Okay, I know people are worked up after a loss to our rivals but I guess I was expecting it so not as upset as others. I wanted to go a different direction. Anyone see where the AAC is ranked right now in RPI:
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/conferencenpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/conferencenpi)
TENTH! Wow. Sans Louisville I can we can all agree we did the right thing breaking off from the AAC. I don't think in it's worst year the Big East will ever be tenth in conference RPI. That is poor.
The Big East is really strong. If MU was a typical MU team this year, it may be the best overall. Unfortunately, MU's 0-3 vs Big Ten is the difference. Butler beating N'western, Seton Hall blows out Rutgers. St. Johns beating Syracuse. If MU can get close to .500 in the conference, I would expect a NIT bid or equivalent based solely on RPI and SOS.
Conference had a great weekend, sans our contributions. Key wins:
Creighton beats Nebraska by 10 in Lincoln
Seton Hall worked Rutgers by 25. That Whitehead kid starting to look good as he poured in 25
Butler beats Northwestern by 10
St. John's knocks off Syracuse by 12 at the Carrier Dome
Xavier put up 97 against an improved Alabama side and wins by 12
The Big East is going to give our RPI a decent boost this year. RPI has Big East currently second. Going 10-8 is going to be difficult in this improved Big East.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 07, 2014, 08:29:05 PM
Conference had a great weekend, sans our contributions. Key wins:
Creighton beats Nebraska by 10 in Lincoln
Seton Hall worked Rutgers by 25. That Whitehead kid starting to look good as he poured in 25
Butler beats Northwestern by 10
St. John's knocks off Syracuse by 12 at the Carrier Dome
Xavier put up 97 against an improved Alabama side and wins by 12
The Big East is going to give our RPI a decent boost this year. RPI has Big East currently second. Going 10-8 is going to be difficult in this improved Big East.
Winning beats losing for sure. None of the teams that BE tes beat will make the NCAA tournament. There are "resume builders" and there are "taking care of business wins."
I have always felt this conference would be very strong. It is nice to see our brethren doing well. Our destiny is in our own hands . If we do well in our conference season we will be in the tournament discussion. I continue to think 7-2 at home and 3-6 on the road is our mission. It is going to be tough as every game is going to be a battle.
Quote from: Atticus on December 07, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
Winning beats losing for sure. None of the teams that BE tes beat will make the NCAA tournament. There are "resume builders" and there are "taking care of business wins."
Any true road win is a resume builder, especially when it was against Nebraska and Cuse...
BE just keeps racking up wins. CBS with four BE teams in its top 18: Villanova (7), SJU (15), Butler (17), Georgetown (18).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/top25
Big games this week:
Tue Villanova vs. Illinois (in NYC)
Tue Seton Hall @ Wichita State
Wed Georgetown vs. Kansas
And some not so big, but would help to get wins:
Wed Providence vs. Rhode Island
Sat Xavier @ Mizzou
Sat Creighton vs. St. Mary's
Quote from: chapman on December 07, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
BE just keeps racking up wins. CBS with four BE teams in its top 18: Villanova (7), SJU (15), Butler (17), Georgetown (18).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/top25
Big games this week:
Tue Villanova vs. Illinois (in NYC)
Tue Seton Hall @ Wichita State
Wed Georgetown vs. Kansas
And some not so big, but would help to get wins:
Wed Providence vs. Rhode Island
Sat Xavier @ Mizzou
Sat Creighton vs. St. Mary's
Providence vs. Rhode Island is actually a pretty big game. RI is good and very likely will walk away with the win.
IM very skeptical on butler being ranked. Are they really that good. They dont look very good. GT,SJU, SH, should all have a number by their names next week.
All I see is a lot of opportunities for MU to build a resume.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 07, 2014, 10:50:26 PM
IM very skeptical on butler being ranked. Are they really that good. They dont look very good. GT,SJU, SH, should all have a number by their names next week.
From what I saw from their wins against UNC and G-Town, they definitely seem like a 20-25 ranked team. Granted I think UNC was way overrated at the time but Butler has a good mix of athleticism, a great shooter in Dunham, and leadership on D from Barlow. They get after it, but they are only 7-8 men deep.
Quote from: Atticus on December 07, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
Winning beats losing for sure. None of the teams that BE tes beat will make the NCAA tournament. There are "resume builders" and there are "taking care of business wins."
I think Syracuse and Nebraska both have a decent shot at making the tournament. Beating them on the road is a great win.
The problem the BEast will run into is that we will eat each other alive. With only one clearly dominate team (Villanova) and a bunch of very good teams, there will be a lot of conference records close to .500. Even the assumed cellar dwellers of Seton Hall, Depaul, and...sigh...Marquette are good enough to steal several wins from the good teams.
Meanwhile Radford beat VA Tech Sunday
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Virginia Tech and Radford are separated by 12 miles, and the Hokies dominate the media interest in the area because of the success of their football program.
But following Sunday's basketball game between the two schools, Radford is going to see some love come its way.
R.J. Price scored 25 points to lift the Highlanders to a 68–66 victory over Virginia Tech (4–4).
The win marked just the second ever for Radford over Virginia Tech, and the Highlanders' first victory ever over an ACC school in 25 attempts.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2014, 08:25:58 AM
The problem the BEast will run into is that we will eat each other alive. With only one clearly dominate team (Villanova) and a bunch of very good teams, there will be a lot of conference records close to .500. Even the assumed cellar dwellers of Seton Hall, Depaul, and...sigh...Marquette are good enough to steal several wins from the good teams.
