December 29-30-31, Concordia University. Heldt, Ellenson, Stone, all going to play. I expect scouting reports from some of the Milwaukee based scoopers. Get out there and represent.
I can't find any info on admission cost. do you have to purchase tickets ahead of time? Buy at the door? Is capacity an issue? I wouldnt want to drive that far to find out I can't get in.
Also, the only game I can find on the TWC is the Neenah Germantown game. Is that the only game televised?
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 27, 2014, 10:04:35 AM
I can't find any info on admission cost. do you have to purchase tickets ahead of time? Buy at the door? Is capacity an issue? I wouldnt want to drive that far to find out I can't get in.
Also, the only game I can find on the TWC is the Neenah Germantown game. Is that the only game televised?
Both the Rice Lake and Neenah games are on TWC ( Channels 32/332/1332 0on Tuesday night. Also will be replays in the following days.
Capacity is 2,000 and parking is free.
www.wbby.com/news_article/show/460467?referrer_id+6
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Quote from: MUEng92 on December 27, 2014, 10:04:35 AM
I can't find any info on admission cost. do you have to purchase tickets ahead of time? Buy at the door? Is capacity an issue? I wouldnt want to drive that far to find out I can't get in.
Also, the only game I can find on the TWC is the Neenah Germantown game. Is that the only game televised?
$10
Thanks. I should have kept scrolling past the Others to Watch.
Unless there's a blizzard or you have young children, don't stay at home and watch the game on TWC.
Go to the gym and watch these kids play HS ball so you have a reference to their growth when they eventually graduate from MU.
Heading over there soon. Is there a campus map where the gym is located?
The gymnasium is on the west end of campus or closest to I-43.
Is it cash only I assume? If so, is there an ATM at the event?
Cash only. It's packed here. Ton of MU gear everywhere.
Do they accept Traveler's Checks? Visiting the in laws and didn't want to be flush with cash in the MKE!
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 30, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
Heading over there soon. Is there a campus map where the gym is located?
Ya went too far east if you hit the lake, hey?
Toss West running a box and 1 am doubling Henry every time he gets the ball. Struggling early only 4 points in the first quarter.
Wally and Carawell are here. Bo was here earlier watching Pritzl.
Rice Lake vs Wauwatosa West & Neenah vs Germantown is on TWC Sportschannel 32/1332
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 30, 2014, 06:37:35 PM
Wally and Carawell are here. Bo was here earlier watching Pritzl.
At game, Henry's got prototypical size for 4. Couldn't have chiseled him better. Seeks contact, does the pushing around on this level. Good form on shot, unreal handle for his size, effortless, with time o game can be something else.
Rice Lake lost 43-42. Henry had 24 and 5 blocks if I counted right.
Flat performance. ..but playing to level. I see why they play AAU.
Quote from: jsheim on December 30, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
Flat performance. ..but playing to level. I see why they play AAU.
Yea, looked uninterested for the first 3 quarters. Really asserted his will in the 4th and single-handily fouled out a guy.
Heldt tall and thick...like he could fill out to be a serious tight end. Better competition allows him to show his tough rebounding. Nice drive to the hoop...hit the ground twice. But germantown the better team.
Was Henry going against tall competition?
Just spotted a Tom Crean look a like.
Heldt is tall as advertised, not as fast twitch explosive as Henry. Can get pushed around sometimes. Good touch. Neenah doesn't hit him in high post or 3 land. Unimpressed with the Neenah coaches "creativity" in getting Heldt the ball.
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
Just spotted a Tom Crean look a like.
Heldt is tall as advertised, not as fast twitch explosive as Henry. Can get pushed around sometimes. Good touch. Neenah doesn't hit him in high post or 3 land. Unimpressed with the Neenah coaches "creativity" in getting Heldt the ball.
Saw the same dude as you
Did heldt score in his own basket there in the third....was floor level on other side.
Ps ...just saw Rob Lowe .......no.....correction.......it was harry Rob Lowe.
Leaving...we'll be fine next year.
Note, 24 for germantown has some game...if hes not a senior, could do something.
Quote from: jsheim on December 30, 2014, 08:40:21 PM
Leaving...we'll be fine next year.
Note, 24 for germantown has some game...if hes not a senior, could do something.
