It seems like its been a rough few weeks on the recruiting trail. Terrance Mann is going to Florida State, Jimmy Whitt is going to Arkansas, Malik Beasley trimmed us from his list, Montague Gil-Caesar is heading to Mizzou, Donavan Mitchell is going to Louisville, Kerwin Roach put us in his top 10, than promptly removed us when he went down to 5. This got me thinking about the future and whose Wojo's priority recruits might be. I have very limited information, most drawing from what I have observed and heard from others. But I think the priority list shakes out like so.
The Top Priorities
Henry Ellenson- I think all of scoop has the Henry fever. Big enough to play the 5 but moves and shoots like a 2 or 3. Wojo seems to have serious in roads with the Ellenson clan and would take him over everyone. Ellenson has yet to trim his list.
Haanif Cheatham- If Ellenson is the top priority, it seems that an athletic wing is next on the list. Cheatham seems to be the best of those and received he most attention from the Marquette staff. We are currently in his top 6.
The Pipe Dream:
Diamond Stone- Contrary to popular belief, Wojo has been recruiting Stone. There seems to be less interest than before the regime change. I'm not holding my breath but stranger turns have happened. Stone has yet to trim his list.
If Not H2 (Henry/Haanif) than You:
Bryant Crawford- This 6"2 PG from DC is a true floor general. Others have suggested that young Mr. Noskowiak is more of a 2 and picking up Crawford would make some sense. We are currently in his top 7.
Levan "Shawn" Alston- A 6"3 shooter from Philly. Has kind of a Todd Mayo feel to his game but hopefully without the off the court baggage and old age. Stock has been rising lately. Currently in his top 6 with the likes of Temple, Notre Dame, and VCU.
Davon Dillard- A 6"5 wing from Gary, Indiana, the armpit of America. Has nasty athleticism and is fiercely competitive. Some reports of off the court issues including his coach benching him for long stretches due to attitude. The long benchings may be influencing his ranking, might be a sleeper pick.
Wojo May Have Cooled on Them:
Matt McQuaid- A 6"5 sharpshooter from Oklahoma. Committed to SMU and then decommitted several weeks later. As far as I have heard, Wojo hasn't reached out since the decommit.
Aaron Falzon- A 6"8 stretch 4 from Massachussets. Definitely values his education. Has set on campuses already with BC, Northwestern, and Harvard. Doesn't seem like Marquette will get one of the final two visits.
Josh Sharma- A 7 footer who happens to be buddies with the previously mentioned Falzon. Haven't heard of much mutual interest. BC, Stanford, and *gulp* Bucky seem to be the leaders.
Buzz Recruits that I don't Think Wojo is in On:
Legend Robertin (JUCO)
Corey Sanders
Jarvis Johnson
Jaylen Brown
Dwayne Bacon
E'Torrion Wilridge
Jordan Murphy
Travon Bunch
Cody Schwartz
I know some comments had been made about Wojo handing out offers like candy, but it seems to me like there are only a few serious offers out there. I think Wojo has clearly made Ellenson and Cheatham priorities and is keeping three others warm on the back burner. Any combination of those top 5 would give us a well rounded and highly ranked class. The lowest ranked player out of all of them is Davon Dillard a three star who is still inside the top 125 (and seems to be more talented than his ranking suggests). And even if we don't end up with anyone, Wojo has proven to be capable of working the transfer market.
All in all, I'm excited about the trajectory of our recruiting under Wojo. I am really excited to already have Noskowiak and Heldt already locked up (and Flory to boot). Next season might be rough, but 2015-2016 could be special.
Breathe TAMU. ;)
We got Ellenson.
Stone would be great, but not a deal killer.
In 2017, we will be NC. Our current, awesome sophomore class will be seniors. Nick will be a junior, and Matt will shine. Henry (and Stone, if he is smart) will be high contributing Sophs.
Done deal.
Go down to the Corner, order a Shiner, and put it on my tab.
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 20, 2014, 11:01:33 PM
Breathe TAMU. ;)
We got Ellenson.
Stone would be great, but not a deal killer.
In 2017, we will be NC. Our current, awesome sophomore class will be seniors. Nick will be a junior, and Matt will shine. Henry (and Stone, if he is smart) will be high contributing Sophs.
Done deal.
Go down to the Corner, order a Shiner, and put it on my tab.
Did you mean to say in 2017 we will be "in" NC....Charlotte, Greensboro, maybe Raleigh? Beautiful part of the country...can't imagine NC meant anything else.
TAMU...Sharma is a STONE cold lock for the Badgers.
Nice post TAMU, thank you. The kind I hope to enjoy everytime I visit Scoop.
I think it is quite clear that Wojo is targeting Ellenson and Haanif. Hopefully, if they decide to go elsewhere that they do not drag the decision out to long as secondary recuits are falling off the list.
Quote from: augoman on August 21, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Nice post TAMU, thank you. The kind I hope to enjoy everytime I visit Scoop.
+1
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 20, 2014, 11:01:33 PM
In 2017, we will be NC.
Jeesh, what a pessimist!
I mean, why aren't you saying we'll win 3 or 4 in a row?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2014, 11:11:28 PM
Did you mean to say in 2017 we will be "in" NC....Charlotte, Greensboro, maybe Raleigh? Beautiful part of the country...can't imagine NC meant anything else.
TAMU...Sharma is a STONE cold lock for the Badgers.
This isn't true. Wisconsin definitely is the favorite for Sharma but Stanford has a legit shot
Haanif wished Noskowiak a happy bday on twitter this week and put #family. Noskowiak replied with #mubb, looks like Wojo has us positioned nicely!!
If we get Henry and Haanif, it is an incredible first full recruiting class.
If we don't, as TAMU said, I'm nonetheless pleased with Wojo's initial efforts.
Very excited about the future of MU hoops.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2014, 10:05:52 AM
If we get Henry and Haanif, it is an incredible first full recruiting class.
If we don't, as TAMU said, I'm nonetheless pleased with Wojo's initial efforts.
Very excited about the future of MU hoops.
I think MU lands both. Then I think we'll see the narrative start changing for MU basketball.
Quote from: LAZER on August 21, 2014, 10:14:23 AM
I think MU lands both. Then I think we'll see the narrative start changing for MU basketball.
Not sure what you mean by this. What narrative? Whose narrative? What change? Please expound.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
Not sure what you mean by this. What narrative? Whose narrative? What change? Please expound.
Suspect he is referring to the Seth Davis article...?
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
Not sure what you mean by this. What narrative? Whose narrative? What change? Please expound.
The "program in decline" narrative. Add four top 100 guys, including a top 10 big man, and the view will shift.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 21, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
The "program in decline" narrative. Add four top 100 guys, including a top 10 big man, and the view will shift.
It would certainly mean an end to the narrative/meme of MU can't land a big recruit/big man in the middle
Quote from: mu03eng on August 21, 2014, 10:35:27 AM
It would certainly mean an end to the narrative/meme of MU can't land a big recruit/big man in the middle
...until he plays on the wing and then it all starts back up again.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 21, 2014, 10:43:06 AM
...until he plays on the wing and then it all starts back up again.
...even though Matt Heldt is #56 now in Scout
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on August 21, 2014, 09:57:05 AM
This isn't true. Wisconsin definitely is the favorite for Sharma but Stanford has a legit shot
Care to place a wager where he ends up?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 21, 2014, 10:49:31 AM
...even though Matt Heldt is #56 now in Scout
...until he plays on the perimeter and we find a way to downplay the fact that he's a stretch post...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
Care to place a wager where he ends up?
Nope. Like I said, Wisconsin is the favorite but it isnt a lock. Ellenson to MU is likely as well but i would not place a wager on it.
Posted this in the Hauser thread but will drop it here as well.
