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Actually sounds like a great idea. Whole lotta playin' time gonna be available come next season, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 03, 2014, 12:57:41 PM
Actually sounds like a great idea. Whole lotta playin' time gonna be available come next season, hey?
Might be enticing to a recruit who's focused on the NBA.
So let me get this straight: schools are prohibited from giving recruits t-shirts, but Kentucky gets to hold a NBA draft combine before the college season begins? WTF
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on October 03, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
So let me get this straight: schools are prohibited from giving recruits t-shirts, but Kentucky gets to hold a NBA draft combine before the college season begins? WTF
And get ESPN to broadcast it too. ::)
Meanwhile, Cal is whining that Coach K gets an unfair recruiting advantage coaching Team USA. ::)
Quote from: Groin_pull on October 03, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
And get ESPN to broadcast it too. ::)
Meanwhile, Cal is whining that Coach K gets an unfair recruiting advantage coaching Team USA. ::)
Wojo needs to get an anchor job at ESPN stat. It's the only way.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on October 03, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
So let me get this straight: schools are prohibited from giving recruits t-shirts, but Kentucky gets to hold a NBA draft combine before the college season begins? WTF
Kentucky does not "get" to do this.
Every school does.
He's a slimey dirty coach. But he plays his role well and is a genius when it comes to marketing to one and dones.
I would really like to see the NBA institute the same policy as the NFL, three year minimum before being drafted. It would kill Cal's system at UK.
or just let them go pro out of high school
Quote from: LAMUfan on October 03, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
or just let them go pro out of high school
Meh. I'm selfish. I want the best players in the college game. I don't give rat's arse about the NBA.
Quote from: brandx on October 03, 2014, 01:30:13 PM
Kentucky does not "get" to do this.
Every school does.
I understand the "don't hate the player, hate the game" argument. But it puts what the NCAA does regulate into context.
Quote from: CoachEllensonsCorner on October 03, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
This.
Sure...as long as we're spared the inevitable reports on down-on-their-luck high schoolers who attempted to jump to the NBA—and failed.
Don't want to hear any sob stories.
Quote from: LAMUfan on October 03, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
or just let them go pro out of high school
Combination of the 2, use the baseball concept, but with only 2 years and not 3. If you are good enough to go straight from HS, go for it. If not, 2 year minimum until you are eligible. I'm even ok with every HS senior being eligible for the draft, and if you go undrafted, being able to come back for your 2 years in college.
Quote from: LAMUfan on October 03, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
or just let them go pro out of high school
NBA won't do that. Teams hated scouting high school players.
Quote from: Hallmarq on October 03, 2014, 02:32:49 PM
Combination of the 2, use the baseball concept, but with only 2 years and not 3. If you are good enough to go straight from HS, go for it. If not, 2 year minimum until you are eligible. I'm even ok with every HS senior being eligible for the draft, and if you go undrafted, being able to come back for your 2 years in college.
Agreed, and to extend that, have more rounds in the draft and stock up the D-league if a guy you drafted early isn't ready yet, like the minors in baseball. You can call him up at any point then.
God, why wouldn't you go to Kentucky if you're a big time recruit?
Ashley Judd
Quote from: brandx on October 03, 2014, 01:30:13 PM
Kentucky does not "get" to do this.
Every school does.
Of course. Coach K could do it, too. ESPN would be happy to fill time with that, as well.
They have 2 teams, they should play with themselves on espn. calipari does what he wants when he wants.
The Crash Test Dummies song?
Quote from: LAZER on October 03, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
God, why wouldn't you go to Kentucky if you're a big time recruit?
Cause you'll get recruited over if you end up not being 1 and done material or get hurt.
Quote from: HenryJamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 04, 2014, 10:09:39 AM
Cause you'll get recruited over if you end up not being 1 and done material or get hurt.
I remember hearing that O'Neill got McIlvaine to stay instate by telling him that he'd get recruited over every year at UCLA.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on October 03, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
So let me get this straight: schools are prohibited from giving recruits t-shirts, but Kentucky gets to hold a NBA draft combine before the college season begins? WTF
Wrong analogy. These are already signed kids. Nba scouts can go to practices or games today and have been for decades. Only difference is they are dedicating a day or session for that purpose only. This is basically just doing what the football guys have done for many many years. Does it give them an advantage? Sure, but any school can do this....Kentucky's advantage is that they have many NBA guys to showcase.
"All 30 teams would have been at my first week of practice anyway,'' Calipari told ESPN on Friday. "This gives us a chance to control it a bit and get on with our business."
