Paint Touches @PaintTouches 3m3 minutes ago
#mubb RT @ReggieRankin: 2017 CG Philip Flory has reopened his recruiting after committing to Buzz Williams & Marquette.
I didnt want him anyway.
No real opinion on this yet. We'll see how he develops.
I guess we will figure out if Wojo "encouraged" this.
Shocked. Who could have seen this coming the moment he committed?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on November 14, 2014, 01:51:09 PM
Shocked. Who could have seen this coming the moment he committed?
Agree. These ultra-early commitments never seem to work out—either for the school or the player.
Quote from: ThatDude on November 14, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
I didnt want him anyway.
Is it because his visit went bad? Is he going to Kentucky?
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on November 14, 2014, 01:45:05 PM
No real opinion on this yet. We'll see how he develops.
Exactly. It seemed to be way too early of a commitment but by all accounts it seems he will still be on Marquettes radar but will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
Is it because his visit went bad? Is he going to Kentucky?
Hahaha ThatDude got owned. He has started to annoy me with his bs posts. Ignore might be in the near future.
Perhaps Brent shimmied up the telephone poll and placed a call?
The impression that I got was that Flory was more enamored with Marquette than Buzz. Coupling that with the fact that when Wojo got here he went hard after the previous commits that he wanted,i.e. Cohen and Noskowiak, I'm thinking that Wojo told Flory that he couldn't guarantee that he'd honor the offer and gave Flory the chance to be the one announcing that he was again open to offers.
None of which means that down the road Wojo wouldn't reoffer, if he decided that was the way he wanted to go.
Verbal commitments several years out are worth less than verbal commitments in the current class, which are as valuable as the paper they're written on.
If he ends up being in the top 125 of his class it would be nice to have him, especially as a legacy. If not he would probably struggle to ever get any playing time and transfer anyway. So the next two years are big for the young man, if he emerges I am sure Wojo will be all over him and my guess is Flory would still be very interested.
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
Agreed.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
+1. Respect the process.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
Easy for you to say, you don't have to update the scholarship table.
Wojo didn't have anything to do with this. Flory called MU. He loves MU, but it might not be the best fit considering the trajectory of the recruiting success and program in general with Wojo. Then again, you never know -- that is the point. I'm told the kid is the definition of gym rat, so his success won't be for lack of effort. Picking a team in 8th grade without knowing the personnel, environment, coach, potential roster, etc. while exciting is obviously short-sighted. He may well end up at MU, but for the next two years he will be able to look at a variety of scenarios, options, coaches, locations, etc. and find the ideal situation for his talents. Pigeonholing your decision simply based on your love of the school is simply not a great strategy. I applaud the family for figuring this out before it's too late. He is a nice player with a smooth shot just like his dad. I wish him well.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
+100. Good luck to the kid.
No 15 year old should should be held to such a big decision. He is smart to look at all of his options. I wish him the best and hope we go forward on excellent terms.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 14, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
Wojo didn't have anything to do with this. Flory called MU. He loves MU, but it might not be the best fit considering the trajectory of the recruiting success and program in general with Wojo. Then again, you never know -- that is the point. I'm told the kid is the definition of gym rat, so his success won't be for lack of effort. Picking a team in 8th grade without knowing the personnel, environment, coach, potential roster, etc. while exciting is obviously short-sighted. He may well end up at MU, but for the next two years he will be able to look at a variety of scenarios, options, coaches, locations, etc. and find the ideal situation for his talents. Pigeonholing your decision simply based on your love of the school is simply not a great strategy. I applaud the family for figuring this out before it's too late. He is a nice player with a smooth shot just like his dad. I wish him well.
As always, Freeport, thanks for the info.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
+1
I want Flory to be at MU after he's had his chance to explore other programs and avenues.
I love players who WANT to be at MU, but he was young when he committed, so he didn't offer himself a chance to experience the recruiting process.
After it's all said and done, if he wants to be here and Wojo wants him to be here too, make it a #DoneDeal.
Go easy on the kid. Not just because he's the son of a former player but he made a decision so early in his age.
Enjoy the recruiting process, Young Flory, and I hope you see what school will provide the best opportunity and atmosphere for your growth as a player and person.
Reggie Rankin @ReggieRankin · 4h 4 hours ago
2017 Philip Flory vitals are 6'4.5, 180. CG more of a SG at this stage of his game according to father Mike. One to watch.
