Can barely contain myself for how exciting this morning has been. The 2015 class is going to be something special. The crazy part is the class still has an open scholarship to use given the one vacated by Gabe Levin. The next big question (now that we have the Ellenson question finally answered!!!!) is who will be the next recruit?
A lot of people talked about Davon Dillard as an option (and the race against Purdue), but BD and others have alluded to dominoes falling after the HE commitment. Who is next to join "The Family?"
Diamond Stone????
Imagine if he decided to come here too?
This may be posted somewhere else, but are there any other 2015 prospects that are supposed to be in attendance tomorrow at Midnight Madness? If so, we may have our answer.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 09, 2014, 12:54:11 PM
Diamond Stone????
Imagine if he decided to come here too?
I can just imagine the badger board "sure bo offered him and desperately recruited him but we weren't realllllyyyy interested."
Quote from: Marquette_g on October 09, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
This may be posted somewhere else, but are there any other 2015 prospects that are supposed to be in attendance tomorrow at Midnight Madness? If so, we may have our answer.
I was wondering this as well. I haven't heard much about a list of recruits headed to MM as we only really had one scholly to give, and the guy we wanted to give it to was going to homecoming dance (or just committing early). Should be interesting to see what the guest list looks like for tomorrow.
It's doubtful Stone would show to MM after cutting is out of his list.
The one thing to look for regarding Diamond is that he has set officials to OK State and Maryland the next couple weeks. Nothing to Duke, UW or UConn.
Might he wait until spring? Does that open a window for Wojo?
Big Daddy hinted that its another ESPN 100 kid. There are 31 of those left. Of those 31 only 10 have yet to trim their lists:
#2 Jaylen Brown
#3 Malik Newman
#7 Chieck Diallo
#8 Caleb Swanigan
#16 Thomas Bryant
#37 Ted Kapita
#75 Josh Sharma
#87 Melvin Frazier
#93 Shawntrez Davis
#94 Davon Dillard
Dillard used to play on the same AAU team as Steve. Newman and Swanigan played on USA Basketball with Henry. Wojo has been connected with Brown, Sharma, and Dillard.
Only connections I can find. Of course, just because we've been trimmed off a list, doesn't mean we can't be added later.
In light of today's events, check out the dudes at Madness. The answer may very well lie within, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 09, 2014, 01:37:05 PM
In light of today's events, check out the dudes at Madness. The answer may very well lie within, hey?
This is gonna be an agonizing 24 hours. Who is on "boot watch?" Can they double that with "recruit watch?"
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 09, 2014, 01:39:57 PM
This is gonna be an agonizing 24 hours. Who is on "boot watch?" Can they double that with "recruit watch?"
No it isn't. The big fish has been landed. The '15 class is already awesome. From a recruiting standpoint, MU is in a position of strength. Even if Wojo does not land another '15 recruit, the 15-16 team is going to be loaded. Hell, if Wojo decides to bank the schollie for '16, it would be difficult to argue at this point.
not to mention the 200 transfers that will be available come spring. we will only have 1 senior on the roster next year.
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2014, 01:51:05 PM
No it isn't. The big fish has been landed. The '15 class is already awesome. From a recruiting standpoint, MU is in a position of strength. Even if Wojo does not land another '15 recruit, the 15-16 team is going to be loaded. Hell, if Wojo decides to bank the schollie for '16, it would be difficult to argue at this point.
Honestly, I was wondering if he would just bank it. Hauser + another recruit might be better in 2016 than one now. That always depends on who is out there.
Agree.
Bank it for 2016, unless an excellent transfer opportunity presents itself. It leaves you with lots of flexibility to react quickly to an opportunity that might arise.
That said, if Diamond decides he is interested in MU again, you obviously make an effort.
Quote from: Bleutellenson on October 09, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
Agree.
Bank it for 2016, unless an excellent transfer opportunity presents itself. It leaves you with lots of flexibility to react quickly to an opportunity that might arise.
That said, if Diamond decides he is interested in MU again, you obviously make an effort.
It looks pretty obvious that Wojo is going to try to use it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
It looks pretty obvious that Wojo is going to try to use it.
Well then I really hope it's one of the guys that TAMU listed!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
It looks pretty obvious that Wojo is going to try to use it.
Here's why I'm ok with that. If you can get a top 100 commit it's better then hoping to try and get 2 for 2016. As they say. One in the hand is better than two in the bush, and if it just so happens to be Jaylen Brown (which in reality I highly, highly doubt) then there really is such a thing as WojoMojo.
Quote from: Bleutellenson on October 09, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
Agree.
Bank it for 2016, unless an excellent transfer opportunity presents itself. It leaves you with lots of flexibility to react quickly to an opportunity that might arise.
That said, if Diamond decides he is interested in MU again, you obviously make an effort.
I don't think coaches think this way anymore or maybe ever. There is so much influx with players and recruits that you fill all your scholarships now and let the rest shake out later.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
It looks pretty obvious that Wojo is going to try to use it.
