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Feel free to move this to the Superbar, but I thought it was relevant to MU Basketball, considering Buzz apparently left because he felt that the Big East would not be successful long term, wouldn't be able to recruit, etc.
Buzz says that he believes the P65 (ACC, SEC, Big 12, B1G and PAC 12) will separate from the NCAA "very soon" and "sooner rather than later". He also thinks the "rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer".
Sounds like the sky is falling, Scoopers! ::)
Hiroshima has finally happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Feel free to move this to the Superbar, but I thought it was relevant to MU Basketball, considering Buzz apparently left because he felt that the Big East would not be successful long term, wouldn't be able to recruit, etc.
Buzz says that he believes the P65 (ACC, SEC, Big 12, B1G and PAC 12) will separate from the NCAA "very soon" and "sooner rather than later". He also thinks the "rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer".
Sounds like the sky is falling, Scoopers! ::)
That may or may not happen. Football seems to run everything. But the ACC may be "Power" when it comes to basketball, but football--not so much. Even if the are a so called "power 5 conference."
I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.
Dear lord, he is such an arrogant tool. I cant believe I put the blinders on the past 3 years. I hope he never makes another NCAA tourney again.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1398416/hiroshima-o.gif)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 10:36:34 AM
I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.
Considering the amount of hand-written mail he sends, why would you think otherwise?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 10:36:34 AM
I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.
Because this summer, he memorized every NCAA President in order.
I wonder how much of the "happening sooner than later" talk is to further justify his move to a turd (no pun intended) program...
Paint touches is going off on him on twitter right now.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 04, 2014, 10:38:14 AM
Dear lord, he is such an arrogant tool. I cant believe I put the blinders on the past 3 years. I hope he never makes another NCAA tourney again.
I
can believe you put the blinders on, as did I and many (most?) MU fans.
We are fans. We were winning. We were entertaining. We were proud to go S16-S16-E8. Buzz was even fun, in his weird way. By the very definition of fandom, we are supposed to support our coach and our program.
For three decades, Indiana fans LOVED perhaps the biggest douchebag in the history of coaching. That's what fans do.
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
+1
This is painfully transparent. Buzz is trying to justify/rationalize/explain his move to the bottom of the ACC by arguing it is better than being part of a conference that will be "left behind."
doth protest too much!
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
I can believe you put the blinders on, as did I and many (most?) MU fans.
For three decades, Indiana fans LOVED perhaps the biggest douchebag in the history of coaching. That's what fans do.
Has Crean been at IU for three decades??
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
That's assuming it was entirely his decision to leave.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 04, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
Because this summer, he memorized every NCAA President in order.
So annoying. Even if he did, why feel the need to tell everyone about it. Like when he says they practiced for 37 minutes, worked out for 22.5 minutes, etc. My freaking high school coach had practice down to the minute, but I don't remember him walking around telling everyone about it. Right now I'm sure the Va Tech faithful are falling in love with his story about being down to $20 and handing out resumes at the final four. Or how he sleeps in his office. Don't get me wrong, great story teller, but he can't wait to tell everyone about it. Aww shucks, I's jus tryin to get a job. $%#! You.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.
However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)
It's gonna be so exciting finding out who the 1 team left out of the tourney is. Drama all season!
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 04, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
It's gonna be so exciting finding out who the 1 team left out of the tourney is. Drama all season!
Probably VT
Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 04, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
I wonder how much of the "happening sooner than later" talk is to further justify his move to a turd (no pun intended) program...
bingo, I think he is trying to convince himself and everyone else that this was the right move for his career, even if it clearly wasn't.
Now, it is in his best interests to promote a breakaway as that would be the only thing that would mean his move made any sense.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 04, 2014, 11:19:17 AM
Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.
However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)
FWIW, I think Paint Touches is a good stat to track, but I agree with what you are saying about how Buzz sees himself.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on December 04, 2014, 10:33:21 AM
Hiroshima has finally happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not until Ron Paul shows up...
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 04, 2014, 11:19:17 AM
Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.
