I don't remeber a team since Cuse had a boatload of injuries about 6-7 years ago when a team had so few options. As has been noted Dawson wasn't playing and Luke at a minimum will get Burtons minutes so it doesn't seem there will be a serious uptick in players getting overworked. But seriously, what is the ceiling here? Floor conjecture is what truly worries me as program success, like game sucess, has momentum as a factor. I know recruiting is aces, but a crap year could extend our 're-loading' period significantly.
Go marquette!!!
I think this is a rebuilding year than a reloading year.
Wasn't there a stretch in the season last year when Seton Hall had only 7 players dressing?
Things will be interesting. I predict we survive.
We will actually have more minutes to go around then we have had due to Fischer being eligible. He will play 20+ once in game shape. He will take up more minutes than Dawson and Deonte were giving us.
Now, if we have an injury, that is another matter.
The zone is key, can keep guys out of foul trouble and more rested.
Dawson? Giving us minutes?
Burton was a mess on the court, no D, no rebounds, wild shots and turnovers, Dawson who knows. New coach wants to start over with his players, he can find one more player this year so
he will have 11 and 3 the following year so the classes are more even. It would be good to find another rent a player for a year, maybe a point.
Quote from: GOO on December 09, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
We will actually have more minutes to go around then we have had due to Fischer being eligible. He will play 20+ once in game shape. He will take up more minutes than Dawson and Deonte were giving us.
Now, if we have an injury, that is another matter.
The zone is key, can keep guys out of foul trouble and more rested.
All true. Back to my walk-on theme. They only play in emergencies. But we need 'em.
Jslow--- I totally agree. One or Two. Walkons
come one this is scoop, no rational view of the situation is expected. barring injuries, they are fine. injuries would be an issue...
Quote from: GOO on December 09, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
We will actually have more minutes to go around then we have had due to Fischer being eligible. He will play 20+ once in game shape. He will take up more minutes than Dawson and Deonte were giving us.
Now, if we have an injury, that is another matter.
The zone is key, can keep guys out of foul trouble and more rested.
Quote from: jsglow on December 09, 2014, 04:26:13 PM
All true. Back to my walk-on theme. They only play in emergencies. But we need 'em.
Agreed, we do, in case of injury or even in blow out games where we are winning (if we get any of those after December).
Barring injuries - a huge issue now - I think the expectations are pretty close to what we thought they were yesterday.
John wasn't getting any minutes at all, and it's hard to imagine him suddenly cracking the rotation. Deonte has a ton of talent, but as others have said, he has struggled immensely. Don't know if it's because of his mom or the new system - probably some of both - but after watching his struggles, I expected him to be pretty inconsistent this year.
We will never know for sure, but my suspicion is that we'll end up about where I was thinking yesterday - around 4-5 in the BE. One or two injuries though, and we may pay a visit to DePaul in the basement.
I also agree with jsglow - it sure would be nice to get a walk-on or two. I still have 4 years of eligibility left - does MU offer an over-50 discount on tuition. ;)
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 09, 2014, 04:39:20 PM
Barring injuries - a huge issue now - I think the expectations are pretty close to what we thought they were yesterday.
John wasn't getting any minutes at all, and it's hard to imagine him suddenly cracking the rotation. Deonte has a ton of talent, but as others have said, he has struggled immensely. Don't know if it's because of his mom or the new system - probably some of both - but after watching his struggles, I expected him to be pretty inconsistent this year.
We will never know for sure, but my suspicion is that we'll end up about where I was thinking yesterday - around 4-5 in the BE. One or two injuries though, and we may pay a visit to DePaul in the basement.
I also agree with jsglow - it sure would be nice to get a walk-on or two. I still have 4 years of eligibility left - does MU offer an over-50 discount on tuition. ;)
For some reason reading this just made me laugh. Probably because they have been a cemented mainstay for a decade while other teams talk about worst case scenario's that lead to joining them lol.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 09, 2014, 04:42:39 PM
For some reason reading this just made me laugh. Probably because they have been a cemented mainstay for a decade while other teams talk about worst case scenario's that lead to joining them lol.
