Is there a Pro-Am this summer? If so, when does it start?
Yes, starts this weekend. Rosters & schedule will be released tomorrow.
I suggest that you check Jim Ganzer's (IWB) website Brew City Ball for more info. Jim does a great job with this Summer BB League that can be very beneficial to players on the MU roster for their development.
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?7590-Pro-Am (http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?7590-Pro-Am)
Just saw that the ProAm is now NBA sanctioned?? Does this mean NBA players can participate?
Quote from: PaceArrow02 on June 23, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Just saw that the ProAm is now NBA sanctioned?? Does this mean NBA players can participate?
I think that's what it means:
"playing professionally in the USA or over seas"
More info. Some talk that Wes Mathews may be participating. Games are entertaining - recommend that you check them out if you are in Milwaukee.
http://www.iwbsports.com/RegistrationPage4.html (http://www.iwbsports.com/RegistrationPage4.html)
We'll check with Ganzer and see if the pro-am is a done deal.
We have been NBA sanctioned for two years now, need to go through that just like we go through NCAA Certification. Last year was the first year the NBA required it and we did have a few NBA players play last year.
Wes says he is in and says Novak will play with him. I know Wes will play when he can, will believe Novak when I see it!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 23, 2014, 02:53:35 PM
We'll check with Ganzer and see if the pro-am is a done deal.
This is getting "old" and not very funny. Give it up. IWB is a friend to the MU program.
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on June 23, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
This is getting "old" and not very funny. Give it up. IWB is a friend to the MU program.
Give it up?
OK. Done deal!
(Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis!")
Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Give it up?
OK. Done deal!
(Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis!")
Recommend Meme, Haiku or Chuck Norris options for overdone feeble attempts at humor. Lighten up yourself - Done Deal?
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on June 23, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
This is getting "old" and not very funny. Give it up. IWB is a friend to the MU program.
It will never be given up. IWB ended up a joke by some of the national media guys during #shakawatch.
Like it or hate it, IWB will always be the #donedeal guy.
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on June 23, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
This is getting "old" and not very funny. Give it up. IWB is a friend to the MU program.
Sorry - but it is very funny.
Shaka reneged on a verbal agreement - he is the characterless party. MU and some media types got burned. If IWB is tied to that, at least also give him due respect for founding and successfully running an ongoing Summer league that helps develop MU players, as well as others.
Scoops will always be known for 15 page attempts at sophomoric Chuck Norris humor, memes and haikus. It also sometimes provides some knowledgeable info. The constant harping about founders of other MU sites on Scoops seems petty to me. They are on the same side as MU fans. Done deal?
A verbal commitment means nothing and it does not make Shaka classless. Assuming he actually made one something on the other side of the commitment could of changed.
IWB loves MU hoops. He has been a part of every MU board ever and loves it so much that he started his own. He is the ultimate insider, in ways that no one on this board is. He got burned by Shaka. He wasn't alone. He is still a class act, a lover of MU hoops, and the sponsor of a really nice basketball Pro-Am. Yup, it is easy to drop that punch line on him. But ultimately, it says more about scoopers than it does about him.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
IWB loves MU hoops. He has been a part of every MU board ever and loves it so much that he started his own. He is the ultimate insider, in ways that no one on this board is. He got burned by Shaka. He wasn't alone. He is still a class act, a lover of MU hoops, and the sponsor of a really nice basketball Pro-Am. Yup, it is easy to drop that punch line on him. But ultimately, it says more about scoopers than it does about him.
Yup, and he is not even an alum. He is a true friend of the program.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2014, 08:30:37 PM
A verbal commitment means nothing and it does not make Shaka classless. Assuming he actually made one something on the other side of the commitment could of changed.
Sorry, where I come from, "your word is your bond" - that is a verbal/handshake agreement. Shaka is characterless, much more a pantywaist for letting his old lady boss him. Most deals that I have ever done were first verbally confirmed and shook on, and then the lawyers drew up the papers for signature. I highly doubt that MU changed their proposal and diminished it. I would hate to have to do business with you.
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on June 23, 2014, 08:48:25 PM
Sorry, where I come from, "your word is your bond" - that is a verbal/handshake agreement. Shaka is characterless, much more a pantywaist for letting his old lady boss him. Most deals that I have ever done were first verbally confirmed and shook on, and then the lawyers drew up the papers for signature. I highly doubt that MU changed their proposal and diminished it. I would hate to have to do business with you.