However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)
Agreed--I think this explains a lot about his mentality. He thought he could read the writing on the wall about the P5 and was worried about MU getting left out in the cold. So he decided he needed to get into that club ASAP. He might be right, and it could be a shrewd move, albeit rather premature in my book--its not like the P5 schools won't hire people from outside their ranks if they do leave, so I don't know why he needed to make the jump yet, especially for VT.
Not sure it explains why he went to VT of all the P5 schools, as he surely could have found a better gig than that. But, that might be the other part of his nature: once he thinks he "knows" something, it is difficult for him to ignore it, and he has to act immediately, even if might be prudent to wait a little longer. Leaving the New Orleans gig after one season to take a step back to an assistant's role would seem to demonstrate that.
2024. This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament. I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS. Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences.
The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools. The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.
maybe Brent will be like Bielema, looking to bail after a few years in that 'dream' conference
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 04, 2014, 11:19:17 AM
Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.
However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)
I agree to some extent about him being sharp, but I really don't get what went into "calculations" and "analysis" of Virginia Tech. His worries about Marquette being left behind are fair, but why jump to Virginia Tech? It's not like the split was 1 year out and his rush proved to be a big mistake right off the bat when Mizzou and Tennessee opened up.
Quote from: LAZER on December 04, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
I agree to some extent about him being sharp, but I really don't get what went into "calculations" and "analysis" of Virginia Tech. His worries about Marquette being left behind are fair, but why jump to Virginia Tech? It's not like the split was 1 year out and his rush proved to be a big mistake right off the bat when Mizzou and Tennessee opened up.
Virginia Tech had an athletic director that his friend, Mick Cronin, enjoyed working for. He is getting paid plenty. He still gets to play the underdog role that he likes. I can see how this made complete sense in his mind.
Quote from: LAZER on December 04, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
I agree to some extent about him being sharp, but I really don't get what went into "calculations" and "analysis" of Virginia Tech. His worries about Marquette being left behind are fair, but why jump to Virginia Tech? It's not like the split was 1 year out and his rush proved to be a big mistake right off the bat when Mizzou and Tennessee opened up.
You have to divorce Buzz the smart guy from Buzz the salesman. Buzz, while not forced was certainly made to feel uncomfortable at MU and it wouldn't get better for him. So he decided he needed to find a safe place to land, and VT makes all the sense in the world if you want to build something in your own image and have no expectations whatsoever.
Buzz the salesman knows that line doesn't play with the public and with recruits so he creates a cockamamie narrative about how he's out on the thought curve regarding the changing landscape and why MU was a terrible choice. These soundbites are for recruits and parents, not statements of "truth"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM
2024. This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament. I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS. Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences.
The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools. The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.
Great point. Basketball is way different than football. I think nationally there's as much interest (or more) in the collective Butlers and Davidsons of the world than in which P5 school beats another P5 school in some quarterfinal bracket. Obviously football playoffs must be winnowed down to even be possible. I suppose the question is whether in 2024 they value the historic 64 team field (or whatever it is now) over a watered down P5. Perhaps the compromise is some form of tiered payout with big conferences getting a disproportionate share of the money.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 04, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
You have to divorce Buzz the smart guy from Buzz the salesman. Buzz, while not forced was certainly made to feel uncomfortable at MU and it wouldn't get better for him. So he decided he needed to find a safe place to land, and VT makes all the sense in the world if you want to build something in your own image and have no expectations whatsoever.
Buzz the salesman knows that line doesn't play with the public and with recruits so he creates a cockamamie narrative about how he's out on the thought curve regarding the changing landscape and why MU was a terrible choice. These soundbites are for recruits and parents, not statements of "truth"
+1.
Buzzed wasn't officially forced. But many were dancing the the halls at Zilber.
Let's not overcomplicate this...
Buzz was an excellent coach at Marquette who wore out his welcome.
A coach who wears out his welcome at a program rarely goes on to immediately take a better job.
Va Tech is a football school who was willing to take a chance on a basketball coach who can occasionally rub administrators the wrong way.
BC, Cal, Missouri, Oregon State, Tennessee, Wake Forest and Washington State were all looking for a new coach. All are P5 programs and all are better programs that Va Tech. None of these schools were interested in Buzz.
