Marquette: Who will bring back the defensive mojo?When Buzz Williams secured a commitment from graduate transfer Trent Lockett in 2012, it appeared to be a match made in heaven. A strong defender with an efficient offensive skill set (think Jimmy Butler) was the quintessential player in Williams' system, and the 13.3 points per game he averaged in his final two seasons at [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://pixel.wp.com/b.gif?host=painttouches.com&blog=28348875&post=11891&subd=painttouches&ref=&feed=1" width="1" height="1" />
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Mayo should benefit from changes in defensive strategy. Buzz's protect the paint defense Asti evolved was not a good fit for Todd as it got him out of position and then trying to recover as the ball went to the wings. Much better as a straight up defender.
I'll be highly shocked if we see anything like Buzz's offense/defense subbing he tried to do with Gardner/Otule last year, with regard to Carlino/Derrick. You don't do that at the PG position.
But yes, I agree Mayo and Burton will play huge roles on the team not just offensively, but defensively as well. IT is these two guys, combined with a greatly reduced role for Derrick..and more Carlino, JJJ, Duane and Dawson that have me bullish on this upcoming season.
I don't expect a Gardner/Otule type switch. I do think there will be a 30/10 split between Carlino and Derek.
I'm excited to see what Burton, Mayo, and Juan can do in a defense focused on creating turnovers and getting fastbreak points. I think they are the three who were held back the most by Buzz' defensive scheme.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 17, 2014, 06:54:32 PM
I don't expect a Gardner/Otule type switch. I do think there will be a 30/10 split between Carlino and Derek.
I'm excited to see what Burton, Mayo, and Juan can do in a defense focused on creating turnovers and getting fastbreak points. I think they are the three who were held back the most by Buzz' defensive scheme.
I believe Buzz held Todd Mayo back a ton...on both sides of the ball...with the way he coached Todd. I'm expecting that Mayo will average 16-18ppg this season, with 3-4 assists per game...given consistent, non-choppy blocks of playing time amounting to 30-33 minutes per game. I see Burton averaging 16-18ppg as well, 5 rebounds. Very bullish on the team because of those two guys.
Will be really interesting to see what happens with Derrick - Wojo has no allegiance to the kid as a result of recruiting him - yet Wojo certainly will see and find Derrick to be a high character, hard working kid, with some limitations - and in that regard Wojo may see some of himself in Derrick. I'm hoping (unless Derrick shows a ton of improvement early on), that Derrick's role is a 10 minute per game sub. If he truly earns minutes beyond that, then fine..so long as he is having to be defended everywhere on the floor, and teams can't just pack it in.
The only person that held Todd Mayo back was Todd Mayo.
That being said, I hope he has matured and can develop into what you think he can become because MU would benefit greatly if he becomes THE guy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 17, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
The only person that held Todd Mayo back was Todd Mayo.
That being said, I hope he has matured and can develop into what you think he can become because MU would benefit greatly if he becomes THE guy.
The maturity thing should be huge for him. He's 23 years old now and has been around college basketball for quite a while. I'm not sure if Buzz and Todd always saw eye to eye and I'm sure that it played a role in his sometimes diasappointing play. I agree Todd is probably responsible for any shortcomings he may have had thus far, but with maturity should come the ability/responsibility to be able to get past things he hasn't before. I hope Wojo pushes him hard and Todd is up to the calling.
Quote from: Ners on July 17, 2014, 07:12:57 PM
I believe Buzz held Todd Mayo back a ton...on both sides of the ball...with the way he coached Todd. I'm expecting that Mayo will average 16-18ppg this season, with 3-4 assists per game...given consistent, non-choppy blocks of playing time amounting to 30-33 minutes per game. I see Burton averaging 16-18ppg as well, 5 rebounds. Very bullish on the team because of those two guys.
