Got this today and wanted to share with all, if it is already out there then ignore
Wow, I cannot believe it has been 90 days!
On April 1, I said during my press conference that I had never had a prouder day in my basketball career than the day I was named the head men's basketball coach at Marquette University. Needless to say, I had amazingly high expectations, which have been exceeded during my first 90 days. I am more excited now than ever.
I would like to thank everyone who has reached out with support, well wishes, and generosity. Lindsay, Jack, Charlie and I have been overwhelmed by the support and enthusiasm of the entire Marquette community. We feel so fortunate to be a part of this great university.
Marquette is a very unique place. It's a place where a young person can get the best of all worlds. First, the university's academic reputation speaks for itself. We offer the chance for a world-class education, both inside and outside the classroom. The opportunity for personal and spiritual growth and development is encouraged at every turn at Marquette. Finally, the young men in our program have a chance to receive an elite basketball experience with our conference affiliation. Our fans, resources and the rich history of the Marquette program have created a nationally recognized brand that has stood the test of time.
I am very proud of all we have been able to accomplish over my first 90 days as the leader of this Marquette program. My initial priority when I started the job was the young men currently in our program. I wanted to build our future relationships with them, establish a culture of high standards, and share my vison for the program. Our players have embraced the change and have made great strides, both on the court and in the classroom.
In addition to the time spent with the current players, we have spent an incredible amount of time recruiting and trying to attract the same great kids to our program. I think you will be excited by the athletes we are adding to the Marquette program. They are certainly thrilled to have the honor to proudly wear the Marquette jersey.
I am particularly gratified with the staff I have been able to hire. I believe I have a staff that measures up with any college basketball program. They are all great mentors with a passion and drive to help the young men in our program reach their potential. My staff can draw on years of success and experience as former elite players and from high-level coaching. A quick look at the numbers reveal the excellence our staff has been involved with during our collective college basketball careers:
•16 Conference Championships
•15 Conference Tournament Championships
•40 NCAA Tournament Appearances
•3 National Championships
I am thrilled this staff will be developing our current and future teams and I cannot wait for you to meet them.
As you know, the Al McGuire Center has been a great home for our basketball program for over a decade. It's a true honor to walk in and be greeted by the statue of Coach McGuire every morning. One of my goals as the leader of this program is to make sure that Coach's building is always up to the standards he would want in order for us to compete with other elite programs. We have begun improvements to the building in the form of a new-and-improved locker room for our players. This is just the start of reestablishing the "Al" as one of the premier training facilities in the country. It's such an exciting project.
I have also enjoyed the opportunity to learn about Milwaukee and how we can use our platform to be a positive force in the community. Whether it be Polish Fest, the Milwaukee Urban League Black and White Ball, or the opening ceremony of Summerfest, everyone is so excited about Marquette basketball. My personal favorite was the trip the team and I took to the Children's Hospital of Wisconsin to visit the brave and inspiring kids. I can see why the Children's Hospital was so close to Coach McGuire's heart and I look forward to continuing that special relationship.
As you can see, much has been accomplished in a short period of time. For those of you I've had the opportunity to meet, thank you for your time and hospitality. For those of you I've yet to encounter, I look forward to meeting you at the Marquette Athletics Backyard BBQ that will take place today.
The Marquette men's basketball program sits on an impressive foundation and is in possession of a tremendous legacy. We are looking forward to not only maintaining that standard, but taking the next steps in building the team into one of the nation's elite. Your continued support will be critical in our efforts and appreciated by everyone associated with MU.
I hope you and your family have a great rest of the summer. I cannot thank the Marquette community enough for the warm welcome you have given to my family.
WE ARE MARQUETTE!
Steve Wojciechowski
Head Coach
Marquette University Men's Basketball
Nice e-mail. But isn't it the Al McGuire Court, not Center?
Quote from: willie warrior on July 01, 2014, 03:21:57 PM
Nice e-mail. But isn't it the Al McGuire Court, not Center?
