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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 30, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
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"Every program would love to have Derrick Wilson. He shows up every day and all he cares about is winning. I absolutely love coaching Derrick. He's a competitive guy and I love that about him."
Game over.
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"Every program would love to have Derrick Wilson. He shows up every day and all he cares about is winning. I absolutely love coaching Derrick. He's a competitive guy and I love that about him."
Game over.
What game is over? He's good for this team, he wasn't for last years team. Last years team featured 3 guards that could not score the ball. You can't win games with that formula. With Duane, Carlino, & JJJ he fits in very nicely. He's a coaches dream, we get it.
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Coaches' pet confirmed.
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Coaches' pet confirmed.
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Coaches' pet confirmed.
I'm not a huge Derrick fan but cmon. Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that Wojo and Derrick are similar styled guards.
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I'm just surprised people were relegating him to the bench for spot minutes at the beginning of the season. Derrick has been playing fine all season (relatively speaking) and was a positive factor in today's game.
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What game is over? He's good for this team, he wasn't for last years team. Last years team featured 3 guards that could not score the ball. You can't win games with that formula. With Duane, Carlino, & JJJ he fits in very nicely. He's a coaches dream, we get it.
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I rarely respond to you, but you are just an f#ing idiot on this issue. Just a complete idiot. Two different head coaches love this kids work ethic. Grow the F up.
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"Coaches pet" insinuates that his minutes aren't deserved. Anyone who watched today's game saw exactly why Wojo plays him and why he deserves his minutes.
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C'mon Ners, Make post 6017 the mea culpa. Free yourself.
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I'm just surprised people were relegating him to the bench for spot minutes at the beginning of the season. Derrick has been playing fine all season (relatively speaking) and was a positive factor in today's game.
Derrick was good today and I am happy for him and the team. He now has had two good game and 1 to 1 1/2 OK games. Better than I expected, and I hope I continue to be wrong.
I agree with Derrick being a better fit for a team with multiple guards who can knock down 3s as opposed to last year's team, which had to win by pounding the ball inside.
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Here's the thing, y'all. Derrick has had the misfortune of playin', the past couple of years, on some pretty chitty teams. He's not capable of strappin' it on and carryin' the whole fookin' team on his Johnson. Put him in a situation where he tops out at 8-10 minutes and you got a valuable piece to the puzzle.
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Here's the thing, y'all. Derrick has had the misfortune of playin', the past couple of years, on some pretty chitty teams. He's not capable of strappin' it on and carryin' the whole fookin' team on his Johnson. Put him in a situation where he tops out at 8-10 minutes and you got a valuable piece to the puzzle.
Well he played 36 minutes today. It's more like put him in a role where he has better back court options around him, and where he can play off the ball, and he is just fine.
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How about, put him in a situation where there the other guys are moving, working to get open and then doing something with the ball when they get it. Jake was stationary. Davante was stationary. Otule couldn't create anything. Jamil didn't want to create anything. Todd just wanted the damn ball. Derrick is not a great point guard. I have never said he is. But having off the ball movement as well as others creating shots sure helps mask his deficiencies.
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I rarely respond to you, but you are just an f#ing idiot on this issue. Just a complete idiot. Two different head coaches love this kids work ethic. Grow the F up.
LOL - Getting all worked up over someone having a different take on a basketball matter/message board. Perhaps you should grow the F up?
C'mon Ners, Make post 6017 the mea culpa. Free yourself.
I said in another thread Derrick played well today and deserved the minutes he got.
Hopefully it continues - because if it does the team has a chance to be pretty good. If it reverts back to how its typically been - it hurts the team.
Lastly, let's also put Derrick's performance into perspective:
36 minutes. 11 points. 2 rebounds. 2 assists. 2 steals 0 turnovers.
The reality is, is that historically his production has been so abysmal, it makes a game like today seem really, really good. I don't want to take away from his performance today, but let's also realize some perspective on the matter. It's an average to slightly above average stat line for a senior PG.
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How about, put him in a situation where there the other guys are moving, working to get open and then doing something with the ball when they get it. Jake was stationary. Davante was stationary. Otule couldn't create anything. Jamil didn't want to create anything. Todd just wanted the damn ball. Derrick is not a great point guard. I have never said he is. But having off the ball movement as well as others creating shots sure helps mask his deficiencies.