2016
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Final from WBY Shootout, Germantown 67, Neenah 63. Matt Heldt with 28 for Neenah. Juwan McCloud with 16 for Germantown.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Henry Ellenson finished with 24 points for Rice Lake in its 43-42 loss to Tosa West. Alou Dillon had 17 and Andre Carroll 14 for the Trojans
Steve Wojciechowski
@steve_wojo
Happy to be able to watch @HENBA13 & @HeldtMatt online in between film sessions tonight. #mubb #8Strong
Don't see Phillip Flory as a high major kid. Not athletic enough or good enough shooter.
Who's Flory playing with again?
I was pleasantly surprised at Heldt's post play. I thought he would float around on the perimeter more but he didn't. He's got a lot of size to him.
Hank is as good as advertised. Hit some really tough shots and is smooth with the ball. When he has anybody who has a clue how to play basketball next to him he'll be fun to watch.
Wasn't impressed with individual players on Germantown. 24 could do something...on UW Whitewater.
Neenah's point guard was the best high school player on the floor. Heldt obviously the best college prospect. Neenah's point guard unfortunately is too short to do anything at the next level, but that guy has some court awareness and is 3 steps ahead of everyone else on the court. Crafty kid.
Oshkosh North
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
Don't see Phillip Flory as a high major kid. Not athletic enough or good enough shooter.
Have agreed with this assessment for a long time. For his sake I am happy he decommitted. Hope his team does well the next few years and he finds a good home at low major where he can have some fun.
Thought Matt looked about to 6-9 and Henry looked closer to 6-11.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Matt Heldt went over 1,000 points tonight in Neenah's 67-63 loss to Germantown. He finished with 28 points and 12 rebounds.
Quote from: NBBomber on December 30, 2014, 10:15:27 PM
Thought Matt looked about to 6-9 and Henry looked closer to 6-11.
Looked about the same size and length to me. Heldt a little wider. 6-10 at least.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 30, 2014, 09:42:37 PM
Have agreed with this assessment for a long time. For his sake I am happy he decommitted. Hope his team does well the next few years and he finds a good home at low major where he can have some fun.
Flory decommitted? When was that announced? I don't find anything about him decommitting from MU.
There was a quick blurb this fall. Mark Miller tweeted it. Best for all. Seemed premature when he committed.
Quote from: muhoops1 on December 30, 2014, 11:16:31 PM
There was a quick blurb this fall. Mark Miller tweeted it. Best for all. Seemed premature when he committed.
OK, found it now. He seemed so strong on MU and with his dad's connections with the program, seems pretty obvious that Wojo wasn't real high on him and he knew it. We'll see how things turn out and whether Wojo is right or not (that's if Wojo's moved on completely from him). It looks like Bo and UW are interested.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on December 30, 2014, 09:10:11 PM
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Final from WBY Shootout, Germantown 67, Neenah 63. Matt Heldt with 28 for Neenah. Juwan McCloud with 16 for Germantown.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Henry Ellenson finished with 24 points for Rice Lake in its 43-42 loss to Tosa West. Alou Dillon had 17 and Andre Carroll 14 for the Trojans
Steve Wojciechowski
@steve_wojo
Happy to be able to watch @HENBA13 & @HeldtMatt online in between film sessions tonight. #mubb #8Strong
The both .....lost? Both their teams lost? Not good.
And where could you have watched this 'online?'
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on December 27, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
Unless there's a blizzard or you have young children, don't stay at home and watch the game on TWC.
Go to the gym and watch these kids play HS ball so you have a reference to their growth when they eventually graduate from MU.
They should have held this at the Al McGuire Center...as in years past.
I have no interest or desire travelling way out to Mequon to see this.
Yeah, way out in Mequon. Geez, it's 15 minutes from MU!
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on December 31, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
The both .....lost? Both their teams lost? Not good.
And where could you have watched this 'online?'
Besides Ellenson Rice Lake isn't good. Neenah just ran into the juggernaut that is Germantown. Two best teams in Division 1.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on December 31, 2014, 12:23:32 AM
They should have held this at the Al McGuire Center...as in years past.
I believe they can't anymore due to WIAA rules.
Quote from: Litehouse on December 31, 2014, 05:48:29 AM
I believe they can't anymore due to WIAA rules.
Actually I think it's an NCAA rule. An "unfair" recruiting advantage for MU to host a HS invitational on campus.
You are correct.
