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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Celtic Truth on June 20, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
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This would be how i would distribute playing time if I was in Wojo's shoes, given what I know
Starting lineup w/o Luke Fischer. Minutes per game in ()
PG: Carlino (30)- Proven scorer, we need someone who can shoot
SG: Mayo (30)- needs to be the "go to guy" that we needed last year. He had some amazing moments last season, hopefully he can be more consistent
SF: JJJ (20)- should be more productive with reliable minutes and confident from coach
PF: Burton (30)- needs to be a beast inside, play big, rebound, and score down low
C: STJ (30)- until Luke comes back, STJ needs to play all the mins he can handle, I hope he's healthy and ready, and playing with a chip on his shoulder after being dicked around last year by Brent
Juan PF/C (20)- needs to be active and aggressive and provide a spark of energy off the bench. Someone needs to play up front wen bane and Steve need a rest and he's the only real option. Played horribly last season but I think he's better than that. Also hopefully Wojo's stress on skill work(shooting/scoring) will help
Duane PG/SG (20)- hopefully he's as good as advertised. We need to have a guard who can score, and shoot off of the bench. Excited to see what he's got
Derrick PG (10)- we know what we're gunna get here, solid steady play and solid defense. Nothing more nothing less
Dawson PG (5)- I like Dawson and think he's solid but he's stuck in a crowded backcourt. He's good enough to be a solid Big East pg, just not on this team this year.
Cohen SF (5)- we'll see what he's got but I thing he's too small to play inside, and not a great shooter. Will develop over time but I don't see him making an immediate impact.
Luke Fischer- when healthy he should start. Should play close to 30 mins a game. Cutting into Steve and Juan's minutes. Hopefully be can hold down the paint and be our go to guy for the BE schedule
However....... I'm not paid big money to make these decisions, Wojo is and I trust him to make the right moves. In Wojo we trust
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I think Derrick will play at least 20 minutes. I suspect no one will average 30 minutes a game. There is no way Burton will, if he does not learn how not to foul. Dawson will play more than 5 minutes. 20 minutes seems high for JJJ. JJJ will be fighting for minutes at the three as Mayo, Carlino and Duane Wilson will take almost all the minutes at the two. Despite the fact he is our 2nd biggest player, I am not sure how many minutes Steve Taylor Jr will get. I not sure how he fits in, if Wojo wants to press. Taylor last year showed that he could rebound, but he often got out of position on defense and missed several bunnies on offense. I am hoping for a big step up from him, but to assume he averages anywhere close to 30 minutes a game is a big leap in faith for me. I think he gets minutes similar to what Otule got last year, especially after Fischer is eligible.
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This would be how i would distribute playing time if I was in Wojo's shoes, given what I know
Starting lineup w/o Luke Fischer. Minutes per game in ()
PG: Carlino (30)- Proven scorer, we need someone who can shoot
SG: Mayo (30)- needs to be the "go to guy" that we needed last year. He had some amazing moments last season, hopefully he can be more consistent
SF: JJJ (20)- should be more productive with reliable minutes and confident from coach
PF: Burton (30)- needs to be a beast inside, play big, rebound, and score down low
C: STJ (30)- until Luke comes back, STJ needs to play all the mins he can handle, I hope he's healthy and ready, and playing with a chip on his shoulder after being dicked around last year by Brent
Juan PF/C (20)- needs to be active and aggressive and provide a spark of energy off the bench. Someone needs to play up front wen bane and Steve need a rest and he's the only real option. Played horribly last season but I think he's better than that. Also hopefully Wojo's stress on skill work(shooting/scoring) will help
Duane PG/SG (20)- hopefully he's as good as advertised. We need to have a guard who can score, and shoot off of the bench. Excited to see what he's got
Derrick PG (10)- we know what we're gunna get here, solid steady play and solid defense. Nothing more nothing less
Dawson PG (5)- I like Dawson and think he's solid but he's stuck in a crowded backcourt. He's good enough to be a solid Big East pg, just not on this team this year.
Cohen SF (5)- we'll see what he's got but I thing he's too small to play inside, and not a great shooter. Will develop over time but I don't see him making an immediate impact.