Is it just me, or does Sultan know something he's not sharing?
Quote from: copious1218 on October 09, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Is it just me, or does Sultan know something he's not sharing?
No I don't. It's Big Daddy's post. If this announcement was done with timing in mind (just before Madness), other dominoes are falling, still looking at Dillard (and others)...
If Wojo was banking this for 2016, the timing wouldn't have worked out like this.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 02:38:45 PM
No I don't. It's Big Daddy's post. If this announcement was done with timing in mind (just before Madness), other dominoes are falling, still looking at Dillard (and others)...
If Wojo was banking this for 2016, the timing wouldn't have worked out like this.
Gotcha. I took this quote (from the Ellenson thread):
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 11:20:40 AM
Don't be too sure that Dillard is the guy Wojo is looking at. There are others.
and the one in this thread as an indication you knew who Wojo was after.
I think WOJO should go hard after Stone and Sharma nad completely mind fook Vadger nation. I think it could seriously cause some of them to go insane of they committed to MU.
Quote from: copious1218 on October 09, 2014, 02:44:10 PM
Gotcha. I took this quote (from the Ellenson thread):
and the one in this thread as an indication you knew who Wojo was after.
Well I saw that someone changed their name to put "Dillard" in it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 02:38:45 PM
No I don't. It's Big Daddy's post. If this announcement was done with timing in mind (just before Madness), other dominoes are falling, still looking at Dillard (and others)...
If Wojo was banking this for 2016, the timing wouldn't have worked out like this.
He did capitalize Family. And mentioned dominoes (or...stones).
Wojo and the Family Stone?
In all seriousness, how big of a priority would Stone be at this point? With Fischer, Heldt and HE, will we need another big (yes, I know and accept that HE does not play like a typical big)? Might Wojo have other desires for that open spot? Is Stone such a 'sure thing' that you go for him regardless of the make up of the rest of the roster? I think I recall decent points on both sides of that question.
We have in the next class the following:
a 5 a4 a2 and a1, what are we missing? Stone is going to UCONN and not UW and not MU.
Quote from: Big Daddy Ellenson on October 09, 2014, 04:04:19 PM
We have in the next class the following:
a 5 a4 a2 and a1, what are we missing? Stone is going to UCONN and not UW and not MU.
I know I know! A switchable!
Only guy I can think of who is a wing would be Dillard. Jaylen Brown too I guess but I refuse to believe that he's considering MU
Brown is a 3, Dillard is a 3
Melvin Frazier is too (according to ESPN research)
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on October 09, 2014, 04:15:43 PM
Only guy I can think of who is a wing would be Dillard. Jaylen Brown too I guess but I refuse to believe that he's considering MU
Scary part is, with Brown waiting until April that might be one of the pieces. I don't see it happening, but he's one of the few 3's we are in. Especially with Dillard such a Purdue lean.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 09, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
Scary part is, with Brown waiting until April that might be one of the pieces. I don't see it happening, but he's one of the few 3's we are in. Especially with Dillard such a Purdue lean.
I refuse to get my hopes up...
Quote from: ChitownEllenson on October 09, 2014, 04:37:04 PM
I refuse to get my hopes up...
Whatever you say, Chitown
brown
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 09, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
Scary part is, with Brown waiting until April that might be one of the pieces. I don't see it happening, but he's one of the few 3's we are in. Especially with Dillard such a Purdue lean.
If Brown happened, I think I would pass out.
Quote from: ttheisen on October 09, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
If Brown happened, I think I would pass out.
I've almost passed out from brown happening too. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Quote from: buckchuckler on October 09, 2014, 05:08:34 PM
I've almost passed out from brown happening too. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Eat more fiber
He did mention a ST connection though, and I can't think of one with Brown.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on October 09, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
He did mention a ST connection though, and I can't think of one with Brown.
Dillard is the STJ-connected recruit.
Dillard is no doubt very talented and if Wojo thinks he is worth it than who am I to question it.
Quote from: copious1218 on October 09, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Is it just me, or does Sultan know something he's not sharing?
You have it backwards: Sultan shares things that he does not know about.
What can Brown do for MU.
Quote from: CornMeehl on October 09, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
Dillard is no doubt very talented and if Wojo thinks he is worth it than who am I to question it.
My guess is it is him given the stj connection. This would be a big get too!
Is there any history with Henry and Jaylen??
Quote from: Loose Ellenson Cannon on October 09, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
Is there any history with Henry and Jaylen??
Not really. And really you need to stop thinking that Brown is coming to MU.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
Not really. And really you need to stop thinking that Brown is coming to MU.
At this point I'm playing with house money!! No Worrys
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
Not really. And really you need to stop thinking that Brown is coming to MU.
Well thanks for going and pissing in everyones cherrios.
Quote from: mug644 on October 09, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
In all seriousness, how big of a priority would Stone be at this point? With Fischer, Heldt and HE, will we need another big (yes, I know and accept that HE does not play like a typical big)? Might Wojo have other desires for that open spot? Is Stone such a 'sure thing' that you go for him regardless of the make up of the rest of the roster? I think I recall decent points on both sides of that question.
