MU vs Chilean Nationals during Chile's 40 game, 40 day tour of the US in 1972.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzH31TcsH5k
Quote from: BillVol on December 23, 2014, 11:34:46 AM
MU vs Chilean Nationals during Chile's 40 game, 40 day tour of the US in 1972.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzH31TcsH5k
Thank You for posting this. It brought back some great memories.
Yeah, thanks!
Cool watching the guys I watched as a kid. Even the old Milwaukee Arena floor (in the pre-MECCA days) brings back memories.
Wow. Mo Lucas was almost as skinny as McNeil
I was wondering what the name of the arena was then. I remember the MECCA from the old Bucks days. Jack Sikma, Don Nelson. I loved those teams! As I recall, it was one of the smaller NBA arenas. Glad to know that the Milwaukee Arena and MECCA are the same building! My dad was coach of the Chile team. He resigned at Delaware and somehow wound up in Chile the next year. My dad's Delaware team played in the Milwaukee Classic not long before the game I linked, and he and Coach McGuire became lifelong friends. Was anyone here at this game?
Awesome! It's like finding a time capsule, a moment in time captured.
Quote from: BillVol on December 23, 2014, 09:56:56 PM
I was wondering what the name of the arena was then. I remember the MECCA from the old Bucks days. Jack Sikma, Don Nelson. I loved those teams! As I recall, it was one of the smaller NBA arenas. Glad to know that the Milwaukee Arena and MECCA are the same building! My dad was coach of the Chile team. He resigned at Delaware and somehow wound up in Chile the next year. My dad's Delaware team played in the Milwaukee Classic not long before the game I linked, and he and Coach McGuire became lifelong friends. Was anyone here at this game?
Cool history. Loved those Bucks teams too. As for the names, it was the Milwaukee Arena from its opening in 1950 until 1974, when the name was changed to the MECCA. It is now UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena.
I don't recall that game for certain, but there's a decent chance I was there. I started going to games when I was 8 (in 1970). My dad had season tickets, and I got to go to about half of the games.
no 3 pt line is weird
Quote from: Johnny B on December 23, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
no 3 pt line is weird
It looked super weird saying their spacing without the 3 point line. As someone who has never seen the game without it. So weird.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 23, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Cool history. Loved those Bucks teams too. As for the names, it was the Milwaukee Arena from its opening in 1950 until 1974, when the name was changed to the MECCA. It is now UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena.
When I was there (1978-82), we called it the Arena, as in, "We have a game tonight at the Arena."
Isn't MECCA an acronym for Milwaukee Exposition Convention Center and Arena, meaning the Arena was just part of the overall complex?
Me, too.
Yep.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 23, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
no 3 pt line is weird
No! The 3 pt line is weird for us purists.
I still remember when the NFL moved the goalposts from the front to the back of the end zone, I thought to myself, this is so stupid and will never work....and yes, I'm serious. I was a kid, what can I say.
No shot clock and dunking the ball was not legal in 1972. There was also a one shot personal foul until a team went over the limit and had a one and one opportunity.
Quote from: StateStreetMission on December 24, 2014, 08:27:38 AM
No shot clock and dunking the ball was not legal in 1972. There was also a one shot personal foul until a team went over the limit and had a one and one opportunity.
No dunking was the Lew Alcindor rule correct or was that already in effect when he got to UCLA?
The dunk was banned in college basketball after the 1967 season, primarily because of Alcindor's dominant use of the shot. It was not allowed again until 1976.
Quote from: StateStreetMission on December 24, 2014, 08:27:38 AM
No shot clock and dunking the ball was not legal in 1972. There was also a one shot personal foul until a team went over the limit and had a one and one opportunity.
that's right-forgot about that too-al and the warriors would live and die by the 4 corners stall/taking the air out of the ball-was very nerve racking
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2014, 07:39:58 AM
When I was there (1978-82), we called it the Arena, as in, "We have a game tonight at the Arena."
Isn't MECCA an acronym for Milwaukee Exposition Convention Center and Arena, meaning the Arena was just part of the overall complex?
Yeah, people still referred to it as the Arena long after the name officialy changed to MECCA. And I think you're right about the reason for the name change.
lots of memories at the arena-dad had bucks season tix, 6th row at entrance where players would walk in, guy next to us had a cigar and a blow horn. saw the big O playing for the cincy royals against lew alcindor, flynn robinson and jonny mack, et.al. big plume of smoke over the scoreboard as you would enter ?-( makes ya think everything was in black n white yet. first thing al would do when he entered the arena- look to the 4 upper corners of the arena-to see if he was worthy
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2014, 07:39:58 AM
When I was there (1978-82), we called it the Arena, as in, "We have a game tonight at the Arena."