Clearly events took place in the last 12-15 months that sullied Buzz's reputation.
No one in the college basketball world considers Va Tech to be a step up from Marquette but Buzz needs a somewhat plausible justification for leaving his position to take a lesser one.
Quote from: jsglow on December 04, 2014, 12:38:47 PM
But many were dancing the the halls at Zilber.
To "Country Roads"?
Part of the reason I could see him feeling like he needs to come out and say this now is because of the whole narrative thats been written about the Big East this early in the season. Many sportswriters and analysts have been talking about how great the Big East has been so far, some have even said its been the best conference this early in the season.
With this narrative being written, he probably feels as though he has to provide more justification and something else to slam it on.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 04, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
BC, Cal, Missouri, Oregon State, Tennessee, Wake Forest and Washington State were all looking for a new coach. All are P5 programs and all are better programs that Va Tech. None of these schools were interested in Buzz.
Hold on...
The Cal, Missouri, Oregon State and Teneessee jobs opened up after Buzz already took the Virginia Tech job.
Wake Forest opened up the day before Buzz left.
Washington State (not to mention Oregon State) are not better programs anyway.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM
2024. This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament. I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS. Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences.
The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools. The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.
I'll be really curious to see how publicly funded enterprises view football in 10 years. I truly believe that the evolving head trauma research and education is going to have a lot of publicly funded institutions questioning the value, expense (liability insurance will continue to sky-rocket) and ethics of using tax money to support the sport. Don't get me wrong, I love watching football, but the tide seems to be changing.
I think football will survive, but I don't know that it survives within tax-supported schools long-term.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
Hold on...
The Cal, Missouri, Oregon State and Teneessee jobs opened up after Buzz already took the Virginia Tech job.
Wake Forest opened up the day before Buzz left.
Washington State (not to mention Oregon State) are not better programs anyway.
Fair enough. The fact remains, Buzz took a job very early in the offseason despite it being likely that better jobs would open up. He needed to get out and knew that the bigger offers weren't going to come.
Washington State and Oregon State are better programs than Va Tech.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 04, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
Washington State and Oregon State are better programs than Va Tech.
No they aren't.
Oregon State's facilities are considered some of the worst in Power 5 athletics. They are in a crappy little cow-town, miles away from any fertile recruiting. And their past success is decades in the past.
Washington State is better that OSU, in that they have better facilities and a more recent history, but it is still isolated.
I think both of those schools would have been thrilled with Buzz Williams.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 04, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
Fair enough. The fact remains, Buzz took a job very early in the offseason despite it being likely that better jobs would open up. He needed to get out and knew that the bigger offers weren't going to come.
Washington State and Oregon State are better programs than Va Tech.
Wrong. You are fooling yourself if you think Tenn, for example, would not love to have Buzz as HC. Buzz was fine with VT because he knew the AD, would have complete control of the program and Buzz feels he can compete in the ACC. The latter point is debatable.
Buzz Williams will do just fine at VT just as Marquette will do just fine without him.
Seriously, if you think a good recruiter who has sent kids on to the NBA with a S16-S16-E8 run in very recent history who also happens to get his team playing at a great effort level won't have success simply because of the lack of previous success at VT is irrational at best.
That said, I can't think MU is worse for ware with a top 5 recruiting class coming in, top of the line facilities, a quality basketball conference and a commitment to basketball few other schools offer.
With the exception of last season, the Buzz Williams era was a success. Fortunately our tradjectory doesn't seem to have diminished with his departure.
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
Has Crean been at IU for three decades??
C'mon, Crash, I said LOVED!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM
2024. This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament. I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS. Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences.
The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools. The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.
This is good to hear, though I hope it is more ironclad than most coaches' contracts, NFL players' contracts and many other contracts in sports that seem written to be broken.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM
The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
You television guys are smart and Buzz Williams is stupid. Right.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
Oregon State's facilities are considered some of the worst in Power 5 athletics. They are in a crappy little cow-town, miles away from any fertile recruiting. And their past success is decades in the past.