Shaka agreed to terms. He never said he accepted them. There was no verbal agreement. IWB jumped the gun. As did many other in the administration.
You can lash out Shaka and try to label him as a "characterless pantywaist" but the real truth is several people jumped to conclusions and got burned. Happens to journalists all the time. You either have to jump in with shaky information to get the scoop or you wait until you have your sources confirmed. It's hard to do both when the subject was being so carefully watched by the national media. IWB and others went for the scoop. Should have waited for solid confirmation.
That being said, IWB is a great friend to the Marquette program. As a non-alum he has done more for Marquette than most alumni do in their entire lives. He is a fantastic insider and I still check his site for updates. The #donedeal label will stick with him for awhile. He made a mistake and his fans will give him crap for it. If he steers into the skid and jokes about the #donedeal incident, it will go away in a matter of months...well maybe not...as the meme tournament proved, scoopers have long memories. But it will certainly die down.
All in all, it some harmless teasing that is that natural result of a journalistic blunder.
#donedeal
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
IWB loves MU hoops. He has been a part of every MU board ever and loves it so much that he started his own. He is the ultimate insider, in ways that no one on this board is. He got burned by Shaka. He wasn't alone. He is still a class act, a lover of MU hoops, and the sponsor of a really nice basketball Pro-Am. Yup, it is easy to drop that punch line on him. But ultimately, it says more about scoopers than it does about him.
IWB's love for Marquette basketball is very apparent in everything he does. I admire what he has been able to accomplish. That being said, Shaka didn't burn him, he burned himself. He jumped the gun trying to be the first to get the word out. It was reckless and now he has to deal with being the brunt of the done deal jokes. I think he probably learned his lesson and won't be so quick to jump the gun next time...at least I hope so for all of our sakes.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 23, 2014, 09:32:25 PM
Shaka agreed to terms. He never said he accepted them. There was no verbal agreement.
He agreed to terms but didn't accept them? He agreed but there was no verbal agreement? Correct me if I'm wrong Batman, but if he agreed, wouldn't there be acceptance on his part? If he agreed but there was no verbal agreement, then there was a written agreement? Either you meant to say something else, or this is the biggest bunch of nonsense since, "It depend on what the meaning of the word 'is" is." OR maybe he agreed to his own terms and didn't accept MU's terms and that's why there was no verbal agreement. That must be it.
Quote from: IWB on June 23, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
Yes, starts this weekend. Rosters & schedule will be released tomorrow.
Where did you hear that??
The arrogant 'I am the source' comment shows he didn't learn from his mistake.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
He is the ultimate insider, in ways that no one on this board is.
Sure. But let's see him fly a low level in a Warthog!
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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on June 23, 2014, 10:22:29 PM
He agreed to terms but didn't accept them? He agreed but there was no verbal agreement? Correct me if I'm wrong Batman, but if he agreed, wouldn't there be acceptance on his part? If he agreed but there was no verbal agreement, then there was a written agreement? Either you meant to say something else, or this is the biggest bunch of nonsense since, "It depend on what the meaning of the word 'is" is." OR maybe he agreed to his own terms and didn't accept MU's terms and that's why there was no verbal agreement. That must be it.
Agreeing on terms and accepting terms are two different things. Marquette made an offer, Shaka said if I decide to leave, these terms will be acceptable. #donedeal. Then Shaka decides he is not going to accept.
Now this oversimplifying it and there were a few more steps. But in the end, it looked like Shaka was going to be the coach, this news got leaked, it was misinterpreted by either IWB or his sources, and the #donedeal scenario occurred. Shaka did nothing wrong.
When do we see rosters and schedule? I checked IWB website(s) and didn't see anything.
Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Give it up?
OK. Done deal!
(Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis!")
"From now on, you can consider me and Uncle Sam the same person."
"Uncle Hulka?"
Heck, I'm an IWB fan - he can take a little ribbing. Journalism, like golf, is not a game of perfect.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 24, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
Heck, I'm an IWB fan - he can take a little ribbing. Journalism, like golf, is not a game of perfect.
+1
I love people getting defensive for other people.
"Why won't you all just leave IWB alone?!"
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 24, 2014, 07:57:50 AM
+1
I love people getting defensive for other people.
"Why won't you all just leave IWB alone?!"
