Poll
Question:
What Kind of Production Can Wojo Coax Out of Juan
Option 1: 13 points 5 boards 4 assist 2 steal
votes: 3
Option 2: 10 points 4 boards 3 assist 1.5 steals
votes: 23
Option 3: 7 points 3 boards 2 assist 1.0 steals
votes: 73
Option 4: 4 points 2 boards 1 assist 0.5 steals
votes: 50
One of the pivotal characters on our team this year will be Juan. Is it possible for Wojo to coax a big senior year out of him? What kind of production will he deliver?
None of the above. Less points, more boards. Thinking like 7 points, 5.5 boards, 2 assists, 1.5 steals. Keep in mind that Juan will have to play the 4 and 5 for most of the season. We'll need his hustle on the boards.
I thought he played well at Madness.
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on October 29, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
I thought he played well at Madness.
I would not draw any conclusions from anyone's play at madness.
His stats better increase, because his playing time will increase.
Quote from: The Adventures of HE-Man and the Kangaroo Kid on October 29, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
None of the above. Less points, more boards. Thinking like 7 points, 5.5 boards, 2 assists, 1.5 steals. Keep in mind that Juan will have to play the 4 and 5 for most of the season. We'll need his hustle on the boards.
This. I don't care if he scores but given our lack of size we need him to rebound.
Quote from: The Adventures of HE-Man and the Kangaroo Kid on October 29, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
None of the above. Less points, more boards. Thinking like 7 points, 5.5 boards, 2 assists, 1.5 steals. Keep in mind that Juan will have to play the 4 and 5 for most of the season. We'll need his hustle on the boards.
If Juan can deliver that kind of production we will be a very strong team.
His career averages:
2.3 points
2.5 rebounds
0.7 assists
0.6 steals
So, really, 5/5/1/1 would be a "big" year for him.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on October 30, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
His career averages:
2.3 points
2.5 rebounds
0.7 assists
0.6 steals
So, really, 5/5/1/1 would be a "big" year for him.
I'm really expecting closer to his career averages out of him. Probably less.
Quote from: Bricky on October 30, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
I'm really expecting closer to his career averages out of him. Probably less.
He'll be getting solid PT in the NC portion of schedule. I suspect his averages will go up some.
Quote from: Bricky on October 30, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
I'm really expecting closer to his career averages out of him. Probably less.
Even though he's likely to get big minutes most of the season, while he's averaged about 10 mpg for his career? Given that his minutes will likely at least double, it'd be pretty abysmal for Juan to only get his career averages.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
Even though he's likely to get big minutes most of the season, while he's averaged about 10 mpg for his career? Given that his minutes will likely at least double, it'd be pretty abysmal for Juan to only get his career averages.
+1
Given the lack of size on the roster, I don't see a way that Juan doesn't get 20+ minutes per game.
Juan actually does alot of things really well, his biggest issue is he is a very poor and erratic shooter. For that reason he was often hesitant to shoot. With last years team of non scorers it made everything even mote difficult. He could be a really nice complimentary player with 3-4 scorers. Not sure we will have that. Hopefully his shooting has gotten better, if do he can be a real nice player.
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on October 29, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
I thought he played well at Madness.
He played well at madness last year also, so if the past 3 years are what we are accounting then it will be much of the same..
Against Grambling, IUPUI, George Washington and Ball State <<---- All teams that hardly mattered....
Then fell off the side of the earth...... Scoring a whopping 34 total points in the last 21 games....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
Even though he's likely to get big minutes most of the season, while he's averaged about 10 mpg for his career? Given that his minutes will likely at least double, it'd be pretty abysmal for Juan to only get his career averages.
We'll see. When Luke gets eligible, I wonder how much his minutes will actually increase with Taylor, Deonte, JJJ and perhaps even Cohen.
Last year he was 13 mpg...pretty much same as a sophomore. Will he be getting 20+ come conference time?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 31, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
We'll see. When Luke gets eligible, I wonder how much his minutes will actually increase with Taylor, Deonte, JJJ and perhaps even Cohen.
Last year he was 13 mpg...pretty much same as a sophomore. Will he be getting 20+ come conference time?
He's gotta be playing damn near world beater basketball to get 20+ MPG in December with Luke Fish, Deonte and StJr all lobbying for minutes at the 3-5 position....
The bigger question is Derrick gonna be playing 30+ MPG if thats the case we can just pack this season up and wait till next year...
Aside from being Wojo's mentor, Coach K is one of the best basketball coaches ever.
Nevertheless, he couldn't "coax" a great senior season out of Tyler Thornton last year.
Even the best coaches can't make a player something he isn't. I'd be thrilled with a Lockett Lite kind of season out of Juan, but I don't see Wojo or anybody else coaxing it out of him. I hope I'm wrong!
Quote from: River rat on October 30, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Juan actually does alot of things really well, his biggest issue is he is a very poor and erratic shooter. For that reason he was often hesitant to shoot. With last years team of non scorers it made everything even mote difficult. He could be a really nice complimentary player with 3-4 scorers. Not sure we will have that. Hopefully his shooting has gotten better, if do he can be a real nice player.