Sam Hauser ranked 77 in initial 247sports composite for 2016. Just outside the top 100 in Meyer's rankings.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 20, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
It seems like its been a rough few weeks on the recruiting trail. Terrance Mann is going to Florida State, Jimmy Whitt is going to Arkansas, Malik Beasley trimmed us from his list, Montague Gil-Caesar is heading to Mizzou, Donavan Mitchell is going to Louisville, Kerwin Roach put us in his top 10, than promptly removed us when he went down to 5. This got me thinking about the future and whose Wojo's priority recruits might be. I have very limited information, most drawing from what I have observed and heard from others. But I think the priority list shakes out like so.
The Top Priorities
Henry Ellenson- I think all of scoop has the Henry fever. Big enough to play the 5 but moves and shoots like a 2 or 3. Wojo seems to have serious in roads with the Ellenson clan and would take him over everyone. Ellenson has yet to trim his list.
Haanif Cheatham- If Ellenson is the top priority, it seems that an athletic wing is next on the list. Cheatham seems to be the best of those and received he most attention from the Marquette staff. We are currently in his top 6.
The Pipe Dream:
Diamond Stone- Contrary to popular belief, Wojo has been recruiting Stone. There seems to be less interest than before the regime change. I'm not holding my breath but stranger turns have happened. Stone has yet to trim his list.
If Not H2 (Henry/Haanif) than You:
Bryant Crawford- This 6"2 PG from DC is a true floor general. Others have suggested that young Mr. Noskowiak is more of a 2 and picking up Crawford would make some sense. We are currently in his top 7.
Levan "Shawn" Alston- A 6"3 shooter from Philly. Has kind of a Todd Mayo feel to his game but hopefully without the off the court baggage and old age. Stock has been rising lately. Currently in his top 6 with the likes of Temple, Notre Dame, and VCU.
Davon Dillard- A 6"5 wing from Gary, Indiana, the armpit of America. Has nasty athleticism and is fiercely competitive. Some reports of off the court issues including his coach benching him for long stretches due to attitude. The long benchings may be influencing his ranking, might be a sleeper pick.
Wojo May Have Cooled on Them:
Matt McQuaid- A 6"5 sharpshooter from Oklahoma. Committed to SMU and then decommitted several weeks later. As far as I have heard, Wojo hasn't reached out since the decommit.
Aaron Falzon- A 6"8 stretch 4 from Massachussets. Definitely values his education. Has set on campuses already with BC, Northwestern, and Harvard. Doesn't seem like Marquette will get one of the final two visits.
Josh Sharma- A 7 footer who happens to be buddies with the previously mentioned Falzon. Haven't heard of much mutual interest. BC, Stanford, and *gulp* Bucky seem to be the leaders.
Buzz Recruits that I don't Think Wojo is in On:
Legend Robertin (JUCO)
Corey Sanders
Jarvis Johnson
Jaylen Brown
Dwayne Bacon
E'Torrion Wilridge
Jordan Murphy
Travon Bunch
Cody Schwartz
I know some comments had been made about Wojo handing out offers like candy, but it seems to me like there are only a few serious offers out there. I think Wojo has clearly made Ellenson and Cheatham priorities and is keeping three others warm on the back burner. Any combination of those top 5 would give us a well rounded and highly ranked class. The lowest ranked player out of all of them is Davon Dillard a three star who is still inside the top 125 (and seems to be more talented than his ranking suggests). And even if we don't end up with anyone, Wojo has proven to be capable of working the transfer market.
All in all, I'm excited about the trajectory of our recruiting under Wojo. I am really excited to already have Noskowiak and Heldt already locked up (and Flory to boot). Next season might be rough, but 2015-2016 could be special.
Great post! I think the guys you mention that we've missed on recently were all guys recently offered more or less.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 21, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
The "program in decline" narrative. Add four top 100 guys, including a top 10 big man, and the view will shift.
Right. Obviously Wojo needs to prove it on the court with results, but I think landing a class like that shifts the whole storyline on the future of MU basketball.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on August 21, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
Posted this in the Hauser thread but will drop it here as well.
Sam Hauser ranked 77 in initial 247sports composite for 2016. Just outside the top 100 in Meyer's rankings.
and 4/4 crystal ball predictions point to MU. I know it means little at this point in the game, but having Mark Miller weighing in gives more reason for optimism.
Quote from: LAZER on August 21, 2014, 11:49:42 AM
Right. Obviously Wojo needs to prove it on the court with results, but I think landing a class like that shifts the whole storyline on the future of MU basketball.
Fair enough. Thanks.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on August 21, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
Nope. Like I said, Wisconsin is the favorite but it isnt a lock. Ellenson to MU is likely as well but i would not place a wager on it.
I'm willing to put money on it, that's how much of a lock I feel it is.
Let's put it this way, I would put way more money on Sharma to UW than Ellenson to MU. I'd still wager Henry to MU, but not nearly the $$$.
Sharma is going go UW.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
I'm willing to put money on it, that's how much of a lock I feel it is.
Let's put it this way, I would put way more money on Sharma to UW than Ellenson to MU. I'd still wager Henry to MU, but not nearly the $$$.
Sharma is going go UW.
Not calling you out, because I think you are right that Sharma is going to be a Vadger, but I always wonder how recruits feel seeing adults who have never met them tell other people where they are going to go to school. If I was a recruit, I would troll the hell out of scoopers
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
Not calling you out, because I think you are right that Sharma is going to be a Vadger, but I always wonder how recruits feel seeing adults who have never met them tell other people where they are going to go to school. If I was a recruit, I would troll the hell out of scoopers
No you wouldn't. You'd be too damn busy talking to/texting with coaches, and flirting with the girls coming out of the woodwork while playing/practicing a lot, and trying to get school work done.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 21, 2014, 02:26:57 PM
No you wouldn't. You'd be too damn busy talking to/texting with coaches, and flirting with the girls coming out of the woodwork while playing/practicing a lot, and trying to get school work done.
Just had to be the voice of reason, jerk.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 21, 2014, 02:26:57 PM
No you wouldn't. You'd be too damn busy talking to/texting with coaches, and flirting with the girls coming out of the woodwork while playing/practicing a lot, and trying to get school work done.
If I was still in school I'd totally make an account saying real diamond stone and be like "I'm coming to marquette!" But sadly money is more important than trolling people 18-mid 60s
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 21, 2014, 02:26:57 PM
No you wouldn't. You'd be too damn busy talking to/texting with coaches, and flirting with the girls coming out of the woodwork while playing/practicing a lot, and trying to get school work done.
Maybe but I think it would be fun. Every day tweet that another school was my new number 1.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2014, 03:42:04 PM
Maybe but I think it would be fun. Every day tweet that another school was my new number 1.
Good way to make fans.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 20, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
It seems like its been a rough few weeks on the recruiting trail. Terrance Mann is going to Florida State, Jimmy Whitt is going to Arkansas, Malik Beasley trimmed us from his list, Montague Gil-Caesar is heading to Mizzou, Donavan Mitchell is going to Louisville, Kerwin Roach put us in his top 10, than promptly removed us when he went down to 5. This got me thinking about the future and whose Wojo's priority recruits might be. I have very limited information, most drawing from what I have observed and heard from others. But I think the priority list shakes out like so.
The Top Priorities
Henry Ellenson- I think all of scoop has the Henry fever. Big enough to play the 5 but moves and shoots like a 2 or 3. Wojo seems to have serious in roads with the Ellenson clan and would take him over everyone. Ellenson has yet to trim his list.
Haanif Cheatham- If Ellenson is the top priority, it seems that an athletic wing is next on the list. Cheatham seems to be the best of those and received he most attention from the Marquette staff. We are currently in his top 6.
The Pipe Dream:
Diamond Stone- Contrary to popular belief, Wojo has been recruiting Stone. There seems to be less interest than before the regime change. I'm not holding my breath but stranger turns have happened. Stone has yet to trim his list.
