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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Wojo'sMojo on December 06, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24871650/big-ten-moving-league-hoops-tourney-to-madison-square-garden-in-2018
This doesn't seem like good news for the BE ?-(
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Did you read the article?
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Did you read the article?
I did, did you? We were the only conference that got to hold their conference tournament at MSG. Now, the Big Ten will get to play there, diminishing some of the shine of our conference tourney imo.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24871650/big-ten-moving-league-hoops-tourney-to-madison-square-garden-in-2018
This doesn't seem like good news for the BE ?-(
Represents everything that's wrong with college sports. The Big 10 is the midwest. It has no business being on the east coast. They need to stay in Indy or Chicago. But hey, since they added Rutgers (Rutgers???), apparently they now "own" NYC ::). It's a joke and a money grab. But that's college sports today. Screw logic and tradition.
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So they mess up their conference schedule to have their tournament a week earlier just so they can get in MSG? And yet some Big Tweleventeen fans will still say MSG isn't a big deal for the Big East.
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I did, did you? We were the only conference that got to hold their conference tournament at MSG. Now, the Big Ten will get to play there, diminishing some of the shine of our conference tourney imo.
Yes I did. It affects us in zero way. We play our BE tournament the same time as always during championship week.
It is the BIG10 that will be playing a week early and having a long lay off til the real tourney.
This is not bad news for the BE in any way
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Yes I did. It affects us in zero way. We play our BE tournament the same time as always during championship week.
It is the BIG10 that will be playing a week early and having a long lay off til the real tourney.
This is not bad news for the BE in any way
I disagree. MSG is the premier arena in the country and the BE had it all to themselves. Now, the Big Ten is invading our territory. If the Big Ten wants to bump us out of MSG after our contract runs out, this could be the first step.
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I disagree. MSG is the premier arena in the country and the BE had it all to themselves. Now, the Big Ten is invading our territory. If the Big Ten wants to bump us out of MSG after our contract runs out, this could be the first step.
Pretty sure they are going to continually be rotating to different sites each year.
And this just makes them look bad. Trying to share a tournament site with another conference? And play a week earlier?
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They're going to play it a week earlier, with the mid-majors, to have the chance to play it in MSG in what appears to be a "rotation"? Seems more like desperation than a threat. Nice that the BE locked into the contract when it did. Yeah, we'll be lucky to get an extension to the agreement, but it's a decade away.
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I don't know if MSG will want to give up the regular booking with the Big East just to get an occasional piece of the big ten rotation of sites.
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Pretty sure they are going to continually be rotating to different sites each year.
And this just makes them look bad. Trying to share a tournament site with another conference? And play a week earlier?
I think it could turn out very good for them. They will be competing against the mid majors for viewers that week and should get a lot of exposure. Would much rather watch the Big Ten tourney than the Horizon. Maybe it's much ado about nothing, but I guarantee the higher ups in the BE were less than thrilled when they heard this news.
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I think the BE knew about it and was OK with it. I have mentioned this earlier, but the BE seems to be aligning itself with the B10.
For instance, the Gavitt Tip Off games.
http://www.bigten.org/genrel/050514aaa.html
And as I have mentioned, the B10 might see a significant number of their games on Fox and FS1 in future years as well.
I don't view this as a bad thing at all.
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That's right, the Big Ten will have their tournament at MSG as a warm up before the Big East conference tournament which is a week later. The Big Ten tournament will be the same time as the mid major tournaments across the country. Sounds about right.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2014/12/06/madison-square-garden-hosts-big-ten-tournament-2018
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see that it was already posted below. My apologies.
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Pretty sure they are going to continually be rotating to different sites each year.
And this just makes them look bad. Trying to share a tournament site with another conference? And play a week earlier?
Well, we all know the mighty Big 10 does what it wants, when and how it wants.
Classy bunch.
