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Title: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Jables1604 on November 18, 2014, 11:15:41 AM
In the last, let's say 15-20 years, who was the player that transferred out of Marquette that you were the saddest to see go?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 18, 2014, 11:22:24 AM
Wade when he transferred to the NBA.  But no seriously Id say mbakwe or maymonn.  I feel like they would've been great had they stayed here. 
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Groin_pull on November 18, 2014, 11:23:46 AM
ODB
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
Odartey Blankson.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
Trevor Mbakwe.

He had his share of injuries and off-court issues but check out the MU rosters for Buzz's first 3 seasons at MU. Now, imagine those teams with a legit 14 and 10 guy in the post.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:26:24 AM
Are you including signees that didn't show up?  Tyshawn Taylor.

Pure transfer?  Trevor Mbakwe...but Jameel McKay may overtake him.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Daniel on November 18, 2014, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
Odartey Blankson.

Bingo. +1
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUCam on November 18, 2014, 11:27:13 AM
Mbakwe then ODB.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
Would ODB made a difference on the Final Four team?  What role would he have played that wasn't picked up otherwise?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUfan12 on November 18, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
Would ODB made a difference on the Final Four team?  What role would he have played that wasn't picked up otherwise?

And he may have limited Novak's minutes off the bench, which ended up being key in their tourney run.

My pick? Jamail Jones. Didn't come from a good situation, and I was hopeful things would work out for him here. Glad to see he's found a niche at FGCU.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: T-Bone on November 18, 2014, 11:32:26 AM
ODB.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: dgies9156 on November 18, 2014, 11:32:44 AM
Jeronne Maymon, because we missed 3.5 years of drama with Tim!
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
Would ODB made a difference on the Final Four team?  What role would he have played that wasn't picked up otherwise?

Perhaps many are interpreting the question as most sad to see leave at the time he left.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
DJ NEWBILL When his scholarship got transferred to the shredder in Berts office.....

That kid has averaged 17.9 ppg for all 3 years in college and is still "The Goods."

We could sure use him this year as a Senior.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GOO on November 18, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
Would ODB made a difference on the Final Four team?  What role would he have played that wasn't picked up otherwise?

ODB for me.  At least at the time.  As it turned out, maybe it worked out for us.  However, at the time we were looking at a great team, and still were, but with a big hole at PF.

Maybe if ODB stayed, the team isn't a final four team.  Things are strange that way, what seems great may not be and vice versa, until it plays out.

I do know that having ODB would not have mattered in the Kansas final four game.  He wasn't going to stopping that truck that hit us  :-[

So, I guess it worked out for MU in the end, but at the time of transfer it looked like it took a team with great potential down a notch.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Litehouse on November 18, 2014, 11:35:08 AM
Definitely Odartey.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUfan12 on November 18, 2014, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
DJ NEWBILL When his scholarship got transferred to the shredder in Berts office.....

That kid has averaged 17.9 ppg for all 3 years in college and is still "The Goods."

We could sure use him this year as a Senior.

He wouldn't be here this year, he had to sit out when he transferred from So. Miss to Penn State.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Texas Western on November 18, 2014, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
DJ NEWBILL When his scholarship got transferred to the shredder in Berts office.....

That kid has averaged 17.9 ppg for all 3 years in college and is still "The Goods."

We could sure use him this year as a Senior.
I agree with this. It was shameful what happened.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Marquette_g on November 18, 2014, 11:37:10 AM
I'm not convinced ODB was anymore than a guy.  I'd say Mbwake if Taylor doesn't count.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 18, 2014, 11:36:28 AM
He wouldn't be here this year, he had to sit out when he transferred from So. Miss to Penn State.

Yea you right..... But I would have loved to have had him for the last 4 years....
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
Quote from: GOO on November 18, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
ODB for me.  At least at the time.  As it turned out, maybe it worked out for us.  However, at the time we were looking at a great team, and still were, but with a big hole at PF.