Poor choice for a venue. Concordia is on the far outskirts of the Milwaukee area and is not convenient to get to. There was inadequate parking space for the large crowd and the gymnasium is no better than a mediocre high school gym. The crowd was so large there were people having to stand, or were sitting in the isles designated for accessing bleachers. There was no getting up and using the restroom, or hitting the snack bar. You would lose your seat. It was not a good place to bring your elderly father. Gotta believe there are better venues available. It was Christmas break for God's sake, Shouldn't they have had their pick of local HS or other facilities?
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Looked about the same size and length to me. Heldt a little wider. 6-10 at least.
I am not sure what you were watching. Heldt is a short 6'10" and not as near as strong as Ellenson, who is a tall 6'10". Ellenson played the whole game fighting double teams, while Heldt left the game several times. One time to have his foot re bandaged. Maybe Heldt had a virus or something, but he definitely got winded. I also thought Heldt was quicker than Ellenson and had better hands. Heldt was also more likely to get a rebound out of his area. Heldt's team fell behind each time he went to the bench. Basically Heldt's team lost, because Heldt tip in a rebound for the other team in the third or fourth quarter. Oddly, Ellenson's team seemed to tip in the winning shot for the other team. I was sitting at the far end of the court, when two Rice Lake players were battling for the rebound on the last shot and the ball flew up into the basket. I could not tell, if it just bounced off their hands or if the opponent's player actually got a hand on it. Then I get home and see that Florida St. beat Florida, when a Florida player tip in FL St's last shot. It look exactly like the Held'st tip in. It was impressive how Ellenson could handle the ball, but I kept thinking about how Gardner could handle the ball in the pro am, but he could not do it in a college game. Generally, bigmen should not be bringing the ball up court. This was the first time I saw Ellenson play. It will be interesting to see how well he does in college. I do not see him as a one and done, but I have only seen him one time and his shot was not falling. This is the second time I have seen Heldt. I came away with the conclusion both times that he is not big enough to be a college center. Needs to work on being a power forward. Heldt's team often threw inbounds passes to him and lobs to get him the ball inside. He was always able to handle the passes, which led me to the conclusion he had great hands. Ellenson also has very good hands, but I felt Heldt's were better. Heldt made all of his free throws. Ellenson shot more free throws, but missed 4 or 5 of them. I could see Ellenson (SF), Fischer(C) and Heldt(PF) on the floor at the same time in the right situations.
Quote from: Lazars Headband on December 31, 2014, 06:42:13 AM
Actually I think it's an NCAA rule. An "unfair" recruiting advantage for MU to host a HS invitational on campus.
I always thought the State Tournament being at the Kohl Center was an unfair recruiting advantage.
Quote from: NBBomber on December 31, 2014, 08:59:08 AM
Poor choice for a venue. Concordia is on the far outskirts of the Milwaukee area and is not convenient to get to. There was inadequate parking space for the large crowd and the gymnasium is no better than a mediocre high school gym. The crowd was so large there were people having to stand, or were sitting in the isles designated for accessing bleachers. There was no getting up and using the restroom, or hitting the snack bar. You would lose your seat. It was not a good place to bring your elderly father. Gotta believe there are better venues available. It was Christmas break for God's sake, Shouldn't they have had their pick of local HS or other facilities?
I bet they didn't want to have it at a high school since it could give an unfair advantage. The Mecca would have been a cool place for it but that is probably considered a UWM venue. I wouldn't be surprised if there was push back from the northern/western schools not to have it in Milwaukee.
Quote from: bilsu on December 31, 2014, 09:07:32 AM
I always thought the State Tournament being at the Kohl Center was an unfair recruiting advantage.
I think it definitely is an advantage. Kids dream of making it to State and playing on the Badgers court. There is quite a bit of synergy in the state between the dual dream of making it to state and being a Badger, at least now that the Badgers have been good at basketball for the past 15 years.
Think there is some kind of NCAA technicality that allows WIAA playoff games to be played on college campuses. The Al has hosted sectionals in the past.
