1. Going to press more while Luke is out, need to create offense
2. Emphasizing transition defense
3. Sandy is going to be terrific for us
4. Small margin of error, fans are going to be huge for us
Sounds smart. MU has quickness. Can't make anything easy such as letting the opponents get in the front court. Make them work for every inch of advancing the ball. Less time for opponents to use their size advantage.
I wasn't counting on much from Sandy this year. If he can just be a 6'6 ball of energy that makes good decisions with the ball, that would be huge.
Wojo said his starting line up was determined by who the best players in practice were.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2014, 03:27:35 PM
I wasn't counting on much from Sandy this year. If he can just be a 6'6 ball of energy that makes good decisions with the ball, that would be huge.
Wojo said is starting line up was determined by who the best players in practice were.
I hope every stroke center in the country is staffed and ready to work. Statements like that will cause numerous health problems among fans.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 08, 2014, 03:57:25 PM
I hope every stroke center in the country is staffed and ready to work. Statements like that will cause numerous health problems among fans.
I thought only Buzz decided who starts by how they play in practice? ?-(
At least that is what I was told last year.....
Nice to see them make some 3s in the 2nd half......they will need to make them to compete against good teams this year.
Quote from: MuMark on November 08, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I thought only Buzz decided who starts by how they play in practice? ?-(
At least that is what I was told last year.....
You are right. A segment of Scoopers concluded last year that a coach who decides starters/playing time based on practice performance was a moron, someone throwing games or both. That doesn't bode well for Wojo.
Wojo did seem play much shorter 4 against 5 periods though.
Quote from: MuMark on November 08, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I thought only Buzz decided who starts by how they play in practice? ?-(
At least that is what I was told last year.....
Nice to see them make some 3s in the 2nd half......they will need to make them to compete against good teams this year.
but then when those amazing practice players lay bricks in game after game after game at what point do you say..gee I wonder if I need to try something else?
Somehow I still doubt if Juan and Jake were better than Burton and Mayo in practice last year? Not who starts it's who finishes.
Oh good. I was hoping this thread would go that way because it had been at least 10 minutes since this subject was debated.
Now pardon me while I gouge my eyes out with my official Marquette letter opener.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
but then when those amazing practice players lay bricks in game after game after game at what point do you say..gee I wonder if I need to try something else?
Somehow I still doubt if Juan and Jake were better than Burton and Mayo in practice last year? Not who starts it's who finishes.
Congrats man you hijacked a thread back to last year's team! I know it's not the first time but you've done it so many times I feel like you need a congrats.
Juans averaging 27.0 ppg this year. Quite a step up from last year!
Got the sense from listening to the postgame that Wojo was less than thrilled w/fan turnout. He said a couple times 'fans who were here' and added that we need them this season. Granted, it was only an exhibition, but that's easily the most sparsely attended game I've been to.
Quote from: Boone on November 08, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Got the sense from listening to the postgame that Wojo was less than thrilled w/fan turnout. He said a couple times 'fans who were here' and added that we need them this season. Granted, it was only an exhibition, but that's easily the most sparsely attended game I've been to.
Unless this this team has a few surprises, my guess is attendance will be down this season.
Seeing as it's the first game, wouldn't Wojo have to pick the starters based on who did the best in practice? There's nothing else to go off of at this point.
He didn't say he was going to go by who practices best all season.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 08, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
Seeing as it's the first game, wouldn't Wojo have to pick the starters based on who did the best in practice? There's nothing else to go off of at this point.
He didn't say he was going to go by who practices best all season.
I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this again ... but what the hell ... new coach - new season - old debate!
I coach at the middle-school level and have many friends who are high school and college coaches.
Most coaches base their starting lineups and rotations on a few factors: how they practice, how they perform when the lights go on, lineup combinations, matchups, hot-hand theory, chemistry, momentum, comfort level, etc.
I don't know any coach who bases his starting lineup in every game based solely on that week's practices. A coach might say he does so at a press conference, but coaches say all kinds of things at a press conference. Now, this kind of exhibition is different; as TallTitan says, practice is all Wojo had to go on.