Maybe if ODB stayed, the team isn't a final four team.  Things are strange that way, what seems great may not be and vice versa, until it plays out.

I do know that having ODB would not have mattered in the Kansas final four game.  He wasn't going to stopping that truck that hit us  :-[

So, I guess it worked out for MU in the end, but at the time of transfer it looked like it took a team with great potential down a notch.


That is kind of where I stand.  At the time it seemed like a big deal..but I don't think it ended up mattering at the end.

The reason I say Mbakwe, is that I think he could have been a great 6th man in Buzz's first year.  Would have added height in the midget year.  And then could have been a senior when we got blown out in the S16 v. North Carolina.

(Although that ended up being the role that JFB played those years so who knows.)
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
Yea you right..... But I would have loved to have had him for the last 4 years....


More than Jamil?  (Cause that was the choice.)
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on November 18, 2014, 11:44:09 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:41:41 AM

More than Jamil?  (Cause that was the choice.)

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would prefer DJ Newbill, especially if it means not compromising your professed values as a coach.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 18, 2014, 11:45:08 AM
I would say Mbakwe. A dominant big was something we sorely missed for years. Loved Otule but would have been nice to have a two dimensional center.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on November 18, 2014, 11:44:09 AM
Hindsight is 20/20, but I would prefer DJ Newbill, especially if it means not compromising your professed values as a coach.


I don't think Buzz felt that he compromised anything.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:41:41 AM

More than Jamil?  (Cause that was the choice.)

Jamil averaged 4 frosh, 7 soph, 9 junior and 11 senior points a game in his career.

I'll take DJ, plus Jamil was not a leader at all....

Last year I couldn't tell who was the Freshmen Him, JuJuan, Deonte, John or Duane...
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Freeport Warrior on November 18, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
One of the most recent ones bums me out the most because it would impact this year's team. I've posted this a few times, but just wait until Jameel McKay comes on the scene at Iowa State later this year. He could have really helped us this year and last. He is a great "running" big man who is an athletic freak. I was talking to a former MU big man who knows him well and his response, "he's a pro,  no doubt about it." I agree and think he definitely has a shot at the NBA, but definitely high level international. He reminds me of a taller, lankier, higher-motor Jamil.  I don't have any inside info on the topic, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dawson transfer at some point. Apparently Wally is really making an impression with motor, attitude and team-first approach. I wasn't high on him based on my limited viewing of his game, so this is nice to hear.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 11:52:06 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
Jamil averaged 4 frosh, 7 soph, 9 junior and 11 senior points a game in his career.

I'll take DJ, plus Jamil was not a leader at all....

POINTS!!!!

DJ's not getting the shots or minutes at MU that he's gotten at So Miss and PSU.

How do you know Jamil was not a leader? How do you know Newbill IS a leader?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
Yeah Newbill seems like a volume shooter on a team without a great deal of talent.

Their EFG% is about the same.  Jamil is better at rebounds and assists - DJ has a A/T ratio below 1 too.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: reinko on November 18, 2014, 11:59:04 AM
Carlton Christian
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 11:52:06 AM
POINTS!!!!

DJ's not getting the shots or minutes at MU that he's gotten at So Miss and PSU.

How do you know Jamil was not a leader? How do you know Newbill IS a leader?


Hey dont shoot the Messenger.....

"Two seasons ago Crowder, a similar player in style to Wilson, laid and built Marquette's foundation on being the heart and soul of the team — Williams' words, not mine. And if Williams truly wants to get back to where his team was built, that's the best place to start.

Wilson doesn't need to be Jae Crowder. Marquette will be successful even if Wilson isn't the conference's best player who receives All-American votes and is drafted the following June. He needs to be Marquette's heart and soul and make the players around him better. Jamil Wilson is very good. He needs to be great.
It's within his skill set, maturity and the trust Williams and his teammates have in him.

Jamil Wilson isn't Marquette's problem, but he's the one player who can fix them."


