Having a little fun at ESPN's expense got me wondering. This board has had a fair amount of fun at Duke's expense in the past, as well as some bitching about the supposed deference that Duke receives from referees and their flopping.
Now it's a new world with Coach K's ex-top assistant in charge at Marquette, and - to this point - performing very well.
Based on the above, is ripping on Duke still de rigueur, or will it be considered dirty pool?
Quote from: LittleDillard on November 12, 2014, 06:25:53 PM
Having a little fun at ESPN's expense got me wondering. This board has had a fair amount of fun at Duke's expense in the past, as well as some bitching about the supposed deference that Duke receives from referees and their flopping.
Now it's a new world with Coach K's ex-top assistant in charge at Marquette, and - to this point - performing very well.
Based on the above, is ripping on Duke still de rigueur, or will it be considered dirty pool?
It's still Duke.
Ripping on Duke, while fun and I did it, is/was usually more about jealousy than hating Duke. Small, private school in the shadow of a large state school. Long term success and stability. Insane fan support. And I am sure there is a video out there somewhere of Wojo's greatest flops. But in the end, deep down, IMO it was jealousy.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2014, 06:31:31 PM
Ripping on Duke, while fun and I did it, is/was usually more about jealousy than hating Duke. Small, private school in the shadow of a large state school. Long term success and stability. Insane fan support. And I am sure there is a video out there somewhere of Wojo's greatest flops. But in the end, deep down, IMO it was jealousy.
I don't think that the criticisms were far off the mark, if off the mark at all, but I agree that the reason we cared and paid attention was jealousy. I guess the proof will be if it becomes lees of a thing as the program continues (hopefully) to make big strides under Wojo.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2014, 06:31:31 PM
Ripping on Duke, while fun and I did it, is/was usually more about jealousy than hating Duke. Small, private school in the shadow of a large state school. Long term success and stability. Insane fan support. And I am sure there is a video out there somewhere of Wojo's greatest flops. But in the end, deep down, IMO it was jealousy.
I think it was too. Multiple championships...sustained success...amazing academics. I think some of us are a little envious of what they've accomplished.
However, on the flip side.......
• It's been incredibly annoying to hear Dickie V be Duke's chief cheerleader for 20+ years.
• Also extremely tired of hearing about those oh-so-clever Cameron Crazies. Mostly just a bunch of dweebs from Jersey still performing the same tired routines they did in the 80s.
Dickie V's schtick old a long time ago, but I agree the Duke rips were more envy than anything else. With Wojo here, I'd be more than happy to see our program start to resemble Duke's.
I ripped on Wojo back in the day.
20 odd years later and now he's MU's coach, I must say that my disdain for anything Dookie is waning by the day.
Much like Notre Dame, I don't hate Duke or their players (aside from Laettner), I hate their fans.
Was never a big fan, sort of like the Yankees and Cowboys to me. It all changed this last year. Took my son to Duke/'Cuse at Cameron and cannot recommend it more highly. Fans were great, atmosphere was electric, and southern hospitality on full display. There was zero douchebaggery going on in Krzyzewskiville -- just kids having fun, partaking in a few beverages, but nothing like you might expect. After the game, we met all the players just by waiting by the hoop outside the arena -- Jabari, Rodney Hood, even old legends like Grant Hill -- there were a handful of kids getting autographs. It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life. Jabari's family was so nice to us, we told him we hoped would get drafted by the Bucks. When Wojo got named coach and Jabari came to Milwaukee, it was perfect timing. Wojo, with his Duke pedigree and credibility, plus the return of Travis to MU helped remove the Bert stench. I am totally fine with being a "Duke north" in some ways -- they set the bar high, combining a great reputation and results. Wojo won't be here for life, but we are so far ahead from a credibility perspective than we have been in a while. I'm certainly going to enjoy the ride!
I say, out of respect for Wojo, we just rip on North Carolina more now.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2014, 06:31:31 PM
Ripping on Duke, while fun and I did it, is/was usually more about jealousy than hating Duke. Small, private school in the shadow of a large state school. Long term success and stability. Insane fan support. And I am sure there is a video out there somewhere of Wojo's greatest flops. But in the end, deep down, IMO it was jealousy.
Agree with your comments and it might not be so bad if a little of the Dukie good qualities rub off here while we leave those undesirable characteristics behind.
I think Wojo brings some very good qualities to MU. He also can recruit so now if he can coach the administration has moved this school in a good direction. So far so good.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 12, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
Dickie V's schtick old a long time ago, but I agree the Duke rips were more envy than anything else. With Wojo here, I'd be more than happy to see our program start to resemble Duke's.
Perhaps what Dukie V is to Duke, Matquette V at JsOnline can become for Marquette.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2014, 08:32:20 PM
Perhaps what Dukie V is to Duke, Matquette V at JsOnline can become for Marquette.
I hope not.
I want a reporter, not a cheerleader. We have plenty of cheerleaders here.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2014, 08:32:20 PM
Perhaps what Dukie V is to Duke, Matquette V at JsOnline can become for Marquette.
At first glance, I was like, "Wth?" lol
Interesting article on Duke building stats apps for their fans. Free data!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2014/10/23/duke-educating-fans-with-historic-blue-devil-basketball-data/?sr_source=lift_outbrain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97u3CPEY1Rw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqGD4R-22k
Watched the first few minutes of the Duke/Carolina game. Wojo was Derrick Wilson, before it was cool.
Quote from: Groin_pull on November 12, 2014, 06:45:04 PM
I think it was too. Multiple championships...sustained success...amazing academics. I think some of us are a little envious of what they've accomplished.
However, on the flip side.......