Yes, but part of the argument against Buzz all of last season was that he CHOSE to play Derrick and Jake together max minutes. That was an awful decision. Mayo should have been running alongside Derrick the 31 minutes a game Jake got, Todd got 23 a game. JJJ would have been more dynamic than Jake as well.
Lastly, due to Derrick struggling so much last season, and teams eventually totally, and completely disrespecting his shot - and subsequently began sagging 5 feet off of him - that killed the whole team. Jamil and Davante. Remains to be seen if our conference foes employ the same strategy this year..hopefully Derrick continues to knock down an occasional 3 or perimeter shot to where defenses have to play him honest.
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It's an average to slightly above average stat line for a senior PG.
But not historically bad :)
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At this point I have come to the realization that Derrick is getting max minutes this year. The only thing that will change that is Deonte/ JJJ stepping up and playing good defense and earning more minutes for being overall players.
Today in the post game interview we heard from Wojo that Derrick is all about winning. That is Wojo's sole objective. So they are linked at the hips. Wojo wants to win now and is not going to throw this season away to the future, at least not quite yet.
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Nothing I have seen from JJJ this season tells me he could have played big minutes last season. He has progressed and I am pleased, but he still gets lost defensively and doesn't always look comfortable with the ball. The zone has been put in because of JJJ and Deonte being so bad at man, as well as having no depth on the frontline. His man defense last year was certainly not better than it is now. And Mayo's issues are fairly well documented. I am pretty sure his mere presence on the team led to a whole lot of internal conflict for Brent. 'Does he belong, should I kick him out, do I play him anyway even if he isn't a great teammate, if so what kind of leash, do I just turn him loose, if I do after everything he has done, what kind of message does that send to the rest of the team'.....yaddayaddayadda.
So, yes, I agree that the backcourt combination of Derrick and Jake was not anybody's favorite. But if the freshmen guards don't defend to your standards and the upperclassman scorer also doesn't defend well, as well as being a locker room problem, options are limited.
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LOL - Getting all worked up over someone having a different take on a basketball matter/message board. Perhaps you should grow the F up?
I said in another thread Derrick played well today and deserved the minutes he got.
Hopefully it continues - because if it does the team has a chance to be pretty good. If it reverts back to how its typically been - it hurts the team.
Lastly, let's also put Derrick's performance into perspective:
36 minutes. 11 points. 2 rebounds. 2 assists. 2 steals 0 turnovers.
The reality is, is that historically his production has been so abysmal, it makes a game like today seem really, really good. I don't want to take away from his performance today, but let's also realize some perspective on the matter. It's an average to slightly above average stat line for a senior PG.
Thanks for the perspective Ners. I think people are blowing his performance out of proportion. It was an average day, but pretty decent for Derrick. I hope he can build on it and string together a couple of average or above average performances in a row.
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But not historically bad :)
LOL - Yep, not even close. If Derrick can perform as he did today on a fairly consistent basis - I won't have jack to say. He absolutely helped the team win that game today. I have no problem with him getting 30 minutes a game if this kind of performance continues.
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Nothing I have seen from JJJ this season tells me he could have played big minutes last season. He has progressed and I am pleased, but he still gets lost defensively and doesn't always look comfortable with the ball. The zone has been put in because of JJJ and Deonte being so bad at man, as well as having no depth on the frontline. His man defense last year was certainly not better than it is now. And Mayo's issues are fairly well documented. I am pretty sure his mere presence on the team led to a whole lot of internal conflict for Brent. 'Does he belong, should I kick him out, do I play him anyway even if he isn't a great teammate, if so what kind of leash, do I just turn him loose, if I do after everything he has done, what kind of message does that send to the rest of the team'.....yaddayaddayadda.
So, yes, I agree that the backcourt combination of Derrick and Jake was not anybody's favorite. But if the freshmen guards don't defend to your standards and the upperclassman scorer also doesn't defend well, as well as being a locker room problem, options are limited.
I'm sure Mayo was a mindf$ck for Buzz - yet part of my take on Todd was this: If you are going to put up with the bull sh$t and keep him on the team, then let him do what he does best - which is to play the game. The guys on the team may not have liked Todd a whole lot personally, yet they all seemed pretty happy when Todd was hitting huge clutch shots, and rallying us back into games down the stretch last season.