Did this happen? No.....
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 12:00:31 PM
Hey dont shoot the Messenger.....

"Two seasons ago Crowder, a similar player in style to Wilson, laid and built Marquette's foundation on being the heart and soul of the team — Williams' words, not mine. And if Williams truly wants to get back to where his team was built, that's the best place to start.

Wilson doesn't need to be Jae Crowder. Marquette will be successful even if Wilson isn't the conference's best player who receives All-American votes and is drafted the following June. He needs to be Marquette's heart and soul and make the players around him better. Jamil Wilson is very good. He needs to be great.
It's within his skill set, maturity and the trust Williams and his teammates have in him.

Jamil Wilson isn't Marquette's problem, but he's the one player who can fix them."


Did this happen? No.....

But Newbill would have fixed MU's problems?

Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 12:00:31 PM
Hey dont shoot the Messenger.....

"Two seasons ago Crowder, a similar player in style to Wilson, laid and built Marquette's foundation on being the heart and soul of the team — Williams' words, not mine. And if Williams truly wants to get back to where his team was built, that's the best place to start.

Wilson doesn't need to be Jae Crowder. Marquette will be successful even if Wilson isn't the conference's best player who receives All-American votes and is drafted the following June. He needs to be Marquette's heart and soul and make the players around him better. Jamil Wilson is very good. He needs to be great.
It's within his skill set, maturity and the trust Williams and his teammates have in him.

Jamil Wilson isn't Marquette's problem, but he's the one player who can fix them."


Did this happen? No.....


So because Jamil didn't live up to expectations, he is less valuable?  You should judge the players versus one another and the options in front of them.  Not versus our expectations.

Furthermore, Newbill would have been a back up to Blue most of his career at MU.  Starting only last year.  There was not a replacement for Jamil.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: reinko on November 18, 2014, 12:08:36 PM
This is going to end well.

Cue Ners and talking DWill in 3, 2, 1...
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Aughnanure on November 18, 2014, 12:12:23 PM
Mbakwe.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 12:07:05 PM

So because Jamil didn't live up to expectations, he is less valuable?  You should judge the players versus one another and the options in front of them.  Not versus our expectations.

Furthermore, Newbill would have been a back up to Blue most of his career at MU.  Starting only last year.  There was not a replacement for Jamil.

Lets Digress..... Jamil did good, Newbill did good... The End
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 18, 2014, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
DJ NEWBILL When his scholarship got transferred to the shredder in Berts office.....

That kid has averaged 17.9 ppg for all 3 years in college and is still "The Goods."

We could sure use him this year as a Senior.

Pretty sure he would halve been a senior last year had he stayed at MU.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: willie warrior on November 18, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:46:17 AM

I don't think Buzz felt that he compromised anything.
Sultan slurp/defending the phony one. The beat goes on.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: keefe on November 18, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:46:17 AM

I don't think Buzz felt that he compromised anything.

"Aye, there's the rub..."

Precisely the point with Bert. Having said which, college basketball is a business. Some enterprises choose to manage their people a la Bert. I am thankful that higher authority was resolute in their discomfort with many aspects of how Bert chose to run the daily operations. A case study in minimizing exposure by getting the problem to opt out.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: BCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
Jamel McKay since we have no height this year, they could have used him right now, probably start as the center, right he did not want to play that position, that is why he left.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: willie warrior on November 18, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: keefe on November 18, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
"Aye, there's the rub..."

Precisely the point with Bert. Having said which, college basketball is a business. Some enterprises choose to manage their people a la Bert. I am thankful that higher authority was resolute in their discomfort with many aspects of how Bert chose to run the daily operations. A case study in minimizing exposure by getting the problem to opt out.
Keefe--how dare you imply that Buzz was stealthily shown the door. The Buzz lovers will not be happy with that analysis.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: chapman on November 18, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
DJ NEWBILL When his scholarship got transferred to the shredder in Berts office.....

