I found this site that lists all professional players sorted by college.
http://basketball.usbasket.com/team/USA/Marquette_University/391?Page=4
Below is an alphabetical list of former MU players that earned a paycheck this year or last year playing basketball. I had no idea the list was this large.
* 16 former MU players are earning a paycheck playing basketball overseas this year
* 8 earned a paycheck last year playing basketball overseas
* 3 are earning a paycheck this year in the NBDL
* 5 are earning a paying check in the NBA
* 1 earned a paycheck in the NBA last year (Lazar)
In total 33 former MU players earned a paycheck playing basketball this year or last year.
(additionally Dom James and Scott Merritt last earned basketball paychecks in 2012/2013)
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Playing This Year Overseas
Mo Acker
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Maurice_Acker/Denmark/Bakken_Bears/90177
Playing for Bakken (Bears) in Denmark
Ousmane Barro
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Ousmane_Barro/Romania/BC_Mures_Targu-Mures/72521
Playing for Targu Mures in Romania
Niv Berkowitz
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Niv_Berkowitz/Israel/Hapoel_Eilat/64712
Playing for Hapoel Eilat in Israel
Trend Blackledge
http://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Lawrence_Blackledge/Japan/Iwate_Big_Bulls/105738
Iwate Big Bulls in Japan
Dwight Burke
http://basketball.latinbasket.com/player/Dwight_Burke/Chile/Asociacion_Basquetbol_Ancud/91140
AB Ancud in Chile
Junior Cadougan
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Junior_Cadougan/Italy/Sidigas_Avellino/105004
Sidigas AV in Italy
Joe Chapman
http://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Joe_Chapman/Japan/Shimane_Susanoo_Magic/39490
Shimane SM in Japan
Devante Gardner
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Davante_Gardner/France/Hyeres-Toulon_Var_Basket/208634
Hyeres-Toulon in France
DJO
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Darius_Johnson-Odom/Italy/Acqua_Vitasnella_Cantu/188247
AV Cantu in Italy
Trent Lockett
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Trent_Lockett/Germany/Basketball_Loewen_Braunschweig/183860
Braunschweing in Germany
J-May
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Jeronne_Maymon/Israel/Hapoel_Tel-Aviv/188248
Hapoel T-A in Israel
Trevor Mbakwe
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Trevor_Mbakwe/Germany/Brose_Baskets_Bamberg/136174
Brose Bask in Germany
Jarel McNeal
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Jerel_McNeal/Spain/Baloncesto_Sevilla/91141
Sevilla in Spain
Oluoma Nnamaka
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Oluoma_Nnamaka/Sweden/Uppsala_Basket/7399
Uppsala in Sweden
Chris Otule
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Chris_Otule/Germany/Crailsheim_Merlins/162357
Crailsheim in Germany
Jake Thomas
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Jake_Thomas/Switzerland/SAM_Basket_Massagno/189327
Massagno in Switzerland
Played Last Year Overseas (but not listed on any rosters this year)
Odartey Blankson
http://basketball.australiabasket.com/player/Odartey_Blankson/Australia/Geraldton_Buccaneers/52006
Geraldton B. in Australia
Dwight Buycks
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Dwight_Buycks/Spain/Valencia_Basket/151155
Valencia in Spain
David Cubillan
http://basketball.latinbasket.com/player/David_Cubillan/Venezuela/Trotamundos_de_Carabobo/99303
Trotamundos in Venezuela
Travis Diener
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Travis_Diener/Italy/Banco_di_Sardegna_Sassari/45927
Banco di Srd in Italy
Dan Fitzgerald
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Daniel_Fitzgerald/Spain/Union_Financiera_Baloncesto_Oviedo/91138
Oviedo in Spain
Liam McMorrow
http://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Liam_McMorrow/Taiwan/Bank_of_Taiwan/162356
Bank of Taiwan in Taiwan
David Singleton
http://basketball.afrobasket.com/player/David_Singleton/Morocco/Fath_US_de_Rabat/208633
FUS Rabat in Morocco
This same site shows the following MU players currently in the NBDL
Vander Blue - LA D
Todd Mayo - Westchester D
Jamil Wilson - Bakersfield J
And In The NBA
Jimmy Butler - Bulls
Jae Crowder - Dallas
Lazar Hayward - Pelicans (2014)
Wes Matthews - Portland
Steve Novak - Utah
D Wade - Miami
Also from this site I found this interesting ...