Isn't MECCA an acronym for Milwaukee Exposition Convention Center and Arena, meaning the Arena was just part of the overall complex?
Yeah, no one ever called it the MECCA. We just called it the Arena. Still call it the Arena (with all due respect to those Panther fans who cherish their "traditions" there.... :D ).
Quote from: Chip Chipman on December 24, 2014, 08:31:38 AM
No dunking was the Lew Alcindor rule correct or was that already in effect when he got to UCLA?
His "money shot" - the sky hook - was a direct result of that rule.
Quote from: StateStreetMission on December 24, 2014, 08:27:38 AM
No shot clock and dunking the ball was not legal in 1972. There was also a one shot personal foul until a team went over the limit and had a one and one opportunity.
...and the player who committed the foul had to raise his hand. I can remember (UCLA I believe started this) where some fans in the stands had these gigantic hands with the index finger pointing out and when someone committed a foul the crowd would shout you, you, you with the large hand pointing at the player.
Quote from: brandx on December 24, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
His "money shot" - the sky hook - was a direct result of that rule.
If he only developed the sky hook because of the no-dunk rule -- and I'm not doubting that was the case at all; I really don't know -- he owes the NCAA quite a debt of gratitude because that might have been the single most unstoppable shot in basketball history.
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
If he only developed the sky hook because of the no-dunk rule -- and I'm not doubting that was the case at all; I really don't know -- he owes the NCAA quite a debt of gratitude because that might have been the single most unstoppable shot in basketball history.
IIRC, it was John Wooden that told Lew that he needed to develop a hook shot.
People forget that he was as dominant in his 20's as MJ. He went for 30 pts/16 reb/ 4.8 assists/ 4 blocks over his first 7 years in the league.
Here is the account of the game that the Marquette U. Archives sent to me. They really made an exception in allowing me to post that to YouTube. I think it was a humanitarian gesture. I told them that nobody on that team has any video of them playing basketball at all. So they are all going nuts being able to see this game.
Quote from: BillVol on December 24, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Here is the account of the game that the Marquette U. Archives sent to me. They really made an exception in allowing me to post that to YouTube. I think it was a humanitarian gesture. I told them that nobody on that team has any video of them playing basketball at all. So they are all going nuts being able to see this game.
Great that those guys are able to see video of themselves playing, and great work by you to get it to happen! Thanks again Bill!
Quote from: brandx on December 24, 2014, 08:58:59 PM
IIRC, it was John Wooden that told Lew that he needed to develop a hook shot.
People forget that he was as dominant in his 20's as MJ. He went for 30 pts/16 reb/ 4.8 assists/ 4 blocks over his first 7 years in the league.
I don't forget. I LOVED Kareem. When I was a kid, I taught myself how to shoot a jump hook. I used to announce it, in Marv Albert's voice, as I made my moves.
"Kareem with the sky hook ... YES!!"
Obviously, as an East Coast kid, I didn't know who Eddie Doucette was.
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2014, 10:48:31 PM
I don't forget. I LOVED Kareem. When I was a kid, I taught myself how to shoot a jump hook. I used to announce it, in Marv Albert's voice, as I made my moves.
"Kareem with the sky hook ... YES!!"
Obviously, as an East Coast kid, I didn't know who Eddie Doucette was.
I know Marv is loved on the East Coast, but Eddie was great. Many great expressions and nicknames.
"Toaster" was the lane cuz guys were jumping up and down all the time; "Land of the Giants" was another nickname for the area around the basket; "Bango" was for when a guy swished a long jump shot - usually Jon McGlocklin or Brian Winters; "Sky Hook" for Kareem's shot; "Boulevard of broken Dreams" was where a guy drove the lane and had his shot blocked.
The "Twin Towers" were Marvin Webster and Bill Cartwright; "Cement mixer" was Dick Cunningham; "Greyhound" was Bobby Dandridge; "Speed Bump" was Paul Mokeski; and Pat Cummings was "Road Apple" (although I don't remember if that one was from Eddie or just the guys I hung with).
There were a lot more as well that I can't recall off the top of my head.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
Great that those guys are able to see video of themselves playing, and great work by you to get it to happen! Thanks again Bill!
