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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NersEllenson on November 15, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
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Anyone studied OSU's roster yet? Strengths/Weaknesses?
What's everyone's expectation for this game? I assume 95% of us think we will lose - but what would you consider encouraging or a moral victory of sorts?
I feel if we are competitive throughout, that the game is never in a blow out status - and we lose by less than 8, that will be a moral victory. Lose by more than 20 - that would be quite disheartening.
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Marquette lost by 17 points and score a total of 35 last season at the Bradley Center. The bar for improvement is pretty low. I anticipate Marquette coming out guns blazing and winning in overtime.
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This is going to be a very scary game this early on.
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Last year's game was the worst offensive performance by a MU team in the Modern Age. Playing in Columbus may be an improvement actually. I brought a friend to the BC for that game, and I don't think he will ever be back. Brutal
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Marquette lost by 17 points and score a total of 35 last season at the Bradley Center. The bar for improvement is pretty low. I anticipate Marquette coming out guns blazing and winning in overtime.
I am excited to see the new coach's game plan for Ohio. I suspect Wojo will play aggressively because it will offer the best chance for victory though I am not certain it will be enough as Ohio's strength is in the back court. Ohio has more size than skill up front but the guy they got from Temple, Lee, will likely have a field day against Marquette. An interesting match up will be Burton v Tate. Both are undersized but play larger and stronger. Very similar players.
I think the night pivots on our talented, quick, inexperienced backcourt v Ohio's talented, aggressive, experienced guards. Ohio lost a lot when Craft and Smith graduated but I think Shannon Scott and Sam Thompson will be even better. Ohio has depth at the 1 and 2 so Marquette might struggle trying to outrun these guys.
I am cautiously hopeful that we can make shots and create opportunities because we won't beat Ohio otherwise.
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Were not going to win and most likely get blown out.
But its just game 2 with this team and I am just hoping we some encouraging things moving forward.
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Guessin' line will be about 11.
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"Prediction?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPNQ82Sq4E
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Anyone studied OSU's roster yet? Strengths/Weaknesses?
What's everyone's expectation for this game? I assume 95% of us think we will lose - but what would you consider encouraging or a moral victory of sorts?
I feel if we are competitive throughout, that the game is never in a blow out status - and we lose by less than 8, that will be a moral victory. Lose by more than 20 - that would be quite disheartening.
PT will hopefully be posting one soon
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Guessin' line will be about 11.
I hope so, I'll make a whole bunch of money betting on OSU.
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Pomeroy has us as 11 point dogs. That being said, I think we turn them over enough to cover the rebounding margin and make it closer than that. OSU by 8.
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I am excited to see the new coach's game plan for Ohio. I suspect Wojo will play aggressively because it will offer the best chance for victory though I am not certain it will be enough as Ohio's strength is in the back court. Ohio has more size than skill up front but the guy they got from Temple, Lee, will likely have a field day against Marquette. An interesting match up will be Burton v Tate. Both are undersized but play larger and stronger. Very similar players.
I think the night pivots on our talented, quick, inexperienced backcourt v Ohio's talented, aggressive, experienced guards. Ohio lost a lot when Craft and Smith graduated but I think Shannon Scott and Sam Thompson will be even better. Ohio has depth at the 1 and 2 so Marquette might struggle trying to outrun these guys.
I am cautiously hopeful that we can make shots and create opportunities because we won't beat Ohio otherwise.
I would figure that you would refer to OSU as Ohio State and not stoop to Brady Hoke's silly antics. Where have Brady's gimmicks gotten him???
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If we get in foul trouble early, this could get ugly in a hurry. I say OSU by 22, and I won't be pissed if it is one-sided. Save the great underdog effort for Wisky.
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I would figure that you would refer to OSU as Ohio State and not stoop to Brady Hoke's silly antics. Where have Brady's gimmicks gotten him???
The fallacy in your statement is in assuming Brady Hoke coined or even popularized the reference. Members of the Michigan community have long referred to the state college in Columbus as simply Ohio. St. Glenn often referred to them collectively as 'the Ohios.' Hoke was merely latching on to an existing convention that had traction among Michigan alums for decades.
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Anyone studied OSU's roster yet? Strengths/Weaknesses?
What's everyone's expectation for this game? I assume 95% of us think we will lose - but what would you consider encouraging or a moral victory of sorts?
I feel if we are competitive throughout, that the game is never in a blow out status - and we lose by less than 8, that will be a moral victory. Lose by more than 20 - that would be quite disheartening.
Looks like they have a very talented freshman guard this year. Also the transfer from Temple should be a strong player for them. Lots of size overall. I am glad we are playing them early in the season. Will provide good tough road experience we can draw on when the conference schedule starts. I would like to see us continue to execute the offensive concepts we did against UTM and less concerned with the final score.
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Last year's game was the worst offensive performance by a MU team in the Modern Age. Playing in Columbus may be an improvement actually. I brought a friend to the BC for that game, and I don't think he will ever be back. Brutal
I don't know, I saw several under O'Neill and Deane that fit that description. MU against Syracuse was brutal as well. Safe to say, it was definitely a major clunker.
OSU by 7
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The fallacy in your statement is in assuming Brady Hoke coined or even popularized the reference. Members of the Michigan community have long referred to the state college in Columbus as simply Ohio. St. Glenn often referred to them collectively as 'the Ohios.' Hoke was merely latching on to an existing convention that had traction among Michigan alums for decades.
The fallacy in your statement is assuming that I assume that Brady Hoke coined or even popularized the reference. I don't recall even implying that, although I am sure you would acknowledge that Brady is the first coach to so refer to OSU since who knows when.
This is fun. We should continue.