Unless he was referring to the Al!
This dude gets it. Great hire!
Quote from: willie warrior on July 01, 2014, 03:21:57 PM
Nice e-mail. But isn't it the Al McGuire Court, not Center?
There's no Al McGuire statue you at the BMO Harris Bradly Center......
That email had me reaching for my wallet to donate.
This guy has got it, and it's nice that he is on our side.
Cords does it again. Yes, that is getting ahead of it, as we need to wait 5 years to judge Wojo. But I am excited.
I didn't think we'd have an upgrade once Buzz left and we didn't get Shaka, but I have changed my mind. Wojo very well could be an upgrade not only in winning, but in having a program that fits Marquette.
This email contains all of the correct talking points and program messages, thus leaving us with a positive impression of both the coach and the program.
I commend the folks in the PR dept who penned this email. They executed this play to perfection.
Can't wait until the season starts so we can see how the coach directs the basketball team, rather than the PR team.
MUGOOSE just got goose bumps...
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on July 01, 2014, 03:16:43 PM
Wow, I cannot believe it has been 90 days!
Crap. He's another number counter.
Quote from: mugoose on July 01, 2014, 03:37:07 PM
MUGOOSE just got goose bumps...
Get the switchblade oiled up for net cuttin' down, hey?
And Wojo wants in on Polish Fest!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 01, 2014, 03:23:29 PM
This dude gets it. Great hire!
Around 2020 we should have a good idea. Lots of guys have said those words, some very close to exactly those words. As fans, certainly we eat it all up, but every fan base says those immortal words that "he gets it" in the honeymoon period around most newly hired coaches.
The good news, he isn't coming in with a lot of flaky reports like the previous guy in terms of weirdness, etc. So he's already ahead of the curve.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on July 01, 2014, 03:16:43 PM
We are looking forward to not only maintaining that standard, but taking the next steps in building the team into one of the nation's elite.
How dare he say we aren't an elite program!
I did like the email -- it IS refreshing to have a normal communicator as HC again.
Its tone, however, indicates that it probably will be followed by a mailing that contains a #9 reply envelope.
You're right, we gotta wait a while on this hire. But, I like the shift in "culture." How much bread do ya think has to be donated to get in tight on Wojo's email list?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
The good news, he isn't coming in with a lot of flaky reports in terms of weirdness, etc. So he's already ahead of the curve.
But IU hired Crean anyway
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
Around 2020 we should have a good idea. Lots of guys have said those words, some very close to exactly those words. As fans, certainly we eat it all up, but every fan base says those immortal words that "he gets it" in the honeymoon period around most newly hired coaches.
The good news, he isn't coming in with a lot of flaky reports like the previous guy in terms of weirdness, etc. So he's already ahead of the curve.
Chicos, I'm all in on Wojo. He is staying at MU for decades. He is different... :)
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 01, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
And Wojo wants in on Polish Fest!
that's already passed for this year, wonder if he took the family
Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2014, 04:11:55 PM
But IU hired Crean anyway
Thank God, it would be coming up on 40 years since the last FF if we had not.
Hot damn this Kool-Aid tastes awesome!! Love this guy. Now just hoping he can coach. ;D
Some Scoopers out there seem a bit jaded. It wasn't required that Wojo send this out. It's nice that he's sharing some of his enthusiasm and vision for the program, rather than using quirkiness to draw attention to himself. I'm much more excited for next season and beyond than I would've been if Brent was still around.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 01, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
And Wojo wants in on Polish Fest!
Kielbasa on the training table--kielbasa for everybody!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Thank God, it would be coming up on 40 years since the last FF if we had not.
Sorry Chicos--if you want to give Crean credit for getting us there, then he gets credit for the ass kicking we took from Kansas.
I'm sorry but this man's failure to acknowledge MU Scoop as foundational bed rock for our beloved Warrior Basketball Program is an egregious oversight that shant be overlooked. His unwillingness to cite Scoop's pivotal role in his adjustment to head coaching responsibilities suggests certain insecurities.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 01, 2014, 05:43:06 PM
Sorry Chicos--if you want to give Crean credit for getting us there, then he gets credit for the ass kicking we took from Kansas.