Thanks, G. Usually when I post on non-Tennessee boards, I get ripped! LOL But not on this Christmas morning!
If you guys are ever by the library, please give your outstanding archivists Katie Blank, Susan Stawicki, Amy Cary, and Michelle Sweetser a big hug for me. Those women really made the day for a couple of us gringos and a ton of people in Chile.
Quote from: brandx on December 24, 2014, 11:24:53 PM
I know Marv is loved on the East Coast, but Eddie was great. Many great expressions and nicknames.
"Toaster" was the lane cuz guys were jumping up and down all the time; "Land of the Giants" was another nickname for the area around the basket; "Bango" was for when a guy swished a long jump shot - usually Jon McGlocklin or Brian Winters; "Sky Hook" for Kareem's shot; "Boulevard of broken Dreams" was where a guy drove the lane and had his shot blocked.
The "Twin Towers" were Marvin Webster and Bill Cartwright; "Cement mixer" was Dick Cunningham; "Greyhound" was Bobby Dandridge; "Speed Bump" was Paul Mokeski; and Pat Cummings was "Road Apple" (although I don't remember if that one was from Eddie or just the guys I hung with).
There were a lot more as well that I can't recall off the top of my head.
Toby Kimball: "Mr. Clean."
Quote from: brandx on December 24, 2014, 11:24:53 PM
I know Marv is loved on the East Coast, but Eddie was great. Many great expressions and nicknames.
"Toaster" was the lane cuz guys were jumping up and down all the time; "Land of the Giants" was another nickname for the area around the basket; "Bango" was for when a guy swished a long jump shot - usually Jon McGlocklin or Brian Winters; "Sky Hook" for Kareem's shot; "Boulevard of broken Dreams" was where a guy drove the lane and had his shot blocked.
The "Twin Towers" were Marvin Webster and Bill Cartwright; "Cement mixer" was Dick Cunningham; "Greyhound" was Bobby Dandridge; "Speed Bump" was Paul Mokeski; and Pat Cummings was "Road Apple" (although I don't remember if that one was from Eddie or just the guys I hung with).
There were a lot more as well that I can't recall off the top of my head.
I heard Doucette a lot when I was at Marquette. I still think Marv is the gold standard, but I always enjoyed listening to Eddie.
Douchette probably never bit women's asses, doe, aina?
Quote from: MU82 on December 25, 2014, 09:31:27 AM
I heard Doucette a lot when I was at Marquette. I still think Marv is the gold standard, but I always enjoyed listening to Eddie.
Milwaukee radio was great.
Eddie Doucette
Bob Uecker
Bob Bach
Ron Cuzner
Tim the rock n roll animal
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 25, 2014, 09:25:49 AM
Toby Kimball: "Mr. Clean."
Flynn Robinson - the "electric eye"
I was there. My season tickets go back to 1965. Mentioning Lucas who only played varsity for two years at Marquette, I remember the 1971 freshman varsity game that always began the season. Freshman Lucas was playing against some great players and did very well. I still remember the wish that Chones, McNeil and Lucas would be our forward wall some day but it never happened of course. There were some great freshman games before the varsity games and many fans like myself would go down early to see the opening game. I think that ended after Maurice's freshman year when the rules changed and freshman could play on the varsity. I remember a great MU Illinois freshman game. It might have been when Luke was a freshman.
MU, I guess that is Jim Chones? Never knew he played for Marquette. I remember him with the Lakers. He was tough.
I found this article on the Chile game, but the box score does not come through. If anyone has a box for this game, I'd love to see it.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19700324&id=00YaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PigEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7506,1855253
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 25, 2014, 10:46:25 AM
Milwaukee radio was great.
Eddie Doucette
Bob Uecker
Bob Bach
Ron Cuzner
Tim the rock n roll animal
Don't forget the one and only David "two tots toasted" Haines! Was the news straight man for Larry the Legend and the most melodramatic local news guy I ever heard in my life. "Two tots toasted as your Milwaukee fire department responded...."
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 25, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
Don't forget the one and only David "two tots toasted" Haines! Was the news straight man for Larry the Legend and the most melodramatic local news guy I ever heard in my life. "Two tots toasted as your Milwaukee fire department responded...."