Luke Fischer- when healthy he should start. Should play close to 30 mins a game. Cutting into Steve and Juan's minutes. Hopefully be can hold down the paint and be our go to guy for the BE schedule
However....... I'm not paid big money to make these decisions, Wojo is and I trust him to make the right moves. In Wojo we trust
I think this looks pretty accurate. I see Dawson playing more than Derrick, but that's the only thing I would flip. At first glance I thought Juan's minutes where pretty high, then I remembered how thin our front court is.
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I think Derrick will play at least 20 minutes. I suspect no one will average 30 minutes a game. There is no way Burton will, if he does not learn how not to foul. Dawson will play more than 5 minutes. 20 minutes seems high for JJJ. JJJ will be fighting for minutes at the three as Mayo, Carlino and Duane Wilson will take almost all the minutes at the two. Despite the fact he is our 2nd biggest player, I am not sure how many minutes Steve Taylor Jr will get. I not sure how he fits in, if Wojo wants to press. Taylor last year showed that he could rebound, but he often got out of position on defense and missed several bunnies on offense. I am hoping for a big step up from him, but to assume he averages anywhere close to 30 minutes a game is a big leap in faith for me. I think he gets minutes similar to what Otule got last year, especially after Fischer is eligible.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Derrick plays 20 mpg this year. But I personally wouldn't play him that much. I think jjj gets a lot of time at SF because there is less competition there. I don't see us playing lineups with 3 small guards at a time( mayo, Carlino, Du, DWill, Dawson) are all 6'3 or less. JJJ ads more size at 6'5 or 6'6. And Steve will get all the minutes he can handle by default. He's our OT true big man without Luke. When Luke returns however he will cut into Steve's minutes
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Proven scorers who are not efficient don't help anybody, they just piss off their teammates who see them (correctly) as selfish. Carlino's minutes - as a result - will be in proportion to how well he listens to Wojo. Listening to his HC will be a new skill for Carlino to master.
This would be how i would distribute playing time if I was in Wojo's shoes, given what I know
Starting lineup w/o Luke Fischer. Minutes per game in ()
PG: Carlino (30)- Proven scorer, we need someone who can shoot
SG: Mayo (30)- needs to be the "go to guy" that we needed last year. He had some amazing moments last season, hopefully he can be more consistent
SF: JJJ (20)- should be more productive with reliable minutes and confident from coach
PF: Burton (30)- needs to be a beast inside, play big, rebound, and score down low
C: STJ (30)- until Luke comes back, STJ needs to play all the mins he can handle, I hope he's healthy and ready, and playing with a chip on his shoulder after being dicked around last year by Brent
Juan PF/C (20)- needs to be active and aggressive and provide a spark of energy off the bench. Someone needs to play up front wen bane and Steve need a rest and he's the only real option. Played horribly last season but I think he's better than that. Also hopefully Wojo's stress on skill work(shooting/scoring) will help
Duane PG/SG (20)- hopefully he's as good as advertised. We need to have a guard who can score, and shoot off of the bench. Excited to see what he's got
Derrick PG (10)- we know what we're gunna get here, solid steady play and solid defense. Nothing more nothing less
Dawson PG (5)- I like Dawson and think he's solid but he's stuck in a crowded backcourt. He's good enough to be a solid Big East pg, just not on this team this year.
Cohen SF (5)- we'll see what he's got but I thing he's too small to play inside, and not a great shooter. Will develop over time but I don't see him making an immediate impact.
Luke Fischer- when healthy he should start. Should play close to 30 mins a game. Cutting into Steve and Juan's minutes. Hopefully be can hold down the paint and be our go to guy for the BE schedule
However....... I'm not paid big money to make these decisions, Wojo is and I trust him to make the right moves. In Wojo we trust
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Proven scorers who are not efficient don't help anybody, they just piss off their teammates who see them (correctly) as selfish. Carlino's minutes - as a result - will be in proportion to how well he listens to Wojo. Listening to his HC will be a new skill for Carlino to master.
I agree. Both Carlino and Mayo are going to have to score a decent amount of points for us but do it in an efficient manner. They can't turn in to ball hogs, but I think Wojo can handle this well, I don't see it turning into a problem
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Like most MU fans and people on this board, I'm definitely excited to see Duane Wilson. But expecting an immediate impact from him on a consistent basis is not realistic I don't think. He hasn't played a minute of college ball yet. He's coming off a redshirt season due to injury. Sure he's been practicing and working out with the guys, but game speed is a whole other level that he's going to have to shake some rust off early on.