Well of course we could use him , but even if we couldnt u do it to totally mind fook wiskconsin
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 09, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
Scary part is, with Brown waiting until April that might be one of the pieces. I don't see it happening, but he's one of the few 3's we are in. Especially with Dillard such a Purdue lean.
Really ? Purdueis a 14th place team in the big 10
Please
Quote from: River rat on October 09, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
Really ? Purdue is a 14th place team in the big 10
Please
But they are the local team and have been good in recent history.
Besides, the B1G recruited Rutgers to be their new 14th team ;D
Quote from: River rat on October 09, 2014, 10:40:41 PM
Well of course we could use him , but even if we couldnt u do it to totally mind fook wiskconsin
Sigh
Time to even out the classes a little, I would hold the scholarship to spring or the following year. That way they can have a class of 2 in 2016. Plus having a real good team in 2015 it
might attract another top recruit. Wojo can be a little picky, take your time, no rush, we will have 11 solid players in two years even if he does not sign anybody. Plus what is everybody
going to talk about then if he signs 2016 kids really early?
Quote from: mug644 on October 09, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
In all seriousness, how big of a priority would Stone be at this point? With Fischer, Heldt and HE, will we need another big (yes, I know and accept that HE does not play like a typical big)? Might Wojo have other desires for that open spot? Is Stone such a 'sure thing' that you go for him regardless of the make up of the rest of the roster? I think I recall decent points on both sides of that question.
Good lord yes. If Stone wanted to commit here you take him in a heartbeat. A consensus top 10 player? You can figure out how to use him and spread out the minutes later on.
Furthermore if he is truly a one-and-done, you will then have another scholarship available in 2016.
1st post over here.
Sam Hauser is visiting this weekend. Could we be getting a 3 man a year later? Is a 3 a need with Burton, JJJ, Wally...on the roster? Perhaps if we can land Hauser, a rugged forward in the STJ mold is the greater need?
Quote from: River rat on October 09, 2014, 10:40:41 PM
Well of course we could use him , but even if we couldnt u do it to totally mind fook wiskconsin
While I agree with the premise, it is not necessary to totally mind fook them. They are already!! And always will be.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 10, 2014, 08:42:17 AM
Good lord yes. If Stone wanted to commit here you take him in a heartbeat. A consensus top 10 player? You can figure out how to use him and spread out the minutes later on.
Furthermore if he is truly a one-and-done, you will then have another scholarship available in 2016.
Man, I must be slipping...I agree with Sultan. Hell yes you get Stone. Maybe Stone could look at what is happening with Wojo and MU and sign with the Duketucky of the Midwest. Play with studs and get ready for the big time. What a dream that would make.
There is nothing wrong with playing BB with mostly studs from Wisconsin at a storied program that is 10 minutes from your family. Where else can you also get kielbasa, beer and Summerfest that quickly? Maybe Sheboygan?
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 10, 2014, 08:38:41 AM
Time to even out the classes a little, I would hold the scholarship to spring or the following year. That way they can have a class of 2 in 2016. Plus having a real good team in 2015 it
might attract another top recruit. Wojo can be a little picky, take your time, no rush, we will have 11 solid players in two years even if he does not sign anybody. Plus what is everybody
going to talk about then if he signs 2016 kids really early?
I'm of the opinion that you should never bank a perfectly good scholarship. Sign a work in progress. If he doesn't work out, convince him that he will find more playing time elsewhere and sign the same 2016 kid you were going to sign anyway. Plus, transfers, injuries, early entrants, and dismissals happen. Space will become available if you need it to be available.
Now if we wanted to sign a quality graduate transfer with the last schollie, I'd be cool with that.
You are not going to know in a year's time whether a work in progress is going to work out. That type of recruit is not expected to play his first two years. Look at Dukon (sp) at UW. You should be committed to a player you sign and not have a revolving door policy. On the flip side a project player should understand and be willing to be the 13th man for possibly all four years. He should go elsewhere in the first place, if he is not willing to be a bench warmer.
Y'all, Stone ain't comin'. At least, not here.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Y'all, Stone ain't comin'. At least, not here.
I hear Looney might though.
That would be news to me
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2014, 02:40:58 PM
That would be news to me
Must not be waxin' his teeth anymore, aina?
Quote from: mug644 on October 09, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
In all seriousness, how big of a priority would Stone be at this point?
High priority. He'd have excellent trade value.
Quote from: Wade's World on October 10, 2014, 02:40:19 PM
I hear Looney might though.
Not sure if you were serious or not, but I had actually heard some rumblings last month that things aren't off to the greatest of starts in Westwood. Didn't think much of it, especially with a freshman being away for the first time.
Negative
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Y'all, Stone ain't comin'. At least, not here.
A lonely voice of sanity crying out in the wilderness of Ellenson euphoria.