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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: RushmoreAcademy on June 26, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
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Fellow Bulls fans, what do you think?
I don't mind the pick. He is ready to contribute and they are in win now mode.
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Desperate for a shooter. He can shoot it. I like the pick.
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If they move him from PF to SF I'll be ok with it. Not happy not mad but if they try to insert him at PF I think it'll be a huge disaster and I'll feel it was a waste.
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Lebron loves the pick....
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Lebron loves the pick....
Butler will be the one guarding Lebron.
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Really, really dislike.
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Really, really dislike.
That was my first response. But what's done is done so I'm trying to figure out a way it could work
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Really, really dislike.
Why? Is he not "athletic" enough? I can understand not loving the pick but that much negativity doesn't make any sense to me.
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Why? Is he not "athletic" enough? I can understand not loving the pick but that much negativity doesn't make any sense to me.
2 first round picks for a guy that is projected to be Wally Sczerbiak? That's a terrible move. They could've gotten two solid role players at 16 and 19.
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Dougie is Mike Dunleavy, circa 2002.
Creighton had to run screens for him.
Will the Bulls do so? Probably if Dougie can run the pick n roll...
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2 first round picks for a guy that is projected to be Wally Sczerbiak? That's a terrible move. They could've gotten two solid role players at 16 and 19.
They don't need role players. They needed a shooter badly and got arguably the best one in the draft. Plus they wanted to clear cap space and this also makes Dunleavy expendable. It has to be looked at in the context of what they want to do the rest of the offseason. It might not work but the plan is clear.
Edit: You can argue a shooter is a role player but most consider McDermott a scorer.
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Butler will be the one guarding Lebron.
LeBron going to Chicago now because of the pick...he loves so much
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2 first round picks for a guy that is projected to be Wally Sczerbiak? That's a terrible move. They could've gotten two solid role players at 16 and 19.
The Bulls were never taking two picks this draft.
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Why? Is he not "athletic" enough? I can understand not loving the pick but that much negativity doesn't make any sense to me.
No, because if you asked me who my least favorite player in all of NCAA basketball last year I would have answered McDermott without hesitation.
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2 first round picks for a guy that is projected to be Wally Sczerbiak? That's a terrible move. They could've gotten two solid role players at 16 and 19.
If you get a guy who is going to average almost 15 a game (as Wally did), it is a very good trade. Not to mention that his strength coincides with the Bulls biggest weakness - someone to put the ball in the basket. Not to mention that he & Jabari may be as NBA ready for day 1 as anyone drafted yesterday.
Wally was a #6 overall pick. Any team would trade two mid-round picks for a #6 pick.
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I think it's a great pick. Bulls were shooting challenged and as a previous poster said they weren't putting two rookies in uniform. So they used their available ammo and moved up as best as they could for a player that will have an impact.
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Not to mention that if you look at the last 20 years, the #9 pick has a better chance to be an outstanding player than the #2 pick or the #3 pick or the #2 AND #3 picks combined.
Edit: Don't know what I was thinking - as he was #11 not #9
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The Bulls were never taking two picks this draft.
Correct, this was about clearing cap space to sign a big name free agent (Melo? LeBron?). So, we cannot "grade" the Bulls draft until we see who they get in free agency as that was part of their calculus last night.
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Correct, this was about clearing cap space to sign a big name free agent (Melo? LeBron?). So, we cannot "grade" the Bulls draft until we see who they get in free agency as that was part of their calculus last night.
Which is why in recent NBA history, grading draft picks the next day is meaningless.
One must wait at least 3-5 years.
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2 first round picks for a guy that is projected to be Wally Sczerbiak? That's a terrible move. They could've gotten two solid role players at 16 and 19.