While I won't argue with the assessment of facilities and history, I'd say a city that ranks in the top 10 nationally for resident education, alternative transportation, and work-life balance is a little better than "a crappy little cow-town." (Sorry, a tad emotional about the Riley to Nebraska announcement.)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 04, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
You television guys are smart and Buzz Williams is stupid. Right.
I don't think Chicos statement was inaccurate. I don't think Buzz is dumb, he's very sly but those TV guys know how to make money.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 04, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
I don't think Chicos statement was inaccurate. I don't think Buzz is dumb, he's very sly but those TV guys know how to make money.
As does the NCAA, as do university presidents.
Quote from: Marquette_g on December 04, 2014, 12:49:44 PM
I'll be really curious to see how publicly funded enterprises view football in 10 years. I truly believe that the evolving head trauma research and education is going to have a lot of publicly funded institutions questioning the value, expense (liability insurance will continue to sky-rocket) and ethics of using tax money to support the sport. Don't get me wrong, I love watching football, but the tide seems to be changing.
I think football will survive, but I don't know that it survives within tax-supported schools long-term.
When Ma and Pa Boomer stop paying the cable bill, it's going to be chaos in those P5 presidents meetings.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 04, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
I don't think Chicos statement was inaccurate. I don't think Buzz is dumb, he's very sly but those TV guys know how to make money.
I don't think too many of those TV guys make the type of money Buzz makes.
Quote from: jsglow on December 04, 2014, 12:38:47 PM
+1.
Buzzed wasn't officially forced. But many were dancing the the halls at Zilber.
And Hitler was never voted out of office
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on December 04, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
While I won't argue with the assessment of facilities and history, I'd say a city that ranks in the top 10 nationally for resident education, alternative transportation, and work-life balance is a little better than "a crappy little cow-town." (Sorry, a tad emotional about the Riley to Nebraska announcement.)
Yeah, that was a little harsh.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
Washington State is better that OSU, in that they have better facilities and a more recent history, but it is still isolated.
Every time someone runs Windows they are looking at the green waves of the Palouse. In August it is one of the most beautiful places on earth.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 04, 2014, 11:19:17 AM
Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.
However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)
I know you're not saying it, but I love the idea that Buzz owns a Zune. And I'm going to believe it's true.
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
Every time someone runs Windows they are looking at the green waves of the Palouse. In August it is one of the most beautiful places on earth.
Definitely. I have been there and wholeheartedly agree.
But there seems to be an inverse relationship between the beauty of a location and the number of quality basketball recruits it generates.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 04, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
I don't think too many of those TV guys make the type of money Buzz makes.
What's that got to do with anything? I know plenty of dumb people that make much more money than smart people.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 04, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
I know plenty of dumb people that make much more money than smart people.
Navy
Rumor is you are worth a fortune
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
sing it, truth
Buzz seems to be trying to convince himself that he jumped off a burning platform (i.e. a non P5 school for one). He mentions it so often in various ways that it seems like he is selling himself.
As Chicos stated above, does he think sooner or later in 2024? That is nine years from now. What are the chances he is even at Va Tech nine years from now?
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
Navy
Rumor is you are worth a fortune
That rumor is totally true, been buying and selling zoomies for years
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 04, 2014, 02:45:20 PM
Buzz seems to be trying to convince himself that he jumped off a burning platform (i.e. a non P5 school for one). He mentions it so often in various ways that it seems like he is selling himself.
As Chicos stated above, does he think sooner or later in 2024? That is nine years from now. What are the chances he is even at Va Tech nine years from now?
He thinks it's sooner, or is trying to act like it is...but practically speaking it wouldn't be before then.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 04, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
Because this summer, he memorized every NCAA President in order.
It was actually the US Presidents. Wrote each one down in his little notebook.
Buzz is buying and selling,missed his calling,should be in the stock market. Hes like rainman in his soundcloud.
Paint the doors white and start over, I'll be here as long as you want me, humble servant forever.
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on December 04, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
While I won't argue with the assessment of facilities and history, I'd say a city that ranks in the top 10 nationally for resident education, alternative transportation, and work-life balance is a little better than "a crappy little cow-town." (Sorry, a tad emotional about the Riley to Nebraska announcement.)
