I'm probably not as old as a lot of people on this board, but I was wondering why there is so much hate for Notre Dame. I personally don't like them, as I don't like any college hoops team besides MU. I have noticed lots of ND put downs and snide remarks during my time on the board and would like to know where it came about. I can understand hating ND football due to their superiority complex and having their games broadcast on NBC every week. I get that their tv contract pays them very lucratively and allows for them to remain "independent." I also think this gives them the snobby vibe and rightly so. I don't get the hatred for their basketball program...well, why we hate them any more than any of our other rivals. Their program is mediocre 90% of the time and basically irrelevant. I got much more amped to beat teams like UCONN and Syracuse than I ever did about beating ND. Is it because of how old the rivalry is? Encounters of snobby ND alums? Something else? Fill me in please!
Why can't you breed a pig with an ND alum?
There are somethings even a pig won't do.
you know how you can tell an ND alum? you don't have to-he'll tell you.
You're alone on an island with Adolph Hitler, Osama Bin Laden and Digger Phelps.
You have a gun with two bullets. Who do you shoot?
Digger. Twice.
Quote from: augoman on August 09, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
you know how you can tell an ND alum? you don't have to-he'll tell you.
THIS.
For more...
http://www.notrelame.com/jokes/
What's the difference between the Titanic and a Notre Dame cheerleader?
Only 2,000 people went down on the Titanic
Because they see a rivalry that doesn't exist
Quote from: ThatDude on August 10, 2014, 01:19:21 AM
Because they see a rivalry that doesn't exist
It sure does in basketball.
WE have a pitiful record against them.
Blame early MU bkb and the "lost" years of the 80s, both with 12 straight-game losing streaks.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/notre_dame
My Notre Dame hate has little to do with MU affiliation. All started when I took my official visit there.
Wouldn't have anythin' to do with undergraduate admissions and the lack thereof, hey?
All summarized by the great Al McGuire:
A Notre Dame grad will pick his nose to make sure you see his class ring.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 10, 2014, 08:12:18 AM
Wouldn't have anythin' to do with undergraduate admissions and the lack thereof, hey?
Nope, accepted.
I hate Notre Dame because of their fans. And I have since I was about 12 years old. It has ZERO to do with Marquette.
I, too, was accepted at Notre Dame, as well as Michigan. On both campus visits, the experience was such an immersion in elitist douchebaggery that I knew that I could not attend either place.
Let's be honest; Tower and PTM are in the minority, especially these days. Many more MU students not accepted (for example, me) or did not bother applying. Add to that 0-6 v. ND in bball in my 4 years (yes, mid-80's) and the general d-baggery referred to in the thread, and that is your answer.
Coulda gone too. No thanks.
I work with a number of ND grads, find them all to be nice, pleasant people. Maybe the west coast versions are different.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 10, 2014, 10:41:47 AM
I work with a number of ND grads, find them all to be nice, pleasant people. Maybe the west coast versions are different.
West coast is a different fan. Growing up in Chicagoland, your typical ND fan is a mouthbreathing ginger from the south side.
Boston has a unique obsession with Notre Dame. You can't go very far in boston without seeing a fighting Irishman tattoo. Irish gangsters have always worn ND apparel, and it's almost like a uniform for them. I completely understand the obsession in Boston though because its by far the most Irish American part of the country, and people(including myself) are obsessed with all things irish. Also, ND is an old school catholic institution with a lot of history and tradition. Those things are highly valued in these parts. Most people, especially old people are under the impression that ND is far better academically then it is. Don't get me wrong it is a very good school but many people put it right up there with Harvard and MIT and that's just ignorant.
however, I am not a big ND fan but I also don't dislike them. But I do respect their football program a lot more than schools like Bama, LSU and all those southern schools
And for whatever reason NOTRE DAME ALUMS ARE THE MOST ARROGANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
Quote from: PTM on August 10, 2014, 11:15:29 AM
West coast is a different fan. Growing up in Chicagoland, your typical ND fan is a mouthbreathing ginger from the south side.
Yep. Got that right.
It's the 'I'm superior' attitude that gets me.
Of course it's a great school, just not the school for folks like me.
Notre Dame doesn't even see Marquette as a rival lol
Quote from: keefe on August 10, 2014, 12:59:55 AM
What's the difference between the Titanic and a Notre Dame cheerleader?
Only 2,000 people went down on the Titanic
This joke doesn't quite make sense. Logically, according to its premise, ND cheerleaders receive an inordinate amount of oral gratification. Since jokes of this nature are meant to imply (infer?) the looseness of morals of said cheerleaders, and although the receipt of oral gratification by such a large number of people would indeed demonstrate very low moral character, I feel that if the setup were structured in such a way that the cheerleaders were themselves providing the oral gratification, the resultant joke would be significantly more scalding and thus funnier. After all, the ridiculed participants in the joke could engage in the alleged behavior and remain "technical" virgins.
As you can tell, I am in a teleconference that is far too boring for a Monday morning.
With me it started with one of my friends brothers. He wasn't accepted into ND as a freshman, finally as a junior he was.
He was a 1st class douche when he was accepted into ND, and that was it. As a MU freshman, I learned many more reasons to hate.