Problem with Jake was that I think he made 8, 2 point FGs for the ENTIRE year. You simply can't have a shooting guard that can't make 2 pt FGS. JJJ or even Dawson would have provided more offensive balance/threat than Jake - yet on the negative they wouldn't have been as solidly defensively - moreso JJJ than Dawson.
All that said, you still cannot be effective no matter what, when one of your players isn't defended within 6 feet - and especially not when that player is your PG.
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Too easy
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Thanks for the perspective Ners. I think people are blowing his performance out of proportion. It was an average day, but pretty decent for Derrick. I hope he can build on it and string together a couple of average or above average performances in a row.
I'm beginning to think that this is an alternate Ners account...set up simply to reaffirm everything he says.
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Coaches' pet confirmed.
Book Em Danno..... This kid plays more minutes than all of the top 10 draft picks from last year....
Hes gotta be going pro next year.....
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I'm beginning to think that this is an alternate Ners account...set up simply to reaffirm everything he says.
I was thinking the same.
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I'm beginning to think that this is an alternate Ners account...set up simply to reaffirm everything he says.
We both just see things clearly Scoop Stalker.
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We both just see things clearly Scoop Stalker.
<yawn>
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Must be coming to the end of your 18 hr shift huh?! ;D
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I'm beginning to think that this is an alternate Ners account...set up simply to reaffirm everything he says.
This is ridiculous. And one I'm sure the Mods can put to rest. But, let's get real Sultan - there could be about 7 alternate accounts that you set up, each of which has historically tried to put the lipstick on the pig of the last 14 months.
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This is ridiculous. And one I'm sure the Mods can put to rest. But, let's get real Sultan - there could be about 7 alternate accounts that you set up, each of which has historically tried to put the lipstick on the pig of the last 14 months.
LOL...you never, ever let things slide do you? You might be the easiest guy to troll in the history of the internet.
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LOL...you never, ever let things slide do you? You might be the easiest guy to troll in the history of the internet.
Right back at you (And BrewCity77) (your alternate account here - haha -see what I did there? Aren't I funny?) Talk about easy to troll: I mean Brew had to bail last year and you of course had to conveniently give this board up for Lent to coincide with the time that all of your expert analysis on Buzz/last season was imploding. Nice maneuver Sultan. Did you end up going over to BrewCity Ball site with Brew during lent and humping his leg over there too? ;D
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Lastly, let's also put Derrick's performance into perspective:
36 minutes. 11 points. 2 rebounds. 2 assists. 2 steals 0 turnovers.
I thought that one of the keys to our win was our ability to consistently beat their press and get into a half court game with plenty of time left on the shot clock. It was a team effort, but Derrick was a big part of that.
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Just filling in some more details on the post game comments, but admittedly its all fluff:
1. Wojo's hand injury was more from extracting hand from the wipe-board (sounded like Wojo was calling it a "wipe-it board") than the actual punching through the board. Point he was trying to express was how they had to fight "human nature" which was to let their guard down after three games in four days (fourth game in seven days) and didn't want to see that happen... knew they needed 100% and were not just playing a great TN team, but fighting their own human nature to let their guard down. Wojo's response to injury, just a "flesh wound".
2. Jim Mc. said "rumer had it" that Kevin O. punched a locker in Illinois when he was coaching and broke his hand, but refused to have it cast because he did not want to give the players the satisfaction of knowing he broke his hand. Wojo's response was he thinks he drinks a little more milk than Kevin did. Ha! Great line.
3. Derick brings it every day and is a great player to coach and a great teammate.
4. MU is leaving this tournament a MUCH better team than it was when it arrived, which is what everyone is looking for and great to see. Is very happy about that and felt no one played harder than MU at this tournament. Playing your butt off is what Wojo expects and what is needed.
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Lastly, let's also put Derrick's performance into perspective:
36 minutes. 11 points. 2 rebounds. 2 assists. 2 steals 0 turnovers.
I thought that one of the keys to our win was our ability to consistently beat their press and get into a half court game with plenty of time left on the shot clock. It was a team effort, but Derrick was a big part of that.
Yes - We did do a nice job against their press - and Derrick was a big part of that. Duane and Carlino also did well against it as well.