Firing a 9-3 coach for a d'bag like RILEY??? Nebraska will become the Chicago Bears of the B10. Irrelevant.
Quote from: Wally Ellenson Schroeder on December 04, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
It was actually the US Presidents. Wrote each one down in his little notebook.
Didn't think I needed teal for that one.
Quote from: brandx on December 04, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
Firing a 9-3 coach for a d'bag like RILEY??? Nebraska will become the Chicago Bears of the B10. Irrelevant.
Ouch. Riley's the nicest guy in the world. While I'd strongly disagree with it, I hope the d-bag remark was aimed at his coaching ability.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM
2024. This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament. I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS. Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences.
The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools. The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.
Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.
So Buzz plans on being at VT in 2025?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move. It speaks volumes that since he left...
1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.
Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech. He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach. But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.
+1
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on December 04, 2014, 03:29:44 PM
Ouch. Riley's the nicest guy in the world. While I'd strongly disagree with it, I hope the d-bag remark was aimed at his coaching ability.
Maybe not ....
She said she was gang raped, sodomized, robbed, and then, re-victimized -- her word -- when a college football coach suspended two of the players for one game and was quoted as saying his players had made, "a bad choice."
That phrase burns her, still. All these years later, it sends her hurtling back to the rape examination at Salem Hospital, the police interview, having to tell her boyfriend and mother, and the whispers, guilt and shame. For years, she's been hung up on that three-word hook -- "a bad choice" -- as if violating her body was like knocking on the wrong door in the right neighborhood.
She reported the gang rape to police in 1998. She'd told investigators the men stood around, watching it happen and cheering the others on. At one point, she said she begged one of the men to make it stop. "A bad choice?" she asked herself over the years. "I get sick of reading articles about how great a guy the coach is."
That coach is Mike Riley.http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/11/canzano_her_name_is_brenda_tra.html
Here's what Buzz doesn't get. This is a football decision, not a basketball one. If the power 5 separate all the resources are going to football, not basketball. Recruiting is going to be just as tough if not tougher because the Big East is basketball centric and that's where Buzz miscalculated.
On a side note, love the fact that wojo tweets at the other sport teams like volleyball and soccer. I don't think Buzz knew they even existed.
Bazz is evidently to focused on the P5 separation to pay attention to a basketball game.
http://www.youtube.com/e/sL_kjG3xXFY
Look at him on the replay on the baseline in the corner. He doesn't even move while this is going on.
Quote from: brandx on December 04, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
Firing a 9-3 coach for a d'bag like RILEY??? Nebraska will become the Chicago Bears of the B10. Irrelevant.
1. Nebraska wasn't already irrelevant in the Big??
2. Interestingly enough, the Big? is already the Bears of national minor league football. Irrelevant.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 04, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Here's what Buzz doesn't get. This is a football decision, not a basketball one. If the power 5 separate all the resources are going to football, not basketball. Recruiting is going to be just as tough if not tougher because the Big East is basketball centric and that's where Buzz miscalculated.
On a side note, love the fact that wojo tweets at the other sport teams like volleyball and soccer. I don't think Buzz knew they even existed.
Exactly!
Everything Buzz said about the P5 could be 100% true ... but he forgot one part. It only applies to football. They are breaking off for football only and it means nothing for every other sport.
Wait until Buzz learns that after the P5 they have two ADs ... one for the football team and another for everyone else.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on December 04, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Seriously, if you think a good recruiter who has sent kids on to the NBA with a S16-S16-E8 run in very recent history who also happens to get his team playing at a great effort level won't have success simply because of the lack of previous success at VT is irrational at best.
I think "irrational at best" is a bit overboard, he is walking into to two different situations at MU/VTech and there are plenty of coaches that have failed after moving on to a new role. It also depends on what level of success you're talking about. More success than MU?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
Maybe not ....
But that's not where the story ends...
She said she had come forward 16 years later because she remained haunted by the words of Oregon State coach Mike Riley, who said two players had made "a bad choice."
Riley told Canzano he regrets those words, and proposed that Tracy talk to his football team about her experience. Tracy told Canzano she's not interested in retribution, or a lawsuit, and would welcome the chance to speak to the team, or any group interested in hearing her story.
