He can play. Very confident and in control out there. Passes and handles well. Shot looks good too, just doesn't look like a lot of range yet. He's going to make some noise in his MU career, starting this year.
Looks like a keeper.
good quickness and dribbles.
I know it's an extremely small sample, but I'd take him over both Duane Wilson & JJJ right now.
Tonight, at least, he was better than JJJ.
Love his confidence.
Wally isn't afraid to get involved either....
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2014, 09:23:22 PM
Tonight, at least, he was better than JJJ.
Wasn't even close. I said it all offseason and feel no different after tonight, I don't see what all the fuss is with JJJ.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
Wasn't even close. I said it all offseason and feel no different after tonight, I don't see what all the fuss is with JJJ.
probally his recruting ranking at 27th
Quote from: Johnny B on October 10, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
probally his recruting ranking at 27th
Yeah, and that was ridiculously overrated.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
Yeah, and that was ridiculously overrated.
Man, one scrimmage and he's overrated ::) get a grip.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on October 10, 2014, 09:30:21 PM
Man, one scrimmage and he's overrated ::) get a grip.
Please, he's got a full season under his belt.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
Please, he's got a full season under his belt.
Yeah, with minimal playing time. Remember this was a scrimmage. They do this in practice all the time...I'm willing to bet JJJ is better than Cohen more often than not.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on October 10, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
Yeah, with minimal playing time. Remember this was a scrimmage. They do this in practice all the time...I'm willing to bet JJJ is better than Cohen more often than not.
Right now the guy is living off his reputation and ranking coming in. He has shown almost nothing at MU so far.
Quote from: Johnny B on October 10, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
probally his recruting ranking at 27th
Wait, so a guy who is 27th might not be as good as a guy that was 45th? What about in comparison to a guy ranked 27th in a different year. They're all the same....27 is lower than 30 you know. :D
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
Please, he's got a full season under his belt.
Maybe he's a late bloomer, or maybe he's a miss....who knows. With the whack job at the helm last year, we won't know for a bit. Let's see how he does under a normal human being for a season.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 10, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
Wait, so a guy who is 27th might not be as good as a guy that was 45th? What about in comparison to a guy ranked 27th in a different year. They're all the same....27 is lower than 30 you know. :D
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Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Right now the guy is living off his reputation and ranking coming in. He has shown almost nothing at MU so far.
I beg to differ, but to each their own.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 10, 2014, 09:46:29 PM
Maybe he's a late bloomer, or maybe he's a miss....who knows. With the whack job at the helm last year, we won't know for a bit. Let's see how he does under a normal human being for a season.
I haven't given up, and I hope I'm wrong. Lord knows with only 10 guys suiting up this year they need everyone contributing. I think it's a toss up right now who you would less rather see jacking up a three, JJJ or Derrick. And his shot is so darn ugly.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 09:50:17 PM
I haven't given up, and I hope I'm wrong. Lord knows with only 10 guys suiting up this year they need everyone contributing. I think it's a toss up right now who you would less rather see jacking up a three, JJJ or Derrick. And his shot is so darn ugly.
JaJuan was 9-31 last year and Derrick was 1-14...it was a scrimmage, step off the ledge.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on October 10, 2014, 10:00:43 PM
JaJuan was 9-31 last year and Derrick was 1-14...it was a scrimmage, step off the ledge.
Again, he's got an entire season no matter how much so many here want to make Buzz the scapegoat of everyone that underperformed last year. OK I exxagerated comparing him to Derrick. His shot is uglier, it's the ugliest on the team by far.
Are we really making career judgments about a player based on a scrimmage? Really?
Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2014, 10:05:39 PM
Are we really making career judgments about a player based on a scrimmage? Really?
Nobody is
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
Again, he's got an entire season no matter how much so many here want to make Buzz the scapegoat of everyone that underperformed last year. OK I exxagerated comparing him to Derrick. His shot is uglier, it's the ugliest on the team by far.
Are u drunk?? Who cares what his shot looks like. He's proven he can make them and has. Wait until the games start before you start writing him off. Maybe he was excited, being in front of a crowd for the first time this season, who knows.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on October 10, 2014, 10:08:45 PM
Are u drunk?? Who cares what his shot looks like. He's proven he can make them and has. Wait until the games start before you start writing him off. Maybe he was excited, being in front of a crowd for the first time this season, who knows.
I said already I haven't given up on him. I sure wish he would give us reason for optimism, unless you get excited about last season's 29% three pt pct.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
I said already I haven't given up on him. I sure wish he would give us reason for optimism, unless you get excited about last season's 29% three pt pct.
Your posts in this thread would suggest otherwise. He shot 29% as a freshman! I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he will improve! maybe you should too ;)
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 10, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
I said already I haven't given up on him. I sure wish he would give us reason for optimism, unless you get excited about last season's 29% three pt pct.