I remember "hot lead, in the head, now he's dead" or something like that.
the best I can tell the scoring for the exhibition against Chile:
18 Allie McGuire
15 Maurice Lucas
14 George "Sugar" Frazier
13 Larry McNeil
4 Marcus Washington
4 Dave Delsman
3 Paul Vollmer
2 Mark Ostrand
2 Ed Daniels (?)
0 Rick Campbell
0 Jerry Homan
0 Kurt Spychalla
0 Steve Raymonds
Quote from: MU62 on December 25, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
I was there. My season tickets go back to 1965. Mentioning Lucas who only played varsity for two years at Marquette, I remember the 1971 freshman varsity game that always began the season. Freshman Lucas was playing against some great players and did very well. I still remember the wish that Chones, McNeil and Lucas would be our forward wall some day but it never happened of course. There were some great freshman games before the varsity games and many fans like myself would go down early to see the opening game. I think that ended after Maurice's freshman year when the rules changed and freshman could play on the varsity. I remember a great MU Illinois freshman game. It might have been when Luke was a freshman.
Best freshman game I remember was MU vs ND during the 67-68 season. IIRC Marquette won in OT and Dean "The Dream" scored 40+ for the Warriors. Austin Carr had 40+ for the Irish team that included HS All Americans Sid Catlett and Collis Jones. The varsity game was anti-climatic after the show that Meminger and Carr put on.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2014, 08:47:31 AM
Yeah, people still referred to it as the Arena long after the name officialy changed to MECCA. And I think you're right about the reason for the name change.
Actually, it wasn't "officially" the MECCA. In fact I have ticket stubs for concerts in 1978 that say Milwaukee Arena. No mention of MECCA whatsoever.
Interesting that the basketball floor was changed to the colorful MECCA design ("the floor that made Milwaukee famous")
in 1977 yet official events still listed the venue as the Milwaukee Arena.
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/05/28/mecca-floor-documentary-to-premiere-on-espn-owned.html?ana=twt
Quote from: romey on December 26, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Actually, it wasn't "officially" the MECCA. In fact I have ticket stubs for concerts in 1978 that say Milwaukee Arena. No mention of MECCA whatsoever.
Ticket stubs seem to be the only "official" reference to the Milwaukee Arena after 1974. Newspaper articles of the day referred to it as MECCA, the UWM website describing the history of the arena has referred to the name change in that year, and if you'd gone to a basketball game from 1977 on, you would have seen them playing on this court:
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/ready-to-be-floored-again-colorful-mecca-court-returns-for-one-night-b9980894z1-220602071.html
Edit: And here's a JS reference to the name change in 1974:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=20000307&id=KL4aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eC8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6742,7006180
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 26, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
Ticket stubs seem to be the only "official" reference to the Milwaukee Arena after 1974. Newspaper articles of the day referred to it as MECCA, the UWM website describing the history of the arena has referred to the name change in that year, and if you'd gone to a basketball game from 1977 on, you would have seen them playing on this court:
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/ready-to-be-floored-again-colorful-mecca-court-returns-for-one-night-b9980894z1-220602071.html
Edit: And here's a JS reference to the name change in 1974:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=20000307&id=KL4aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eC8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6742,7006180
Well, I stand corrected, I guess. My dad had season tickets sine Dean Meminger played. I used to go to all the games (mom, Dad, brother and I) throughout the Al years in the 70's and then while a student - graduated in '83. I personally don't ever recall calling it the MECCA, nor do I recall any of my buddies or fellow alumni ever referring to it a s the MECCA. As someone mentioned earlier, it was always "the Arena" to us. Kinda like "Warriors", right?
Quote from: romey on December 26, 2014, 11:32:33 AM
Well, I stand corrected, I guess. My dad had season tickets sine Dean Meminger played. I used to go to all the games (mom, Dad, brother and I) throughout the Al years in the 70's and then while a student - graduated in '83. I personally don't ever recall calling it the MECCA, nor do I recall any of my buddies or fellow alumni ever referring to it a s the MECCA. As someone mentioned earlier, it was always "the Arena" to us. Kinda like "Warriors", right?
On that I agree. Even with the MECCA name splayed in front of us on the court, we always referred to it as "the Arena." And when I am forced to use a nickname (I usually just refer to "Marquette" or "MU"), I will say "Warriors." ;)
Here's the game story. I added the wrong link.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19721116&id=h3dQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WREEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7405,106886
Quote from: BillVol on December 26, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Here's the game story. I added the wrong link.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19721116&id=h3dQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WREEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7405,106886
There is gold in their for a MKE area kid who was 12 years old when that was happening.