"Maybe that's where this was supposed to go all along," she said.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11893782/oregon-state-apologizes-woman-involved-1998-rape-investigation
Did he screw up? Colossally. But he is ultimately a guy who wants to do the right thing.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
Maybe not ....
She said she was gang raped, sodomized, robbed, and then, re-victimized -- her word -- when a college football coach suspended two of the players for one game and was quoted as saying his players had made, "a bad choice."
That phrase burns her, still. All these years later, it sends her hurtling back to the rape examination at Salem Hospital, the police interview, having to tell her boyfriend and mother, and the whispers, guilt and shame. For years, she's been hung up on that three-word hook -- "a bad choice" -- as if violating her body was like knocking on the wrong door in the right neighborhood.
She reported the gang rape to police in 1998. She'd told investigators the men stood around, watching it happen and cheering the others on. At one point, she said she begged one of the men to make it stop. "A bad choice?" she asked herself over the years. "I get sick of reading articles about how great a guy the coach is."
That coach is Mike Riley.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/11/canzano_her_name_is_brenda_tra.html
Nomination for Scoop cherry pick of the year.
Quick caveat: while her story needed to be told, I'd rather it be done by a real journalist, not a guy who makes Mike Hunt look like Edward R. Murrow. Canzano is the worst.
Quote from: LAZER on December 04, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
I think "irrational at best" is a bit overboard, he is walking into to two different situations at MU/VTech and there are plenty of coaches that have failed after moving on to a new role. It also depends on what level of success you're talking about. More success than MU?
Doubt he'll have more success than he had at MU. Aside from winning the big dance we've had about as much success as any top 20 program in the last 12 years.
But he probably will take VT to a NCAAT team fairly regularly. Folks here act like he couldn't coach himself out of a paper bag simply because he left and that's just not true. I'm not a huge fan of the guy I just think some on here give him absolutely zero credit when credit is deserved.
Quote from: Wally Ellenson Schroeder on December 04, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
It was actually the US Presidents. Wrote each one down in his little notebook.
There is a great animaniacs video for that, and another for state capitals.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Vvy0wRLD5s8
Quote from: Benny B on December 04, 2014, 04:13:15 PM
Nomination for Scoop cherry pick of the year.
So .... calling gang rape a "bad choice" is totes OK if you say "oops" 16 years later?
No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate. He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 05:26:39 PM
No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate. He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.
Making up for the past does help. Being smart and not a jacka$$ in the first place works a bit better
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 05:26:39 PM
No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate. He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.
Mitigate? OK, I'll buy that. He's not a full-on douche. Or at least less of one than he once was.
"The Nicest Guy in the World" though?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
So .... calling gang rape a "bad choice" is totes OK if you say "oops" 16 years later?
Taking a 10 second sound bite that fits your narrative from a seven minute story that doesn't is the only "oops" I see here.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 04, 2014, 12:28:41 PM
Virginia Tech had an athletic director that his friend, Mick Cronin, enjoyed working for. He is getting paid plenty. He still gets to play the underdog role that he likes. I can see how this made complete sense in his mind.
Of course you do. He will always be your boy.
The internet even trolling Buzz...
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball)
Wojo mentioned as top candidate for next great coach with Richard Pitino and Danny Manning.
Buzz, both guys mentioned, he needs to go to a better school, can't do it at VPI.
Also, no mention of Crean.
Quote from: MUDPT on December 05, 2014, 06:01:14 AM
The internet even trolling Buzz...
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball)
Wojo mentioned as top candidate for next great coach with Richard Pitino and Danny Manning.
Buzz, both guys mentioned, he needs to go to a better school, can't do it at VPI.
Also, no mention of Crean.
Not that he would make the list anyhow, but Crean has been a head coach now for 15 years. Hard to include a guy with that much experience in "the next generation."
Other coaches must be spreading the Buzzwhacked stories on the recruiting trail for him to keep spinning. He is playing in front of UWM sized home crowds and MU was on ESPN national TV this past week more than Va Tech will be all season. He is more than off the deep end.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 04, 2014, 10:02:56 PM
Of course you do. He will always be your boy.