And Brittney Spears too while you're at it...geez ;D
I will say, while I'm excited for the Pro-Am I'm a little disappointed by what appears to be disorganization from the outside. I feel I'm pretty tied in with things and didn't realize the Pro-Am was starting up this weekend and it's 4 days before the tournament and we don't know times or teams for it. It's a free opportunity for me to go watch some basketball so it's not a big complaint, but it just seems odd to me.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 24, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
Heck, I'm an IWB fan - he can take a little ribbing. Journalism, like golf, is not a game of perfect.
Signatures on a page, however, generally are a game of perfect, which is why this will always be attached to his name. This was the Dewey Defeats Truman moment of MU Scoop and will live on in infamy. Don't like it? Don't count your chickens before they hatch, and don't report "Done Deal" before the ink has dried. Or is on a page, as it were.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
IWB loves MU hoops. He has been a part of every MU board ever and loves it so much that he started his own. He is the ultimate insider, in ways that no one on this board is. He got burned by Shaka. He wasn't alone. He is still a class act, a lover of MU hoops, and the sponsor of a really nice basketball Pro-Am. Yup, it is easy to drop that punch line on him. But ultimately, it says more about scoopers than it does about him.
This. He went out on a ledge and got burned. Still very close to the program. Absolutely no need to pile on.
Will the rosters be posted today on Brew City Ball? I don't see anything about the pro am even referenced.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on June 24, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
Heck, I'm an IWB fan - he can take a little ribbing. Journalism, like golf, is not a game of perfect.
Thanks Bob Rotella.
Quote from: frozena pizza on June 24, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
Will the rosters be posted today on Brew City Ball? I don't see anything about the pro am even referenced.
This is my point.
Quote from: mu03eng on June 24, 2014, 08:11:46 AM
I will say, while I'm excited for the Pro-Am I'm a little disappointed by what appears to be disorganization from the outside. I feel I'm pretty tied in with things and didn't realize the Pro-Am was starting up this weekend and it's 4 days before the tournament and we don't know times or teams for it. It's a free opportunity for me to go watch some basketball so it's not a big complaint, but it just seems odd to me.
IWB is herding cats. Getting all those guys in one place is no easy task.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 23, 2014, 08:01:30 PM
It will never be given up. IWB ended up a joke by some of the national media guys during #shakawatch.
I very much don't think that is the case. Channel 6 had the same info.
I have a problem with people judging people on this board without knowing the facts. We have no idea how close MU was to getting Shaka and now some are saying he is classless. I am sure these same people bashed Crean for not telling MU players first. Maybe Shaka made a verbal commitment, but asked that nothing be said until he talked to his team. If that was the case then the people leaking it were classless and not Shaka. I do not know if Shaka made a commitment, but if he did there was a reason why he changed it. An agreement is two sided and no one knows if there was one and if there was what changed it. There is no basis to claim that Shaka is classless.
Quote from: The Lens on June 24, 2014, 09:02:15 AM
IWB is herding cats. Getting all those guys in one place is no easy task.
I get the roster part. I don't get the lack of awareness and at least having a team schedule. Who cares who's on what team immediately, it be nice to know, but I'd at least like to know what time of day and what day the teams are playing.
As stated above, it is like herding cats.
Here are the typical phone calls I received this week. And yes, there were several like this....
"Yo Jim, I want to play on the same team with Jimmy, Joe, Tom and Bobby."
Me: "That's great, but none of those guys have signed up, and neither have you."
Seriously, multiple calls like that. Going into this week I had about 15 registrations and now we have a waiting list. It has been beyond crazy.
Sorry for the lack of notice, has been discussed quite a bit on BrewCityBall.
As for "Done Deal".... what can I do? The guy said yes to them and then back out. I will not change my stance on that.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on June 23, 2014, 10:22:29 PM
He agreed to terms but didn't accept them? He agreed but there was no verbal agreement? Correct me if I'm wrong Batman, but if he agreed, wouldn't there be acceptance on his part? If he agreed but there was no verbal agreement, then there was a written agreement? Either you meant to say something else, or this is the biggest bunch of nonsense since, "It depend on what the meaning of the word 'is" is." OR maybe he agreed to his own terms and didn't accept MU's terms and that's why there was no verbal agreement. That must be it.
What he actually said was "I agree to your terms, but the old lady needs to ratify this." Ooops. Probably couldn't go that route.
She must make a lotta coin to turn down the money MU was showing.
Quote from: mu-rara on June 24, 2014, 12:42:57 PM
She must make a lotta coin to turn down the money MU was showing.
I think this is much less about the coin and very much about the coin slot...