Based on my many decades of experience as coach, as player and mostly as observer, the overriding factor always always is: "Who should I play and when should I play them to give us the best chance to win today's game?"
Quote from: Boone on November 08, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Got the sense from listening to the postgame that Wojo was less than thrilled w/fan turnout. He said a couple times 'fans who were here' and added that we need them this season. Granted, it was only an exhibition, but that's easily the most sparsely attended game I've been to.
They should have let fans in for free for this game.
Quote from: Boone on November 08, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Got the sense from listening to the postgame that Wojo was less than thrilled w/fan turnout. He said a couple times 'fans who were here' and added that we need them this season. Granted, it was only an exhibition, but that's easily the most sparsely attended game I've been to.
I don't get the sense that is Wojo's style.....I think he was being honest...he appreciated the support.......Juan tweeted out thanking all the fans for showing up even if it was an exhibition game......
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/531226408589459456
Quote from: Boone on November 08, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Got the sense from listening to the postgame that Wojo was less than thrilled w/fan turnout. He said a couple times 'fans who were here' and added that we need them this season. Granted, it was only an exhibition, but that's easily the most sparsely attended game I've been to.
I was quite impressed with the student attendence today. I've seen many a conference game that had less.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 08, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
They should have let fans in for free for this game.
Wojo has the expectation of the Camron Crazies. #mubb's sixth man is no Camron Crazies... possible he was underwhelmed?
Quote from: Tommy Brice for Coach on November 08, 2014, 06:04:49 PM
Wojo has the expectation of the Camron Crazies. #mubb's sixth man is no Camron Crazies... possible he was underwhelmed?
Yeah, must be a little awkward hearing about the 6th man and "best student section in the nation"... Not knocking the MU student section, as they have been solid at times, but come on.
Here we go again....
FACT: The students filled their section of the lower bowl today and spilled into the upper. Sure many arrived late or left early.
FACT: Lower bowl alumni attendance was about typical from what I remember of prior exhibitions. Not great; not horrible.
FACT: Dr. Lovell made it. How 'bout you?
FACT: Chick and I drove from Chicago.
Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Here we go again....
FACT: The students filled their section off the lower bowl today and spilled into the upper. Sure many arrived late or left early.
FACT: Lower bowl alumni attendance was about typical from what I remember of prior exhibitions. Not great; not horrible.
FACT: Dr. Lovell made it. How 'bout you?
FACT: Chick and I drove from Chicago.
Glad to hear you and Chick made it. But I have a rule. Make it worth my while to drive from the North Suburbs and I'll go.
I'm a geezer, but I remember when these exhibitions included The Russian Olympic Team (1972 Silver Medalists), Athletes in Action or the Cuban Olympic Team (with the students dressed in Fidel Castro fatigues). All were more attractive than Wisconsin Lutheran.
I think they could have gotten a better game from the high school team from where Chick and I were graduated than they got from Wisconsin Lutheran. Wanna stay local? Call up Marquette High or UWM!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 08, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
Congrats man you hijacked a thread back to last year's team! I know it's not the first time but you've done it so many times I feel like you need a congrats.
Lol - I didn't hijack crap. The same goofballs that defended Buzz to death last year jumped right on board and started it in this thread about Buzz not being only one who based his starting lineup on how guys practiced. And as had been pointed out - Duh...at this point what else is Wojo going to go off? Recruiting rankings? Class year. Of course since we are small right now you have to play Steve and Juan too almost by default. After 15 games of seeing how all guys perform in not just practice, but games, as well as different matchups against different opponents, there are then a lot more variables involved in how you determine starting lineup.
If you want to take issue with the "hijack" take it up with Tower and Lenny.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 08, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
Glad to hear you and Chick made it. But I have a rule. Make it worth my while to drive from the North Suburbs and I'll go.
I'm a geezer, but I remember when these exhibitions included The Russian Olympic Team (1972 Silver Medalists), Athletes in Action or the Cuban Olympic Team (with the students dressed in Fidel Castro fatigues). All were more attractive than Wisconsin Lutheran.