If Not H2 (Henry/Haanif) than You:
Bryant Crawford- This 6"2 PG from DC is a true floor general. Others have suggested that young Mr. Noskowiak is more of a 2 and picking up Crawford would make some sense. We are currently in his top 7.
Levan "Shawn" Alston- A 6"3 shooter from Philly. Has kind of a Todd Mayo feel to his game but hopefully without the off the court baggage and old age. Stock has been rising lately. Currently in his top 6 with the likes of Temple, Notre Dame, and VCU.
Davon Dillard- A 6"5 wing from Gary, Indiana, the armpit of America. Has nasty athleticism and is fiercely competitive. Some reports of off the court issues including his coach benching him for long stretches due to attitude. The long benchings may be influencing his ranking, might be a sleeper pick.
Wojo May Have Cooled on Them:
Matt McQuaid- A 6"5 sharpshooter from Oklahoma. Committed to SMU and then decommitted several weeks later. As far as I have heard, Wojo hasn't reached out since the decommit.
Aaron Falzon- A 6"8 stretch 4 from Massachussets. Definitely values his education. Has set on campuses already with BC, Northwestern, and Harvard. Doesn't seem like Marquette will get one of the final two visits.
Josh Sharma- A 7 footer who happens to be buddies with the previously mentioned Falzon. Haven't heard of much mutual interest. BC, Stanford, and *gulp* Bucky seem to be the leaders.
Buzz Recruits that I don't Think Wojo is in On:
Legend Robertin (JUCO)
Corey Sanders
Jarvis Johnson
Jaylen Brown
Dwayne Bacon
E'Torrion Wilridge
Jordan Murphy
Travon Bunch
Cody Schwartz
I know some comments had been made about Wojo handing out offers like candy, but it seems to me like there are only a few serious offers out there. I think Wojo has clearly made Ellenson and Cheatham priorities and is keeping three others warm on the back burner. Any combination of those top 5 would give us a well rounded and highly ranked class. The lowest ranked player out of all of them is Davon Dillard a three star who is still inside the top 125 (and seems to be more talented than his ranking suggests). And even if we don't end up with anyone, Wojo has proven to be capable of working the transfer market.
All in all, I'm excited about the trajectory of our recruiting under Wojo. I am really excited to already have Noskowiak and Heldt already locked up (and Flory to boot). Next season might be rough, but 2015-2016 could be special.
Overall good analysis. Wojo has done a nice job of getting our name out there among the top recruits . I am confident we will fill the last two spots with quality players .
Respect the process
Just an FYI Bucky offered Alex Illikanien, a PF from the Minnesota area that CU was on for awhile, plays a similar position/role to Ellenson. Maybe thats a sign that Bo doesn't think he'll get Henry?
Unless there is a change of heart, Ellenson is coming to MU, again very reliable source, who is very good friends with MM.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 22, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
Unless there is a change of heart, Ellenson is coming to MU, again very reliable source, who is very good friends with MM.
Don't toy with my emotions like this! Dammit, now I've convinced myself he's coming. It seems too good to be true, but all signs point to it actually happening. Really hope it does.
If you follow the 247 crystal ball, both Ellenson and Cheatham are on their way to MU.
Would love to see that happen.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 22, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
If you follow the 247 crystal ball, both Ellenson and Cheatham are on their way to MU.
Would love to see that happen.
I know! It just seems too good to be true, all of it. Wojo's first full recruiting class consisting of a 5* PF on the national team, a rising skilled 4* C, a 4* combo guard, and a 4* wing would be INSANE. Mind blowing, in fact. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 22, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
I know! It just seems too good to be true, all of it. Wojo's first full recruiting class consisting of a 5* PF on the national team, a rising skilled 4* C, a 4* combo guard, and a 4* wing would be INSANE. Mind blowing, in fact. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Don't forget Levin, as well.
Top 10 class in Wojo's first year if Ellenson & Cheatum come here.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 22, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
I know! It just seems too good to be true, all of it. Wojo's first full recruiting class consisting of a 5* PF on the national team, a rising skilled 4* C, a 4* combo guard, and a 4* wing would be INSANE. Mind blowing, in fact. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Could be MU's best recruiting class in decades.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
Could be MU's best recruiting class in decades.
Is it that much better than the three amigos or last years? I mean yes I believe it would be but i don't think it'd be like some super class compared to previous ones
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 22, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Is it that much better than the three amigos or last years? I mean yes I believe it would be but i don't think it'd be like some super class compared to previous ones
While recognizing everybody's right to debate this - after all, as Dubya says, this is 'Merica! - I am going to hold off on comparing this year's recruiting class to previous recruiting classes until we know who exactly is in this year's class.
Crazy concept, I know.
Quote from: MU82 on August 22, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
While recognizing everybody's right to debate this - after all, as Dubya says, this is 'Merica! - I am going to hold off on comparing this year's recruiting class to previous recruiting classes until we know who exactly is in this year's class.
Crazy concept, I know.
No! This is scoop we b*tch and moan to eachother long after someone is proven wrong no matter what the topic is!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 22, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Is it that much better than the three amigos or last years? I mean yes I believe it would be but i don't think it'd be like some super class compared to previous ones
Getting a top ten guy would separate it from those classes for me.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
Getting a top ten guy would separate it from those classes for me.
Absolutely. The amigos class and the 2013 were definitely landmark hauls (especially on paper), but add a top 10 BIG no less to that mix and it's a cut above.
Now had we landed Embiid, the 2013 class would be on par with the hypothetical 2015 class in my mind, again, on paper, per se, so to speak.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
Getting a top ten guy would separate it from those classes for me.
To me that'd depend on how long he's here and if getting him changed the perception of the program to other recruits so that we get serious looks from the Cream of the crop recruits
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 22, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
Don't toy with my emotions like this! Dammit, now I've convinced myself he's coming. It seems too good to be true, but all signs point to it actually happening. Really hope it does.
Did you say happening?
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I have a strange feeling that this is not happening. This will be another Iman Shumpert situation where we all though Shumpert was in the bag, than he picked up a Georgia Tech hat on WGN and Crean bolted.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 22, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
I have a strange feeling that this is not happening. This will be another Iman Shumpert situation where we all though Shumpert was in the bag, than he picked up a Georgia Tech hat on WGN and Crean bolted.
Are you calling Ron Paul a liar?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 22, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
I have a strange feeling that this is not happening. This will be another Iman Shumpert situation where we all though Shumpert was in the bag, than he picked up a Georgia Tech hat on WGN and Crean bolted.
Ya but gabe Levin coming is making up for that :)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 22, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
Did you say happening?
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haha yes! glad to have this back in the mix
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 22, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
Unless there is a change of heart, Ellenson is coming to MU, again very reliable source, who is very good friends with MM.
This is the sort of carrot dangling that makes me nervous and giddy. Does this source have a timeframe or something?
If being an MU fan for any length of time teaches you anything, it is to never assume a recruit is coming based on message board sources. I will believe the two featured are coming when it is announced by a reliable source.
Quote from: tower912 on August 22, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
If being an MU fan for any length of time teaches you anything, it is to never assume a recruit is coming based on message board sources. I will believe the two featured are coming when it is announced by a reliable source.
You are very wise. While it may look very positive, we've been down this road too many times.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 22, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
You are very wise. While it may look very positive, we've been down this road too many times.
Exactly, even a reliable source does not mean a player can be blown away visiting another school. Kids change there mind all the time. Until the signing date, Wojo has to be on top of
these kids everyday to keep them happy and together. I am sure Nick will be here when Cheatham visits, they are friends. Chances are good for both potential recruits. 100% no, not
even Heldt or Nick are that. But my source is a good one.
Quote from: tower912 on August 22, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
If being an MU fan for any length of time teaches you anything, it is to never assume a recruit is coming based on message board sources. I will believe the two featured are coming when it is announced by a reliable source.