Will be really interesting to see what happens with Derrick - Wojo has no allegiance to the kid as a result of recruiting him - yet Wojo certainly will see and find Derrick to be a high character, hard working kid, with some limitations - and in that regard Wojo may see some of himself in Derrick. I'm hoping (unless Derrick shows a ton of improvement early on), that Derrick's role is a 10 minute per game sub. If he truly earns minutes beyond that, then fine..so long as he is having to be defended everywhere on the floor, and teams can't just pack it in.
Derrick has had shining moments, and he should be allowed to ride those out and rack up the minutes when they come. However, when he's not in the flow and playing poorly he should just play a back-up role like you stated. That's one thing I think Buzz failed to do with many of his teams over the years; let players play who are feeling it. It doesn't matter who had the best week of practice. Sure that kid should get the start but if they put in 5 lousy minutes and a sub comes in and gives you 2-3 great minutes, you don't yank him right away just to get back to your premeditated line-up you thought you were going to be playing most of the game.
Derrick will bring the defensive mojo, because he was an elite gamechanger according to Buzz. And the Sultan says that Buzz is very intelligent and a great coach. So it must be Derrick from those lofty recommendations.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 17, 2014, 08:44:49 PM
Derrick will bring the defensive mojo, because he was an elite gamechanger according to Buzz. And the Sultan says that Buzz is very intelligent and a great coach. So it must be Derrick from those lofty recommendations.
Still feeding Buzz' ego by talking about him constantly huh?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 17, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
The only person that held Todd Mayo back was Todd Mayo.
That being said, I hope he has matured and can develop into what you think he can become because MU would benefit greatly if he becomes THE guy.
Todd may have been late for a practice last year, but he has been kind of a role model for the last year and one half or more. Sorry, but you are wrong. Yeah, he had issues earlier. But, not recently.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 17, 2014, 08:56:06 PM
Todd may have been late for a practice last year, but he has been kind of a role model for the last year and one half or more. Sorry, but you are wrong. Yeah, he had issues earlier. But, not recently.
Well if by "recently" you mean the last six to nine months then sure. But Todd was engaging in many of the same behaviors that got him in trouble in the first place both after he returned from suspension in Spring 2013 as well as Fall 2013.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 17, 2014, 08:59:39 PM
Well if by "recently" you mean the last six to nine months then sure. But Todd was engaging in many of the same behaviors that got him in trouble in the first place both after he returned from suspension in Spring 2013 as well as Fall 2013.
My only question with regard to player conduct/discipline under Buzz, was, how did Vander basically go without any type of punishment - with regard to playing time, etc. - for punching another student in the face? Todd's had issues, but none have involved the law.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 17, 2014, 08:59:39 PM
Well if by "recently" you mean the last six to nine months then sure. But Todd was engaging in many of the same behaviors that got him in trouble in the first place both after he returned from suspension in Spring 2013 as well as Fall 2013.
As I said, it's been a lot longer than 6 to 9 months. Buzz was too much on the Jake front last year. Todd as been solid since the academic issue in his soph season. As to the late practice, Buzz just went overboard as he did with Junior and DJO. Look at his VT experience already.
Quote from: Ners on July 17, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
My only question with regard to player conduct/discipline under Buzz, was, how did Vander basically go without any type of punishment - with regard to playing time, etc. - for punching another student in the face? Todd's had issues, but none have involved the law.
I was actually present for that situation. I think Vander "got off easy" because the kid who got punched absolutely deserved it. Drunk frat boy who thought it would be funny to call Vander something you don't call someone of African american decent.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 17, 2014, 09:44:40 PM
I was actually present for that situation. I think Vander "got off easy" because the kid who got punched absolutely deserved it. Drunk frat boy who thought it would be funny to call Vander something you don't call someone of African american decent.
Wow.....that's a different version of the story I heard....you sure there was a racial slur used? I've never heard that in having heard many people's accounts of the incident. Wasn't he called Vander Orange? Personally, I think regardless of circumstances, punching a kid and getting an assault/battery charge that lands in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...is a little worse than a kid being late to practice a few times...struggling academically, etc.