That's fine. You can't lose the Super Bowl unless you get there. You can't lose the Final Four unless you get there. You can't get on the medal stand unless you compete for a medal.
Players play, coaches coach. Sometimes shots don't go in, often the best teams don't win. That day, we didn't play well and the best team won. I'm just glad we aren't going on our 38th year since the Final Four. I'm also glad we are playing in the Big East, also glad we have the McGuire Center and have some really great NBA alums as a result.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
That's fine. You can't lose the Super Bowl unless you get there. You can't lose the Final Four unless you get there. You can't get on the medal stand unless you compete for a medal.
Players play, coaches coach. Sometimes shots don't go in, often the best teams don't win. That day, we didn't play well and the best team won. I'm just glad we aren't going on our 38th year since the Final Four. I'm also glad we are playing in the Big East, also glad we have the McGuire Center and have some really great NBA alums as a result.
Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn. I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.
Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure? If not, why? Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure. Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not? What's the difference between the two?
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn. I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.
Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure? If not, why? Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure. Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not? What's the difference between the two?
Why even go there?...let it go yourself.:)
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn. I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.
Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure? If not, why? Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure. Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not? What's the difference between the two?
1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread
2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches). There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.
3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc. Though I could be wrong.
4) I didn't even bother going to the 5th post started here about the top 50 coaches, did you bother to give them the "he's been gone 6 years" speech? :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread
2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches). There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.
3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc. Though I could be wrong.
Uhh...okay.
But...Buzz has been ripped pretty good here since his departure...the panic room in his house, his weirdness, him looking like Curly, etc. But let's face it Chicos - Man Tanning is just not very honorable - especially not for a grown ass man like Tom Crean!!
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
Chicos - Let it go man....
I think my irony meter just blew up.
Quote from: keefe on July 01, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
I'm sorry but this man's failure to acknowledge MU Scoop as foundational bed rock for our beloved Warrior Basketball Program is an egregious oversight that shant be overlooked. His unwillingness to cite Scoop's pivotal role in his adjustment to head coaching responsibilities suggests certain insecurities.
We must then present him with the muscle that is MUScoop. A fat check collected from the pennies and dollars Scoopers can donate.
Or a Scoop designed shirt personalized with his name on it.
Go with the shirt.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
his wife in any context
I believe that Mrs. Williams' curious habit of scouring the interwebs and media for unflattering comments about her spouse was scrutinized here on Scoop and found to be ludicrous if not grotesque. Ms. Joanie never exhibited such ridiculous behavior; she is guilty merely of being both a Harbaugh and bearing an unfortunate resemblance to the coach of the Niners.
Sins of Commission and Omission. Between the two I find Corey Williams' cynical manipulation of legitimate discourse to be the more pathetic, and in some ways, the more dangerous. Thank God that psychotic couple packed up the Conestoga and went back south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Crean sucks
Quote from: keefe on July 01, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
I'm sorry but this man's failure to acknowledge MU Scoop as foundational bed rock for our beloved Warrior Basketball Program is an egregious oversight that shant be overlooked. His unwillingness to cite Scoop's pivotal role in his adjustment to head coaching responsibilities suggests certain insecurities.
Yet again you make me crack up next to my bewildered betrothed.
Well done.
Well my daughter and I got to meet Coach Wojo tonight. Seems like a god guy based on all of 45 secs. I was able to take her photo with the coach, Steve Novak and Travis Diener. I have a feeling the photo with the coach from last year's BBQ in the MU collage in my basement will be replaced sooner rather than later.
Best part of the night might have been the ride home retelling my daughter about the 2003 Tournament and Novak's game against UCONN. Good times!
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 06:35:35 PM
Uhh...okay.