That kid has averaged 17.9 ppg for all 3 years in college and is still "The Goods."

We could sure use him this year as a Senior.

Agree.  The Creaned equivalent, Damian Saunders, would be the next one on my list.  Averaged 13.6 ppg/8.9 rpg his sophomore-senior years while playing as an undersized five for Duquesne.


Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:46:17 AM

I don't think Buzz felt that he compromised anything.

Well, that seems to fit...  :P

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2lw58uv.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
Odartey Blankson.

I understand the concerns about whether we'd have made the Final Four in 2003 - a question to which we'll never know the answer.  Chemistry would have been different, but the overall talent level would have been higher.  And his minutes would have come primarily from Sanders, not Novak.  Steve would have been our designated 3-point bomber regardless of who started.  In any event, it's pretty safe to suspect that we would have been very successful that season.

And we almost certainly would have had a better season in 2003-04.  Instead, we had a 19-12 season that ended in the NIT.  
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 18, 2014, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
Jamel McKay since we have no height this year, they could have used him right now, probably start as the center, right he did not want to play that position, that is why he left.

If theres one thing we learned so far with Wojo though, its that there are no real set positions. Heck, there was a lineup the other day with Carlino, Derrick and Duane.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: swoopem on November 18, 2014, 12:44:21 PM
Someone please help me out here, where did ODB transfer to and what was the reasoning?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: reinko on November 18, 2014, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: swoopem on November 18, 2014, 12:44:21 PM
Someone please help me out here, where did ODB transfer to and what was the reasoning?

1. UNLV
2. He wanted to be the man.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2014, 12:50:40 PM
And ODB averaged 17.6 and 10.2 as a junior; and 17.5 and 8.1 as a senior.  First team all-MWC both years.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 18, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on November 18, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
Sultan slurp/defending the phony one. The beat goes on.


Didn't defend him.  Merely said what I thought his mindset was.

Seriously, how do you function in life with so little reading comprehension ability?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nukem2 on November 18, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
Not ODB.  Loved him, but he would have changed the makeup of that Final 4 team in 2003.  Not a knock on him, but things would have been different.  As an earlier postyer noted, Novak might not have been in  position to do what he did in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 18, 2014, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
Odartey Blankson.

I understand the concerns about whether we'd have made the Final Four in 2003 - a question to which we'll never know the answer.  Chemistry would have been different, but the overall talent level would have been higher.  And his minutes would have come primarily from Sanders, not Novak.  Steve would have been our designated 3-point bomber regardless of who started.  In any event, it's pretty safe to suspect that we would have been very successful that season.

And we almost certainly would have had a better season in 2003-04.  Instead, we had a 19-12 season that ended in the NIT.  
ODB would've taken Townsend's minutes.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: keefe on November 18, 2014, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 11:52:06 AM


How do you know Jamil was not a leader?

Safe to say Nevada has keener insight into the current MU team than you ever will
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: BCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 18, 2014, 12:41:18 PM
If theres one thing we learned so far with Wojo though, its that there are no real set positions. Heck, there was a lineup the other day with Carlino, Derrick and Duane.

Agreed play the best player, anybody can bring the ball over half court if there is no press on.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: keefe on November 18, 2014, 01:11:49 PM
Safe to say Nevada has keener insight into the current MU team than you ever will

How do YOU know that Jamil was not a leader? Oh that's right, because the team wasn't very good.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 01:26:11 PM
How do YOU know that Jamil was not a leader? Oh that's right, because the team wasn't very good.


Nevada knows.... Just accept it....
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: keefe on November 18, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 01:26:11 PM
How do YOU know that Jamil was not a leader? Oh that's right, because the team wasn't very good.


I don't know anything about Jamil's leadership last season. My point is that Nevada has close, first-hand insight into the team that no one else here does. You asked how Nevada knew if Jamil was a leader . I know that Nevada does have insight no one else does. If he writes that Jamil's leadership was wanting last season I would accept that as fact.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: keefe on November 18, 2014, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on November 18, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
Nevada knows.... Just accept it....