Quote from: CTWarrior on August 11, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
This joke doesn't quite make sense. Logically, according to its premise, ND cheerleaders receive an inordinate amount of oral gratification. Since jokes of this nature are meant to imply (infer?) the looseness of morals of said cheerleaders, and although the receipt of oral gratification by such a large number of people would indeed demonstrate very low moral character, I feel that if the setup were structured in such a way that the cheerleaders were themselves providing the oral gratification, the resultant joke would be significantly more scalding and thus funnier. After all, the ridiculed participants in the joke could engage in the alleged behavior and remain "technical" virgins.
As you can tell, I am in a teleconference that is far too boring for a Monday morning.
You're looking too closely, CT. It's the same as 'when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor...'
Al vs. Digger. That's enough.
Quote from: keefe on August 11, 2014, 01:48:36 PM
You're looking too closely, CT. It's the same as 'when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor...'
Yeah, I know. I was bored during a conference call, hopped on to MUScoop, read the thread and decided to start typing while semi-paying attention and that pile of nonsense spewed forth.
Quote from: ThatDude on August 11, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
Notre Dame doesn't even see Marquette as a rival lol
I have a cousin who graduated from ND in 2010, and was surprised to learn they viewed Marquette as their chief basketball rival. That will change with them moving to the ACC, but you don't exactly have to go back to Al vs. Digger to find evidence of actual rivalry. Besides, ND is one those schools hated by pretty much everyone who isn't ND. Kinda like how most non-Dukies hate Duke.
Separately, Digger sang the 7th inning stretch during Saturday's Cubs game. Wasn't happy to see him, but I forgot Jamie Moyer is his son-in-law.
Never even applied to ND because I knew I would never accept. Hated them since I have been paying attention to sports
1.) "Notre Dame Saturday" on NBC. It's not just Saturday, you see, it's "Notre Dame Saturday." Not to be confused with "Fish Friday,"
Takeout Tuesday" nor "Prince Spaghetti Wednesday." It seems NBC went out of its way to annoy.
2.) As a Chicago resident, the Chicago media cover Notre Dame way more than Marquette, even though Marquette has more fans in the area (I've done the research) and almost always has a better team. This annoys me down to my bones. I remember about seven years ago when Marquette made the NCAA tourney and ND got into the NIT. The Chicago Tribune had a preview story on ND and NOTHING on Marquette. About two years ago, when ND actually made the tourney and played at the United Center, the Sun-Times completely ignored a preview for Marquette's tourney game (not one word) yet devoted nearly two pages previewing Notre Dame.
3.) People who root for Notre Dame yet who never went there. Rooting for Notre Dame is like rooting for McDonald's — it's the default, the no-brainer. I have a good friend who falls into this category. Really going out on a limb there...
It's not just MU that hates Notre Dame... we're just following the national trend. Like the Cowboys to someone who didn't grow up in Texas, Notre Dame elicits detest from anyone who didn't attend college in South Bend.
There are plenty of fanbases from other schools that hate Notre Dame exponentially more than MU's fanbase. Start with the major football programs, and work your way from there.
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There are plenty of fanbases from other schools that hate Notre Dame exponentially more than MU's fanbase.
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I know all other schools dislike Notre Dame, but I bet you we're in the Top 10, even without football.
The lower concourse of the Ogilvie Transportation Center (formerly the Northwestern Train Station) in Chicago has 3 or 4 dozen of those lightbox-style signs scattered all over - around all the walls, coming down from the ceiling, hung on the support pillars, etc. Last week I got off my train to discover that every single one of those signs had been leased by the Notre Dame School of Business. The entire concourse was covered in slogans like "Powerful Network - Legendary Brand", or "Leading at Every Level" - all in Notre Dame Colors.
Yesterday, the electricity had gone out in the building except for emergency lighting, and as a result, all of those obnoxious signs were dark. I don't know exactly what happened, but I like to think it was the handiwork of some Marquette electrical engineers.
Random story: went to an ND football game when I was 20 with my Marquette roommate who is of Mexican decent, was tailgating drinking out of solo cups with my cousin who was a senior at ND. Undercover cops came up to my roommate only, took him aside, arrested him for underage drinking in a sea of under aged drinkers and he was "banned from ND campus for life". Pretty shady.
Quote from: LAMUfan on August 13, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
Random story: went to an ND football game when I was 20 with my Marquette roommate who is of Mexican decent, was tailgating drinking out of solo cups with my cousin who was a senior at ND. Undercover cops came up to my roommate only, took him aside, arrested him for underage drinking in a sea of under aged drinkers and he was "banned from ND campus for life". Pretty shady.
Every UW football fan would be thrown out of ND Stadium.
Quote from: LAMUfan on August 13, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
Random story: went to an ND football game when I was 20 with my Marquette roommate who is of Mexican decent, was tailgating drinking out of solo cups with my cousin who was a senior at ND. Undercover cops came up to my roommate only, took him aside, arrested him for underage drinking in a sea of under aged drinkers and he was "banned from ND campus for life". Pretty shady.
Is ND the most pretentious institution in academia, or are there worse?