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Right back at you (And BrewCity77) (your alternate account here - haha -see what I did there? Aren't I funny?) Talk about easy to troll: I mean Brew had to bail last year and you of course had to conveniently give this board up for Lent to coincide with the time that all of your expert analysis on Buzz/last season was imploding. Nice maneuver Sultan. Did you end up going over to BrewCity Ball site with Brew during lent and humping his leg over there too? ;D
I'm sure you won't believe either of these, but you had nothing to do with me leaving and nothing to do with me coming back. Absolutely zero impact on either of those.
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11 points, two rebounds, two assists, two steals, and zero turnovers is not an average stat line. Not a great one by any means. But a player who put that up every night is probably the second or third best player on his team. It's an above average stat line.
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LOL - Yep, not even close. If Derrick can perform as he did today on a fairly consistent basis - I won't have jack to say. He absolutely helped the team win that game today. I have no problem with him getting 30 minutes a game if this kind of performance continues.
It is good to talk about what most can agree upon.
Let's try a second thought, that Wojo is obviously defensive oriented and, as he stated he is trying to change a mind set on the team (I.e. building confidence in some Buzzified players). That is Wojo expects/hopes these players will become more confident and with that confidence the shots will begin to drop. Meanwhile he is trying to teach D to some of the more offensive players. So which strategy will succeed? I think we all hope both but if not the team wins if either succeeds. Until he sees improvement in the defense Derrick will keep his minutes and if he plays like he did yesterday he keeps his minutes. At this point I do not see Wojo changing that approach given recent events. So maybe, for now, it is time for all us to support a new coach who so far has squeezed a lot out of the MU orange. It is very exciting to me to see this team grow and to put this growth into perspective think of the disaster last year. With a new approach by Wojo he may just be right.
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At this point I do not see Wojo changing that approach given recent events. So maybe, for now, it is time for all us to support a new coach who so far has squeezed a lot out of the MU orange.
Plenty of armchair quarterbacks, but I don't see anyone NOT supporting Wojo or hoping he doesn't succeed. From the first game it was clear to me he had a plan for how he wanted the kids to play. Understandable (this year) that it takes a while for players to get it and then respond accordingly. This weekend catapulted the team ahead to where I thought they might be by January. A very good sign that the season may not be a total loss.
Let's try a second thought, that Wojo is obviously defensive oriented and, as he stated he is trying to change a mind set on the team (I.e. building confidence in some Buzzified players). That is Wojo expects/hopes these players will become more confident and with that confidence the shots will begin to drop.
I love your point about confidence. IMHO there is plenty of young talent on this team, but little confidence in most of the returning players due to both how Buzz coached last year and general inexperience. Wojo appears to understand this and the rapid development of the team tells me his approach to solving it is working. Another good sign not just for this year, but future of the program.
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11 points, two rebounds, two assists, two steals, and zero turnovers is not an average stat line. Not a great one by any means. But a player who put that up every night is probably the second or third best player on his team. It's an above average stat line.
I would be thrilled with anything close to that from Derrick for the rest of his Marquette career.
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No doubt Derrick is a much better player when he has two teammates on the floor that can shoot, spread the floor, and move the ball efficiently. It allows his driving skill to be utilized so much more effectively. We already know that his on ball defense is probably the best on the team and his floor leadership skills are excellent.
I also caught the comment made during the game about Wojo's influence on Matt Carlino. I believe coach will make a much better ballplayer out of him this year dramatically increasing his chance at a paycheck next year. Perhaps that what Matt saw in Wojo when he decided to transfer to MU. Yesterday, he played completely within himself. Almost nothing (or nothing at all) forced. Outstanding.
Lastly, how 'bout that spectacular inside out pass from Steve to Duane for the 3 late in the second half? THAT'S ball movement. Nice work big fella. Help for you is on the way.
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"Every program would love to have Derrick Wilson. He shows up every day and all he cares about is winning. I absolutely love coaching Derrick. He's a competitive guy and I love that about him."
Game over.
Of course Tower, game over. But wait, it is not over until the fat lady sings. We need to hear "elite gamechanger" from Wojo to say game over. By the way, the above is what should be expected from all senior basketball players, also shoot FT's at a competitive clip, score points, play D and lead by example. So far, Derrick has the D and lead down pretty good. Scoring, FT's and elite gamechanger--not so much. He is what he is--a role player.