Quote from: mu-rara on June 24, 2014, 12:42:57 PM
What he actually said was "I agree to your terms, but the old lady needs to ratify this." Ooops. Probably couldn't go that route.
She must make a lotta coin to turn down the money MU was showing.
From what I was told by coaches out East, it wasn't the money. The specific line was, "We agreed that we wouldn't leave unless it was for one of THEE programs."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 24, 2014, 08:20:10 AM
This. He went out on a ledge and got burned. Still very close to the program. Absolutely no need to pile on.
I don't think people are piling on. IWB adds a lot to the MU hoops picture. He got ahead of the power curve and guys are taking the piss out of him for it. That's what guys do. I would be disappointed if they didn't and even more if he couldn't take a few friendly jabs. Sit in a fighter squadron ready room and listen to the banter. It is merciless and cruel yet vital to esprit de corps.
Agreed - I have taken a lot of shots over this and I have no problem with that.
Quote from: IWB on June 24, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Agreed - I have taken a lot of shots over this and I have no problem with that.
#DoneDeal #ThickSkin #ShotsShotsShots
Quote from: IWB on June 24, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Agreed - I have taken a lot of shots over this and I have no problem with that.
BTW, I like your radio show. I don't get a chance to listen live but I make a point to play it in its entirety, usually while cooking. This time of year is like being stranded in Al Anbar without a camel back; your show is that shimmering oasis on the horizon.
Quote from: keefe on June 24, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
I don't think people are piling on. IWB adds a lot to the MU hoops picture. He got ahead of the power curve and guys are taking the piss out of him for it. That's what guys do. I would be disappointed if they didn't and even more if he couldn't take a few friendly jabs. Sit in a fighter squadron ready room and listen to the banter. It is merciless and cruel yet vital to esprit de corps.
Same with the firehouse. We don't sit around playing checkers. We spend our down time in pursuit of the perfect insult.
IWB, understood re: the pro-am. Anything you can tell us in terms of alums who are definitely in / maybe in / definitely out (as in...a done deal), when lineups will be posted, etc.? Thanks.
Quote from: tower912 on June 24, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
We spend our down time in pursuit of the perfect insult.
I am still laughing. Different setting but the same guys. Kindred spirits for sure.
Working on it all right now. Hard to say with alums as they tend to call me when they are coming into town.
Junior will be playing this Friday.
Wes wanted to play Saturday but NBA does not allow players to play before July 1. He says he will play and force Novak to play with him.
Joe Chapman said he will play, but not sure when.
Rosters are done, loading them into the system now.
Quote from: mupanther on June 24, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
I very much don't think that is the case. Channel 6 had the same info.
Gee - wonder where Channel 6 got the info. And if you can't make fun of someone for a screw up, then what good is making fun.
But, I think he is still a better source than anyone else here on Scoop.
I had four different sources on the info, not just one, and I am sure Fox 6 was in a similar situation.
Quote from: brandx on June 24, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
But, I think he is still a better source than anyone else here on Scoop.
The hell you say!
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Quote from: IWB on June 24, 2014, 02:13:01 PM
I had four different sources on the info, not just one, and I am sure Fox 6 was in a similar situation.
Would be nice to hear the skinny on how the dealin's went down. Was it da Mrs. Who threw ice water in our jocks or lack of an AD or just a case of bein' played by a playa?
Quote from: IWB on June 24, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Agreed - I have taken a lot of shots over this and I have no problem with that.
Big time respect for this stance, IWB.
We're all big boys. Sometimes we have to get teased a little. I'm glad you stuck your neck out at that time. It was a major part of one of the craziest times in Scoop history.
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4ever
I believe it was all of the above. I had heard from two sources that Smart was telling his team he was leaving at approx 6pm the night IWB broke the news. From my understanding it was a done deal until it no longer was a done deal. Will say I still wish we had landed him and it was much closer than most will ever know.
Well, fook him if he didn't wanna be a Warrior. We don't have ta kiss anyone's tuckus, aina?
Quote from: Goose on June 24, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
4ever
I believe it was all of the above. I had heard from two sources that Smart was telling his team he was leaving at approx 6pm the night IWB broke the news. From my understanding it was a done deal until it no longer was a done deal. Will say I still wish we had landed him and it was much closer than most will ever know.
Maybe the leaks before he talked to his team changed his mind. He might not of wanted to be another Tom Crean.
Quote from: Goose on June 24, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
4ever
I believe it was all of the above. I had heard from two sources that Smart was telling his team he was leaving at approx 6pm the night IWB broke the news. From my understanding it was a done deal until it no longer was a done deal. Will say I still wish we had landed him and it was much closer than most will ever know.