True, but with how good the conference has performed in the non-conference schedule, 10-8 in the Big East might be enough to get you in the NCAA this year, if you have a couple non-conference signature wins (which MU does not). For a team like Butler, who has a W over North Carolina, they probably only need to go 10-8 to get in.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 08, 2014, 09:11:42 AM
True, but with how good the conference has performed in the non-conference schedule, 10-8 in the Big East might be enough to get you in the NCAA this year, if you have a couple non-conference signature wins (which MU does not). For a team like Butler, who has a W over North Carolina, they probably only need to go 10-8 to get in.
If we can win out in non-conference play, I think 11-7 in BE would be the target for us to have a shot at the tourney. That would put us at 19-11 overall going into BET and hopefully would get our RPI into the low 40s or so, and with wins against a couple of the decent BE teams. 10-8 might do it if we grab a couple of big upsets against Nova and whoever else ends up at the top of the heap.
But, that's a lot of looking forward. Gotta play a bunch of 'em out first...
Quote from: MUMountin on December 08, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
If we can win out in non-conference play, I think 11-7 in BE would be the target for us to have a shot at the tourney. That would put us at 19-11 overall going into BET and hopefully would get our RPI into the low 40s or so, and with wins against a couple of the decent BE teams. 10-8 might do it if we grab a couple of big upsets against Nova and whoever else ends up at the top of the heap.
But, that's a lot of looking forward. Gotta play a bunch of 'em out first...
I agree 11-7 is probably enough, but we need at least a couple signature wins. That would have to include a win over Nova or another ranked team. Right now we have none.
Out of curiosity, why is this considered "OT," because its not about Derrick Wlison's playing time (even though I'm sure it soon will be)?
Quote from: MUMountin on December 08, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
If we can win out in non-conference play, I think 11-7 in BE would be the target for us to have a shot at the tourney. That would put us at 19-11 overall going into BET and hopefully would get our RPI into the low 40s or so, and with wins against a couple of the decent BE teams. 10-8 might do it if we grab a couple of big upsets against Nova and whoever else ends up at the top of the heap.
But, that's a lot of looking forward. Gotta play a bunch of 'em out first...
I think at 19-11, we would need probably 2 wins in the BE tournament to get in. But a lot depends on what the other bubble teams do at season's end.
Quote from: brandx on December 08, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
I think at 19-11, we would need probably 2 wins in the BE tournament to get in. But a lot depends on what the other bubble teams do at season's end.
19-11 would give us an RPI around 42. That could very well be good enough, but I'd want at least 1 win in the BET to be safe.
I really hope we become "team bubble" this year and this all becomes relevant, but right now Pomeroy has us 9th in the Big East and the 8th team is 56 spots higher (#53) than us. Luke better be really good.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
I really hope we become "team bubble" this year and this all becomes relevant, but right now Pomeroy has us 9th in the Big East and the 8th team is 56 spots higher (#53) than us. Luke better be really good.
That could be one nice additional factor, if we play really well with Luke added--the committee should discount the early season losses for being without him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
I really hope we become "team bubble" this year and this all becomes relevant, but right now Pomeroy has us 9th in the Big East and the 8th team is 56 spots higher (#53) than us. Luke better be really good.
Lenny, when I talk about 19-11, I am giving best-case.
When I talk about being better than 9th place, (I think) I am talking reality. I just don't think the BE is THAT great that the 9th place team is going to be competitive in back-to back games against highly ranked opponents.
Providence beat Florida State, Notre Dame, and Yale in consecutive games. Now they lost by 9 to BC and 10 to Brown. Ick.
And we are taking DePaul's place this year.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 08, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
That could be one nice additional factor, if we play really well with Luke added--the committee should discount the early season losses for being without him.
Yes - this is key.
Quote from: chapman on December 09, 2014, 07:38:08 PM
Providence beat Florida State, Notre Dame, and Yale in consecutive games. Now they lost by 9 to BC and 10 to Brown. Ick.
Now they beat URI. Quite the erratic team.
Unfortunately Georgetown came up short in a chance to get a signature win against Kansas.
Quote from: chapman on December 07, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
BE just keeps racking up wins. CBS with four BE teams in its top 18: Villanova (7), SJU (15), Butler (17), Georgetown (18).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/top25
Big games this week:
Tue Villanova vs. Illinois (in NYC)
Tue Seton Hall @ Wichita State
Wed Georgetown vs. Kansas
And some not so big, but would help to get wins:
Wed Providence vs. Rhode Island
Sat Xavier @ Mizzou
Sat Creighton vs. St. Mary's
Well, the conference is doing what it is supposed to at this point during the week. Holding serve, but both G-town and the Hall fell short on their chances for some nice additional signature wins for the conference. As it is, Providence has the only remaining non-conference game against a currently ranked opponent (Miami at home on 12/22). Otherwise, we'll just have to hope everyone keeps racking up wins to keep raising the profile of the league going into conference play. Get Nova, Butler, St Johns, Georgetown, Seton Hall all higher in the rankings to give the rest of us some targets in conference play.
Well, Nebraska just lost to a team called Incarnate Word. Couple that with the debacle in Ann Arbor and the Big10 is not getting better any time fast.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
I really hope we become "team bubble" this year and this all becomes relevant, but right now Pomeroy has us 9th in the Big East and the 8th team is 56 spots higher (#53) than us. Luke better be really good.
Honestly, it's not just how good Luke is, but how good he is for us. An effective big man could average 5/5 and make mountains of difference if he helps seal the lane for drivers, give a threat of altering shots on defense, and allow guys like Steve, Juan, Sandy and Jajuan to play in more natural positions. I still think he could have made mountains of difference for Deonte. Unfortunately, we'll never know :(