I think they could have gotten a better game from the high school team from where Chick and I were graduated than they got from Wisconsin Lutheran. Wanna stay local? Call up Marquette High or UWM!
We do get the benefit of seeing the kids. Plus it was a good 'scout' opportunity. My take. Sandy Cohen III will contribute meaningful minutes this year and it's correct that Dawson is man no. 9. The best news was that Juan only had a cramp.
If you come from Duke where their arena holds like 12,000 I think and the student section surrounds the playing floor mostly, the BC can look empty with 10,000 or how many showed up. I drove up from Chicago too. It was worth the drive.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
but then when those amazing practice players lay bricks in game after game after game at what point do you say..gee I wonder if I need to try something else?
Somehow I still doubt if Juan and Jake were better than Burton and Mayo in practice last year? Not who starts it's who finishes.
It does not matter if Mayo was better than Jake or Derrick. Mayo was his own worst enemy.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 08, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Unless this this team has a few surprises, my guess is attendance will be down this season.
How much would Wojo pay to watch that chit?
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Lol - I didn't hijack crap. The same goofballs that defended Buzz to death last year jumped right on board and started it in this thread about Buzz not being only one who based his starting lineup on how guys practiced. And as had been pointed out - Duh...at this point what else is Wojo going to go off? Recruiting rankings? Class year. Of course since we are small right now you have to play Steve and Juan too almost by default. After 15 games of seeing how all guys perform in not just practice, but games, as well as different matchups against different opponents, there are then a lot more variables involved in how you determine starting lineup.
If you want to take issue with the "hijack" take it up with Tower and Lenny.
This might be unprecedented but I agree with Ners. If you poke a bear do you really blame the bear when he takes a swype at you?
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 08, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Unless this this team has a few surprises, my guess is attendance will be down this season.
Wait till Wojo sees attendance next year. He won't have to beg people to come.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 08, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Unless this this team has a few surprises, my guess is attendance will be down this season.
I looked up first game attendance figures...whether they were exhibition games or D1 lid lifters. This was the lowest paid attendance since the first year in the BE (and the Amigos' freshman year). The "announced" attendance today was 12,160 (even with a pretty good WLC crowd). I would say the real crowd was half that at best. Last season's opening crowd was 14,269.
Whether kicking off a season with an exhibition or regular season game, the exhibition games have always been included in the season ticket package, so these numbers are comparable. So, besides a few hundred single games purchases, I would say MU's full season ticket count is down 1500-2000+. I am getting an email a day on the Al game that tickets are still available, meaning those tickets are not moving either.
So, why? Last season's results? The new coach? More people buying packs? Alientation of season ticket holders (i.e., can't pick your seats), past administrations, no Elite 8 season before? Older alums giving up their tickets? It isn't the economy. The previous eight year opener attendance averaged 13,404, btw, and has been pretty consistent.
Paraphrasing Wojo is a hijack? Wow.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
I looked up first game attendance figures...whether they were exhibition games or D1 lid lifters. This was the lowest paid attendance since the first year in the BE (and the Amigos' freshman year). The "announced" attendance today was 12,160 (even with a pretty good WLC crowd). I would say the real crowd was half that at best. Last season's opening crowd was 14,269.
Whether kicking off a season with an exhibition or regular season game, the exhibition games have always been included in the season ticket package, so these numbers are comparable. So, besides a few hundred single games purchases, I would say MU's full season ticket count is down 1500-2000+. I am getting an email a day on the Al game that tickets are still available, meaning those tickets are not moving either.
So, why? Last season's results? The new coach? More people buying packs? Alientation of season ticket holders (i.e., can't pick your seats), past administrations, no Elite 8 season before? Older alums giving up their tickets? It isn't the economy. The previous eight year opener attendance averaged 13,404, btw, and has been pretty consistent.
Combination of all the above that you list. If we get off a to a decent start the attendance will take a turn up. When our young talent jells, they will be very fun to watch.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
Paraphrasing Wojo is a hijack? Wow.