You could actually set up a premium site and get Scoopers to pay money. It would be better intel than IWB's SaaS model. Just don't say "#done deal"
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nukem2 on November 18, 2014, 01:48:34 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
Jamel McKay since we have no height this year, they could have used him right now, probably start as the center, right he did not want to play that position, that is why he left.
Notice that Fred Hoiberg keeps saying that McKay will be the rim protector that ISU has not had.....hmmmmm.  Maybe the grass is not greener?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: keefe on November 18, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
I don't know anything about Jamil's leadership last season. My point is that Nevada has close, first-hand insight into the team that no one else here does. You asked how Nevada knew if Jamil was a leader . I know that Nevada does have insight no one else does. If he writes that Jamil's leadership was wanting last season I would accept that as fact.

Not singling out Nevada but I honestly don't believe anyone on this board has as much "first-hand insight" as they may claim. It's a message board. I take all insider info with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Litehouse on November 18, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
I always thought Nevada has some connection to Dawson.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: NersEllenson on November 18, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Quote from: Texas Western on November 18, 2014, 11:37:06 AM
I agree with this. It was shameful what happened.

Agree DJ Newbill would have been great to have at MU.  Was my first red flag with Buzz...but gave him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't shady.  Yet, sources have since confirmed it was in fact a direct "trade" for Jamil.

Knowing what we know now, and how things went down with Todd Mayo - would have been much better to have had DJ.  Expect DJ will have a huge year at PSU, even though he'll likely face constant double teams.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Pakuni on November 18, 2014, 04:12:45 PM
All these posts, and yet not one mention of Amo?
I'd have kept that guy around just for the mustache and poker tips
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: NersEllenson on November 18, 2014, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Litehouse on November 18, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
I always thought Nevada has some connection to Dawson.

Doubt it...if he did have a connection I'd think he'd be blowing me up for all the support I've given John   ;D ...and that hasn't been the case.  Yet I do know he's connected quite well to the program..perhaps an MU Bball alum?  Hmm.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: WarriorInNYC on November 18, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on November 18, 2014, 04:12:45 PM
All these posts, and yet not one mention of Amo?
I'd have kept that guy around just for the mustache and poker tips

He was monumental in us earning that Great Alaska Shootout banner
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Coleman on November 18, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
Scotty too hottie Christopherson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0339sw7R0XI
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: drewm88 on November 18, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Dameon Mason.

Not saying that we would have been better off with him staying, or that he tore it up at LSU, but I was seriously bummed at the time.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
1. Mbakwe
2. McKay
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: reinko on November 18, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 18, 2014, 04:19:08 PM
Doubt it...if he did have a connection I'd think he'd be blowing me up for all the support I've given John   ;D ...and that hasn't been the case.  Yet I do know he's connected quite well to the program..perhaps an MU Bball alum?  Hmm.

Nevada, Nevada....hmmm...

Odartey!  How the hell are you??
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: CAINMUTINY on November 18, 2014, 04:44:04 PM
ODB -- We would have gotten much closer to a title in 2003 with him.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Earl Tatum on November 18, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
Mbakwe was a stud. Number 1 big time player.  If not McKay would been a factor this year.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 18, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: Litehouse on November 18, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
I always thought Nevada has some connection to Dawson.

You've got to pay attention around here.  ;)

My vote is Newbill, then Maymon.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: RJax55 on November 18, 2014, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 18, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
Mbakwe was a stud. Number 1 big time player. 

Agree. He was a huge loss, what a rebounder. Would have been great on The Amigos senior season team.

On ODB, he left because he didn't want to play in DWade's shadow. He thought "that" was going to hold back his pro prospects and not allow him to showcase his skills. Pure silliness. The FF team was better without that ego.

Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 18, 2014, 09:18:01 PM
Manchild Matthews
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 18, 2014, 09:18:01 PM
Manchild Matthews

Didn't he beat up TC?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Blackhat on November 18, 2014, 09:38:42 PM
Beat down Wardle.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: NCMUFan on November 18, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
I would say Ammo.  Not because he was the most talented player to transfer, but because we really needed some height and rebounding.  Those were the days of playing Dan Fitzgerald and Dwight Burke at center.  Unfortunate Crean and Ammo's personalities clashed.  Ammo had a nack for the ball.  High BB IQ.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: keefe on November 18, 2014, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 18, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
Not singling out Nevada but I honestly don't believe anyone on this board has as much "first-hand insight" as they may claim. It's a message board. I take all insider info with a grain of salt.


Nevada knows more inside scoop within the team than all the rest of us combined.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 18, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
Yous Mboa.  Our inbounding defense has never been the same.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
Sean, my roommate freshman year. He got homesick and moved back to Philly. Good guy, and I missed him!
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Afroman on November 18, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
Mbakwe without question.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 18, 2014, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 18, 2014, 01:09:18 PM
ODB would've taken Townsend's minutes.

Townsend would be my #1 name for "Transfers Out of MU You Hoped to See But Were Sad When They Didn't Leave"
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: WarriorInNYC on November 19, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 18, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
Yous Mboa.  Our inbounding defense has never been the same.

+1 this made me chuckle
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on November 19, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
Daemon Mason I think his name was...? A long 6'6 raw and talented kid out of Chicago. I forget what school he went to, I guess I could go look. Maybe it was Simeon?

Not sure where that young man is and what he is doing....wasn't cut out for school but I thought he could have been a good one. Not sure if he was kicked off team or if he was did he transfer?

I think he is from Chicago and Jamail Jones. Jamail was a great guy and a good teammate and he left when he would have been needed that next year.

He left too early. They need anyone who could hit a jump shot that next year and he could at least do that and had some size and worked hard.

Those two jump out at me and then yes, of course Trevor Mbakwe who went to Minnesota.

He was a beast and was Jae Crowder before Jae Crowder got here...
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 19, 2014, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on November 19, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
Daemon Mason I think his name was...? A long 6'6 raw and talented kid out of Chicago. I forget what school he went to, I guess I could go look. Maybe it was Simeon?

Not sure where that young man is and what he is doing....wasn't cut out for school but I thought he could have been a good one. Not sure if he was kicked off team or if he was did he transfer?

I think he is from Chicago and Jamail Jones. Jamail was a great guy and a good teammate and he left when he would have been needed that next year.

He left too early. They need anyone who could hit a jump shot that next year and he could at least do that and had some size and worked hard.

Those two jump out at me and then yes, of course Trevor Mbakwe who went to Minnesota.

He was a beast and was Jae Crowder before Jae Crowder got here...
I believe Mason went to a suburban school...down near Richards, but not Richards.

He hit the game winner vs. Louisville.

He was very highly rated, but it was apparent fairly early that he wasn't going to be an impact guy. He was a fairly poor shooter and had a very loose handle. In fact, I suspected he had been promised a certain number of minutes because IMO he really didn't deserve the PT given to him. He went to LSU, I believe, and didn't pan out.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 19, 2014, 06:34:08 PM
I believe Mason went to a suburban school...down near Richards, but not Richards.

He hit the game winner vs. Louisville.

He was very highly rated, but it was apparent fairly early that he wasn't going to be an impact guy. He was a fairly poor shooter and had a very loose handle. In fact, I suspected he had been promised a certain number of minutes because IMO he really didn't deserve the PT given to him. He went to LSU, I believe, and didn't pan out.

Mason went to high school in Aurora, a western suburb of Chicago.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 19, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
Dameon Mason, though it would have been interesting to see how he would have fit with Dom, Wes, and Jerel.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUSF on November 19, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 18, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
Would ODB made a difference on the Final Four team?  What role would he have played that wasn't picked up otherwise?