Recruit, or coach.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 22, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
If you follow the 247 crystal ball, both Ellenson and Cheatham are on their way to MU.
Would love to see that happen.
Welcome back, Groin!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
Getting a top ten guy would separate it from those classes for me.
Mr. Bernstein nailed it. This hasn't happened since Al.
Quote from: keefe on August 22, 2014, 10:27:31 PM
Welcome back, Groin!
Thanks. Good to be back. I took some time off and now I'm going to remain calm and avoid any pissing matches.
At least that's the plan.
Quote from: keefe on August 22, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Mr. Bernstein nailed it. This hasn't happened since Al.
That is not true. Doc Rivers was top 10 and Raymonds brought in several highly rated recruits, besides Rivers.
Quote from: bilsu on August 22, 2014, 11:13:18 PM
That is not true. Doc Rivers was top 10 and Raymonds brought in several highly rated recruits, besides Rivers.
Well, arguable about Doc but Street & Smith did have him quite high. I think you are referring to Hank bringing in Johnson & Johnson. Both were extremely well regarded but I don't think either was Top 10. If I am wrong then I defer to your better intel.
Problem with Hank was inconsistency.
Yes. I believe Rivers was MU's last legit top 10 recruit. I think Trotter was top 20.
Quote from: keefe on August 22, 2014, 11:23:19 PM
Well, arguable about Doc but Street & Smith did have him quite high. I think you are referring to Hank bringing in Johnson & Johnson. Both were extremely well regarded but I don't think either was Top 10. If I am wrong then I defer to your better intel.
Problem with Hank was inconsistency.
Street & Smith pre-season rankings: in '80, Doc was 1st team and in '81, Duane Johnson was 2nd team, Walter Downing 5th team and Mandy Johnson was 6th team.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 22, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
You are very wise. While it may look very positive, we've been down this road too many times.
Joe Wolf.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
Not calling you out, because I think you are right that Sharma is going to be a Vadger, but I always wonder how recruits feel seeing adults who have never met them tell other people where they are going to go to school. If I was a recruit, I would troll the hell out of scoopers
I wouldn't say it if I didn't have a very good source saying it was going to happen.
For what it's worth, Corey Evans said he changed his pick to Marquette because he thought it was pretty much down to Marquette and Cal.
Quote from: tower912 on August 22, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
If being an MU fan for any length of time teaches you anything, it is to never assume a recruit is coming based on message board sources. I will believe the two featured are coming when it is announced by a reliable source.
Oh don't worry. Henry will be playing at Marquette. And Shaka will do a hell of a job coaching him up!
Quote from: MU82 on August 23, 2014, 10:18:36 PM
Oh don't worry. Henry will be playing at Marquette. And Shaka will do a hell of a job coaching him up!
Excellent job!!
What do you guys think of Wally Ellenson? What was he ranked coming out of high school?
Quote from: jakeec on August 24, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
What do you guys think of Wally Ellenson? What was he ranked coming out of high school?
3 star on Scout. I don't think he was ranked in the Top 100. He has good size for a SG at 6'5. It appears he had some tough luck at Minnesota with an early injury and then playing for a coach that didn't recruit him. I'm hopeful he can be a good role player.
Worst case scenario is he doesn't pan out on the basketball court and he gives our track program a lot of good publicity. Obviously Henry being his brother makes him an attractive prospect, but I think Wally will be solid contributor in his own right.
Quote from: jakeec on August 24, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
What do you guys think of Wally Ellenson? What was he ranked coming out of high school?
Blood is thicker than water. That's what's important
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 24, 2014, 11:37:26 AM
3 star on Scout. I don't think he was ranked in the Top 100. He has good size for a SG at 6'5. It appears he had some tough luck at Minnesota with an early injury and then playing for a coach that didn't recruit him. I'm hopeful he can be a good role player.
Worst case scenario is he doesn't pan out on the basketball court and he gives our track program a lot of good publicity. Obviously Henry being his brother makes him an attractive prospect, but I think Wally will be solid contributor in his own right.
The kid has hops like no one I've ever seen. Had th athleticism, just needs to work in the fundamentals. I'm confident that Wojo will turn him into not only a quality role player, but a guy who is challenging for a starters spot.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 22, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Yes. I believe Rivers was MU's last legit top 10 recruit. I think Trotter was top 20.
Safe to say Henry would be the biggest recruit since Doc.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on August 24, 2014, 12:34:47 PM
Safe to say Henry would be the biggest recruit since Doc.
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Quote from: Heavy Gear on August 24, 2014, 12:34:47 PM
Safe to say Henry would be the biggest recruit since Doc.
I am guessing you meant to phrase it differently (maybe biggest recruit in terms of hype surrounding him coming in, or highest ranking), but I think Wade ended up as the biggest recruit since any Al era player.
Quote from: keefe on August 24, 2014, 01:04:38 PM
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The only real change to the course is an additional week (4th Week), ROVER work, more controls, and some targeting software.
It's not easy to keep up with Keefe's signatures. I thought this would be interesting - and awesome.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 24, 2014, 12:33:41 PM
The kid has hops like no one I've ever seen. Had th athleticism, just needs to work in the fundamentals. I'm confident that Wojo will turn him into not only a quality role player, but a guy who is challenging for a starters spot.
Interesting. What fuels your confidence? Have you seen him play much? Even if Wally isn't half bad, he will be competing with some pretty good players for P.T. I'm definitely curious about his chances of being a contributor.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 24, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
I am guessing you meant to phrase it differently (maybe biggest recruit in terms of hype surrounding him coming in, or highest ranking), but I think Wade ended up as the biggest recruit since any Al era player.
Yes, biggest in terms of ranking and expectations coming in.
Quote from: MU82 on August 24, 2014, 02:59:25 PM
Interesting. What fuels your confidence? Have you seen him play much? Even if Wally isn't half bad, he will be competing with some pretty good players for P.T. I'm definitely curious about his chances of being a contributor.
Honestly, most of my analysis is from youtube videos and hearsay. But the bit about him being an elite athlete who just needs to work on fundamentals came from someone I trust. They were adamant that this was not just an add to try and entice Henry. Wally is a player.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 24, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Honestly, most of my analysis is from youtube videos and hearsay. But the bit about him being an elite athlete who just needs to work on fundamentals came from someone I trust. They were adamant that this was not just an add to try and entice Henry. Wally is a player.
He's got good size and obviously he's an outstanding athlete. You'd think he'd be a good defensive player and rebounder, and here's hoping he can become an offensive contributor, too.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 24, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Honestly, most of my analysis is from youtube videos and hearsay. But the bit about him being an elite athlete who just needs to work on fundamentals came from someone I trust. They were adamant that this was not just an add to try and entice Henry. Wally is a player.
I guess I am a little surprised you think he will be a starter based on watching some you tube videos. How much did he play at lowly Minnesota his first two years?
What was Novak coming out of hs? I remember that was big. He was looking at Florida and vice a versa
Quote from: "The Bull" in a China Shop on August 24, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
What was Novak coming out of hs? I remember that was big. He was looking at Florida and vice a versa
RSCI #57
Quote from: jakeec on August 24, 2014, 08:49:31 PM
I guess I am a little surprised you think he will be a starter based on watching some you tube videos. How much did he play at lowly Minnesota his first two years?
I don't think he will be a starter. I think he will be competing for a starting spot. I also don't base it on youtube videos, I base it on what I have been told by people who are smarter than I am that I trust.
Ellenson had a bad break at Minnesota. He contended with injuries and was a Tubby Smith recruit playing for Baby Pitino. Multiple sources have said that Ellenson and Baby Pitino did not see eye to eye and was benched as a result. He is better than his box score suggests.