So what's the problem, exactly? He stated in the article that he wanted to control the environment. He's doing that with this showcase. I don't see the problem at all. It's a smart move.
Lots of sour grapes here...and we don't recruit at their level anyways.
Quote from: Atticus on October 04, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
Lots of sour grapes here...and we don't recruit at their level anyways.
We are this year.
Quote from: Heavy Ellenson Gear on October 04, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
We are this year.
Well...
We are competing with them for a recruit. But when the dust settles, our class will be barely top ten. Their's will be number one....with a large gap between them and number 2.
I have actually come to respect coach Cal quite a bit. He's no more slimy or dirty than the next guy. He's just a little more open, honest and transparent about the system in which he operates, and the sham of amateurism and student athletes. He doesn't try to build up the false narrative that the overwhelming number of players he and most in the upper eschelon of college BBall are involved with, are students first and players second. On the contraray, most of those players are going to college to play BBall, and further their basketball careers, with academics more of a necessary evil.
Cal doesn't really pretend to be something he isn't as so many other coaches do. The perfect approach for the school he's at, and it has made him wildly successful. People may not like it, because they selfishly like the old system of college BBall, want their own team to be good, etc., and the NCAA's restrictions and facade help accommodate that, but Cal's approach may actually be the most honest and least offensive out there, because he more or less calls it what it is, treats it as the professional sport that it is, and uses it to his advantage. Guess I see nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 04, 2014, 08:02:49 PM
Well...
We are competing with them for a recruit. But when the dust settles, our class will be barely top ten. Their's will be number one....with a large gap between them and number 2.
I completely understand that we won't compete with UK for recruits on a regular basis, but hopefully it'll more often with Wojo than it did with Brent.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
I have actually come to respect coach Cal quite a bit. He's no more slimy or dirty than the next guy. He's just a little more open, honest and transparent about the system in which he operates, and the sham of amateurism and student athletes. He doesn't try to build up the false narrative that the overwhelming number of players he and most in the upper eschelon of college BBall are involved with, are students first and players second. On the contraray, most of those players are going to college to play BBall, and further their basketball careers, with academics more of a necessary evil.
Cal doesn't really pretend to be something he isn't as so many other coaches do. The perfect approach for the school he's at, and it has made him wildly successful. People may not like it, because they selfishly like the old system of college BBall, want their own team to be good, etc., and the NCAA's restrictions and facade help accommodate that, but Cal's approach may actually be the most honest and least offensive out there, because he more or less calls it what it is, treats it as the professional sport that it is, and uses it to his advantage. Guess I see nothing wrong with that.
I hate to be so cynical, but I think you have it pegged. I also hope Wojo really believes what he's preaching. I'd like to believe Marquette is slinging the Jesuit hash.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
I have actually come to respect coach Cal quite a bit. He's no more slimy or dirty than the next guy. He's just a little more open, honest and transparent about the system in which he operates, and the sham of amateurism and student athletes. He doesn't try to build up the false narrative that the overwhelming number of players he and most in the upper eschelon of college BBall are involved with, are students first and players second. On the contraray, most of those players are going to college to play BBall, and further their basketball careers, with academics more of a necessary evil.
Cal doesn't really pretend to be something he isn't as so many other coaches do. The perfect approach for the school he's at, and it has made him wildly successful. People may not like it, because they selfishly like the old system of college BBall, want their own team to be good, etc., and the NCAA's restrictions and facade help accommodate that, but Cal's approach may actually be the most honest and least offensive out there, because he more or less calls it what it is, treats it as the professional sport that it is, and uses it to his advantage. Guess I see nothing wrong with that.
How many of those end up failing in hoops and that "necessary evil" keeps food in their mouths and productive members of society?
I don't disagree with your intent on this thread, but whenever it comes to this issue or related corollaries you seem to often paint this brush that most programs are like this, and that isn't the case. Your statements are true for some very high profile programs, and perhaps that's what you meant by upper echelon, but I'd like to know where that cutoff is. Wisconsin is an upper echelon program and this isn't their M.O. at all. Kentucky, sure. Duke, I disagree...sure you can pick a few Duke players perhaps out of the bunch but not the vast majority.
Of course there are going to be kids that are only going to school because they are playing hoops. Let's not sell short that more than enough also understand there is positive benefit to getting an education and using those basketball schools as a means to acquiring it.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
I have actually come to respect coach Cal quite a bit. He's no more slimy or dirty than the next guy. He's just a little more open, honest and transparent about the system in which he operates, and the sham of amateurism and student athletes. He doesn't try to build up the false narrative that the overwhelming number of players he and most in the upper eschelon of college BBall are involved with, are students first and players second. On the contraray, most of those players are going to college to play BBall, and further their basketball careers, with academics more of a necessary evil.