Faisal Abraham last played in 2000 and lists his nationality as US Virgin islands
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Faisal_Abraham/Finland/Salon_Vilpas_Vikings/3730
Ousmane Barro is listed as Senegalese
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Ousmane_Barro/Romania/BC_Mures_Targu-Mures/72521
Odartey Blankson nationality is listed as US and Ghanian
http://basketball.australiabasket.com/player/Odartey_Blankson/Australia/Geraldton_Buccaneers/52006
Junior Cadugan nationality is listed as Canadian and Jamaican
http://basketball.australiabasket.com/player/Odartey_Blankson/Australia/Geraldton_Buccaneers/52006
David Cubillan is listed as Venezuelan
http://basketball.latinbasket.com/player/David_Cubillan/Venezuela/Trotamundos_de_Carabobo/99303
Travis Deiner is listed as US and Italian
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Travis_Diener/Italy/Banco_di_Sardegna_Sassari/45927
Oliver Lee last played for the Lakers in 1980 and is listed as Puerto Rican
http://basketball.usbasket.com/player/Alfred_Lee/USA/Los_Angeles_Lakers/176452
Dean Marquardt last played professionally in 1997 in Belgium and lists his nationality as US and Belgium
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Dean_Marquardt/Belgium/Stella_Artois_Leuven_Bears/8117
Trevor Mbakwe is listed as US/Nigerian
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Trevor_Mbakwe/Germany/Brose_Baskets_Bamberg/136174
Yous Mbao is listed as Senegalese
http://basketball.usbasket.com/player/Yous_Mbao/USA/Marshall_University/110939
Liam McMorrow is listed a Canadian
http://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Liam_McMorrow/Taiwan/Bank_of_Taiwan/162356
John Polonowski last played overseas in 1997 (Ireland) and is listed as Canadian
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/John_Polonowski/Ireland/Killarney_Gleneagle_Lakers/20329
Trevor Powell last played in 2005 in France and is last as US/French
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Trevor_Powell/France/Longwy-Rehon_BC/29110
Kerry Trotter last played in 1999 in Belgium and is listed as US/Belgium
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Kerry_Trotter/Belgium/Basket_Bree/16284
Not surprised at the number of dual citizenships. If I am not mistaken, if a player has citizenship in another country, he doesn't count towards the roster's American player limit.
Speaking of Marquette players drawing a pro paycheck, I was about to start a separate thread about a related topic, but this one will work.
Perhaps y'all can settle an discussion between jsglow and me. The other night we were talking about post-college opportunities in pro basketball, and we were trying to estimate how many NCAA players in a given year get a chance to play pro ball after they leave school. Our guesses were pretty far apart.
This would include NBA, NBADL, and any international pro teams. It does not include coaching positions of any kind. And the player actually has to make a roster. Tryout situations don't count.
Anyone care to venture an estimate, or have access to actual data?
Quote from: warriorchick on November 30, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
Not surprised at the number of dual citizenships. If I am not mistaken, if a player has citizenship in another country, he doesn't count towards the roster's American player limit.
Speaking of Marquette players drawing a pro paycheck, I was about to start a separate thread about a related topic, but this one will work.
Perhaps y'all can settle an discussion between jsglow and me. The other night we were talking about post-college opportunities in pro basketball, and we were trying to estimate how many NCAA players in a given year get a chance to play pro ball after they leave school. Our guesses were pretty far apart.
This would include NBA, NBADL, and any international pro teams. It does not include coaching positions of any kind. And the player actually has to make a roster. Tryout situations don't count.
Anyone care to venture an estimate, or have access to actual data?
My absolute guess would be about 25%
Quote from: PistolPete on November 30, 2014, 12:31:47 PM
My absolute guess would be about 25%
25% of all NCAA players get a job playing basketball? All divisions in all conferences?
Quote from: warriorchick on November 30, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
25% of all NCAA players get a job playing basketball? All divisions in all conferences?
To clarify, I was referring to D1. Including D2 and D3, obviously lower.
Jake Thomas signed with SAM Massagno in Swtizerland
Chirs Grimm and Dan Fitzgerald played from them as well.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15925.msg154299#msg154299
The Milwaukee to Massagno Switzerland pipeline remains wide open.
Quote from: PistolPete on November 30, 2014, 02:35:22 PM
To clarify, I was referring to D1. Including D2 and D3, obviously lower.
Okay, I was looking for an actual number.
So let's assume we don't include walk-ons and that every team uses up all 13 scholarships. That means that roughly an average of 3.25 players per team leave college basketball each year.
3.25 players x 351 D1 teams x 25% = 285 players per year that leave school and go pro per your estimate.
To answer this question let me quote from this article about Jake Thomas signing to play in Switzerland
http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/thomas-signs-pro-deal-with-swiss-team/article_63e13dfa-ef8f-11e3-b41c-0019bb2963f4.html
Thomas, the former St. Catherine's High School standout who started at shooting guard for Marquette University last season, has signed a contract to play professionally for SAM Basket Massagno, in Massagno, Switzerland.
Besides receiving an unspecified yearly salary, Thomas will get several other perks, including a free apartment and meal money.
What this means is he getting no money. If you're getting paid "real money" you don't need "meal money." Further his "free apartment" is most likely a 2 bedroom with four team members in it. Think of it as a nice dorm room.
Point is their a tons of opportunities to "get paid" in Europe if you're willing to take about $1,000 to $1,500/month. Given that this is what most get paid, yes, their are hundreds of opportunities to "get paid" in Europe. But most business school/engineering undergrads are getting paid more.