• It's been incredibly annoying to hear Dickie V be Duke's chief cheerleader for 20+ years.
• Also extremely tired of hearing about those oh-so-clever Cameron Crazies. Mostly just a bunch of dweebs from Jersey still performing the same tired routines they did in the 80s.
Agreed. Dookie V slurps Duke to infinity as compared to the Sultan slurp of Buzz.
Ripping on Duke does pale in comparison, though to ripping on No Dick (ND).
And of course, now that we are the Duke of the Midwest/BEast, we must be careful that Duke rips do not spill over into rips on the Duke of the Midwest/BEast!
Quote from: GurneeHitchkr on November 12, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
I say, out of respect for Wojo, we just rip on North Carolina more now.
Yes, ripping on NC is all good--not as good as ND, however. And then we must rip on the NCAA infractions people because they will let NC off the hook for their latest scandals--because after all, they are the Tarheels.
And speaking of Tarheels, how the hell do they get to keep that monicker and we had to get rid of Warriors?
Quote from: willie warrior on November 13, 2014, 09:25:18 AM
Yes, ripping on NC is all good--not as good as ND, however. And then we must rip on the NCAA infractions people because they will let NC off the hook for their latest scandals--because after all, they are the Tarheels.
And speaking of Tarheels, how the hell do they get to keep that monicker and we had to get rid of Warriors?
Tarheel is a reference to soldiers from the civil war. As far as I know, there was never a racial component like the warriors did.
Not to be all PC, but many Dookies said nice things about Marquette when Wojo was hired. That being said, Christian Laettner is a tool for no other reason then his big shot to beat UConn gets all kinds of air play when Jerome Whitehead's gets almost none.
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on November 13, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
Not to be all PC, but many Dookies said nice things about Marquette when Wojo was hired. That being said, Christian Laettner is a tool for no other reason then his big shot to beat UConn gets all kinds of air play when Jerome Whitehead's gets almost none.
I don't mind Duke. Hate seeing them win all the time because I always thought that should be Marquette. I like that Duke and Marquette are similar schools as both are private, similar sized (Duke I think has 16,000?) etc. So that might make Wojo comfortable here.
On the Laettner shot - that was for the championship as I recall. Jerome's was to get us into the championship game.
Quote from: Daniel on November 13, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
I don't mind Duke. Hate seeing them win all the time because I always thought that should be Marquette. I like that Duke and Marquette are similar schools as both are private, similar sized (Duke I think has 16,000?) etc. So that might make Wojo comfortable here.
On the Laettner shot - that was for the championship as I recall. Jerome's was to get us into the championship game.
Actually, Laettner's shot was in an elite 8 game (to advance to the final 4). And to correct Wolverine, it was against Kentucky, not UCONN.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2014, 10:27:55 AM
Actually, Laettner's shot was in an elite 8 game (to advance to the final 4). And to correct Wolverine, it was against Kentucky, not UCONN.
+5
Laettner's shot has gotten the airtime on CBS and its affiliates because it occurred when CBS was covering the Dance. Whitehead's shot was on NBC...so as far as CBS is concerned, it never happened.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 13, 2014, 09:41:56 AM
Tarheel is a reference to soldiers from the civil war. As far as I know, there was never a racial component like the warriors did.
You are likely right. Somewhere in the cobwebs I recall it also had something to do with tarred and feathered. Maybe I saw that in a movie--don't remember.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2014, 10:27:55 AM
Actually, Laettner's shot was in an elite 8 game (to advance to the final 4). And to correct Wolverine, it was against Kentucky, not UCONN.
I stand corrected, it was against Kentucky.
Love Duke- always have.
Never understood the hate. Great program year after year. Lots (not all) of kids that actually seem like nice, well spoken people..
I think all the ref bias stuff is bs, but all depends on where you stand. I hated the Bulls as a kid and thought they (Jordan) got away with murder...
I always liked how hard Duke teams get after it on defense. My college Bball fandom started when I lived in NC and that state had zero pro teams of any sport so watching ACC ball in the 80's was the best sports on TV there at the time. I even have a piece of the floor in Cameron in my office on a plaque my wife gave me 20 years ago. Wake is easily my favorite ACC team and they have a lot in common with Marquette this season.
Quote from: Daniel on November 13, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
I don't mind Duke. Hate seeing them win all the time because I always thought that should be Marquette. I like that Duke and Marquette are similar schools as both are private, similar sized (Duke I think has 16,000?) etc. So that might make Wojo comfortable here.
On the Laettner shot - that was for the championship as I recall. Jerome's was to get us into the championship game.
Laettner hit a very difficult double pump running jumper from about 12 ft to beat UConn at the buzzer in 1990 to advance to the Final Four that year. I hated that guy, but there is no doubt that he hit some huge shots. Of course the Kentucky one is the one that most people remember, but it wasn't any more difficult than the UConn one. What separates it is that the Kentucky game was an all time great game start to finish and not only did Laettner have to hit the shot, but it required a great 80 foot pass from Grant Hill to get him the shot.
Quote from: CTWarrior on November 14, 2014, 12:14:12 PM
Laettner hit a very difficult double pump running jumper from about 12 ft to beat UConn at the buzzer in 1990 to advance to the Final Four that year. I hated that guy, but there is no doubt that he hit some huge shots. Of course the Kentucky one is the one that most people remember, but it wasn't any more difficult than the UConn one. What separates it is that the Kentucky game was an all time great game start to finish and not only did Laettner have to hit the shot, but it required a great 80 foot pass from Grant Hill to get him the shot.
If I remember Laettner hit all Ten of his shots.....no misses!
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/espn-30-for-30-i-hate-christian-laettner