I have been told by some old friends who still work for the athletic department that Wally is the best athlete on the team. Even better than Bane. He is lacking in some fundamentals but if Wojo can teach him (something I trust Wojo to do a helluva lot more than I trusted Buzz to do) than my friends believe that he could be good enough to challenge for a starting spot. At very least he can get some highlight dunks on Fox Sports Live.
This was from over two years ago when he was shorter and about half as athletic as he is now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytGbkU3aQM
Quote from: "The Bull" in a China Shop on August 24, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
What was Novak coming out of hs? I remember that was big. He was looking at Florida and vice a versa
He really wanted North Carolina, but the love wasn't returned (enough).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 24, 2014, 10:32:09 PM
This was from over two years ago when he was shorter and about half as athletic as he is now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytGbkU3aQM
Some of those poor kids he was jumping over going up to the rim should have just gotten out of the way. He can get up.
Has anyone ever completed a list of our top 100 recruits? I mean I can remember all the ones through the Buzz era, there's the three amigos and I'm guessing Diener and Novak were. Anyone care to add?
Per RSCI:
1998
33 Robert Jackson
2000
85 Scott Merritt
2001
40 Travis Diener
2002
57 Steve Novak
2003
71 Dameon Mason
2005
36 Dominic James
57 Jerel McNeal
61 Wesley Matthews
2007
91 Trevor Mbakwe
2009
40 Jamil Wilson
47 Junior Cadougan
67 Erik Williams
2010
48 Vander Blue
73 Jeronne Maymon
74 Jamail Jones
2011
81 Juan Anderson
2012
T82 Steve Taylor
2013
T30 JaJuan Johnson
54 Deonte Burton
59 Duane Wilson
2014
75 Sandy Cohen
This is a poor way to use the data because rankings rank a class, not talent across classes... but it's still interesting
RSCI Name Year
30 JaJuan Johnson 2013
33 Robert Jackson 1998
36 Dominic James 2005
40 Travis Diener 2001
40 Jamil Wilson 2009
47 Junior Cadougan 2009
48 Vander Blue 2010
54 Deonte Burton 2013
59 Duane Wilson 2013
57 Jerel McNeal 2005
57 Steve Novak 2002
61 Wesley Matthews 2005
67 Erik Williams 2009
71 Dameon Mason 2003
73 Jeronne Maymon 2010
74 Jamail Jones 2010
75 Sandy Cohen 2014
81 Juan Anderson 2011
82 Steve Taylor 2012
85 Scott Merritt 2000
91 Trevor Mbakwe 2007
Duane was RSCI #59
2009: Erik Williams was RSCI #67 and Jeronne Maymon was #73
2007: Trevor Mbakwe was RSCI #91
Also add Erik Williams(67) and Maymon(73) from 2009
2003: Dameon Mason #71
2010: Jamail Jones RSCI #74
Also, Sandy Cohen #75 for 2014
Thanks guys. Updated through here.
Maybe repurpose this page (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/start) to keep some of this for posterity?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 25, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
Thanks guys. Updated through here.
Erik Williams was 2009 you idiot!
Sorry, I didn't mean that, just didn't think there was enough controversy in this thread. Thanks for compiling the list.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on August 24, 2014, 12:34:47 PM
Safe to say Henry would be the biggest recruit since Doc.
I think the honors belong to Lloyd Moore. ;)
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 12:22:39 PM
Erik Williams was 2009 you idiot!
Sorry, I didn't mean that, just didn't think there was enough controversy in this thread. Thanks for compiling the list.
NEVER CORRECT THE KEEPER OF THE LIST!
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 24, 2014, 10:32:09 PM
I don't think he will be a starter. I think he will be competing for a starting spot. I also don't base it on youtube videos, I base it on what I have been told by people who are smarter than I am that I trust.
Ellenson had a bad break at Minnesota. He contended with injuries and was a Tubby Smith recruit playing for Baby Pitino. Multiple sources have said that Ellenson and Baby Pitino did not see eye to eye and was benched as a result. He is better than his box score suggests.
I have been told by some old friends who still work for the athletic department that Wally is the best athlete on the team. Even better than Bane. He is lacking in some fundamentals but if Wojo can teach him (something I trust Wojo to do a helluva lot more than I trusted Buzz to do) than my friends believe that he could be good enough to challenge for a starting spot. At very least he can get some highlight dunks on Fox Sports Live.
This was from over two years ago when he was shorter and about half as athletic as he is now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytGbkU3aQM
Jaybee, what's your take on this....highlighted portion?
And where are Nick and Matt now? Overall it seems like mu's perception by recruits is below 50 but still seen as a legitimate spot for top 100. Interesting that despite buzz always talking about how he loved unheralded players he actually recruited more top 100 guys here in 6 years than Crean did in 9yrs. I guess you could argue that it had to do with the perception of Marquette built up by Crean but I just find it interesting
Pretty crazy that the best MU player of this era - and maybe ever - D-Wade, wasn't ranked at all. Neither, apparently, was Lazar, who played 3 years in the league. Neither (out of HS, anyway) were JFB, Jae and DJO.
Throw in a PG even of Acker's ability (as a senior) and a big like Gardner, and you have a 7-player rotation that would have contended for multiple national titles. And, seemingly, not a ranked player among them.
Quote from: MU82 on August 25, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Pretty crazy that the best MU player of this era - and maybe ever - D-Wade, wasn't ranked at all. Neither, apparently, was Lazar, who played 3 years in the league. Neither (one of HS, anyway) were JFB, Jae and DJO.
Throw in a PG even of Acker's ability (as a senior) and a big like Gardner, and you have a 7-player rotation that would have contended for multiple national titles. And, seemingly, not a ranked player among them.
Didn't even think about that, a 13-man roster from when RSCI rankings began to now of our best unranked (RSCI) players would be cool to put together. And you're right, it would definitely compete for a national championship just based on the players above.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 02:41:00 PM
Didn't even think about that, a 13-man roster from when RSCI rankings began to now of our best unranked (RSCI) players would be cool to put together. And you're right, it would definitely compete for a national championship just based on the players above.
I thought DJO was a top 100 player or at least sought after and someone screwed up paper work. I could've sworn buzz said that once
Bama wrote a nice piece on this topic (ranked vs unranked success) here:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/07/buzz-unmatched-in-turning-non-prospects.html
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 25, 2014, 02:56:35 PM
I thought DJO was a top 100 player or at least sought after and someone screwed up paper work. I could've sworn buzz said that once
I think the legend goes that DJO blew up the first year in JUCO, but everyone thought he had to be a 2 year player and teams like UK (or similar tier) were starting to show serious interest. But Buzz had an inside track on the knowledge the DJO would be approved for a 1 year stay and was on him for that year's spring signing instead of the following year's class, and we still had an open scholly. He was definitely not an RSCI top 100 player out of HS for one reason or another.
Quote from: MU82 on August 25, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Pretty crazy that the best MU player of this era - and maybe ever - D-Wade, wasn't ranked at all. Neither, apparently, was Lazar, who played 3 years in the league. Neither (out of HS, anyway) were JFB, Jae and DJO.
Throw in a PG even of Acker's ability (as a senior) and a big like Gardner, and you have a 7-player rotation that would have contended for multiple national titles. And, seemingly, not a ranked player among them.
ummm, the lie created by Tom Cream lives on. Dwade was extremely highly regarded. While not highly recruited due to the fact that the Big 5 conferences did not allow scholarships under the old prop 48 rule. Lesser conferences did, hence MU was one of the biggest names available to recruit a Dwade while other were not going to recruit what they couldnt have.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
I think the legend goes that DJO blew up the first year in JUCO, but everyone thought he had to be a 2 year player and teams like UK (or similar tier) were starting to show serious interest. But Buzz had an inside track on the knowledge the DJO would be approved for a 1 year stay and was on him for that year's spring signing instead of the following year's class, and we still had an open scholly. He was definitely not an RSCI top 100 player out of HS for one reason or another.
