I am concerned about Luke's left shoulder. He aggravated it without much cause. He was going up for a shot and the defender chopped at the ball, but not with a huge amount of force. On the bright side, he returned to the game, and didn't seem to be favoring it.
Does anyone know the extent of his injury? How did he first injure it? Is it an injury that will heal or will it require surgery at some point?
Quote from: 94Warrior on December 22, 2014, 10:35:01 PM
I am concerned about Luke's left shoulder. He aggravated it without much cause. He was going up for a shot and the defender chopped at the ball, but not with a huge amount of force. On the bright side, he returned to the game, and didn't seem to be favoring it.
Does anyone know the extent of his injury? How did he first injure it? Is it an injury that will heal or will it require surgery at some point?
He opted to not have surgery but probably should have once he decided to transfer. Hopefully it'll stay strong and healthy.
I, too, noticed the shoulder pain. The look on his face scared me more than seeing the shoulder brace every game. I was surprised to see him come back after wincing the way he did. Maybe surgery was in order. shades of Anthony Pieper- I remember his shoulder getting so bad by the end of the season that he turned his body to catch a pass with his good arm and let his bad-shoulder-arm hang limp. I obviously hope Luke's is mending rather than deteriorating!
Quote from: augoman on December 23, 2014, 04:20:41 PM
I, too, noticed the shoulder pain. The look on his face scared me more than seeing the shoulder brace every game. I was surprised to see him come back after wincing the way he did. Maybe surgery was in order. shades of Anthony Pieper- I remember his shoulder getting so bad by the end of the season that he turned his body to catch a pass with his good arm and let his bad-shoulder-arm hang limp. I obviously hope Luke's is mending rather than deteriorating!
We are woefully under-informed to be surmising as to whether Luke should have gone under the knife or not. I know it's Scoop and all, but this is too much.
Looked like he had a shoulder separation, possibly some time ago, that has not healed and was aggrevated by the hit in the game. You have to have had one to understand the type of pain in his face. It is like bone grinding on bone but it did not pop out so back in the game is not a surprise once the pain subsides.
I would expect surgery in the off season. Tendons simply do not tighten automatically. But hey, I'm not a doctor.
chronic shoulder pain oh well...
Quote from: Windyplayer on December 23, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
We are woefully under-informed to be surmising as to whether Luke should have gone under the knife or not. I know it's Scoop and all, but this is too much.
Looks to me like he needs knee surgery and a colonoscopy, too. And probably a new barber.
It was reported that Luke suffered a torn labrum in the fall of his year at Indiana. He elected not to have surgery. The issue with the non surgical approach is there is an approximate 90 percent reoccurrence rate. All the physical therapy and training in the world doesn't matter.
If he has arthroscopic surgery it takes 22-24 weeks to get cleared to play contact sports. Then realistically your looking at up to 3 months of intense training to recover from the atrophied muscle and get back in shape.
If Luke can make it through the season, which is a big if, he should consider immediately having surgery as soon as the season is over. He would probably be ready by next year. The good news with the surgery is he is completely repaired.
I have five digit medical bills from my kids dealing with this injury . Just by watching Luke I can sense he is having issues that are going to become chronic .
Stick it in a boot between games.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 23, 2014, 08:06:53 PM
It was reported that Luke suffered a torn labrum in the fall of his year at Indiana. He elected not to have surgery. The issue with the non surgical approach is there is an approximate 90 percent reoccurrence rate. All the physical therapy and training in the world doesn't matter.
If he has arthroscopic surgery it takes 22-24 weeks to get cleared to play contact sports. Then realistically your looking at up to 3 months of intense training to recover from the atrophied muscle and get back in shape.
If Luke can make it through the season, which is a big if, he should consider immediately having surgery as soon as the season is over. He would probably be ready by next year. The good news with the surgery is he is completely repaired.
I have five digit medical bills from my kids dealing with this injury . Just by watching Luke I can sense he is having issues that are going to become chronic .