Yeah, I guess that is pretty funny. Our "worst case scenario" has been DePaul's everyday reality for years.
I always laugh when people refer to their program as a "sleeping giant." How long does the giant have to be asleep before he is deemed comatose?
I'd say about 5 or 6 conference wins sounds right, not that this news changes that very much. The rest of the conference looks better than I expected. This team won't have any easy games but could also steal a few.
Deonte has disappointed all season long and Dawson hasn't played. We are essentially trading Deonte for Luke, nothing more nothing less. I think we'll be better than we are now, though I've gone through this season with zero expectations and I'm not going to change that philosophy now.
True brew, but we no longer have a warm body (Dawson) down at the end of the bench
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 09, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
Jslow--- I totally agree. One or Two. Walkons
nd for practice-not just emergencies
Quote from: jsglow on December 09, 2014, 05:13:50 PM
True brew, but we no longer have a warm body (Dawson) down at the end of the bench
Agreed, and while we can maybe handle one injury, two or more would be crippling.
I can't imagine Wojo liking these two transferring out right now with such a short bench. Wonder how surprised he's was about Burton especially, and it all going down now.
Has an announced transfer ever been walked down from the plank?
Silver lining?
Cohen gets lots of quality minutes.
Ellenson gets more minutes than he probably would have gotten with Deonte and Dawson.
Dark clouds?
More PT means larger windows for possible injuries.
This lessens my expectations. I truly thought having a legit big man in Luke would help clear some space for Deonte. I thought he was going to be better and we would benefit from it. I think .500 in conference play is our ceiling. Depaul is our floor.
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on December 09, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
Has an announced transfer ever been walked down from the plank?
Juan Anderson
I think Jake was due to someone else transferring out.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 09, 2014, 07:18:12 PM
I think Jake was due to someone else transferring out.
Yeah, Vander Blue transferring to the NBA Draft.
I was always in the 10-14 win camp. I have actually been encouraged enough recently to think 15-18 was possible. But the Big East is going to be tough. If the Elite 8 stay healthy the rest of the way, 16 wins. One or two injuries, all bets are off.
Who cares? It don't matter. Let Wojo gets his own playas in here sooner than later and let's strap it on and move his program along.
In terms of what we've seen this year only,
Fischer unseen > Burton
Walk-on to be named = Dawson
We can manage 8-4 by beating ASU and with the cupcakes remaining. But 7-11 is all I can see in conference. Unless Steve or JJJ figures it all out. Both have potential to swing a couple more games our way; will be plenty of opportunity but neither seems close.
On another note, with 8 being the magic number - when Michael Scott said this:
Quote"My philosophy is basically this. And this is something that I live by. And I always have. And I always will. Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what. No matter ... where. Or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or ... or where you've been ... ever. For any reason, whatsoever..."
the remaining words were: "do not bank scholarships".
Wojo self-imposed a one scholarship penalty on the program for failure to recruit. Started with 12 instead of 13, three departures and one sitting transfer leaving eight players. We should have another developing freshman or a Juco on board, or at very minimum another transfer sitting out so 7+ new faces don't have to be brought in next year. Uphill battle with a new coach, new staff, limited time to recruit - but should never happen again.
Quote from: chapman on December 09, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
In terms of what we've seen this year only,
Fischer unseen > Burton
Walk-on to be named = Dawson
We can manage 8-4 by beating ASU and with the cupcakes remaining. But 7-11 is all I can see in conference. Unless Steve or JJJ figures it all out. Both have potential to swing a couple more games our way; will be plenty of opportunity but neither seems close.
Don't get too carried away with Fischer being that big of an impact. It can take a while for college bigs to develop. Unfortunately the one player on the roster with the highest ceiling compared to their current level of play just transferred. For us to get into 10 wins in conference we would have needed to see a player or two take a big leap forward. I had more faith in Burton (dealing with the loss of his mother) getting it together as opposed to other known quantities like Steve and Juan.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
Deonte has disappointed all season long and Dawson hasn't played. We are essentially trading Deonte for Luke, nothing more nothing less. I think we'll be better than we are now, though I've gone through this season with zero expectations and I'm not going to change that philosophy now.