Reggie Rankin @ReggieRankin · 4h 4 hours ago
Marquette still very interested in Philip Flory who will run with WI Playground Elite on the travel circuit. @ESPNRNHoops
Reggie Rankin @ReggieRankin · 4h 4 hours ago
2017 CG Philip Flory has reopened his recruiting after committing to Buzz Williams & Marquette before the coaching change. Per father Mike.
Noskowiak reopened his recruiting after Buzz left. Wojo wanted him and got him to recommit and Nick signed his NOI.
I'm not worried about Flory. If he is good enough, Wojo will pursue him and hopefully get him. If he's not good enough, I'm confident Wojo will get somebody better. If he is good enough but decides to go elsewhere, I'm still confident Wojo will find other good guards.
Now that I've given Wojo such a stirring vote of confidence, isn't it time for him to start recruiting grade-school kids that haven't already committed to Buzz? Wojo might want to start looking at 5th-graders or so.
Oddly enough, it was easy to remove him from the scholarship table :)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 14, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
Wojo didn't have anything to do with this. Flory called MU. He loves MU, but it might not be the best fit considering the trajectory of the recruiting success and program in general with Wojo. Then again, you never know -- that is the point. I'm told the kid is the definition of gym rat, so his success won't be for lack of effort. Picking a team in 8th grade without knowing the personnel, environment, coach, potential roster, etc. while exciting is obviously short-sighted. He may well end up at MU, but for the next two years he will be able to look at a variety of scenarios, options, coaches, locations, etc. and find the ideal situation for his talents. Pigeonholing your decision simply based on your love of the school is simply not a great strategy. I applaud the family for figuring this out before it's too late. He is a nice player with a smooth shot just like his dad. I wish him well.
I think your analysis is good. My only addition, which I mentioned in prior threads, is that it is likely that Wojo and Company brought up the concept of doing a PG year at a fancy prep school. That is coach speak for saying that they are willing to honor the commitment made by Buzz, but letting the kid know he has some growing to do. This is something that happens a lot in recruiting. The family made the right decision here. Wish him well and hope his game grows and he realizes his dreams.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
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Perfectly stated.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
He is young. Let him re-open his recruiting. Let us show that we are a little more mature than certain fanbases and refrain from vitriol. Young Mr. Flory, best of luck to you in the recruiting process. If you decide that MU is still the best choice for you, awesome.
All of this. He should get to enjoy the recruitment process, and see the team this year and after before deciding how he might fit in. See how Cohen this year and Noskowiak next year fit into Coach Wojo's system as in-state players. Good for him.
Given the time frame involved, this was more likely than not. Wait, wait, watch, respect the process. There's a light year to go with this kid.
Mark Miller reported that Flory took an unofficial visit to Wisconsin yesterday.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/534189602001526784
Well, that's a different story. Wojo must have cooled on him.
Respect the process. Let the kid be a kid.
Quote from: Texas Western on November 14, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
I think your analysis is good. My only addition, which I mentioned in prior threads, is that it is likely that Wojo and Company brought up the concept of doing a PG year at a fancy prep school. That is coach speak for saying that they are willing to honor the commitment made by Buzz, but letting the kid know he has some growing to do. This is something that happens a lot in recruiting. The family made the right decision here. Wish him well and hope his game grows and he realizes his dreams.
Huh? That makes 0 sense at all. This isn't a high school senior who is coming in next year. This is a high school sophomore. Yes, he has some growing to do, and he has 3 high school basketball seasons to do so. You don't tell a high school sophomore, "Yeah, you're going to need a 5th year in high school."
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 14, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
Wojo didn't have anything to do with this. Flory called MU. He loves MU, but it might not be the best fit considering the trajectory of the recruiting success and program in general with Wojo. Then again, you never know -- that is the point. I'm told the kid is the definition of gym rat, so his success won't be for lack of effort. Picking a team in 8th grade without knowing the personnel, environment, coach, potential roster, etc. while exciting is obviously short-sighted. He may well end up at MU, but for the next two years he will be able to look at a variety of scenarios, options, coaches, locations, etc. and find the ideal situation for his talents. Pigeonholing your decision simply based on your love of the school is simply not a great strategy. I applaud the family for figuring this out before it's too late. He is a nice player with a smooth shot just like his dad. I wish him well.
Thanks for replacing speculation (by me and others) with genuine information. I appreciate all the detail/insight you were able to provide.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 14, 2014, 07:10:17 PM
Oddly enough, it was easy to remove him from the scholarship table :)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
I'll never underestimate your pinky again, sir. Thanks for providing/updating a feature that truly is worth a thousand words.