Good lord. Stop humping my leg.
Here is what I said in this very thread: "I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz."
All I meant is that, knowing Buzz's weird way of thinking, I can see why he thought the move to VPI made sense. I know that in your feeble little mind, and with your desire to get something over on me, that you think that I am saying that Buzz made a great career move. But I'm not. It's not what I am saying at all.
But alas...you swung and missed. Yet again.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 05, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
Other coaches must be spreading the Buzzwhacked stories on the recruiting trail for him to keep spinning. He is playing in front of UWM sized home crowds and MU was on ESPN national TV this past week more than Va Tech will be all season. He is more than off the deep end.
But, honestly, I think that's part of his deal. It's just part of his DNA. He's not happy unless he's going against the grain.
- He QUIT a head coaching job, without another job lined up. Almost unheard of in college hoops.
- He was working without an agent for most of his career (might still be, I don't know the particulars).
- He gets the MU job, and fills his roster with Junior College kids from nowhere near WI. Something never done at MU. He even signed some guys without seeing them play, or at least he claims that.
-Then, he WINS with this roster of relative misfits, and when the national media asks how he does it with Junior College kids, he goes on a rant about how nobody thinks they are any good.
- He tells ANYBODY who will listen how dumb he is, but we know that he's constantly trying to find the next big thing and get any edge he can get. (SportVU for example).
- The guys views himself as a rebel and a wildcard, and often, he thinks he's secretly the smartest guy in the room. "traditional thinking" need not apply when talking about Buzz.
- I will bet any amount, that in 3 or 4 years, when VaTech makes the tournament, he'll give an interview about how everybody ripped him for taking that job, and everybody thought he was crazy, etc.
With all of this said, it doesn't mean he's right about everything all of the time. We know about his recruiting misses. We know he owns a Zune. We know from our resident real estate expert that his home is poorly built and cheap.
I'm willing to bet he's a little premature with his P5 prediction.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 05, 2014, 09:38:01 AM
- He tells ANYBODY who will listen how dumb he is, but we know that he's constantly trying to find the next big thing and get any edge he can get. (SportVU for example).
- The guys views himself as a rebel and a wildcard, and often, he thinks he's secretly the smartest guy in the room.
Over the years, I have found that when people talk about how dumb they are (or ugly or annoying or whatever), it is their way of fishing for a response like this: "Oh, you're not dumb at all. In fact, you're one of the smartest guys I know!"
And that usually is the response Buzz has gotten from the national media.
And then when he wins, he takes potshots at those who said he was dumb -- even though he was the one who said it. And the media falls for that, too.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2014, 09:43:43 AM
Over the years, I have found that when people talk about how dumb they are (or ugly or annoying or whatever), it is their way of fishing for a response like this: "Oh, you're not dumb at all. In fact, you're one of the smartest guys I know!"
And that usually is the response Buzz has gotten from the national media.
And then when he wins, he takes potshots at those who said he was dumb -- even though he was the one who said it. And the media falls for that, too.
Correct.
I give the guy a lot of credit. I think he's a risk-taker, and he's willing to put himself out on a ledge.
But, I could live without the subtle jabs at people who may have questioned him....
But again, the guy's entire personality and coaching foundation is built on US vs THEM. He constantly looking for a THEM.
Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 05, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
Correct.
I give the guy a lot of credit. I think he's a risk-taker, and he's willing to put himself out on a ledge.
But, I could live without the subtle jabs at people who may have questioned him....
But again, the guy's entire personality and coaching foundation is built on US vs THEM. He constantly looking for a THEM.
Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.
I have no doubt that Buzz will not end his career at VPI and that his next move might be as bizarre as this one.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 05, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.
Not so sure Buzz will succeed. He had the benefit of being an unknown when he started at MU. Now more and more people are realizing his shtick. That will be used against him in recruiting and more kids and parents will see him for what he is. His coaching was average to bordering on whack. I do think he was/is a good motivator, but his tactics will wear thin after a short period. I bet they wore thin on jjj, and stj last year.