Game, set, match.
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I thought this was an interesting quote from Wojo:
"Duane loves the moment. I think that's what you find out when you start playing games. Sometimes who you see in practice can be different when the lights are on — in a good or a bad way. For Duane, it's obviously been very good."
Coaches rightly make a lot of decisions based on practice, but good coaches also see who is performing in games and make adjustments accordingly. It's a delicate balance that good coaches are able to achieve.
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I thought this was an interesting quote from Wojo:
"Duane loves the moment. I think that's what you find out when you start playing games. Sometimes who you see in practice can be different when the lights are on — in a good or a bad way. For Duane, it's obviously been very good."
Coaches rightly make a lot of decisions based on practice, but good coaches also see who is performing in games and make adjustments accordingly. It's a delicate balance that good coaches are able to achieve.
Could explain why Buzz thought there were so many problems with his game.
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"Every program would love to have Derrick Wilson. He shows up every day and all he cares about is winning. I absolutely love coaching Derrick. He's a competitive guy and I love that about him."
Game over.
C'mon man. Don't you know that Wojo was only a top recruit in the country, starting point guard at Duke, played professionally overseas, and was Coach K's right hand man for nearly 15 years at Duke? He clearly has no knowledge of the game and has never experienced the game at a high level like high school varsity basketball. He must've been in the band in high school. Or maybe wrestling. Ners would play him one on one to put him in his place, punks like him need to be put in their place. He doesn't know a thing about basketball, just like Bert didn't either. Ners should be the one getting paid millions of dollars to make these decisions. We've been sitting Magic Johnson for 2 years now!
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Could explain why Buzz thought there were so many problems with his game.
Who said Buzz thought that?
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Who said Buzz thought that?
I remember reading he thought Duane wasn't ready for college ball yet or saw it all over this board.
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I thought this was an interesting quote from Wojo:
"Duane loves the moment. I think that's what you find out when you start playing games. Sometimes who you see in practice can be different when the lights are on — in a good or a bad way. For Duane, it's obviously been very good."
Coaches rightly make a lot of decisions based on practice, but good coaches also see who is performing in games and make adjustments accordingly. It's a delicate balance that good coaches are able to achieve.
Yeah you can definitely tell Duane locks in under the bright lights and no doubt has a "sense of the moment." That's a great way of putting it too. He wants the ball when it counts, and he knows what to do with it when he gets it. D-Wade has the same trait.
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I remember reading he thought Duane wasn't ready for college ball yet or saw it all over this board.
That was an IWB talking point special that got parroted on other boards by his BCB subscribers. Basically the mantra was that Duane was getting "dominated" by Derrick in practice last year. I didn't buy it then... and I definitely don't buy it now.
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I remember reading he thought Duane wasn't ready for college ball yet or saw it all over this board.
It was reported that Duane was behind Derrick in practice, which in retrospect isn't all that surprising since Duane was injured and a freshman. I don't recall it being more than that.
That was an IWB talking point special that got parroted on other boards by his BCB subscribers. Basically the mantra was that Duane was getting "dominated" by Derrick in practice last year. I didn't buy it then... and I definitely don't buy it now.
Why not? You don't think Duane has vastly improved since he first came to campus over a year ago? I would think going up against Derrick has helped him tremendously.
Furthermore Duane was hurt.
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Here we go again with the Sultan defending the Buzzster. Don't give a hoot what that BS'er said about Derrick and Duane. Buzz was going to play Derrick anyway. He used the stress fracture to conveniently move Duane side. It is as simple as that. And anyway Sultan tries to spin it is pure BS as was Buzz.
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Here we go again with the Sultan defending the Buzzster. Don't give a hoot what that BS'er said about Derrick and Duane. Buzz was going to play Derrick anyway. He used the stress fracture to conveniently move Duane side. It is as simple as that. And anyway Sultan tries to spin it is pure BS as was Buzz.
Reading. Is. Fundamental.
I am not defending Buzz. I am defending the reports from over a year ago that Derrick was ahead of Duane in practice.