He shot 29% in limited minutes, and every time he played he was looking over his shoulder because he knew Buzz was gonna hook him after one misstep.
Let's have some fun ...
Whose freshman stats do you think these are:
34 games -- .428 FG pct -- .208 from 3P -- .667 FT -- 10 assists -- 35 turnovers.
Answer:
Lazar Hayward. What a bust he turned out to be. We should have known it all along based on those stats!
If we're still talking about JJJ having lousy numbers a year from now, you're on to something. It's WAY too early to judge the kid. Sample size is ridiculously small.
Diener said JJ has looked very impressive over the past two months. The team had a full practice today...I think we saw some tired legs out there tonight.
McNeal shot between 28% & 30% his first three seasons. 40% his senior year. Wes shot 28% his sophomore season and 36% his senior season and now 40% in the NBA. I think he'll be good. He should have played last year but buzz was too stubborn, now have to deal with growing pains this year. He didn't even see the floor in 11 games! Ridiculous considering the bums in front of him.
JJJ is a streak scorer. Last year he basically did not score in most games, but when he did he went for double figures. Based only on this scrimage Juan Anderson and Cohen should play ahead of JJJ. Based on this scrimage Wally would start, if he was eligible. Wojo will have to do an incredible coaching job with this team to not finish last in the Big East.
Quote from: bilsu on October 10, 2014, 10:42:54 PM
Based only on this scrimage Juan Anderson and Cohen should play ahead of JJJ. Based on this scrimage Wally would start, if he was eligible. Wojo will have to do an incredible coaching job with this team to not finish last in the Big East.
You raise a very valid point. History should teach us that these scrimmages are indicative of little. For example, did anyone on this board see Jimmy F Butler as a future NBA player after watching his initial scrimmage?
That said, we do have some really good athletes on the team. I thought Luke moved very well for a big man.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on October 10, 2014, 09:30:21 PM
Man, one scrimmage and he's overrated ::) get a grip.
+1000
JJJ is our 2nd best player, behind Burton
Quote from: ThatDude on October 10, 2014, 11:15:40 PM
+1000
JJJ is our 2nd best player, behind Burton
Time to get a new, very reliable source
In warm ups before scrimmage, JJJ hit 5 threes in a row. He needs to calm down during the game. It will come.
Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
He shot 29% in limited minutes, and every time he played he was looking over his shoulder because he knew Buzz was gonna hook him after one misstep.
Let's have some fun ...
Whose freshman stats do you think these are:
34 games -- .428 FG pct -- .208 from 3P -- .667 FT -- 10 assists -- 35 turnovers.
Answer:
Lazar Hayward. What a bust he turned out to be. We should have known it all along based on those stats!
If we're still talking about JJJ having lousy numbers a year from now, you're on to something. It's WAY too early to judge the kid. Sample size is ridiculously small.
Well said, the guy i will never forget was chris crawford as a freshman, horrible as a freshman traveled every other time got it, bricks, threw it away, etc. 6 years later hes scorng double figures for the atlanta hawks
Johnson is very good.
Cohen is young and not as strong as we need to him to be. Can be an energy guy / all around helper for now.
Johnson can* be a key contributor this year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 11, 2014, 12:10:21 AM
Johnson is very good.
Cohen is young and not as strong as we need to him to be. Can be an energy guy / all around helper for now.
Johnson can* be a key contributor this year.
If he's "very good" as you say, why do you put an asterisk next to can?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 11, 2014, 12:20:11 AM
If he's "very good" as you say, why do you put an asterisk next to can?
Why are you so insistent on trying to make projections off a single performance? I trust someone who knows how JaJuan's been playing in the same types of scenarios in practice.
Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on October 11, 2014, 01:25:14 AM
Why are you so insistent on trying to make projections off a single performance?
Try reading what I've written.
Back to Cohen. I watched him in one pro am game and at last night. Right now Juan is better, but Cohen is definately better than what Juan was when Juan was a freshmen.
Quote from: bilsu on October 11, 2014, 08:07:06 AM
Back to Cohen. I watched him in one pro am game and at last night. Right now Juan is better, but Cohen is definately better than what Juan was when Juan was a freshmen.
Can he knock down shots? Did he in the pro am? His game looks really solid otherwise. His ball handling and passing really impressed me, very smooth and fluid looking, especially for a freshman starting the year.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 11, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Can he knock down shots? Did he in the pro am? His game looks really solid otherwise. His ball handling and passing really impressed me, very smooth and fluid looking, especially for a freshman starting the year.
He showed up late for the game I watched and did not get into the game until early in the secound quarter. He missed his first two shots and then finished the quarter with either 16 or 18 points. Several of them were threes.