But...Buzz has been ripped pretty good here since his departure...the panic room in his house, his weirdness, him looking like Curly, etc. But let's face it Chicos - Man Tanning is just not very honorable - especially not for a grown ass man like Tom Crean!!
I have no idea if he is tanning or not, certainly a lot of people love to make that claim. Was Barry Alvarez? Has this ever been proven? There's been so much bullshyte info over the years out there that one wonders what is actually true.
At any rate, the bigger question for me is whether folks will bring up Buzz for the next 6 years, because they certainly can't let it go here. Will he be ripped on for the next 6 years, often with stuff that is plain imaginary? Guess we'll find out. Certainly anyone that dares to correct the record will be called a defender as a result.
In the end, at least I have a Final Four memory, a Big East conference invite, a new practice center, etc to help me sleep at night as a result of that regime...not a hint of Front Page treachery or major squirminess going on. Looking forward to Wojo doing the same.
I like that he pushed to upgrade the locker room at the Al. It is a little thing but it means a lot to the team. Excellent letter and he is very much on focus.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 06:43:57 PM
I think my irony meter just blew up.
A very par for the course offering from you Sultan. The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years.
And btw...you know what I find ironic? That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2 years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn. And in the end, that proved ridiculous. Buzz revealed his true colors/character. Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard. You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread
2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches). There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.
3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc. Though I could be wrong.
4) I didn't even bother going to the 5th post started here about the top 50 coaches, did you bother to give them the "he's been gone 6 years" speech? :D
At a certain point don't you have to just accept that all the "correcting" isn't actually doing anything except dragging out threads and getting them off topic but isn't actually stopping anybody from making crean jokes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
Will he be ripped on for the next 6 years, often with stuff that is plain imaginary?
I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.
As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn. I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.
Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure? If not, why? Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure. Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not? What's the difference between the two?
It's a simple answer. Chicos worked for Crean. Like his previous boss, he is an insufferable name dropper. The better Crean looks in the annals of MU history, and the better Crean does at IU, the more weight his name carries. That way, Chicos can maximize the name when he shoehorns it into discussion, rather than being met with the reaction of, "you worked for THAT a-hole?" or, more likely, "Who?"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Thank God, it would be coming up on 40 years since the last FF if we had not.
Crapshoot.
I was initially skeptical of the Wojo hire, but he gets an A for the first 90 days. Won the presser, got almost immediate buy-in from the current roster, kept a key 2014 recruit, kept a key 2015 commit in the fold, added two nice transfer pieces, and got a commitment from a rising skilled big. And he has obviously said all the right things to date.
On top of that he gets bonus points for how the Jabari to Milwaukee thing played out (even though that was obviously out of his control). It's pretty clear he has a great relationship with a guy the caliber of which MU can only currently dream of landing. That can 1.) Be used as part of a recruiting pitch to other 5* players and 2.) Is a positive sign that he can build the necessary relationships to land a player in that tier.
If he can take this momentum of the first 90 days and translate it to the recruiting trail and the hardwood this season and beyond, we got ourselves a great one. Excited to see how the next 90 days play out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
That's fine. You can't lose the Super Bowl unless you get there. You can't lose the Final Four unless you get there. You can't get on the medal stand unless you compete for a medal.
Players play, coaches coach. Sometimes shots don't go in, often the best teams don't win. That day, we didn't play well and the best team won. I'm just glad we aren't going on our 38th year since the Final Four. I'm also glad we are playing in the Big East, also glad we have the McGuire Center and have some really great NBA alums as a result.
And we can all be thankful for Al putting MU on the college BB map. And for O'niell and then Crean for re-directing MU. And for Buzz finding the door.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 02, 2014, 05:27:54 AM
I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.
As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?
In another 2 years, Crean will be pressing Harbaugh's Walmart dozens of Khaki pants for a living. Hell, rumor is that he is already doing it.
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 11:17:24 PM
A very par for the course offering from you Sultan. The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years.
And btw...you know what I find ironic? That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2 years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn. And in the end, that proved ridiculous. Buzz revealed his true colors/character. Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard. You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 02, 2014, 05:27:54 AM
I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.