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I haven't been on Scoop all weekend with too much family stuff going on but have watched all 3 games. I thought to myself, there is absolutely no way there could still be a Derrick debate going on with the way he played over the weekend. Yet here we are....
Even after over 150 people voted that Ners should be banned he still does not get the hint that everyone here is sick of this.
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11 points, two rebounds, two assists, two steals, and zero turnovers is not an average stat line. Not a great one by any means. But a player who put that up every night is probably the second or third best player on his team. It's an above average stat line.
Yes, he looks like a different player this year. Better guards around him, gives him more driving lanes, less of a liability on offense. He's the best perimeter defender, don't think anyone can argue that. He's good for this team, and I ripped him last year. Anyone not seeing his value is stubborn. His oRating & shoooting percentages are up, and his TO% is down. And he plays tough defense without fouling, only 1.6 fouls per 40 minutes. If Wilson and Carlino can be consistent scorers, D Wilson should be on the floor...he doesn't need to score.
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Reading. Is. Fundamental.
I am not defending Buzz. I am defending the reports from over a year ago that Derrick was ahead of Duane in practice.
Sultan, I'm not sure its useful to respond to Willie. Doesn't matter what you post, the same ol' "Slurper", "Buzz-defender", "elite-gamechanger" crap is going to come right back.
As someone mentioned in another thread, its best to just let him stay in the corner
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Reading. Is. Fundamental.
I am not defending Buzz. I am defending the reports from over a year ago that Derrick was ahead of Duane in practice.
Sorry Sultan, I see and observe. You have always defended your boy. Here now, you can prove I am wrong simply by denouncing Buzz's decisions from last year concerning his stupid statements about Derrick and his playing him as much as he did.
Crickets.
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It was reported that Duane was behind Derrick in practice, which in retrospect isn't all that surprising since Duane was injured and a freshman. I don't recall it being more than that.
Why not? You don't think Duane has vastly improved since he first came to campus over a year ago? I would think going up against Derrick has helped him tremendously.
Furthermore Duane was hurt.
If he's an "in the moment" guy I could see him not having the same fire in practice and perhaps not looking as good. Just my speculation because clearly he's an incredible player and the coach said he shines when he's under the lights. It's just speculation amigo.
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Another thread turns to a Derrick thread.
Really???
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Absolutely zero impact on either of those.
Kinda like your "analytical insights"
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Another thread turns to a Derrick thread.
Really???
Well...didn't really turn into a Derrick thread. The opening post was a Wojo quote about Derrick.
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C'mon man. Don't you know that Wojo was only a top recruit in the country, starting point guard at Duke, played professionally overseas, and was Coach K's right hand man for nearly 15 years at Duke? He clearly has no knowledge of the game and has never experienced the game at a high level like high school varsity basketball. He must've been in the band in high school. Or maybe wrestling. Ners would play him one on one to put him in his place, punks like him need to be put in their place. He doesn't know a thing about basketball, just like Bert didn't either. Ners should be the one getting paid millions of dollars to make these decisions. We've been sitting Magic Johnson for 2 years now!
You have some serious issues Wades. You make so many posts about me, and have so much venom toward me it's really pretty sad. The fact you can get so upset over someone with a different opinion than you on a message board speaks volumes. Hell, you've called me all kinds of things, demonstrated a lot of hate - and rarely do I throw it back at you. You start a poll here to ask this board to vote for your brother to get Athlete of the Week in the MKE area - and I voted for him. I have no hatred toward you or any other poster here.
Then again when I read your ridiculous post about your buddy who talked sh$t to Dom James telling him to get ready to play in Italy (and you thinking it was funny) - it put things into a crystal clear nutshell of who you are as a person.
You bring me into discussions and threads that have nothing to do with me - such as this one. Obsessed much?
I've said nothing but nice things about Derrick since yesterday's game, and didn't start nor bring this whole thead up. It was started by one of Derrick's longtime backers to illustrate/support his take and point over why Derrick should be playing. End of story.
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I haven't been on Scoop all weekend with too much family stuff going on but have watched all 3 games. I thought to myself, there is absolutely no way there could still be a Derrick debate going on with the way he played over the weekend. Yet here we are....
Even after over 150 people voted that Ners should be banned he still does not get the hint that everyone here is sick of this.
Then tell others to stop starting threads about the matter. Jesus.