Mayo went to 5 different high schools for God's sakes - can't imagine what his upbringing was prior to high school either. Academics can be a much greater struggle for one human being than another...and ultimately Todd paid the price by virtue of the NCAA rules whereby he had to sit out for half a year. Don't think additional punishment by Buzz was really necessary.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 17, 2014, 08:46:39 PM
Still feeding Buzz' ego by talking about him constantly huh?
No, I am just the counterpoint to you and the Sultan blabbering and defending him
ALL the time.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 18, 2014, 07:17:19 AM
No, I am just the counterpoint to you and the Sultan blabbering and defending him ALL the time.
I don't see any blabbering or defending in this thread. With as huge of an ego as Buzz has, I'm sure he would love to know that you are still so upset with him that you feel the need to bring him up constantly. Trust me, you really want to get back at Buzz, act like he never existed.
Quote from: Ners on July 18, 2014, 07:07:44 AM
Wow.....that's a different version of the story I heard....you sure there was a racial slur used? I've never heard that in having heard many people's accounts of the incident. Wasn't he called Vander Orange?
Vander Orange was said. It wasn't the only thing said. It wasn't so much a slur as much as it was something you shouldn't say. The Vander Orange comment was used along the lines of saying he wasn't "black enough" so he might as well be Vander Orange. Drunk frat boy also felt the need to get in Vander's face. I'm not saying it's right. But I probably would have at least shoved the guy if I was in Vander's situation.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 17, 2014, 09:44:40 PM
I was actually present for that situation. I think Vander "got off easy" because the kid who got punched absolutely deserved it. Drunk frat boy who thought it would be funny to call Vander something you don't call someone of African american decent.
Drunk frat boy? He was the bouncer at Murphy's and wouldn't let Vander (underage) in. I know the guy and yeah he probably deserved it, but Vander thought he'd get royal treatment for being on the bball squad.
Classic he said, he said, hey?
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
Drunk frat boy? He was the bouncer at Murphy's and wouldn't let Vander (underage) in. I know the guy and yeah he probably deserved it, but Vander thought he'd get royal treatment for being on the bball squad.
And I heard it took place at qdoba. Wow the game of telephone is interesting.
Quote from: Ners on July 17, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
I'll be highly shocked if we see anything like Buzz's offense/defense subbing he tried to do with Gardner/Otule last year, with regard to Carlino/Derrick. You don't do that at the PG position.
You might for a possession or two late in the game, though.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 18, 2014, 09:11:39 AM
And I heard it took place at qdoba. Wow the game of telephone is interesting.
Which is across the street from Murphy's. Vander did a "if you're so tough meet me over here" (qudoba parking lot) the bouncer followed and got what he deserved.
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
Drunk frat boy? He was the bouncer at Murphy's and wouldn't let Vander (underage) in. I know the guy and yeah he probably deserved it, but Vander thought he'd get royal treatment for being on the bball squad.
In fairness, I didn't know if he was drunk. I just assumed because I knew him because he was always drunk and he was in frat. I know it happened outside Qdoba like Piper said. And I know frat boy was mouthing off to Vander. I don't know how the confrontation started. I was walking him from Real Chili in time to see the fireworks
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2014, 09:32:06 AM
In fairness, I didn't know if he was drunk. I just assumed because I knew him because he was always drunk and he was in frat. I know it happened outside Qdoba like Piper said. And I know frat boy was mouthing off to Vander. I don't know how the confrontation started. I was walking him from Real Chili in time to see the fireworks
Wrong again. He was not in a frat. For a guy who was calling people out on facts a little bit ago you are badly mistaken here.
So, the possibly drunk, non-frat boy, bouncer who was doing his job but got mouthy will not be bringing the defensive mojo back this year?
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
Which is across the street from Murphy's. Vander did a "if you're so tough meet me over here" (qudoba parking lot) the bouncer followed and got what he deserved.