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I watch almost no Mini however many regular-season games (don't get much entertainment value out of them) and that'll continue to whenever they hold their postseason tourney. I'd happily watch the final weekend of regular seasons games in the BE, Pac 12, SEC, B12, etc. Besides the MU and other BE games, that weekend this year has Duke - NC, UVA - UL, KU - OU, Stan - UA, Florida - UK. That's 10 games I'll get more entertainment value out of than the new alternative.
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I watch almost no Mini however many regular-season games (don't get much entertainment value out of them) and that'll continue to whenever they hold their postseason tourney. I'd happily watch the final weekend of regular seasons games in the BE, Pac 12, SEC, B12, etc. Besides the MU and other BE games, that weekend this year has Duke - NC, UVA - UL, KU - OU, Stan - UA, Florida - UK. That's 10 games I'll get more entertainment value out of than the new alternative.
It's one year. And it'll get big ratings...probably bigger than usual. As you said you don't watch many regular season games. It will be the only tournament on - no competition from the ACC, first time in New York, etc.
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I think it could turn out very good for them. They will be competing against the mid majors for viewers that week and should get a lot of exposure. Would much rather watch the Big Ten tourney than the Horizon. Maybe it's much ado about nothing, but I guarantee the higher ups in the BE were less than thrilled when they heard this news.
No interest in either one. If you're that hard up for entertainment, try reading a book or going to the movies.
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This is all good for the BE. The B1G will not be leaaving its base for NYC. Rotation among Chicago, Indy, and now DC and NYC is the plan for the B1G. And the best part is the acknowledgment (and all the pub) that MSG is the premier BBall spot the weekend before the BE tourney.
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I've always wondered how much of an advantage playing in the Garden for the conference tournament is for the BEast member schools. Obviously adds some prestige and brings in a little more moola. I don't thing the B1G playing there will lessen that. It might help the B1G for a season but it helps us every season.
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Hate to insert some reality here, but you're all forgetting that the ACC is in the Barclays Center for their tournament in 2018.
The acknowledgement (and all the pub) won't be around MSG as the premier venue--it will be about NYC as the premier city. And the Big East will get third place billing in the storyline about the B1G/ACC back-to-back tournaments in the same city.
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Really, who cares?
The value/level of interest in the tourney is going to be determined almost entirely by the quality of the teams and matchups, not the building in which the games are played. I doubt very many people are tuning into a game because of its location.
To put it another way, Duke-UNC in Greensboro is going to attract a lot more attention than Clemson-Virginia Tech at the Barclay.
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1. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
2. Of little consequence to the BE.
The correct answer, of course, is 2.
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Really, who cares?
The value/level of interest in the tourney is going to be determined almost entirely by the quality of the teams and matchups, not the building in which the games are played. I doubt very many people are tuning into a game because of its location.
To put it another way, Duke-UNC in Greensboro is going to attract a lot more attention than Clemson-Virginia Tech at the Barclay.
I don't think I recall anyone ever before arguing that the value/level of interest is almost entirely due to the quality of teams and match ups. If you're correct, any discussion here about keeping the Big East Tournament in MSG is irrational, as we could move the Big East tournament to Omaha or Milwaukee in 2018 and get just as much attention (due to the quality of teams and matchups) as we would by playing in MSG.
Frankly, I don't think you're giving due consideration to the fact that that every media outlet's A-team will be able to set up camp in New York for the better part of two straight weeks to cover the ACC and Big Ten tournaments. As far as I know, it will be the first time the media will be able to cover two major conference tournaments with the same top-tier crews. Usually the media has to split coverage as the ACC and Big Ten tournaments are running at the same time. And those guys have to be more excited about two weeks in NYC than a week in Salt Lake or Boise followed by a week in Greensboro or Indianapolis.
We'll know for sure in 2018, but I can easily imagine Dick Vitale hyping "the greatest two weeks of basketball in NYC since Lew Alcincor!" referring to the back-to-back tournaments.
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1. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
2. Of little consequence to the BE.
The correct answer, of course, is 2.