As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?
+1000. Throw in his routine bullying of anyone he perceived as his inferior (secretaries, waitresses, etc.), the constant name dropping, blow by handshakes, not showing up to postgame shows after losses, throwing everyone but himself under the bus in pressers after losses, out of control rants at stunned opposing coaches after what should have been a big win, embarrassing tweets (including a doozy to what is assumed to be a teenage boy) and scores of other things. No need to make stuff up - the guy's a prick with ears.
I just hope that BigDaddy84 had Wojo's permission to post his email....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
I have no idea if he is tanning or not, certainly a lot of people love to make that claim. Was Barry Alvarez? Has this ever been proven?
LOL. Proven? Proven, as does anyone have pictures of him in sweats and maybe a fake mustache sneaking out of an LA Tanning Salon?
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 11:17:24 PM
A very par for the course offering from you Sultan. The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years.
And btw...you know what I find ironic? That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2 years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn. And in the end, that proved ridiculous. Buzz revealed his true colors/character. Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard. You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.
No what I haze you on is either you are "all in" or "all out." Early on Buzz could do no wrong in your eyes. Last year he could do nothing right.
The truth is that he isn't as good as you initially thought, and he isn't as bad as you think he was last year. He's a good coach, with a number of faults. Just like Crean and 99% of the other good coaches out there. Wojo will probably be the same.
I don't get so high...and I don't get so low.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on July 02, 2014, 06:27:27 AM
It's a simple answer. Chicos worked for Crean. Like his previous boss, he is an insufferable name dropper. The better Crean looks in the annals of MU history, and the better Crean does at IU, the more weight his name carries. That way, Chicos can maximize the name when he shoehorns it into discussion, rather than being met with the reaction of, "you worked for THAT a-hole?" or, more likely, "Who?"
This. I don't know whether they're natural soul mates or if Crean's boorish behavior (name dropping, ok to be a prick to underlings, etc.) just rubbed off on Chico but they are peas in a pod.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on July 02, 2014, 06:27:27 AM
It's a simple answer. Chicos worked for Crean. Like his previous boss, he is an insufferable name dropper. The better Crean looks in the annals of MU history, and the better Crean does at IU, the more weight his name carries. That way, Chicos can maximize the name when he shoehorns it into discussion, rather than being met with the reaction of, "you worked for THAT a-hole?" or, more likely, "Who?"
BINGO!!!!!!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 09:50:25 AM
This. I don't know whether they're natural soul mates or if Crean's boorish behavior (name dropping, ok to be a prick to underlings, etc.) just rubbed off on Chico but they are peas in a pod.
BINGO!!!!
its unfortunate when someones insecurities are so obvious
How long until Wojo gets a sandwich named after him at Koppa's?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 09:50:25 AM
This. I don't know whether they're natural soul mates or if Crean's boorish behavior (name dropping, ok to be a prick to underlings, etc.) just rubbed off on Chico but they are peas in a pod.
Ok to be a prick to underlings? Please, show me where I ever said that...ever. I condemn it, I don't do it as a boss. Is this like when you decided whom my hero is, now you get to say things I didn't say? No, I don't think it's ok, but I have certainly acknowledged that many people have done it and get away with it...big difference.
Boorish behavior...nah, I'm actually quite a nice fellow, but I give what I get. You treat me boorishly, I do the same. Name dropping...eh...doesn't bother me what you think about it. I use it in context of real world experiences. Don't like it, put me on ignore. Really simple.