If this was about my comment, it wasn't directed at you. Your comment was utterly neutral. A few of the follow ups were very targeted at Ners. Which is fine....but when others started accusing Ners of hijacking the thread, it wasn't fair or accurate. Or course, Ners didn't have to take the bait, but he didn't start it.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
If you want to take issue with the "hijack" take it up with Tower and Lenny.
No, TAMU, it is right here. (sigh) Somehow, in a thread about Wojo post game, paraphrasing something Wojo said post game is a hijack.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Lol - I didn't hijack crap. The same goofballs that defended Buzz to death last year jumped right on board and started it in this thread about Buzz not being only one who based his starting lineup on how guys practiced. And as had been pointed out - Duh...at this point what else is Wojo going to go off? Recruiting rankings? Class year. Of course since we are small right now you have to play Steve and Juan too almost by default. After 15 games of seeing how all guys perform in not just practice, but games, as well as different matchups against different opponents, there are then a lot more variables involved in how you determine starting lineup.
If you want to take issue with the "hijack" take it up with Tower and Lenny.
You don't have to respond you know.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 09, 2014, 06:55:13 AM
You don't have to respond you know.
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Quote from: NersEllenson on November 08, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Lol - I didn't hijack crap. The same goofballs that defended Buzz to death last year jumped right on board and started it in this thread about Buzz not being only one who based his starting lineup on how guys practiced. And as had been pointed out - Duh...at this point what else is Wojo going to go off? Recruiting rankings? Class year. Of course since we are small right now you have to play Steve and Juan too almost by default. After 15 games of seeing how all guys perform in not just practice, but games, as well as different matchups against different opponents, there are then a lot more variables involved in how you determine starting lineup.
If you want to take issue with the "hijack" take it up with Tower and Lenny.
Goofballs that defended Buzz? C'mon Ners, you can do better. Those "goofballs" imagine that they are highly objective analysts of the program. They know that they are not "goofballs". They recognize themselves for what they are. Buzz slurpers. And they know who they are.
Quote from: Daniel on November 08, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
If you come from Duke where their arena holds like 12,000 I think and the student section surrounds the playing floor mostly, the BC can look empty with 10,000 or how many showed up. I drove up from Chicago too. It was worth the drive.
Cameron holds roughly 9,300 people.
On the heartburn over the starting lineup. If you look at the box score everyone but Dawson played about 22 minutes, so who the starters were isn't abundantly important. Will every game be like that minutes wise? Obviously not. Let's see how things are different against UTM on Friday.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
I looked up first game attendance figures...whether they were exhibition games or D1 lid lifters. This was the lowest paid attendance since the first year in the BE (and the Amigos' freshman year). The "announced" attendance today was 12,160 (even with a pretty good WLC crowd). I would say the real crowd was half that at best. Last season's opening crowd was 14,269.
Whether kicking off a season with an exhibition or regular season game, the exhibition games have always been included in the season ticket package, so these numbers are comparable. So, besides a few hundred single games purchases, I would say MU's full season ticket count is down 1500-2000+. I am getting an email a day on the Al game that tickets are still available, meaning those tickets are not moving either.
So, why? Last season's results? The new coach? More people buying packs? Alientation of season ticket holders (i.e., can't pick your seats), past administrations, no Elite 8 season before? Older alums giving up their tickets? It isn't the economy. The previous eight year opener attendance averaged 13,404, btw, and has been pretty consistent.
Agree w/TexWestern--all of the above. Plus, I bought Buzz's schtick, and my fragile heart has to be protected, lest it be broke again.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
So, why? Last season's results? The new coach? More people buying packs? Alientation of season ticket holders (i.e., can't pick your seats), past administrations, no Elite 8 season before? Older alums giving up their tickets? It isn't the economy. The previous eight year opener attendance averaged 13,404, btw, and has been pretty consistent.
Another reason having zero 7pm game. All but one during the week starts at 8pm.
Student season numbers are around 3,400 in past years. Who's to say it at 2,400 this year. So, there is 1,000 right there.