There are different types of torn Labrum's and the surgeries or recommendation for a surgery is highly dependent upon which type of tear. Similarly the recoveries depend on which type of tear it is and what type of surgery is performed.
Quote from: forgetful on December 23, 2014, 08:32:41 PM
There are different types of torn Labrum's and the surgeries or recommendation for a surgery is highly dependent upon which type of tear. Similarly the recoveries depend on which type of tear it is and what type of surgery is performed.
correct response
Quote from: forgetful on December 23, 2014, 08:32:41 PM
There are different types of torn Labrum's and the surgeries or recommendation for a surgery is highly dependent upon which type of tear. Similarly the recoveries depend on which type of tear it is and what type of surgery is performed.
+1000 and the rate of failure on these surgeries is higher than just a "plain" rotator cuff.
As someone on the internet, I really think he should have had surgery on something. For sure.
Quote from: Windyplayer on December 23, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
We are woefully under-informed to be surmising as to whether Luke should have gone under the knife or not. I know it's Scoop and all, but this is too much.
Windy, I believe you misread my post..., or at least misunderstood it.
Quote from: T-Bone on December 23, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Stick it in a boot between games.
Yeah, don't we have any shoulder boots?
As an internet Doctor, I prescribe scoop some chill pills. His shoulder is going to be a chronic problem, but Steve's knee was ok last year? If you ask the player, they will usually say that they are good to go, because they are competitors. Unless anyone shows me proof of his diagnosis, I don't see the point in speculating what his exact injury is and the best way to fix it. Nobody here knows.
A fifth of Jack and a handful of oxycodone before every game.
What could possibly go wrong?
I'm just gonna sit back, relax, and Respect the Process of Scoop Speculation.
Quote from: Class71 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:51 PM
Looked like he had a shoulder separation, possibly some time ago, that has not healed and was aggrevated by the hit in the game. You have to have had one to understand the type of pain in his face. It is like bone grinding on bone but it did not pop out so back in the game is not a surprise once the pain subsides.
I would expect surgery in the off season. Tendons simply do not tighten automatically. But hey, I'm not a doctor.
I have a 3rd degree separation in my right shoulder from a snowboarding accident. It's painful for the first year. But after, you forget that it's separated. A small downward slap wouldn't hurt it like that. It only hurts when it's bent in overstretched directions, like when your arm gets tangled up with a defender.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
A fifth of Jack and a handful of oxycodone before every game.
Is there a rule limiting this to just game time, Doc?
Quote from: keefe on December 24, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
Is there a rule limiting this to just game time, Doc?
Absolutely not. Part of my everyday training routine....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2014, 01:23:38 PM
Absolutely not. Part of my everyday training routine....
I find that a snort of Laphroaig makes it the Holy Trinity
Many playas have had their middle leg displaced and it didn't hurt their game at all, hey?
Quote from: Bricky on December 24, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
I have a 3rd degree separation in my right shoulder from a snowboarding accident. It's painful for the first year. But after, you forget that it's separated. A small downward slap wouldn't hurt it like that. It only hurts when it's bent in overstretched directions, like when your arm gets tangled up with a defender.
An AC joint injury is a totally different. Not to mention what kind of complicating injuries/conditions Luke has. I've had multiple separations on both shoulders from years rugby. Those have caused me little to no recurring pain (yet). However, I also had recurring stingers from neck and shoulder nerve compression. A well placed and unexpected slap on my back can can cause a shot of fire to run down my right arm and a good amount of pain. It is gone within 30 seconds.
Quote from: MURFC on December 25, 2014, 08:56:59 AM
A well placed and unexpected slap on my back can can cause a shot of fire to run down my right arm and a good amount of pain.
You receive a lot of these?
I am only an expert on most things, not all, but I think with labrum tears you will sometimes find the real extent of what's up once you actually go into the shoulder... so, how bad it is / the exact procedures / healing & rehab process / etc. may not be known with great precision until a surgery is performed.