Why does everybody dismiss Sczerbiak as some colossal bust? He was a very solid player...I believe he even made an All Star team. The Bulls would be ecstatic with that. We all love Wes Matthews, but he's never made an all star team
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Why does everybody dismiss Sczerbiak as some colossal bust? He was a very solid player...I believe he even made an All Star team. The Bulls would be ecstatic with that. We all love Wes Matthews, but he's never made an all star team
When Wes is unleashed in the NBA, he will make the All Star team
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McDermott is a much more skilled basketball player than Sczerbiak. Every movement McDermott makes on offense has purpose. Watch his cuts, screens, angles he takes off the ball. That part of his game impesses me more than his shooting, he doesn't waste motion, almost clinical in his movement.
Can he guard? Is he athletic enough to play 20 plus mins a night in the NBA? We'll see. He's bigger than most people realize, intelligent rebounder.
Bulls prefer 4 year kids who are well coached. Thibs kind of player eventually.
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No, because if you asked me who my least favorite player in all of NCAA basketball last year I would have answered McDermott without hesitation.
Why? Because he scored too much and shot the ball too well?
I don't think McDermott is going to be an NBA star, but I would think he could be at least as effective at his role as an older Ray Allen is or as Kyle Korver and Mike Miller have been.
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McDermott is a much more skilled basketball player than Sczerbiak.
I am a Bulls fan and love that they got McDemott, but I disagree with this. Wally Sczerbiak was much more mobile than McDermott and every bit the shooter. McDermott is better in the post, but to suggest anybody is much more skilled than Sczerbiak is a bit of a stretch. Again, Sczerbiak was an all star...most guys in the NBA would sell their first born to make an all star team. He and Garnett had the timberwolves on the verge of the NBA Finals.
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If I was to compare McDermott to anyone, I would say Chuck Person. And that's worth a #6 pick.
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If I was to compare McDermott to anyone, I would say Chuck Person. And that's worth a #6 pick.
While it's a very,very good comparison, Person wasn't traditional, thus no one will agree.
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worst case steve novak. Best case, Dunleavy jr.
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While it's a very,very good comparison, Person wasn't traditional, thus no one will agree.
In this entire thread, and others on other boards, they only compare him to other white basketball players...in a league that is 80% black.
It isn't *that* hard to come up with a comparison.
Best case Glenn Robinson...good case Chuck Person...worst case Rod Higgins.
All three were slowish forwards who could really put the ball in the basket, but none quite lived up to their potential because they just didn't have the speed. All three stuck around for awhile because they could score...and McDermott will do that too.
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I am a Bulls fan and love that they got McDemott, but I disagree with this. Wally Sczerbiak was much more mobile than McDermott and every bit the shooter. McDermott is better in the post, but to suggest anybody is much more skilled than Sczerbiak is a bit of a stretch. Again, Sczerbiak was an all star...most guys in the NBA would sell their first born to make an all star team. He and Garnett had the timberwolves on the verge of the NBA Finals.
I went back and looked up Sczerbiak's stats and some highlights, and agree now that I was wrong. Sczerbiak is more athletic clearly, and more skilled than McDermott.
I've loved McDermott's game for a while, I should have said his mindset is what stands out versus NBA comparables. You have to work at shooting to become an elite shooter, but you have to work just as hard to learn to space off the ball, set an effective screen, and put yourself in a position to be effective without the ball, and McDermott excels at those things.
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In this entire thread, and others on other boards, they only compare him to other white basketball players...in a league that is 80% black.
It isn't *that* hard to come up with a comparison.
Best case Glenn Robinson...good case Chuck Person...worst case Rod Higgins.
All three were slowish forwards who could really put the ball in the basket, but none quite lived up to their potential because they just didn't have the speed. All three stuck around for awhile because they could score...and McDermott will do that too.
While we usually agree, I can't fathom a universe Doug had the career of the Big Dog. 11 year career, averaging 21 and 6.
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While we usually agree, I can't fathom a universe Doug had the career of the Big Dog. 11 year career, averaging 21 and 6.