Cal doesn't really pretend to be something he isn't as so many other coaches do. The perfect approach for the school he's at, and it has made him wildly successful. People may not like it, because they selfishly like the old system of college BBall, want their own team to be good, etc., and the NCAA's restrictions and facade help accommodate that, but Cal's approach may actually be the most honest and least offensive out there, because he more or less calls it what it is, treats it as the professional sport that it is, and uses it to his advantage. Guess I see nothing wrong with that.
I believe that Coach Cal's reputation as dirty has more to do with his being the only coach to coach two teams to the final four where those final fours were later vacated by the NCAA. That and player recruitment situations like the Antonio Blakeney decommitment from Louisville this year.
I agree with the majority of posters on this thread that there is nothing wrong with his holding a combine for the NBA at Kentucky.
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 05, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
I believe that Coach Cal's reputation as dirty has more to do with his being the only coach to coach two teams to the final four where those final fours were later vacated by the NCAA. That and player recruitment situations like the Antonio Blakeney decommitment from Louisville this year.
I agree with the majority of posters on this thread that there is nothing wrong with his holding a combine for the NBA at Kentucky.
Think you are forgetting about World Wide Wes...?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
I have actually come to respect coach Cal quite a bit. He's no more slimy or dirty than the next guy. He's just a little more open, honest and transparent about the system in which he operates, and the sham of amateurism and student athletes. He doesn't try to build up the false narrative that the overwhelming number of players he and most in the upper eschelon of college BBall are involved with, are students first and players second. On the contraray, most of those players are going to college to play BBall, and further their basketball careers, with academics more of a necessary evil.
Cal doesn't really pretend to be something he isn't as so many other coaches do. The perfect approach for the school he's at, and it has made him wildly successful. People may not like it, because they selfishly like the old system of college BBall, want their own team to be good, etc., and the NCAA's restrictions and facade help accommodate that, but Cal's approach may actually be the most honest and least offensive out there, because he more or less calls it what it is, treats it as the professional sport that it is, and uses it to his advantage. Guess I see nothing wrong with that.
A unique perspective. Hard to disagree. Much of the rest of the two major sports still maintains the facade of amateurism for image purposes. That's what a lot of the public wants. The public still thinks it's 1970 out there (or whenever the average boomer graduated from college). The fake image is what sells college sports.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on October 05, 2014, 07:14:31 PM
A unique perspective. Hard to disagree. Much of the rest of the two major sports still maintains the facade of amateurism for image purposes. That's what a lot of the public wants. The public still thinks it's 1970 out there (or whenever the average boomer graduated from college). The fake image is what sells college sports.
Well, my 8 years in intercollegiate athletics had many experiences of kids busting butt in the classroom and the athletic fields. Too many of you lump a few schools or some instances at others and broadly state it as the norm for everyone. It just isn't the case.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on October 05, 2014, 07:14:31 PM
A unique perspective. Hard to disagree. Much of the rest of the two major sports still maintains the facade of amateurism for image purposes. That's what a lot of the public wants. The public still thinks it's 1970 out there (or whenever the average boomer graduated from college). The fake image is what sells college sports.
I don't think the general public cares all that much about amateurism. I think they want them to be enrolled, attend class, and be good citizens. If they earned some $$$ in the process, I don't think you would see much change in interest level.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 05, 2014, 07:19:35 PM
I don't think the general public cares all that much about amateurism. I think they want them to be enrolled, attend class, and be good citizens. If they earned some $$$ in the process, I don't think you would see much change in interest level.
I think you're living in fantasyland. People will say that's what they want, but in reality, I think they want them to win, be on TV, etc. If they do that, it's very easy to rationalize the rest away.
If you were right, there is a 0% chance Chip Kelly would be coaching at ND. Calipari would not be coaching UK, and Jaimis Winston would be bagging groceries instead of stealing them.
The money poured into college athletics is not because players are attending classes and being good citizens, it's because they're scoring touchdowns and draining 3s. All of that said, I have no problem with that, I just wish more folks would be honest with themselves and others and call it what it is.
Well you might be right. Yeah you probably are...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 05, 2014, 07:17:56 PM
Well, my 8 years in intercollegiate athletics had many experiences of kids busting butt in the classroom and the athletic fields. Too many of you lump a few schools or some instances at others and broadly state it as the norm for everyone. It just isn't the case.
Probably true of 75% as a wild guess. SEC FB and elite BB are probably the major exceptions....?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 05, 2014, 07:17:56 PM
Well, my 8 years in intercollegiate athletics had many experiences of kids busting butt in the classroom and the athletic fields. Too many of you lump a few schools or some instances at others and broadly state it as the norm for everyone. It just isn't the case.