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I don't know, I saw several under O'Neill and Deane that fit that description. MU against Syracuse was brutal as well. Safe to say, it was definitely a major clunker.
OSU by 7
Modern Age=Stats Age...you date yourself.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/stats?season1=1997&season2=2014&conf=&team=marquette&stat=points_possession_avg&low=1
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Modern Age=Stats Age...you date yourself.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/stats?season1=1997&season2=2014&conf=&team=marquette&stat=points_possession_avg&low=1
Apparently so....I thought for sure they kept stats back then. :P If I remember correctly, Statsheet only went back about 10 years a few years ago, so it seems they are working their way back. Or maybe it was another site.
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The fallacy in your statement is assuming that I assume that Brady Hoke coined or even popularized the reference. I don't recall even implying that, although I am sure you would acknowledge that Brady is the first coach to so refer to OSU since who knows when.
This is fun. We should continue.
The tradition goes back the 1920's. We agree that Hoke latched on to it and used it more frequently than any other coach since Bo. I have been to UofM alumni events and speakers, including Lloyd Carr, dropped the convention into their pitches to great effect. After all, the point of alumni gatherings is to get people laughing and stirring up fond memories of their time in A squared before passing the hat.
What is silly is the far more recent convention of "The" Ohio State University. Ohioans began adding that meaningless emphasis in the late 80's to differentiate from other OSUs. It was explained that it was to underscore Ohio State's rising national stature. Frankly, it is little more than a cynical marketing ploy.
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Apparently so....I thought for sure they kept stats back then. :P If I remember correctly, Statsheet only went back about 10 years a few years ago, so it seems they are working their way back. Or maybe it was another site.
They added a bunch of years about two years ago...so this will be the 18th season. I think before this time, there are no digital histories so it is too sporadic with 300+ teams versus the pro leagues who people like Oliver were able to access.
Thank god Al Gore invented the Internet back then or we wouldn't have known that last year was just a version of the "17 Year Plague", not to be repeated for another generation, right?
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What is silly is the far more recent convention of "The" Ohio State University.
The fallacy in your statement is nonexistent. I completely agree. Pretty ridiculous, to say the least.
Who is the next Michigan head coach? Stoops? Harbaugh? Miles? Someone else?
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Ohio is the worst state in the union, no doubt.
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The fallacy in your statement is nonexistent. I completely agree. Pretty ridiculous, to say the least.
Who is the next Michigan head coach? Stoops? Harbaugh? Miles? Someone else?
The more I keep hearing Harbaugh (x2) and Miles in completely uninformed Michigan version of Scoop channels I am convinced it will be a wild card hire. I believe the new President is sincere in saying the Michigan pedigree is a tertiary consideration at best. He likes to point out that his lack of Michigan heritage was not a detriment in his training to leave Brown for U of M.
Interestingly, he is learning that athletics are more important in Ann Arbor than they ever were in Providence. Shades of Scotty II??
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2014/11/13/mark-schlissel-michigan-football/18963933/
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I'm expecting a lot of 3s.
A lot of MU 3s.
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This will be a major learning experience for MU. The point spread predictions above are generally optimistic but that should be of no surprise given we are MU fans. Just remember not to become bipolar and trash the team if they do not live up to what we want versus what is realistic this early in the season.
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LNH Link: Marquette Travels to Our Big Ten #1 Ohio State (http://latenighthoops.com/marquette-travels-big-ten-1-ohio-state/#.VGiyMPnF8-M)
Commentary on key tOSU players, etc. Don't like the match up much.
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LNH Link: Marquette Travels to Our Big Ten #1 Ohio State (http://latenighthoops.com/marquette-travels-big-ten-1-ohio-state/#.VGiyMPnF8-M)
Commentary on key tOSU players, etc. Don't like the match up much.
As always, a nice synopsis. *If* MU has a chance, it is via full court pressure while staying out of foul trouble. tOSU's roster is comprised of mostly freshmen or seniors. If MU can pressure and cause an uptempo game against their youngsters, it will play into MU strengths of low turnovers on offense and high turnover generation on defense.
Matta's teams always play excellent defense, and they will want to make this a half court game with the distinct paint advantage. If he does, which is likely, it will be a long day as you so thoroughly point out.
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LNH Link: Marquette Travels to Our Big Ten #1 Ohio State (http://latenighthoops.com/marquette-travels-big-ten-1-ohio-state/#.VGiyMPnF8-M)
Commentary on key tOSU players, etc. Don't like the match up much.
Y'all picked Bucky over the Buckeyes? I'm curious what your rationale was. I don't think you are wrong, you're just the only site I've seen pick OSU.
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The season is still early but I believe Ohio State does have a few open questions. They lost their three leading scorers from last season and arguably the heart and soul in Craft. Russell is a high level recruit that in his first game came to play but against Umass Lowell. I think we need to figure out how to shut him down. The second person I would target is Shannon Scott. What interests me about him is that he played 30 minutes in a blow out. He and Russell accounted for 17 of 20 assists.
Neither of their centers played much. Amir Williams is Senior and starter in the first game. He didn't play much and his hasn't been a factor in his first three years.
Loving at the three is another player to watch along with Sam Thompson at the four. I expect a good number of threes from them along with Russell.
I think if we press Russell and Smith and limit them we have a good chance at this game but that could be a tough order. I would put the two Wilsons and Carlino on Smith and JJJ on Russell. Russell, at 6'5, is going to be a tough matchup if JJJ gets into foul trouble as Duane and Carlino will give up 3". Sandy and Juan might need to play more two and Deonte will have more time at the 3/4.
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I'm putting it out there...we shock the world 3 amigos style. On to the NCAA's.
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I'm putting it out there...we shock the world 3 amigos style. On to the NCAA's.
That's dreaming too small. Try again, but this time with some real flare.