Incidentally, I worked with Crean for only a few months until my dad's sudden passing. I could not care less about his overall success as it has nothing to do with me as I'm not in the coaching profession or a player. Certainly hope he does well at IU since I'm an alum, but if he doesn't then another coach will get a shot. His success has no bearing on my life at all. It's always good to read the fascinations of Jujuman...you and he should create a clinic. RiverRat can be your secretary.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
Boorish behavior...nah, I'm actually quite a nice fellow, but I give what I get. You treat me boorishly, I do the same. Name dropping...eh...doesn't bother me what you think about it. I use it in context of real world experiences. Don't like it, put me on ignore. Really simple.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
Ok to be a prick to underlings? Please, show me where I ever said that...ever. I condemn it, I don't do it as a boss. Is this like when you decided whom my hero is, now you get to say things I didn't say? No, I don't think it's ok, but I have certainly acknowledged that many people have done it and get away with it...big difference.
Boorish behavior...nah, I'm actually quite a nice fellow, but I give what I get. You treat me boorishly, I do the same.
Multiple times you've lectured me and the board on how a great guy can be a prick at work, that it's even necessary, so no, you don't condemn it. On many occasions you've defended it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
Name dropping...eh...doesn't bother me what you think about it. I use it in context of real world experiences. Don't like it, put me on ignore. Really simple.
It's not just what I think about it. Obvious to anyone paying attention. You don't name drop or cite personal experience to give context, you shoe horn it (or sledgehammer it) into the conversation to scream look at me.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 02, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
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Yup. Seriously. I'm much more of an eye for an eye person.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 04:22:13 PM
Yup. Seriously. I'm much more of an eye for an eye person.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Multiple times you've lectured me and the board on how a great guy can be a prick at work, that it's even necessary, so no, you don't condemn it. On many occasions you've defended it.
You weren't paying attention then, as usual. So let me help you out again, as usual. And as usual, you won't apologize for being wrong. I said they acted that way to get their jobs done, but NOWHERE did I condone it. NOWHERE. I've also said there are many ways to skin a cat. What I have found in my life is there are people that act the way he and Buzz did, not well liked by the staff. The fear of God drives results, but over time it grates on people and you lose them. It still gets results, usually short term and is successful in getting those results, the question is whether that works long term. So can that action be successful and get results? Absolutely. Does acknowledging that fact mean condoning it? Please.
It's akin to being a players coach or not. Both styles can work, both styles have their shortcomings. There is also the consideration of who is judging the actions. Many people hated Bobby Knight, you hate Tom Crean. Yet many of Crean's players swear by him. Are they idiots? Are they dumb? Are you morally superior to them? Do you know best? Or, is the more logical answer that some people react differently to that treatment than others? You can act as a coach to a player and players get it, but when you act that way with the travel secretary she's not going to warm up to it...nor should she.
You have to know who you are managing to and the best managers do not use a one size fits all approach.What still warms my heart, Lenny, is your love for the prickish behavior of Buzz and K.O., that's all good, but you know where to draw that line. Classic.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 02, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
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Anyone that uses Simon whatever his name.....you lose the man card for a day.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
It's not just what I think about it. Obvious to anyone paying attention. You don't name drop or cite personal experience to give context, you shoe horn it (or sledgehammer it) into the conversation to scream look at me.
To each their own. Again, put me on ignore. We've had this conversation many many times. Don't like it, ignore it. I have plenty of people on ignore here and I have no doubt plenty of people have me on ignore. Why do you make it so hard on yourself? This isn't hard, it truly isn't.
Otherwise, no it is for personal experiences. When someone talks about Merritt Paulson, well I used to work with him and can shed some light on it. When someone talks of TC, well I used to work for him and Deane, I can shed some light on it. Same for Bobby Knight, etc. A unique perspective that very few have here. Don't like it, don't read it. Really don't like it, put me on ignore. Then you don't have to worry.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 04:34:30 PM
Anyone that uses Simon whatever his name.....you lose the man card for a day.
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Quote from: WarriorCode on July 02, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
How long until Wojo gets a sandwich named after him at Koppa's?
*Ahem*
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
It's not just what I think about it. Obvious to anyone paying attention. You don't name drop or cite personal experience to give context, you shoe horn it (or sledgehammer it) into the conversation to scream look at me.
LOL
Agreed
Running jokes dont develop when things are "used in context". Delusion