Goose
I heard the deal breaker was that Channel4 wouldn't let him out of his contract so he spent this summer in UK
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Quote from: IWB on June 24, 2014, 02:13:01 PM
I had four different sources on the info, not just one, and I am sure Fox 6 was in a similar situation.
My understanding is that they agreed to terms, then Mrs (not so) Smart submitted a list of AD choices she insisted MU pick from. Not sure if MU called it off after that, of if they said no to that specific demand, and Mrs Smart pulled the plug. In the end, is was the same result....done deal.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks for posting here. Good luck with the pro-am.
Quote from: Goose on June 24, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
4ever
I believe it was all of the above. I had heard from two sources that Smart was telling his team he was leaving at approx 6pm the night IWB broke the news. From my understanding it was a done deal until it no longer was a done deal. Will say I still wish we had landed him and it was much closer than most will ever know.
The only problem I have with all of this is the guys at VCU that I was chatting with, including one MU alum tied to VCU who was emailing me here daily said from day one all of this was never a done deal. Anotherm who was a former MU athletic department employee who works there now, same thing. That we were being played. Granted, I was skiing most of that week and getting bits and pieces during the time, but both of them were emphatic nightly saying "absolutely quiet as hell down here, business as usual, nothing going on. NOTHING". When people were saying someone was on a plane or they were meeting "right now", actually they weren't. When people say terms were agreed to, what does that mean? "Yeah this sounds great, I'm wanting to do this, I think this is a go, I just need to sleep on it". I'd like to know what people consider agreed to. In my line of work, we get agreements all the time before anything is papered, but it is rock solid agreed to. Usually an email, a one page term sheet, etc. I guess everyone has a different viewpoint of what is agreed to and what isn't, or perhaps whom agrees to it when others have yet to weigh in. If I have a mid level manager telling me it's agreed to, I want a call from his\her VP or an email saying the same thing, as an example.
IWB is a great source, does very good things for MU and basketball in Milwaukee (for which he is also compensated...he isn't dumb, good for him). My opinion from everything I was hearing down from VCU is that we jumped the gun on the info and it was never truly a done deal, but some folks took it that way based on what was said or what people wanted to hear. It sure sounded great, I know I would have been ecstatic over the hire. Oh well. Glad it wasn't Cuonzo. In Wojo we trust.
Chicos,
Did you consider that your friends at VCU gave you that spin because it best fit their agenda?
'Spose MU could have done the same, but I doubt it.
Pro-Am Schedule is out....
http://www.milwaukeeproam.com/Schedule.aspx
Quote from: IWB on June 25, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
Pro-Am Schedule is out....
http://www.milwaukeeproam.com/Schedule.aspx
So there are no games on Saturday?
I think it's safe to say that Scion Dental is the best team, they're loaded
IWB said on his other board that a number of those players are only part-time.
Yes, but don't underestimate some of the other teams. Gruber Law is loaded too. Also, the team with Gordon Lucious & Simmons? Simmons is really good.
No games this Saturday. Too many conflicts with facility, officials & players. Play then resumes July 11.
That is one of the reasons for the delay in schedule announcement - it was all changing and I couldn't confirm.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 25, 2014, 11:55:19 AM
Chicos,
Did you consider that your friends at VCU gave you that spin because it best fit their agenda?
'Spose MU could have done the same, but I doubt it.
I don't know, but they sure came out right ultimately. I remember being very excited about the news, IWB is a trusted source as are others. Then I would get emails from both of these guys saying it's not a done deal, you should really hold your horses on this. We aren't seeing anything remotely suggesting anything is happening down here. Absolutely nothing. Take it for what its worth, but ultimately they were right.
Crean sucks
I do not see Steve Taylor on any roster.
Taylor played in a pro am down in chicago not knowing that by doing so he became ineligible to play in the one up here in Milwaukee(NCAA rules say you can only play in 1).
So he won't be playing this year.
Quote from: MuMark on June 25, 2014, 08:24:38 PM
Taylor played in a pro am down in chicago not knowing that by doing so he became ineligible to play in the one up here in Milwaukee(NCAA rules say you can only play in 1).
So he won't be playing this year.
Could it be he is thinking of transferring so he played in Chicago as a statement?
Quote from: keefe on June 25, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Could it be he is thinking of transferring so he played in Chicago as a statement?
yep
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