Ok come on I know where qdoba and Murphy's are in relation to eachother I spent five years three of which were going from Murphs to doba. All I was pointing out that as an ex bouncer (brothers) it wouldn't have made any sense for a him to leave his post especially for a confrontation. Also heard from less credible info that vander was hitting on the guys GF which is what set it al off. Not as credible as the guys friend who told me where it happened.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on July 18, 2014, 09:12:33 AM
You might for a possession or two late in the game, though.
Definitely agree it can be a good strategy given time/score/time out situations of a game...toward the end to try to play some offense/defense. The extent Buzz tried doing it last year mid-game was unlike anything I'd ever seen...way, way, way too micro-managed/overcoached - breaks any kind of rhythm a player needs to get into to perform at their best.
Quote from: Ners on July 18, 2014, 11:40:48 AM
Definitely agree it can be a good strategy given time/score/time out situations of a game...toward the end to try to play some offense/defense. The extent Buzz tried doing it last year mid-game was unlike anything I'd ever seen...way, way, way too micro-managed/overcoached - breaks any kind of rhythm a player needs to get into to perform at their best.
Yeah, platooning doesn't work. That why football teams change personnel (both on offense and defense - already a platoon!) on virtually every play.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Yeah, platooning doesn't work. That why football teams change personnel (both on offense and defense - already a platoon!) on virtually every play.
Lenny - Come on. Football and basketball are two totally different games. Such a comparison is invalid. Have you ever seen a successful basketball coach sub as frantically as Buzz did last year in the middle of games? Seriously? I've never seen anything like it. Recall both Derrick and Dawson had the "pleasure" of playing with 9, and 10 different guys respectively in a 3:30 stretch. That is nuts.
Buzz was terrible last year. Great his first 5. Why he refused to try a different starting backcourt, we'll never know - he tried every other \ change and tinker under the sun except that one and none of them worked. I'll never understand why a coach is willing to play 4 on 5 on the offensive end, with the "missing guy" his PG.
I can guarantee you ALL of the guys on the team, other than Derrick and Jake, were totally annoyed with his coaching last year. These are all guys who are used to getting max minutes in high school...and all of a sudden they are getting yanked in and out for 30 second to 1:30 stints. Better off to just designate who the 3 guys are going to be at the end of the bench that don't get PT other than in a blow out. Pick a core rotation of 8-9 guys where everyone knows their role and go with it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Yeah, platooning doesn't work. That why football teams change personnel (both on offense and defense - already a platoon!) on virtually every play.
Baseball teams don't platoon, it must not be good. Hockey teams on the other hand are always changing lines, I think it's a hell of a strategy. It'd be interesting to see what Floyd Mayweather and Team Money could do with a platoon during a match.
Quote from: Stronghold on July 18, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
Baseball teams don't platoon, it must not be good. Hockey teams on the other hand are always changing lines, I think it's a hell of a strategy. It'd be interesting to see what Floyd Mayweather and Team Money could do with a platoon during a match.
Are you saying switching boxers for different rounds based on style and need for points? or are you saying switch styles from Offensive to defensive? Boxing is extremely rhythmic (we make great dancers) it's extremely hard in the lower weight classes to switch styles from defensive to offensive which is why you rarely see defensive fighters down on points actually come back to score a knockdown or knockout in the last two rounds. Heavy weights though it's a different story.
Though this whole talk of platooning does have me curious what you guys would think if basketball subbed like hockey & lacrosse do.
I mean I think it'd suddenly be a very different game and probably recruiting style and make for a more physical faster game.
Quote from: Ners on July 18, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
I can guarantee you ALL of the guys on the team, other than Derrick and Jake, were totally annoyed with his coaching last year. These are all guys who are used to getting max minutes in high school...and all of a sudden they are getting yanked in and out for 30 second to 1:30 stints.
You can GUARANTEE nothing - you weren't there. One thing I can GUARANTEE from what Reverand Dawson shared with the board. YOU held Derrick Wilson in much lower esteem than did John D and his father and YOU were much more annoyed with how minutes were shared than they were. Think about that. As for guys being used to getting max minutes, that's true for even the walk ons on D1 teams. You move up, most people have to adjust.