I'm asking because I don't know.
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on August 12, 2014, 03:59:17 PM
I know all other schools dislike Notre Dame, but I bet you we're in the Top 10, even without football.
MU is in the Top 10 for a lot of things. Nothing to be ashamed of there.
Quote from: LAMUfan on August 13, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
Random story: went to an ND football game when I was 20 with my Marquette roommate who is of Mexican decent, was tailgating drinking out of solo cups with my cousin who was a senior at ND. Undercover cops came up to my roommate only, took him aside, arrested him for underage drinking in a sea of under aged drinkers and he was "banned from ND campus for life". Pretty shady.
Did he get that in writing? Sounds like something that would be suitable for framing.
Quote from: LAMUfan on August 13, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
Random story: went to an ND football game when I was 20 with my Marquette roommate who is of Mexican decent, was tailgating drinking out of solo cups with my cousin who was a senior at ND. Undercover cops came up to my roommate only, took him aside, arrested him for underage drinking in a sea of under aged drinkers and he was "banned from ND campus for life". Pretty shady.
Random response: my son's roommate at ND is a 19 year old first generation American of Mexican descent from blue collar Indiana town with a full ride; he drank a fair amount his freshman year but has managed to avoid being banned so far.
I need a therapist for my lifelong ND feelings.
Love (as a child);
then hate (as an MU student dating a SMC girl for the first year and a half before finding Mrs. Legs and into the early 90s);
then ambivalence (most of the 90's, when MU basketball was not a big part of my life and ND was not my radar screen);
then hate (immersion into MU bball beginning in the late 90's);
then a mixture of all the above (can't stand the ND alums who I don't know well who are of the "nice to meet you, did I tell you that I went to ND?" variety; but most of the ND alums I know well are great people, dedicated to the Church and service etc.);
and now with a kid there.
And I'm hoping my daughter chooses MU (I think I'll be banned from the board if she chooses SLU or Dayton, both of which are possibilities).
Quote from: warriorchick on August 13, 2014, 04:10:05 PM
Did he get that in writing? Sounds like something that would be suitable for framing.
He did. Actually had to go back to Indiana for a court date or else there was going to be an arrest warrant out for him in the state. No actual legal penalties, but got the ban in writing from a Judge. Not sure what he did with it.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on August 14, 2014, 08:31:57 AM
Random response: my son's roommate at ND is a 19 year old first generation American of Mexican descent from blue collar Indiana town with a full ride; he drank a fair amount his freshman year but has managed to avoid being banned so far.
I need a therapist for my lifelong ND feelings.
Love (as a child);
then hate (as an MU student dating a SMC girl for the first year and a half before finding Mrs. Legs and into the early 90s);
then ambivalence (most of the 90's, when MU basketball was not a big part of my life and ND was not my radar screen);
then hate (immersion into MU bball beginning in the late 90's);
then a mixture of all the above (can't stand the ND alums who I don't know well who are of the "nice to meet you, did I tell you that I went to ND?" variety; but most of the ND alums I know well are great people, dedicated to the Church and service etc.);
and now with a kid there.
And I'm hoping my daughter chooses MU (I think I'll be banned from the board if she chooses SLU or Dayton, both of which are possibilities).
Legs, if you need some help with exorcising that demon, let me know. I am highly qualified, having grown up in the SB area. I went to probably 90+% of their home games with my dad for football and basketball growing up. Even had the opportunity to go there. My passionate dis-taste for all things ND is well documented. ;)
Being non-Catholic, I never realized how many Catholics loved Notre Dame football. Especially those from the midwest. I was fairly ambivalent about Notre Dame growing up. I mean, I didn't even really know it was considered a "good school" until I got to MU.
I started my dislike the very first fall I was on campus and watched a good portion of the MU student body go ape-sh*t over Notre Dame football. That really annoyed me. I have (irrationally) disliked them ever since.
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 14, 2014, 10:01:14 AM
Legs, if you need some help with exorcising that demon, let me know. I am highly qualified, having grown up in the SB area. I went to probably 90+% of their home games with my dad for football and basketball growing up. Even had the opportunity to go there. My passionate dis-taste for all things ND is well documented. ;)
Sound like you my be the guy for my intervention, Chili. Maybe a Clockwork Orange like set-up, forcing me to listen to Domers decked in their plaid pants singing the victory march and reminiscing about ... ee gads, that's enough! I declare myself cured!
Told you I was good!
You're welcome.
I'm going to the ND vs Michigan game this year @ND. Might need to call the Guinness book of world records and see if it's the largest gathering of tools ever assembled.
I am excited for it though. 7:30pm kickoff
I generally dislike most schools with football teams. Especially ND and Wisconsin, care way more about football than they do basketball. It's almost unfair when they do well in basketball and Marquette struggles. Basketball is just a distraction between football seasons.
Quote from: swoopem on August 14, 2014, 11:36:29 AM
I'm going to the ND vs Michigan game this year @ND. Might need to call the Guinness book of world records and see if it's the largest gathering of tools ever assembled.
I am excited for it though. 7:30pm kickoff
Especially since it is the last one scheduled for now due to the ND ACC hook-up.