I have spent years in academia and I would argue that at the BCS level in basketball and football, athletes busting their butt in the classroom is the exception, not the norm.
That is why they have special majors like Life Science Communication (UW) and others to make the athletes lives easier.
Now in other sports the athletes are typically very good and dedicated students.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 05, 2014, 04:00:43 PM
Think you are forgetting about World Wide Wes...?
So many stories, so little time...
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 08:06:31 PM
I think you're living in fantasyland. People will say that's what they want, but in reality, I think they want them to win, be on TV, etc. If they do that, it's very easy to rationalize the rest away.
If you were right, there is a 0% chance Brian Kelly would be coaching at ND. Calipari would not be coaching UK, and Jaimis Winston would be bagging groceries instead of stealing them.
The money poured into college athletics is not because players are attending classes and being good citizens, it's because they're scoring touchdowns and draining 3s. All of that said, I have no problem with that, I just wish more folks would be honest with themselves and others and call it what it is.
Fixed it.
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
I also have VERY reliable people telling me you're wrong. I guess we'll see.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
I think I smell vadger.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
It went poor enough that national, unbiased basketball reporters are tweeting out that Marquette is the leader, unsolicited?
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Haha
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
He may end up choosing Kentucky, but I have multiple VERY reliable sources that say that Henry's visit went great.
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 06, 2014, 10:33:56 AM
He may end up choosing Kentucky, but I have multiple VERY reliable sources that say that Henry's visit went great.
Who should we believe?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 05, 2014, 08:06:31 PM
I think you're living in fantasyland. People will say that's what they want, but in reality, I think they want them to win, be on TV, etc. If they do that, it's very easy to rationalize the rest away.
If you were right, there is a 0% chance Chip Kelly would be coaching at ND. Calipari would not be coaching UK, and Jaimis Winston would be bagging groceries instead of stealing them.
The money poured into college athletics is not because players are attending classes and being good citizens, it's because they're scoring touchdowns and draining 3s. All of that said, I have no problem with that, I just wish more folks would be honest with themselves and others and call it what it is.
Chip Kelly is at ND? Not sure I understand.
There are some people, including this board, that want college athletics to be merely an athlete factory and just win baby, forget everything else. That is true of every fanbase. There are also a number of fanbases that want both, good results on the field, good academics, good citizens, honor the school and don't tarnish the school. Most casual fans are this way, they get excited when the team does well, but they get very angry when the kids do something really stupid to tarnish the school. The rabid fans that don't understand that these kids are college students are typically the ones that want to win and win only. Unfortunately, those are the stereotypes that are pervasive.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Your Resume is showing!
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 06, 2014, 10:33:56 AM
He may end up choosing Kentucky, but I have multiple VERY reliable sources that say that Henry's visit went great.
Ditto.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Yeah, I heard that some kid named Wally followed him around everywhere bothering him.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
UDpride, is that you?
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 06, 2014, 01:28:57 PM
Yeah, I heard that some kid named Wally followed him around everywhere bothering him.
Apparently one of our players was pestering HE and telling him to "stop hitting himself."
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 06, 2014, 04:55:14 PM
Apparently one of our players was pestering HE and telling him to "stop hitting himself."
I heard the kid even went so far as to follow him home on the weekend.
Quote from: source? on October 06, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
I heard the kid even went so far as to follow him home on the weekend.
Heard he even tried to act as though he were Henry by calling Henry's parents mom and dad
MU is the only place that Harry received a noogie.
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Dairy intolerance?
Quote from: tower912 on October 06, 2014, 05:52:37 PM
MU is the only place that Harry received a noogie.
I heard it went even further and he received a wet willy.
Quote from: forgetful on October 06, 2014, 07:38:36 PM
I heard it went even further and he received a wet wally.
FIFY
Quote from: ThatDude on October 06, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
I have a VERY reliable source telling me that Henry Ellenson will choose Kentucky. Contrary to many people's belief, his visit at Marquette didnt go so well.
Time to get a new source
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 10, 2014, 11:27:48 PM
Time to get a new source
This is the kind of vindictive low brow sh@t i come to scoop for... well played sir +1
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 06, 2014, 01:28:57 PM
Yeah, I heard that some kid named Wally followed him around everywhere bothering him.
great scott! that's it! wally as wally and henry ellenson... as the beaver-duh da-duh-duh-duh-duh-da-duh don't be so hard on the beaver, wally! henry's new nick name-I have a toothache?