The NCAA clearinghouse wouldn't approve a class that he took in high school forcing him to go to a JUCO, but at the last minute they approved him, when is when Buzz jumped in.
He was a mid-major recruit in high school with some nibbles from lower level high major programs.
Quote from: River rat on August 25, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
ummm, the lie created by Tom Cream lives on. Dwade was extremely highly regarded. While not highly recruited due to the fact that the Big 5 conferences did not allow scholarships under the old prop 48 rule. Lesser conferences did, hence MU was one of the biggest names available to recruit a Dwade while other were not going to recruit what they couldnt have.
I agree we got lucky that the competition for his services was limited (the best thing to happen to MU hoops in the last quarter century), but the fact remains he was not an RSCI top 100 player, which is I believe is what MU82 was commenting on.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 25, 2014, 02:59:22 PM
Bama wrote a nice piece on this topic (ranked vs unranked success) here:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/07/buzz-unmatched-in-turning-non-prospects.html
When he was winning, people called him eccentric. When he was losing, they called him crazy.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
I agree we got lucky that the competition for his services was limited (the best thing to happen to MU hoops in the last quarter century), but the fact remains he was not an RSCI top 100 player, which is I believe is what MU82 was commenting on.
Exactly. Please don't call me a liar. Wade WASN'T ranked. That's what the comment was about.
I actually know Rob Judson quite well and he was an Illinois assistant when Wade was in high school. He told me Illinois and every other program knew all about Wade's talent but that for most of them their hands were tied. He still thinks there might have been a way for Illinois to get him on campus, but they never aggressively pursued their options.
DePaul was the one that really dropped the ball on Wade - showed him too little interest until too late - wasted their time pursuing the likes of Eddy Curry!
As for the pros, the Bulls could have moved up in the draft to get Wade but the Raptors asked for Donyell Marshall in the deal and Paxson wouldn't give him up. I know this for a fact.
So both DePaul and the Bulls blew chances to keep Wade in Chicago ... and Marquette and the Heat are eternally grateful!
Quote from: MDMU04 on August 25, 2014, 10:43:22 AM
Some of those poor kids he was jumping over going up to the rim should have just gotten out of the way. He can get up.
I remember seeing him as a freshman at Minny and being shocked at his athleticism. Had not been familiar with him.
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 25, 2014, 12:24:54 PM
I think the honors belong to Lloyd Moore. ;)
He just wanted to be the second coming of Larry Petty.
I know there was some who thought we were still in the running for Dwayne Bacon. Found this today
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Dwayne-Bacon-Trims-His-List-To-10-30344951
Didn't make the cut.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 02, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
I know there was some who thought we were still in the running for Dwayne Bacon. Found this today
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Dwayne-Bacon-Trims-His-List-To-10-30344951
Didn't make the cut.
dont think wojo was on him. i think he was just mainly going for henry haanif,whitt,watson.
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 02, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
dont think wojo was on him. i think he was just mainly going for henry haanif,whitt,watson.
Wojo didn't go after Glynn Watson either. Once he got Noskowiak he had no need for Watson.
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 02, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
dont think wojo was on him. i think he was just mainly going for henry haanif,whitt,watson.
I think Wojo currently has 8 "offers" out: Bryant Crawford, Matt McQuaid, Haanif Cheathum, Levan Alston, Davon Dillard, Henry Ellenson, Aaron Falzon, and Josh Sharma. McQuaid, Falzon, and Sharma seem to be going elsewhere. Haanif and Henry seem to be the top priorities.
I have heard from someone I trust that Wojo did reach out to Bacon, Stone, and Gil-Caesar. He got the thanks but no thanks.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
I think the legend goes that DJO blew up the first year in JUCO, but everyone thought he had to be a 2 year player and teams like UK (or similar tier) were starting to show serious interest. But Buzz had an inside track on the knowledge the DJO would be approved for a 1 year stay and was on him for that year's spring signing instead of the following year's class, and we still had an open scholly. He was definitely not an RSCI top 100 player out of HS for one reason or another.
All true.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 25, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
I agree we got lucky that the competition for his services was limited (the best thing to happen to MU hoops in the last quarter century), but the fact remains he was not an RSCI top 100 player, which is I believe is what MU82 was commenting on.
True, he was not an RSCI top 100 player. He had big time problems at home (Mom went to jail and he had to move in with his Dad) and in the classroom. Many services overlooked him, but he blew up his senior year (scored like 81 points in a 2 game Christmas tournament) and Bob Gibbons had him at 55 in his spring rankings. Couldn't play his freshmen year, but reports were he dominated senior star Brian Wardle in practice and wowed the Bucks players in pick up games. Nobody who really followed MU hoops was at all surprised when he starred from day one his sophomore year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 02, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
True, he was not an RSCI top 100 player. He had big time problems at home (Mom went to jail and he had to move in with his Dad) and in the classroom. Many services overlooked him, but he blew up his senior year (scored like 81 points in a 2 game Christmas tournament) and Bob Gibbons had him at 55 in his spring rankings. Couldn't play his freshmen year, but reports were he dominated senior star Brian Wardle in practice and wowed the Bucks players in pick up games. Nobody who really followed MU hoops was at all surprised when he starred from day one his sophomore year.
This is true. I still remember being in grade school and hearing my dad tell someone about this freshman who wasn't eligible but was dominating practice while we were out shoveling a neighbor's driveway and thinking "Yeah, alright ::)." 20-some months later we were leaving the Metrodome planning our trip to New Orleans.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 25, 2014, 01:45:17 PM
And where are Nick and Matt now? Overall it seems like mu's perception by recruits is below 50 but still seen as a legitimate spot for top 100. Interesting that despite buzz always talking about how he loved unheralded players he actually recruited more top 100 guys here in 6 years than Crean did in 9yrs. I guess you could argue that it had to do with the perception of Marquette built up by Crean but I just find it interesting
Not surprising, the first few years for Crean he was recruiting off a losing team, come play in CUSA and practice in the old gym. Buzz never had to deal with any of that.
Compare Crean's last 6 years to Buzz's 6 years and you're going to get a more balanced comparison as the Big East came into play, the Al McGuire Center, and some success on the court to leverage.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 25, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
Thanks guys. Updated through here.
Maybe repurpose this page (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/start) to keep some of this for posterity?
You're missing Tyshawn, Nick Williams, etc.....all of whom would have been at MU.
Quote from: River rat on August 25, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
ummm, the lie created by Tom Cream lives on. Dwade was extremely highly regarded. While not highly recruited due to the fact that the Big 5 conferences did not allow scholarships under the old prop 48 rule. Lesser conferences did, hence MU was one of the biggest names available to recruit a Dwade while other were not going to recruit what they couldnt have.
You are correct that some conferences did not allow scholarships for prop 48. You are incorrect about saying Wade was extremely highly regarded. The recruiting services ranked kids regardless of whether they were Prop 48 or not, and Wade only got one great rating and a bunch of average ratings. The ratings could not care less about prop 48, they base it on talent level. You're mixing two things to push your agenda Robby.
Wade was #101 - RSCI
Quote from: brandx on September 02, 2014, 10:04:32 PM
Wade was #101 - RSCI
Since RSCI only goes to 100 that is some pretty inside info you have obtained....
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2000-final
Not to repeat myself (much), but ...
I am friendly with one-time top Illinois recruiter Rob Judson (yeah, I know, you're happy for me), and he told me back then (and has repeated it since) that the Illini knew Wade would be an outstanding college player, as did most other major programs in the Midwest.
Let's not pretend that Wade was some mystery who emerged from nowhere, a la Robert Redford in The Natural. Wade might not have been ranked by the services, but he was ranked in the minds of D1 coaches.
Quote from: MuMark on September 02, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
Since RSCI only goes to 100 that is some pretty inside info you have obtained....