This absolutely has been my philosophy since Buzz left, Wojo was hired and Cohen was the only recruit who followed through on attending Marquette.
Frankly, with the showing in Orlando and with hanging close to Wisconsin, we ALREADY have exceeded my expectations for this season. Anything good we get out of this season will be a huge bonus in my eyes. It's all about 2015-16 and especially 2016-17.
Dawson will not be missed. That sounds harsh, but from a basketball sense it's totally true.
Burton has talent -- he's not Charles Barkley, as some here tried to claim, but he has talent. He probably will do well elsewhere. But he sucked this season; non-basketball reasons might have contributed to that but it doesn't make it less true.
I wish Deonte had stayed, but as we well know, this stuff happens.
The year after Blankson left, we went to the Final Four. We made the NCAAs five straight years after Mbakwe left. Maymon left and his father said, "They didn't want to play the game right, so now we're gonna watch them lose every game." We didn't lose every game; we went S16-E8.
Good programs survive. Great programs overcome and thrive.
We've got four real good freshmen coming in to join some guys who will be very good veterans. I remain very high on Marquette basketball.
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
This absolutely has been my philosophy since Buzz left, Wojo was hired and Cohen was the only recruit who followed through on attending Marquette.
Frankly, with the showing in Orlando and with hanging close to Wisconsin, we ALREADY have exceeded my expectations for this season. Anything good we get out of this season will be a huge bonus in my eyes. It's all about 2015-16 and especially 2016-17.
Dawson will not be missed. That sounds harsh, but from a basketball sense it's totally true.
Burton has talent -- he's not Charles Barkley, as some here tried to claim, but he has talent. He probably will do well elsewhere. But he sucked this season; non-basketball reasons might have contributed to that but it doesn't make it less true.
I wish Deonte had stayed, but as we well know, this stuff happens.
The year after Blankson left, we went to the Final Four. We made the NCAAs five straight years after Mbakwe left. Maymon left and his father said, "They didn't want to play the game right, so now we're gonna watch them lose every game." We didn't lose every game; we went S16-E8.
Good programs survive. Great programs overcome and thrive.
We've got four real good freshmen coming in to join some guys who will be very good veterans. I remain very high on Marquette basketball.
Lock down scoop for the night. All you need is this post right here.
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
This absolutely has been my philosophy since Buzz left, Wojo was hired and Cohen was the only recruit who followed through on attending Marquette.
Frankly, with the showing in Orlando and with hanging close to Wisconsin, we ALREADY have exceeded my expectations for this season. Anything good we get out of this season will be a huge bonus in my eyes. It's all about 2015-16 and especially 2016-17.
Dawson will not be missed. That sounds harsh, but from a basketball sense it's totally true.
Burton has talent -- he's not Charles Barkley, as some here tried to claim, but he has talent. He probably will do well elsewhere. But he sucked this season; non-basketball reasons might have contributed to that but it doesn't make it less true.
I wish Deonte had stayed, but as we well know, this stuff happens.
The year after Blankson left, we went to the Final Four. We made the NCAAs five straight years after Mbakwe left. Maymon left and his father said, "They didn't want to play the game right, so now we're gonna watch them lose every game." We didn't lose every game; we went S16-E8.
Good programs survive. Great programs overcome and thrive.
We've got four real good freshmen coming in to join some guys who will be very good veterans. I remain very high on Marquette basketball.
Good Post. I still wish Levin hadn't left though....
Quote from: chapman on December 09, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
Wojo self-imposed a one scholarship penalty on the program for failure to recruit. Started with 12 instead of 13, three departures and one sitting transfer leaving eight players. We should have another developing freshman or a Juco on board, or at very minimum another transfer sitting out so 7+ new faces don't have to be brought in next year. Uphill battle with a new coach, new staff, limited time to recruit - but should never happen again.
I disagree.
With the late hire, he would have imposed more of a penalty on himself by taking a player just to fill a roster spot. That means he would have that guy for 4 years and we would have one less spot available for a player that he really wanted.
There are none, hey?