I think had Buzz had an agenda last season, and I think it had something to do with his future restrictions on recruiting. I think he was trying to send a message saying, "Fine, these are the results when you get, when I don't get to recruit the players I want." It's the only logical reason I can think of where, despite having one of the 5 worst back-courts in the country, statistically, you can justify sitting Burton, Taylor, Johnson, Dawson and Mayo for long stretches.
And nothing against Jake and/or Derrick. But the numbers didn't lie.
Alas, new season, new hope. I'm looking forward to next year.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on July 18, 2014, 01:52:39 PM
I think had Buzz had an agenda last season, and I think it had something to do with his future restrictions on recruiting. I think he was trying to send a message saying, "Fine, these are the results when you get, when I don't get to recruit the players I want." It's the only logical reason I can think of where, despite having one of the 5 worst back-courts in the country, statistically, you can justify sitting Burton, Taylor, Johnson, Dawson and Mayo for long stretches.
And nothing against Jake and/or Derrick. But the numbers didn't lie.
Alas, new season, new hope. I'm looking forward to next year.
Somebody gets it...Bingo. Buzz's ego had gotten so out of control he felt he could power play Wild and Cords...and ultimately...we see what the result of that has been. I probably owe Larry Williams an apology - though I still feel you don't call out/criticize the biggest asset in your department to the local newspaper.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2014, 01:10:48 PM
You can GUARANTEE nothing - you weren't there. One thing I can GUARANTEE from what Reverand Dawson shared with the board. YOU held Derrick Wilson in much lower esteem than did John D and his father and YOU were much more annoyed with how minutes were shared than they were. Think about that. As for guys being used to getting max minutes, that's true for even the walk ons on D1 teams. You move up, most people have to adjust.
Right...I wasn't there...but I know from having played the game...you hate it if your coach yanks you in and out with no rhyme or reason, or after 1 mistake...and would especially hate it if you see the guy playing in front of you floundering game after game. All players hate that. Nobody on the team had a clear cut/consistent role - other than Derrick and Jake. All of that inconsistency leads to frustration. Everyone knows Steve Taylor and JJJ bags were all but packed. Mayo? Not really a lot of sense in him leaving at his age..to have to sit out a year elsewhere. Derrick and Juan? Same deal for them. Burton and Dawson are great attitude kids - exceedingly good attitude kids - yet they at least got some* PT last year...JJJ on the other hand?? Come on...as a 5-star recruit, why would he not leave if Buzz was still around.
As for Reverend Dawson's comments here...think about it....do you really think for a second that one player's parent is going to be critical of another parent's kid in a public forum like this? I sure don't think you are that naive Lenny. That said, I'm sure John and Derrick have a great relationship and there is a lot of respect John and his family have for Derrick.....yet all that said, it certainly doesn't mean you don't think you/your kid should be getting more PT...at least that's how I'd feel if it were my kid in Dawson's position last year. It's one thing if the guy in front of you is playing well....but when he's scuffling along at 43% from the FT line, and has made exactly 2, 3point shots through the end of his junior year...that production is so abysmal....it would drive any parent nuts if your kid were behind them.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
I don't see any blabbering or defending in this thread. With as huge of an ego as Buzz has, I'm sure he would love to know that you are still so upset with him that you feel the need to bring him up constantly. Trust me, you really want to get back at Buzz, act like he never existed.
Yeah Eagle--as if you do not go out of your way to puff him up and defend the douche. 3...2...1...
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 17, 2014, 09:32:15 PM
Todd as been solid since the academic issue in his soph season.
That is absolutely NOT true. At all.
Quote from: Ners on July 17, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
My only question with regard to player conduct/discipline under Buzz, was, how did Vander basically go without any type of punishment - with regard to playing time, etc. - for punching another student in the face? Todd's had issues, but none have involved the law.
Not commenting on the stories you are reading here, but Vander's issues were almost all during his first semester at MU.