari and Giannis. Simple and not Ridiculous.
You said "the best bball players 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington." I'm saying the best 18-20 year olds are in Lexington and not Milwaukee. If you can only include select 18-20 year olds then sure, Milwaukee has 2 better than Kentucky's 2 best. But Kentucky doesn't have only 2 18-20 year olds and their group of 18-20 year old is better than Milwaukee's.
It certainly would be ridiculous to make a statement that Milwaukee has the best 18-20 year old basketball players, but then cut out 6 of Kentucky's 8 18-20 year old basketball players.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2014, 02:11:49 PM
thanks for the input ellenson and tamu-those all make sense, but as a player, wouldn't you want to play significant time, possibly make a difference and get noticed than be good by association. i understand your chances of being in for the ride, but...are kentucky's facilities that much better than many of the other top schools? i believe we have some nice stuff too, except adolf rupp isn't all over it
If you are skilled, you will always get noticed at Kentucky. Especially by NBA scouts.
And the best way for anyone to improve is to play against the best. If I was a top player, I wouldn't even consider anywhere else.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
You said "the best bball players 18-20yrs you can see in Milwaukee not Lexington." I'm saying the best 18-20 year olds are in Lexington and not Milwaukee. If you can only include select 18-20 year olds then sure, Milwaukee has 2 better than Kentucky's 2 best. But Kentucky doesn't have only 2 18-20 year olds and their group of 18-20 year old is better than Milwaukee's.
It certainly would be ridiculous to make a statement that Milwaukee has the best 18-20 year old basketball players, but then cut out 6 of Kentucky's 8 18-20 year old basketball players.
I understand what you're saying ww ...no problem. Thanks.
John Wall mentioned his taking a Home Economics class prepared him for living on his own the following season. (Wall of the 3.5 collegiate gpa)
In a sense it's probably more beneficial for an 18-19 year old that will be in the league next season than a class on the History of Western Civilization is.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2014, 10:35:43 AM
Kentucky's front line goes 7-0 (Cauley-Stein), 6-10 (Towns), 6-11 (Lyles) ... some NBA teams don't have this kind of height.
Just wait till they have to take on Fischer, Ellenson and Heldt!
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2014, 10:35:43 AM
Kentucky's front line goes 7-0 (Cauley-Stein), 6-10 (Towns), 6-11 (Lyles) ... some NBA teams don't have this kind of height.
Some? Their starting five would be the tallest in the NBA.
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentuckys-current-starting-five-would-be-the-tallest-in-the-nba/
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
Calipari has managed to turn Kentucky into a pre-draft, draft. If you sign with Kentucky and start as Freshman it is another way of saying you are a one and done lottery pick. I wonder if NBA teams favor freshman from Kentucky because they are from Kentucky.
Is the same true for Kansas, Duke and others? Yes, but they have not managed the get the reputation that Calipari/Kentucky has.
I think you would have a hard time finding empirical evidence to support the notion that going to Kentucky significantly enhances a player's NBA prospects. Most if not all of the players that have gone through Kentucky under Calipari and become lottery picks were highly rated players out of high school and most likely would have been equally attractive to NBA scouts had they attended any other school. In fact, if you look at UK's vaunted 2013 class when they had 5 of the top 9 players in the country according to ESPN ratings, only 2 were drafted in 2014 (Julius Randle #7 and James Young #17) in a draft class that included 9 one and dones in the first 18 picks. It may be the case that UK has more one and done lottery picks than any other program, but I doubt the correlation is strong enough to make the case that UK is a major factor in any given player's trajectory.
Quote from: frozena pizza on December 29, 2014, 01:26:37 PM
I think you would have a hard time finding empirical evidence to support the notion that going to Kentucky significantly enhances a player's NBA prospects. Most if not all of the players that have gone through Kentucky under Calipari and become lottery picks were highly rated players out of high school and most likely would have been equally attractive to NBA scouts had they attended any other school. In fact, if you look at UK's vaunted 2013 class when they had 5 of the top 9 players in the country according to ESPN ratings, only 2 were drafted in 2014 (Julius Randle #7 and James Young #17) in a draft class that included 9 one and dones in the first 18 picks. It may be the case that UK has more one and done lottery picks than any other program, but I doubt the correlation is strong enough to make the case that UK is a major factor in any given player's trajectory.
Agreed, but perception is reality in recruiting. If a player is convinced UK gives him a better chance to get to the league sooner, it gives them an edge.
Another interesting stat about Kentucky:
Ellensons on Kentucky: 0
Ellensons on Marquette: 2
And we might even steal Drake from them.
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
Just wait till they have to take on Fischer, Ellenson and Heldt!
Seriously, you see all three on the floor at the same time?
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 29, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Seriously, you see all three on the floor at the same time?
Dude, feel the teal...unless this is also teal in which case, well played!
Just got back from the TAMU-Kentucky game. Kentucky did not impress me. We are not a good team to start with, but we also had our best player, Jalen Jones, out for the game. We went 2-15 from three and 16-30 from the line. Our starting center picked up his fourth foul with 9:30 left in the second half. Despite all that, Kentucky still needed double overtime to win. They were lucky that the Booker kid made his first four three pointers or the game would have ended in regulation.
They are a fantastic defensive team. But they will lose some time this season.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
Just got back from the TAMU-Kentucky game. Kentucky did not impress me. We are not a good team to start with, but we also had our best player, Jalen Jones, out for the game. We went 2-15 from three and 16-30 from the line. Our starting center picked up his fourth foul with 9:30 left in the second half. Despite all that, Kentucky still needed double overtime to win. They were lucky that the Booker kid made his first four three pointers or the game would have ended in regulation.
They are a fantastic defensive team. But they will lose some time this season.
If you guys could have hit one more ft in the first OT. Plenty of chances.
Sounded like there was a lot of UK fans there too.
Can someone please explain how Kentucky has 16 players on their team? Every year it seams they have 15-16 players, the NCAA scholarship limit is 13, how do they seam to always have 3-4 extra players?
Quote from: denverMU on January 10, 2015, 09:42:06 PM
Can someone please explain how Kentucky has 16 players on their team? Every year it seams they have 15-16 players, the NCAA scholarship limit is 13, how do they seam to always have 3-4 extra players?
Is this a serious question?
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 10, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
If you guys could have hit one more ft in the first OT. Plenty of chances.
Sounded like there was a lot of UK fans there too.
UK travels as well as any team I've ever seen. I was at Vanderbilt in '93 (Vandy won the SEC that year), and they sold out most every game. Despite the fact that season ticket holders and Vandy students had most of the tix, the gym was at least 50% blue for the UK game. Unreal.
Fortunately, Vandy still won. :)