I say drug him up before each game.
Probably will have to call it a season days before selection sunday.. causing us to miss the tourney.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 25, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
You receive a lot of these?
I am only an expert on most things, not all, but I think with labrum tears you will sometimes find the real extent of what's up once you actually go into the shoulder... so, how bad it is / the exact procedures / healing & rehab process / etc. may not be known with great precision until a surgery is performed.
I say drug him up before each game.
Probably will have to call it a season days before selection sunday.. causing us to miss the tourney.
At some point he will need the surgical correction, it is just a matter if how long he can put it off. They can do some good analysis with MRI but they really need to get in there surgically to see the exact damage. The look on Luke's face after the stinger was not good.
I wonder what the impact on eligibility would be if he had to have the surgery now? Would the NCAA give him back this whole year? Or would he get back a half year?
Quote from: Texas Western on December 25, 2014, 11:06:08 AM
I wonder what the impact on eligibility would be if he had to have the surgery now? Would the NCAA give him back this hole year? Or would he get back a half year?
Yuck.
That's an interesting question; I'm unaware of any additional rules regarding a medical hardship waiver if you're sitting out the semester in residence.
That said, my belief is this:
MU has 31 scheduled games (according to the NCAA bylaws for purposes of the hardship calc);
Can't play in the second half of the year - so no games allowed after the Georgetown game... still 4 more to go;
Can't play in more than 30% of the team's games (10 by Bylaw definition/calc specifics)... 4 more puts him at 7 so non-issue;
Anyway.. what I'm saying is.. need to check out the year in residence implications.. don't think there are any though....
I believe Luke could play in 4 more games. If they decided to shut him down and he had season-ending surgery (e.g., docs would be be of the opinion he's not able to play the rest of the year)... he'd be eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
Thus, as of next fall, he'd have 3 years to play 3 seasons.
(Hope he's fine; but the option is probably there)
This whole "shutting him down" idea seems pretty crazy ( ie. the fact we are even discussing it) to me seeing he just sat out close to 1.5 years. If it comes to be the case or if he does have major injury problems this year, I'd really like to know what the discussions were since Luke was announced. Obviously they knew about the injury and the potential for aggravation, but nothing was done about it. I could understand if it is any type of new injury, but the shoulder causing him to miss more time would seem be a big mistake in management of the known issue.
^^^
1) he didn't sit out close to 1.5 years;
2) believe it or not, sometimes injuries are mismanaged.
A worthwhile topic, IMHO. This year, though, even a Fischer at 40% might be good for the team to have available.
This thread is bizarre. With a whole year to sit out any way, MU and Luke had all the incentive in the world to go ahead and have the surgery if it was necessary and they didn't.
Now after all that time he is finally playing and Scoop posters are just assuming he will be shut down and have the surgery anyway. SMDH
Quote from: murara1994 on December 25, 2014, 04:57:06 PM
Now after all that time he is finally playing and Scoop posters are just assuming he will be shut down and have the surgery anyway. SMDH
Where did you see this?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 25, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
^^^
1) he didn't sit out close to 1.5 years;
2) believe it or not, sometimes injuries are mismanaged.
A worthwhile topic, IMHO. This year, though, even a Fischer at 40% might be good for the team to have available.
Was somewhat unclear, didn't mean we shouldn't the discussing it, but just the fact that it is a topic is unfortunate due to the time they had to sort things out. Hopefully it was not mismanaged. I am a er doc and see patients that were previously mismanaged every day so a I totatly understand the possibility.
nothing a few Quaaludes couldn't solve.
and why haven't 'ludes made a comeback in the drug world?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 26, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
nothing a few Quaaludes couldn't solve.
and why haven't 'ludes made a comeback in the drug world?
Because they stopped manufacturing Quaaludes after the government realized that they were fun. They were removed from the US market and deemed to be a "Schedule I drug" meaning that it's of no medicinal value... even though it was a medicine being prescribed by doctors.
You can make it at home if you're determined though :)