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2000-final
You're right. I read the chart wrong. RSCI had him listed as #101 for most of the services (anyone not in the top 100 was listed at #101). They had one service listing him at #55.
But it may have been the worst HS class ever. Other than Wade, the best players were Zac Randolph, Luke Ridnour, Caron Butler, Gerald Wallace, and Jameer Nelson.
Quote from: MU82 on September 02, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
Not to repeat myself (much), but ...
I am friendly with one-time top Illinois recruiter Rob Judson (yeah, I know, you're happy for me), and he told me back then (and has repeated it since) that the Illini knew Wade would be an outstanding college player, as did most other major programs in the Midwest.
Let's not pretend that Wade was some mystery who emerged from nowhere, a la Robert Redford in The Natural. Wade might not have been ranked by the services, but he was ranked in the minds of D1 coaches.
Don't think anyone is disputing this, but the rating services don't hedge based on whether he will be a prop 48 or not. They rate based on talent. There are plenty of guys over the years they have rated in the top 100 that had to go to prep school or were prop 48's or would have been academically ineligible so they went straight to the pro's.
Yes, some coaches noted his talent. Many didn't. Some conferences didn't allow it, but unlike Robby River Rat's claim, many did. In his own state....Purdue, for example....Glenn Big Dog Robinson was a Prop 48. Notre Dame had Tony Rice, Prop 48 for football.
Quote from: MU82 on September 02, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
emerged from nowhere, a la Robert Redford in The Natural
Actually, Redford toiled in the minors for a decade until he was called up to play for George Roy Hill. Hill paired Redford with perennial All Star Paul Newman and the two formed one of the Big's best batteries for years.
But you get a lot of credit for the Malamud reference. Stellar writer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 03, 2014, 12:50:30 AM
Yes, some coaches noted his talent. Many didn't. Some conferences didn't allow it, but unlike Robby River Rat's claim, many did. In his own state....Purdue, for example....Glenn Big Dog Robinson was a Prop 48. Notre Dame had Tony Rice, Prop 48 for football.
I met Tony Rice in a bar last year during the elite 8. I was wearing MU gear and he came up to talk to me because his daughter had just graduated from MU. He was a real nice guy, but he did drop his name and mentioned he was a Heisman finalist at ND to see if I recognized him...which I did. No class ring and picking of the nose, but Al woulda got a kick outta it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 03, 2014, 12:50:30 AM
Don't think anyone is disputing this, but the rating services don't hedge based on whether he will be a prop 48 or not. They rate based on talent. There are plenty of guys over the years they have rated in the top 100 that had to go to prep school or were prop 48's or would have been academically ineligible so they went straight to the pro's.
Yes, some coaches noted his talent. Many didn't. Some conferences didn't allow it, but unlike Robby River Rat's claim, many did. In his own state....Purdue, for example....Glenn Big Dog Robinson was a Prop 48. Notre Dame had Tony Rice, Prop 48 for football.
I agree with all of this, though I am guessing that far more coaches, especially those who recruited Chicago at all, knew how good Wade was than not.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 02, 2014, 09:55:24 PM
You are correct that some conferences did not allow scholarships for prop 48. You are incorrect about saying Wade was extremely highly regarded. The recruiting services ranked kids regardless of whether they were Prop 48 or not, and Wade only got one great rating and a bunch of average ratings. The ratings could not care less about prop 48, they base it on talent level. You're mixing two things to push your agenda Robby.
Three other things to keep in mind.
First, Wade signed with MU long before anyone knew that he would be Prop 48. The comments on the board here were hopeful he'd pull a qualifying score on the ACT right up to the last test date following his senior season. There were no league rules that would have restricted signing an academically risky player--the rules prohibited that player enrolling. In November of his senior year, nobody knew whether he'd qualify as a frosh or not.
Second, there were no such league restrictions on the likes of Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, etc. Even if UNC or Duke chose to pass due to academic risk that Wade would fail to meet league minimums, Huggins and Pitino could still have gone after Wade. Yet, they passed as well.
Third, even AFTER Wade's senior season, he was only voted 7th for Illinois Mr. Basketball. And he improved his standing significantly during his senior year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 02, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
True, he was not an RSCI top 100 player. He had big time problems at home (Mom went to jail and he had to move in with his Dad) and in the classroom. Many services overlooked him, but he blew up his senior year (scored like 81 points in a 2 game Christmas tournament) and Bob Gibbons had him at 55 in his spring rankings. Couldn't play his freshmen year, but reports were he dominated senior star Brian Wardle in practice and wowed the Bucks players in pick up games. Nobody who really followed MU hoops was at all surprised when he starred from day one his sophomore year.
Don't disagree at all with this either
He didn't start on his AAU team IIRC.
Quote from: MuMark on September 03, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
He didn't start on his AAU team IIRC.
He was the 5th best player in IL his senior year, playing for the Illinois Warriors.
http://www.basketballworld.faithweb.com/2000/
Quote from: JockBio 'http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Wade/Wade_bio.html'
Among those who took notice was Larry Butler, coach of the AAU Illinois Warriors. Already the state's top amateur squad, the Warriors boasted a roster that included future pro and college stars Darius Miles, T.J. Cummings, Matt Lottich, and a good buddy of Dwyane's, Odartey Blankson. Butler wanted a player to complement Miles, and Dwyane was the perfect fit. No only could he could run the break, he could also start it with a rebound and finish it with a twisting lay-up. (Dwyane didn't start dunking until his senior year at Richards.)
Playing with the Warriors earned Dwyane the one thing he truly needed: exposure. To this point, college scouts barely knew he existed. Now they were checking their programs to find out about the rock-solid swingman. His biggest moments came during the Nike Peach Jam. Though never the dominant player of the floor, Dwyane displayed a knack for the game, especially in crunch time, that savvy evaluators couldn't miss.
Heading into his senior year, Dwyane was becoming a hot commodity among midwest schools. Marquette, DePaul and Illinois State were all interested, and he responded to the extra attention with a marvelous season. Dwyane went for a double-double almost every game, with averages of 27 points and 11 rebounds. Richards surged to a mark of 24-5.
Quote from: MuMark on September 03, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
He didn't start on his AAU team IIRC.
I recall that also. My further recollection is that Dwyane missed a lot of time with that AAU team due to the turmoil in his home life.
Quote from: The Equalizer on September 03, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
Three other things to keep in mind.
First, Wade signed with MU long before anyone knew that he would be Prop 48. The comments on the board here were hopeful he'd pull a qualifying score on the ACT right up to the last test date following his senior season. There were no league rules that would have restricted signing an academically risky player--the rules prohibited that player enrolling. In November of his senior year, nobody knew whether he'd qualify as a frosh or not.
Second, there were no such league restrictions on the likes of Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, etc. Even if UNC or Duke chose to pass due to academic risk that Wade would fail to meet league minimums, Huggins and Pitino could still have gone after Wade. Yet, they passed as well.
Third, even AFTER Wade's senior season, he was only voted 7th for Illinois Mr. Basketball. And he improved his standing significantly during his senior year.
Yup, and thanks for the additional information. It doesn't fit the meme that people want to believe here, however, so I'm sure you'll be attacked for mentioning it.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 03, 2014, 11:25:14 AM
He was the 5th best player in IL his senior year, playing for the Illinois Warriors.
http://www.basketballworld.faithweb.com/2000/
According to Frank Rusnak, yes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2014, 11:11:28 PM
Did you mean to say in 2017 we will be "in" NC....Charlotte, Greensboro, maybe Raleigh? Beautiful part of the country...can't imagine NC meant anything else.
TAMU...Sharma is a STONE cold lock for the Badgers.
Mark Miller just predicted Sharma to BC.......
Quote from: MuMark on September 11, 2014, 10:41:42 PM
Mark Miller just predicted Sharma to BC.......
Can't get em all
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 11, 2014, 10:45:34 PM
Can't get em all
We were never going to get him ....I was referring to Chico's " stone cold lock" prediction for Bucky.....