That's why I said "best case." I don't think he'll do that either, but if he *is* that good, that is who he'll look like.
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In this entire thread, and others on other boards, they only compare him to other white basketball players...in a league that is 80% black.
It isn't *that* hard to come up with a comparison.
Best case Glenn Robinson...good case Chuck Person...worst case Rod Higgins.
All three were slowish forwards who could really put the ball in the basket, but none quite lived up to their potential because they just didn't have the speed. All three stuck around for awhile because they could score...and McDermott will do that too.
Agree with every word of this. I especially like the Chuck Person comparison, though I'm thinking McDermott can be a better shooter.
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That's why I said "best case." I don't think he'll do that either, but if he *is* that good, that is who he'll look like.
Agree to disagree on his ceiling.
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While we usually agree, I can't fathom a universe Doug had the career of the Big Dog. 11 year career, averaging 21 and 6.
Agree.
Also don't see the Person comparison at all. All shooters aren't the same!!
Person couldn't snag a rebound to save his life - that won't be the case with McDermott. Dougie also sees the floor much better.
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McDermott is nothing like Chuck Peraon. Person fell in love with the three and for all intents and purposes became a specialist (even nicknamed himself "The Rifleman"). Maybe that happens to McD, but I wouldnt compare their games at this point. Without looking up numbers, I think McDermott is a lot bigger. Person may have been listed at 6'7" (I have no idea), but he was about 6'4".
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McDermott is nothing like Chuck Peraon. Person fell in love with the three and for all intents and purposes became a specialist (even nicknamed himself "The Rifleman").
Yes...at the end of his career. Not at the beginning.
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Agree.
Also don't see the Person comparison at all. All shooters aren't the same!!
Person couldn't snag a rebound to save his life - that won't be the case with McDermott. Dougie also sees the floor much better.
Person averaged 8.3 rebounds as a rookie. I'd be stunned if McDermott is anywhere close to that. Person averaged 5 over his career, but only averaged that many once in his last 7 seasons, as he became a specialist and his playing time dipped.
During his first 6 seasons, all with the Pacers, he averaged 6.3 boards. Not Bill Russell, but not shabby for somebody who "couldn't snag a rebound to save his life."
In college, Person averaged 7.5 rebounds -- the exact same as McDermott.
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Worst case, Adam Morrison.
That would be a...HEART BREAK CITY!...for Bulls fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbRaRc9nxIw
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Whatever... Nevermind
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Person averaged 8.3 rebounds as a rookie. I'd be stunned if McDermott is anywhere close to that. Person averaged 5 over his career, but only averaged that many once in his last 7 seasons, as he became a specialist and his playing time dipped.
During his first 6 seasons, all with the Pacers, he averaged 6.3 boards. Not Bill Russell, but not shabby for somebody who "couldn't snag a rebound to save his life."
In college, Person averaged 7.5 rebounds -- the exact same as McDermott.
Which is over 20% higher than any other year in his career.
I'd only be stunned if Dougie averages 36 minutes a game as a rookie as Persons did. But on the very, very, very slim chancre that he averages 36 minutes (would take several injuries), he would out-rebound Persons.
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Which is over 20% higher than any other year in his career.
I'd only be stunned if Dougie averages 36 minutes a game as a rookie as Persons did. But on the very, very, very slim chancre that he averages 36 minutes (would take several injuries), he would out-rebound Persons.
OK, x. You and I are in tune on most things, so we're allowed to have the occasional disagreement! Otherwise, people would talk ...
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I think Doug is actually underrated.
He's one of the most polished offensive players I've seen at the college level, AND, his measurables looked good at the camps (so I assume he can learn to be a serviceable defender).
Great shooter, but really excels and moving without the ball and setting guys up before he even catches it. He could be a really good pick-and-roll player because he can shoot, but also because his footwork is so good and efficient.
He's never going to be a #1 option, but he can be a really good NBA player for a lot of years.