Really hard to say, but I think it's certainly possible.  Todd Townsend was slightly less than a poor man's version of ODB.  With Blankson starting over TT, we would have had about equal D and rebounding at the position but significantly more potential for offensive production.  At a minimum, I would say we don't get blown out by Kansas.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: pbiflyer on November 19, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
Oluma nmamika (sp?) just because I lke the name.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: MUSF on November 19, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 19, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
Oluma nmamika (sp?) just because I lke the name.

Pretty sure he didn't transfer.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Ellisium on November 20, 2014, 01:29:46 AM
Quote from: MUSF on November 19, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
At a minimum, I would say we don't get blown out by Kansas.

What is with all of the Odartey Blankson props?  Not sure how someone who was never drafted into the NBA would have made much of a difference in the loss to Kansas.  Blame that one on Crean.  His history of coaching in big games isn't that great.  More often than not, his teams aren't prepared.  I still find it amusing that 2 sweet 16 appearances is as far as he's gotten @ Indiana.  Sometimes, you have a great thing and shouldn't leave it behind.  Well...... I'm glad you did leave Tom.  Wojo gets better recruiting classes than you at a non blue chip program.   
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: seakm4 on November 20, 2014, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
Mason went to high school in Aurora, a western suburb of Chicago.

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Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Knight Commission on November 20, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
1. ODB - without question. Todd Townsend just didnt have it. It was devastating heading into that year.
2. Shannon Smith - He was an NBA talent (would have made it if he stayed at MU), and while he played sloppy at MU, he was too young at the time and blossomed at UWM. He stuffed a Jordan shot when he was in HS.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3ABqr6BjR4
3. Mbawke
4. Dameon Mason
5. Corey Floyd - We really needed him given his HS ranking, and talent, at the lowest point in MU bball history.       http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19871125&id=p-AjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vioEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2314,645885
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Aughnanure on November 20, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
Wasn't it found out later Mason had a heart condition?
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: LastWarrior on November 20, 2014, 09:51:07 AM
My vote is ODB
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Henry Sugar on November 20, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
#1 - ODB. He would have taken Townsend's minutes
#2 - Mbakwe. As a healthy junior and senior, he was nationally ranked at eFG%, OR%, DR%, and block%.

Of course, both those guys would have been so much drama. Not convinced I really would have wanted either of them to stay.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
Eh...I'm not sure Shannon Smith had NBA talent.  In fact I have never once regretted that he transferred. 
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 20, 2014, 02:57:48 PM
Ryan Amoroso, Gerald Posey, Jeff Zavada, Keith Stewart and  Anthony Candelino
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 20, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
John Ellenson.  Marquette has no chance to land his talented son Henry now.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Autoengineer on November 20, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
Monterale Clark     Not a transfer, but what a waste of talent.   
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 20, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
Didn't he beat up TC?


Shoulda hey? I'd pay dollars to watch that chit go down.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: Nevada233 on November 22, 2014, 04:08:34 AM
Big Game Winner by DJ Newbill vs Cornell.....

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/11/22/7266607/dj-newbill-hits-game-winner-for-penn-state-after-cornells-inbounds

Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: WarriorFan on November 22, 2014, 05:09:50 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 20, 2014, 02:57:48 PM
Ryan Amoroso, Gerald Posey, Jeff Zavada, Keith Stewart and  Anthony Candelino
Wow, there's an all - Dork team.  Posey was an imposter.  Zavada was in way over his head, and Candelino got out-played by most of the guys on court 3 at the re-center.  As a matter of fact, for a while he and Nethen were banned from court 3 because they couldn't handle getting beat and kept throwing tantrums.  I think Johnny Miller had something to do with that.
Title: Re: Transfer You Were Most Sad To See Leave
Post by: nyg on November 23, 2014, 08:18:37 AM
Regarding transfers, Jamal Ferguson is on North Carolina Central roster.  They play Creighton today on Foxsports 1, 4pm. (ET).
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