Time will tell but if Mark Miller is predicting BC then I can guarantee you that Sharma isn't a lock for UW......although he certainly could still end up there.
Quote from: brandx on September 03, 2014, 12:02:57 AM
You're right. I read the chart wrong. RSCI had him listed as #101 for most of the services (anyone not in the top 100 was listed at #101). They had one service listing him at #55.
But it may have been the worst HS class ever. Other than Wade, the best players were Zac Randolph, Luke Ridnour, Caron Butler, Gerald Wallace, and Jameer Nelson.
Wade was good, but he was no Liberto Tetimandingar (#77)
Quote from: MuMark on September 11, 2014, 10:41:42 PM
Mark Miller just predicted Sharma to BC.......
:)
Now we need Diamond Stone to commit to Uconn or Maryland and that would be a :) :)
Sharma to Stanford.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 22, 2014, 01:14:58 PM
Sharma to Stanford.
Guess he couldn't meet UW-Madison's academic requirements. ::)
Wow, I'm impressed how right on TAMU's original post on Aug 20 proved to be. Right down to Dillard. (Even TAMU couldn't have predicted the Levin scholarship opening up, but he had Davon on the list after Henry and Haanif.
Quote from: MuMark on September 11, 2014, 10:55:40 PM
We were never going to get him ....I was referring to Chico's " stone cold lock" prediction for Bucky.....
Time will tell but if Mark Miller is predicting BC then I can guarantee you that Sharma isn't a lock for UW......although he certainly could still end up there.
UW was tired of waiting, said that last month. They got their commitment. Glad to be in the same camp with Mark Miller...wrong on this one ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2014, 11:11:28 PM
Did you mean to say in 2017 we will be "in" NC....Charlotte, Greensboro, maybe Raleigh? Beautiful part of the country...can't imagine NC meant anything else.
TAMU...Sharma is a STONE cold lock for the Badgers.
Let's see if we can get Dillard and have TAMU look really good!
Correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has Stone going to Wisconsin. Stone came to Marquette Madness
the pass few years. Except this year. He was somewhere else. Connecticut, Wisconsin, Maryland and
Oklahoma State are mentioned. I understand Stone has been to many MU games. Stone's dad will be a big
mention in his decision. He is far from being a top offensive player. Only tops in HS. MU is not mentioned
but I understand he is a closely knit friends with Noskowiak and Ellenson as they were on some top AAU
teams together the past few years. Plus he has played with Duane Wilson for four years. One would think
he knows quite a bit about MU. If he has ideas as a one-and-doner, then it will be UConn and Kevin Ollie. If not, Wisconsin, MU and Maryland. Remember, we are not mentioned and Wojo has been pretty quiet. So
Stone has to check out these Universities. (Wisconsin, Maryland and Oklahoma State) He would not get
lots of playing time at Kentucky because of the present roster. Just a hunch---MU is on his quiet list.
Like I said correct if I am wrong or dreaming.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on October 22, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has Stone going to Wisconsin. Stone came to Marquette Madness
the pass few years. Except this year. He was somewhere else. Connecticut, Wisconsin, Maryland and
Oklahoma State are mentioned. I understand Stone has been to many MU games. Stone's dad will be a big
mention in his decision. He is far from being a top offensive player. Only tops in HS. MU is not mentioned
but I understand he is a closely knit friends with Noskowiak and Ellenson as they were on some top AAU
teams together the past few years. Plus he has played with Duane Wilson for four years. One would think
he knows quite a bit about MU. If he has ideas as a one-and-doner, then it will be UConn and Kevin Ollie. If not, Wisconsin, MU and Maryland. Remember, we are not mentioned and Wojo has been pretty quiet. So
Stone has to check out these Universities. (Wisconsin, Maryland and Oklahoma State) He would not get
lots of playing time at Kentucky because of the present roster. Just a hunch---MU is on his quiet list.
Like I said correct if I am wrong or dreaming.
Unfortunately wrong
Anything about WOJO putting a few walk-ons on this year's squad. If so, who are they.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on October 22, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has Stone going to Wisconsin. Stone came to Marquette Madness
the pass few years. Except this year. He was somewhere else. Connecticut, Wisconsin, Maryland and
Oklahoma State are mentioned. I understand Stone has been to many MU games. Stone's dad will be a big
mention in his decision. He is far from being a top offensive player. Only tops in HS. MU is not mentioned
but I understand he is a closely knit friends with Noskowiak and Ellenson as they were on some top AAU
teams together the past few years. Plus he has played with Duane Wilson for four years. One would think
he knows quite a bit about MU. If he has ideas as a one-and-doner, then it will be UConn and Kevin Ollie. If not, Wisconsin, MU and Maryland. Remember, we are not mentioned and Wojo has been pretty quiet. So
Stone has to check out these Universities. (Wisconsin, Maryland and Oklahoma State) He would not get
lots of playing time at Kentucky because of the present roster. Just a hunch---MU is on his quiet list.
Like I said correct if I am wrong or dreaming.
Don't know if you're dreaming or not, but lots of bad (i.e., incorrect) information in the above.
The Stone ship has sailed. And I can live with that. MU has Ellenson coming in...and that is huge. A legit 6'10" five-star stud. I'll take that and be quite happy.
Not worried about where Stone ends up. Just don't care. Go play for the Vadgers. Don't play for them. Whatever. Much more excited about MU's 2015 class. An awesome addition of talent.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on October 22, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has Stone going to Wisconsin. Stone came to Marquette Madness
the pass few years. Except this year. He was somewhere else. Connecticut, Wisconsin, Maryland and
Oklahoma State are mentioned. I understand Stone has been to many MU games. Stone's dad will be a big
mention in his decision. He is far from being a top offensive player. Only tops in HS. MU is not mentioned
but I understand he is a closely knit friends with Noskowiak and Ellenson as they were on some top AAU
teams together the past few years. Plus he has played with Duane Wilson for four years. One would think
he knows quite a bit about MU. If he has ideas as a one-and-doner, then it will be UConn and Kevin Ollie. If not, Wisconsin, MU and Maryland. Remember, we are not mentioned and Wojo has been pretty quiet. So
Stone has to check out these Universities. (Wisconsin, Maryland and Oklahoma State) He would not get
lots of playing time at Kentucky because of the present roster. Just a hunch---MU is on his quiet list.
Like I said correct if I am wrong or dreaming.
I can only interpret this as a hilarious parody of delusional fan logic.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on October 22, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has Stone going to Wisconsin. Stone came to Marquette Madness
the pass few years. Except this year. He was somewhere else. Connecticut, Wisconsin, Maryland and
Oklahoma State are mentioned. I understand Stone has been to many MU games. Stone's dad will be a big
mention in his decision. He is far from being a top offensive player. Only tops in HS. MU is not mentioned
but I understand he is a closely knit friends with Noskowiak and Ellenson as they were on some top AAU
teams together the past few years. Plus he has played with Duane Wilson for four years. One would think
he knows quite a bit about MU. If he has ideas as a one-and-doner, then it will be UConn and Kevin Ollie. If not, Wisconsin, MU and Maryland. Remember, we are not mentioned and Wojo has been pretty quiet. So
Stone has to check out these Universities. (Wisconsin, Maryland and Oklahoma State) He would not get
lots of playing time at Kentucky because of the present roster. Just a hunch---MU is on his quiet list.
Like I said correct if I am wrong or dreaming.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Jerry,
He ain't comin'.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 23, 2014, 10:05:37 AM
Jerry,
He ain't comin'.
But Looney could show up any minute.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 22, 2014, 04:15:44 PM
Let's see if we can get Dillard and have TAMU look really good!
No information that Marquette has any official visitors coming in the next 3 weeks and none are here this weekend that I've heard, so I'm going to assume Wojo is banking it for the spring.