Quote from: bilsu on December 31, 2014, 09:06:04 AM
I am not sure what you were watching. Heldt is a short 6'10" and not as near as strong as Ellenson, who is a tall 6'10". Ellenson played the whole game fighting double teams, while Heldt left the game several times. One time to have his foot re bandaged. Maybe Heldt had a virus or something, but he definitely got winded. I also thought Heldt was quicker than Ellenson and had better hands. Heldt was also more likely to get a rebound out of his area. Heldt's team fell behind each time he went to the bench. Basically Heldt's team lost, because Heldt tip in a rebound for the other team in the third or fourth quarter. Oddly, Ellenson's team seemed to tip in the winning shot for the other team. I was sitting at the far end of the court, when two Rice Lake players were battling for the rebound on the last shot and the ball flew up into the basket. I could not tell, if it just bounced off their hands or if the opponent's player actually got a hand on it. Then I get home and see that Florida St. beat Florida, when a Florida player tip in FL St's last shot. It look exactly like the Held'st tip in. It was impressive how Ellenson could handle the ball, but I kept thinking about how Gardner could handle the ball in the pro am, but he could not do it in a college game. Generally, bigmen should not be bringing the ball up court. This was the first time I saw Ellenson play. It will be interesting to see how well he does in college. I do not see him as a one and done, but I have only seen him one time and his shot was not falling. This is the second time I have seen Heldt. I came away with the conclusion both times that he is not big enough to be a college center. Needs to work on being a power forward. Heldt's team often threw inbounds passes to him and lobs to get him the ball inside. He was always able to handle the passes, which led me to the conclusion he had great hands. Ellenson also has very good hands, but I felt Heldt's were better. Heldt made all of his free throws. Ellenson shot more free throws, but missed 4 or 5 of them. I could see Ellenson (SF), Fischer(C) and Heldt(PF) on the floor at the same time in the right situations.
You really thought Heldt was quicker than Ellenson? I could not disagree more. Ellenson was shifty and changed directions quickly. He isn't necessarily fast, but with his length every step covers a ton of ground. Heldt showed very little lateral quickness at all. And he may have looked shorter due to the fact that Tosa West's tallest player was 6'3" while Germantown's was 6'7", so the players on the court were taller against Heldt than they were against Henry. Heldt definitely is wider than Henry but Henry was stronger. When Heldt gets on a college strength and conditioning program I don't see him having any problem playing the 5. He has the frame, just has to convert it into strength.
When teams can't throw 3 defenders at Henry every time he touches the ball I think we'll see that he's a 1 and done type talent (I expect him around for his brother's last 2 years). Regardless of the height advantage, when you have 6 arms being thrown around you every time you touch the ball it's hard to get a clear look at the hoop. He handled the ball with multiple defenders on him with his left hand while shielding them off with his body better than most college point guards handle the ball at all. He's going to be fun to watch for however long he's at Marquette.
Grew up in Oregon, they have different sites for each of the tournaments, 6A goes to U of Portland, 5A to OSU, 4A and lower at high school sites, 4 teams from each division go to state. So being able to play at college site obviously allowed, in a way I like how they (Oregon) spread the state tournament around and let in more teams. But having WIAA state tournament at UW definitely is an advantage and everyone at one site must be easier from a management standpoint.
The best part of Heldts game is that he does not put the ball on the ground in the low post, keeps his hands high and scores that way. You can not teach height, he has it. He will only
get better, but his fundamentals are good. Needs to add weight and get stronger but that is what happens once they get into a college program and has strength and conditioning coach
like Todd Smiith. He will be a great back-up for Luke, plays 10-12 minutes a game as a freshman and sophomore and with the potential to start in 3 years. So looking 3 years down the
road, he has a chance to get a good college player.
Ellenson will step in and start right away next year or first off the bench. He and Luke will be a nice tandem on the floor as Ellenson can go outside. It is hard for Ellenson this year as he
has 3 guys surrounding him at all times. Next year that will not be the case. It will be interesting to see how Wojo uses him next year and how the other older players respond to him.
There was a good Sophomore from Tosa. About 6'6" or 6'7" had length and could shoot. Can't remember his name but he may be someone to keep an eye on.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 31, 2014, 10:20:50 AM
There was a good Sophomore from Tosa. About 6'6" or 6'7" had length and could shoot. Can't remember his name but he may be someone to keep an eye on.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Tosa West Alou Dillon (6-7) beginning to make a name for himself. Talented sophomore with good upside.