Speaking of Buycks, where is he? I wrote on my office wall in sharpie that he inked a deal with the Lakers.
It thought the same about Buycks, he was not listed on the website.
I'm a refugee from Wisconsin.
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 30, 2014, 03:03:33 PM
Thomas, the former St. Catherine's High School standout who started at shooting guard for Marquette University last season, has signed a contract to play professionally for SAM Basket Massagno, in Massagno, Switzerland.
Besides receiving an unspecified yearly salary, Thomas will get several other perks, including a free apartment and meal money.
What this means is he getting no money. If you're getting paid "real money" you don't need "meal money." Further his "free apartment" is most likely a 2 bedroom with four team members in it. Think of it as a nice dorm room.
NBA players get meal money... Its called a per diem. I would imagine Europeans are not getting the $100-$125 that NBA players get though. I can't comment on the housing though.
Quote from: JEllensonWags85 on November 30, 2014, 10:03:48 PM
NBA players get meal money... Its called a per diem. I would imagine Europeans are not getting the $100-$125 that NBA players get though. I can't comment on the housing though.
I know the owner of a team in this league (Nyon, Switzerland). About $1,500/month and 4 guys in the 2 bedrooms. They all have youth leagues and the players run regular clinics for the kids on off days. Meal money includes regular barbecues at the owners house.
Think of class A ball here. You do it because you're young, it's different and a way to see Europe. But if your contract is not bought by a higher rated league, that also pays more money, after a season or two, you move on to the real world.
(http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=569&d=1369832269)
When you don't have a shot at your national team, become a dual citizen.
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Let's not forget
Yudzhin Dzheter
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/5f/80/5f8016c4df75bab9009c9e12423d3ab1.jpg?itok=6gDq-BbB)
I was once presented with an informal offer to buy into a "professional" club team overseas. Based on what I saw, it was not much more than AAU level sophistication. Truly a "club" in many ways. Not a lot of revenue, sub par facilities, etc.
Outside of the top Euro teams, it really isn't that glamorous. There's a huge chasm between even mid level and top tier in Europe.
There's a Russian 2nd division team in the city where I live... From pick-up ball with some of them and with older guys who used to play, I've learned they make about $3k/month in season, but no "formal" salary out of season. There are a couple foreigners in the league, but they make same money as the Russians. Money comes from state sponsorship plus advertising and corporate sponsorship. Facilities are like a small town high school. Quality is like a UWSP or UWP game.
Okay. I think my discussion with chick then depends on what we define as pro basketball. No doubt guys like DG and Travis (last year) are/were pros in my mind. Jake, playing for meals and a doubled up bedroom, not so much. Of course guys playing in the D league count.
Sorry about the darn auto-correct guys.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2014, 07:45:09 PM
Okay. I think ky discussion with chick then depends on what we define as pro basketball. No doubt guys like DG and Travis (last year) are/were pros in my mind. Jake, playing for meals and a doubled up bedroom, not so much. Of course guys bbc.co in the D league count.
Poor choice of phrasing there Glow ;D semantics are important. I dont know though. If you get paid to play basketball and make a good enough living to where you dont need a second job I think it counts as professional.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2014, 07:45:09 PM
Okay. I think ky discussion with chick then depends on what we define as pro basketball. No doubt guys like DG and Travis (last year) are/were pros in my mind. Jake, playing for meals and a doubled up bedroom, not so much. Of course guys bbc.co in the D league count.
That wasn't the discussion. You are only eliminating types because your guess was way lower than mine. Like Wags said, Jake's deal is like A baseball. Better even. Those A and rookie league ball players don't get housing. And Jake isn't stuck in Peoria or Cedar Rapids; he is experiencing European life.
If you got remuneration for being a player on a basketball team, that counts.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 01, 2014, 08:22:08 PM
That wasn't the discussion. You are only eliminating types because your guess was way lower than mine. Like Wags said, Jake's deal is like A baseball. Better even. Those A and rookie league ball players don't get housing. And Jake isn't stuck in Peoria or Cedar Rapids; he is experiencing European life.
If you got remuneration for being a player on a basketball team, that counts.
I agree chick. If you are handed a paycheck with a number greater than zero, you are a professional. They all count.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 01, 2014, 08:14:05 PM
Poor choice of phrasing there Glow ;D semantics are important. I dont know though. If you get paid to play basketball and make a good enough living to where you dont need a second job I think it counts as professional.
Agree with that for sure.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 01, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
I agree chick. If you are handed a paycheck with a number greater than zero, you are a professional. They all count.
Guess I hadn't appreciated that three squares and a bunk bed were a 'professional' option when I was considering my estimate. I was thinking more in the line of medium to high five figures as a salary. Of course chick is right. What was I thinking? (Lesson for you in there Chitown. Plus the freakin' MU tickets are in
her name.) ;D
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 01, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
I agree chick. If you are handed a paycheck with a number greater than zero, you are a professional. They all count.
A paycheck makes you a professional.