I agree. I'd be excited if he had senior season like Joe Fulce...a reliable hustle player that, despite his limitations, is someone that is crucial to the team's success.
Quote from: River rat on October 30, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Juan actually does alot of things really well, his biggest issue is he is a very poor and erratic shooter. For that reason he was often hesitant to shoot. With last years team of non scorers it made everything even mote difficult. He could be a really nice complimentary player with 3-4 scorers. Not sure we will have that. Hopefully his shooting has gotten better, if do he can be a real nice player.
Juan missed a couple 3's and never shot the ball with confidence again... I doubt anyone on the team besides the starting pg turned down more open looks than Juan last year....
I agree that Juan does a lot of things well, his major problem is that he has never been able to finish around the basket with any kind of traffic. That's probably not going to change but he can still be valuable in a Joe Fulce type way as was already mentioned.
You can't really glean the level of Juan's improvement from Madness performance or observation of practice. The only way to tell how good Juan will be this season, is to do what I did, and that is evaluate each of his 1,974 tweets made since the end of last season.
Based on a 19.4% increase in a metric I call Leadership Verbiage, which tracks instances of words like "hustle" and "work" and "bangin" and "lolz" and "trippin", we can expect a stat line of 6.8ppg/6.3rpg/1.9apg/2.1spg. Reflecting the senior's growing confidence, his LV increase also suggests he will lead this year's team in high fives given.
(/end teal, BTW. I'm not a smalker.)
Quote from: barfolomew on October 31, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
You can't really glean the level of Juan's improvement from Madness performance or observation of practice. The only way to tell how good Juan will be this season, is to do what I did, and that is evaluate each of his 1,974 tweets made since the end of last season.
Based on a 19.4% increase in a metric I call Leadership Verbiage, which tracks instances of words like "hustle" and "work" and "bangin" and "lolz" and "trippin", we can expect a stat line of 6.8ppg/6.3rpg/1.9apg/2.1spg. Reflecting the senior's growing confidence, his LV increase also suggests he will lead this year's team in high fives given.
(/end teal, BTW. I'm not a smalker.)
Twitta Tracka?
No, because he's bad at basketball
His forced minutes will allow
Him to put up
Like
5-6 ppg
in 25+ min. Juan should be the last scoring option on the
Floor.
Quote from: MU82 on October 31, 2014, 08:01:24 AM
Aside from being Wojo's mentor, Coach K is one of the best basketball coaches ever.
Nevertheless, he couldn't "coax" a great senior season out of Tyler Thornton last year.
Even the best coaches can't make a player something he isn't. I'd be thrilled with a Lockett Lite kind of season out of Juan, but I don't see Wojo or anybody else coaxing it out of him. I hope I'm wrong!
Tyler was made captain his senior yr. Maybe if Juan is selected it may give him an extra focus on applying his talents to the Max. Here's Hoping
Quote from: Chip Chipman on October 31, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
I agree that Juan does a lot of things well, his major problem is that he has never been able to finish around the basket with any kind of traffic. That's probably not going to change but he can still be valuable in a Joe Fulce type way as was already mentioned.
This is true.
Juan's other problem is he doesn't really get "pace." He is all-out, balls-to-the-wall all the time. So he often plays too fast, too out of control. Nobody hustles more than Juan, but it often is fruitless hustle because he's so out of control, out of position and out of sorts that his hustle doesn't yield positive results for the team.
There are times to be manic on the court and times to dial it back. That actually might be something Wojo and staff can help him with. We'll see.
I will be the contrarian and say that Jaun will average close to 10 points a game. I love his hustle and athleticism, and if he earns Wojo's confidence he won't be afraid to miss a shot, hence will be more likely to make one.
Quote from: MU82 on October 31, 2014, 04:15:22 PM
This is true.
Juan's other problem is he doesn't really get "pace." He is all-out, balls-to-the-wall all the time. So he often plays too fast, too out of control. Nobody hustles more than Juan, but it often is fruitless hustle because he's so out of control, out of position and out of sorts that his hustle doesn't yield positive results for the team.
There are times to be manic on the court and times to dial it back. That actually might be something Wojo and staff can help him with. We'll see.
This is a very good insight. Hopefully the coaches can focus him correctly.
Quote from: barfolomew on October 31, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
You can't really glean the level of Juan's improvement from Madness performance or observation of practice. The only way to tell how good Juan will be this season, is to do what I did, and that is evaluate each of his 1,974 tweets made since the end of last season.
Based on a 19.4% increase in a metric I call Leadership Verbiage, which tracks instances of words like "hustle" and "work" and "bangin" and "lolz" and "trippin", we can expect a stat line of 6.8ppg/6.3rpg/1.9apg/2.1spg. Reflecting the senior's growing confidence, his LV increase also suggests he will lead this year's team in high fives given.
(/end teal, BTW. I'm not a smalker.)
This was awesome