Nobody said the sky was falling ::) I swear, the stupidity and arrogance of some people on here is laughable.
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I don't think I recall anyone ever before arguing that the value/level of interest is almost entirely due to the quality of teams and match ups. If you're correct, any discussion here about keeping the Big East Tournament in MSG is irrational, as we could move the Big East tournament to Omaha or Milwaukee in 2018 and get just as much attention (due to the quality of teams and matchups) as we would by playing in MSG.
What discussion here about keeping the Big East Tournament in MSG? I'm not aware of any suggestion here - or elsewhere - that the BE tournament move to Omaha or Milwaukee .... at least until you just raised it.
The discussion here is about the Big ?? holding its tourney occasionally in MSG and how that would somehow damage the BE brand.
Frankly, I don't think you're giving due consideration to the fact that that every media outlet's A-team will be able to set up camp in New York for the better part of two straight weeks to cover the ACC and Big Ten tournaments. As far as I know, it will be the first time the media will be able to cover two major conference tournaments with the same top-tier crews. Usually the media has to split coverage as the ACC and Big Ten tournaments are running at the same time. And those guys have to be more excited about two weeks in NYC than a week in Salt Lake or Boise followed by a week in Greensboro or Indianapolis.
That's great for the networks and their announcers, I guess, but I don't see how that's bad for the Big East.
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The Big Ten is trying to be something they aren't . Rutgers is not a NYC team and no one cares about it in the area.
Yes I think they will do well with their tournament in NY in 2018 simply because they have 14 teams and a ton of alumni in the NY area , so they will be able to get some bodies in the arena. However, there simply is no tradition with the Big Ten tournament and will likely continue to be seen as a money grab. The thing that made the Big Ten great was the double round robin format. The regular season always had much more value and the enthusiasm for the schools for those last few games of the regular season was high.
I think moving the tournament around is a mistake . Keep it in Chicago where it is easily accessible and not dependent on high prices hotels the way NY is.
The Big East has to continue to deliver quality teams . St. John's Georegtown and Villanova need to do well every year in the tournament. Our conference trajectory is based on performance and excitement of the tournament. The local element makes that easier . Having one or more teams from Marquette, Xavier, Butler or Creighton in the top 25 is essential too.
The Big Ten will have very little impact on us. Our destiny is in our teams hands.
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The Big Ten tournament is doing just fine. Last I saw the numbers, it is the most watched of all conference tournaments. In 2013, each of its semifinals outdrew the BE Championship and its Championship had twice the audience of the ACC's.
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What discussion here about keeping the Big East Tournament in MSG? I'm not aware of any suggestion here - or elsewhere - that the BE tournament move to Omaha or Milwaukee .... at least until you just raised it. The discussion here is about the Big ?? holding its tourney occasionally in MSG and how that would somehow damage the BE brand.
The reason there is no discussion about moving the Big East Tournament from MSG is because your idea that venue doesn't matter is wrong.
And you actually invited the discussion by saying that "The value/level of interest in the tourney is going to be determined almost entirely by the quality of the teams and matchups, not the building in which the games are played."
I'm merely pointing out that for you to truly believe that, then you have to believe that it wouldn't matter if the BET was played in Omaha or Milwaukee.
The discussion here is about the Big ?? holding its tourney occasionally in MSG and how that would somehow damage the BE brand.
That's great for the networks and their announcers, I guess, but I don't see how that's bad for the Big East.
Here's two possibilities for starters:
1. Media has a fixed amount of time to fill. With two major conference hosting back-to-back tournaments in New York for the first time, they will devote air time to the event-driven nature of the "back-to-back-in-NY" story arc. That leaves less time for everyone else including the Big East.
2. The co-location of the three tournaments in the same city will invite direct comparisons, which are likely be unfavorable to the Big East. Especially from the A-team reporters from media outlets across the country who are in town to cover the Big Ten and ACC.