Quote from: bilsu on December 31, 2014, 09:06:04 AM
I am not sure what you were watching. Heldt is a short 6'10" and not as near as strong as Ellenson, who is a tall 6'10". Ellenson played the whole game fighting double teams, while Heldt left the game several times. One time to have his foot re bandaged. Maybe Heldt had a virus or something, but he definitely got winded. I also thought Heldt was quicker than Ellenson and had better hands. Heldt was also more likely to get a rebound out of his area. Heldt's team fell behind each time he went to the bench. Basically Heldt's team lost, because Heldt tip in a rebound for the other team in the third or fourth quarter. Oddly, Ellenson's team seemed to tip in the winning shot for the other team. I was sitting at the far end of the court, when two Rice Lake players were battling for the rebound on the last shot and the ball flew up into the basket. I could not tell, if it just bounced off their hands or if the opponent's player actually got a hand on it. Then I get home and see that Florida St. beat Florida, when a Florida player tip in FL St's last shot. It look exactly like the Held'st tip in. It was impressive how Ellenson could handle the ball, but I kept thinking about how Gardner could handle the ball in the pro am, but he could not do it in a college game. Generally, bigmen should not be bringing the ball up court. This was the first time I saw Ellenson play. It will be interesting to see how well he does in college. I do not see him as a one and done, but I have only seen him one time and his shot was not falling. This is the second time I have seen Heldt. I came away with the conclusion both times that he is not big enough to be a college center. Needs to work on being a power forward. Heldt's team often threw inbounds passes to him and lobs to get him the ball inside. He was always able to handle the passes, which led me to the conclusion he had great hands. Ellenson also has very good hands, but I felt Heldt's were better. Heldt made all of his free throws. Ellenson shot more free throws, but missed 4 or 5 of them. I could see Ellenson (SF), Fischer(C) and Heldt(PF) on the floor at the same time in the right situations.
I'm not going to argue "short 6'10 vs tall 6'10". Pretty silly, let's just say they are both plenty tall enough. Heldt more heavy footed and wider of the two. My assessment aligns more with Wadesworld and he covered most pertinent points regarding the two.
Germantown's center was announced at 6'7" and he looked like he was anorexic. That made Heldt appear wider than he is. Assuming Germantown's center was actually 6'7" than Heldt is not 6'10", because he was at best 2 inches taller. Ellenson is very good at moving with the ball due to his ball handling abilities. Heldt does not bring the ball up court, so you cannot compare quickness there. However, I felt around the basket that Heldt was quicker. It may simply be the fact that Ellesnson was doubled team and therefore boxed in and Heldt was not. As far as defensively opposing players more than once drove the ball and scored over both of them. They blocked some shots, because of their size, but neither are shot blockers.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 31, 2014, 10:20:50 AM
There was a good Sophomore from Tosa. About 6'6" or 6'7" had length and could shoot. Can't remember his name but he may be someone to keep an eye on.
#23 I believe. He caught my eye too. Seemed in the 6'5" range according to my non-scientific analysis. Thought if he grew a couple more inches he could be something. Smooth athlete.
Perhaps this has been covered already in the Al....but heard McGivern on the radio mention he watched online Ellenson and Stone play the U17 worlds in Dubai this summer.
If anyone is interested in the stat lines:
http://www.fiba.com/world/u17/2014/Henry-John-ELLENSON (http://www.fiba.com/world/u17/2014/Henry-John-ELLENSON)
http://www.fiba.com/world/u17/2014/Diamond-Louis-STONE (http://www.fiba.com/world/u17/2014/Diamond-Louis-STONE)
Ellenson only got half the minutes of Stone but was effective in most games. High scorer vs China.
Again, forgive me if this is old news on the forum.
Philip Flory was the most pedestrian playeron the court today. Very mediocre. Not a D1 talent-----at least today.
Sam Hauser (Frosh) was very impressive.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 31, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Philip Flory was the most pedestrian playeron the court today. Very mediocre. Not a D1 talent-----at least today.
Sam Hauser (Frosh) was very impressive.
I believe Sam is a junior. His brother Joey is a Freshman. I know Wojo has been mentioned a lot with Sam. Both sound like very high level players.
Yes--you are correct. Joey is a stud.
Sam was in foul trouble in the first half and wasnt a factor.
Joey can shoot and jump and is built like a senior.
How did Hank look today?
He was double and triple teamed
Most of the game. His teammates air balled at least 5 three pointers. If his team could shoot at all teams would have to be more honest.
I did mention to my buddy that I have seen Henry play 3 times and I have never seen him box out---never put a body on someone. Since he has the height, he waits for the ball and goes and gets it.
Btw, freshmen from Kaukauna #5 stole the game. Great ball handler, nice shooter. Jordan McCabe.
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 31, 2014, 11:53:06 AM
#23 I believe. He caught my eye too. Seemed in the 6'5" range according to my non-scientific analysis. Thought if he grew a couple more inches he could be something. Smooth athlete.
I think this was the guy who single handedly kept them in the game against Dominican in the first half.