I think he'll has some moments and flashes of what he's been billed to be, but I just don't see 20 minutes per game or consistent play out of him, especially early in the season.
Plus our backcourt is loaded with competition and a pretty good amount of experience.
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I more or less agree with the OP. The only thing I would change is Luke Fischer's minutes. It is very rare for teams to play centers for 30 minutes a game. A combination of foul trouble and low stamina. I think his minutes will be closer to 20 than 30. But he is our only true center, if he can actively produce for thirty minutes, he could get the time.
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Luke Fischer's low stamina.
Did you speak with his girlfriend?
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Won't Otule get a few minutes per game?
I can't imagine a season without him!
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I agree. Both Carlino and Mayo are going to have to score a decent amount of points for us but do it in an efficient manner. They can't turn in to ball hogs, but I think Wojo can handle this well, I don't see it turning into a problem
Sorry to burst you bubble--but mayo already is a ball hog. If Wojo rolls with him for 30 plus minutes a game, he will average about 14 ppg with 4 TO's and others not seeing the ball.
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Sorry to burst you bubble--but mayo already is a ball hog. If Wojo rolls with him for 30 plus minutes a game, he will average about 14 ppg with 4 TO's and others not seeing the ball.
I agree, I don't see 30 mpg for him, but for a little bit different reasons. I really think Mayo is not as selfish as he used to be offensively and his shot selection has improved with it. I think his carelessness with the ball and crappy defense are the things that will get Wojo and staff's attention.
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Mayo and Burton both should get 30 minutes per game - without question the two best players on the team.
That leaves 140 minutes for the other guys, and we'll be playing 3 guard ball all year long.
See the combination of Steve, Juan and Luke fighting for 50 minutes per game (the 10 Burton doesn't play, and 40 minutes of needing a "big" paired with Burton and 3 guards.)
That leaves 90 minutes that Carlino, Dawson, Duane, JJJ and Derrick fight for...and I see that breaking as follows:
Carlino 27
JJJ 20
Dawson 20
Duane 15
Derrick 8
Cohen - DNP
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Derrick Wilson averaged 13.1 minutes per game as a sophomore. There is no way he is playing less than that.
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Derrick Wilson averaged 13.1 minutes per game as a sophomore. There is no way he is playing less than that.
That was when he played for a coach who thought he was an elite game changer.
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Derrick will play more depending on the offense of the team. If the team can not score like at times last year, he will be on the bench. Wojo talks D but at Duke they played a lot of O, lots
of slashing to the hoop, pick and roll or shot the 3. Most of which Derrick can not do. I see Derrick in the 20 minute range, tops.
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Mayo and Burton both should get 30 minutes per game - without question the two best players on the team.
Mayo may average 30 minutes a game but Burton will not. I think his max is about 25 both from a stamina/effectiveness standpoint as well as foul trouble. And Burton may be closer to 20 than 25.
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I think the OP is pretty accurate at this point. It's just so hard to figure out because you have a new guy, with a new system, and a bunch of unproven players. I have no idea how good Duane Wilson is going to be. Same with JJJ.
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Derrick Wilson averaged 13.1 minutes per game as a sophomore. There is no way he is playing less than that.
Well much as he had Cadougan ahead of him as a sophomore - he now in all likelihood has Carlino in front of him...and it is highly likely Dawson and Duane will make decent jumps in their skill level and college ball -readiness, as they are now in Year 2 of their development at MU. Most college players make their biggest improvement between their freshman and sophomore years..assuming they enter college at the typical 18 years old. Furthermore, Duane and Dawson are the future at PG for MU so unless Derrick is clearly better than those two this year...it doesn't make a ton of sense for Wojo to invest minutes in Derrick..as it would Duane and Dawson.
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Mayo may average 30 minutes a game but Burton will not. I think his max is about 25 both from a stamina/effectiveness standpoint as well as foul trouble. And Burton may be closer to 20 than 25.
Hopefully his conditioning will have improved to where he's good for 30 minutes per game - I do agree there were times he got winded last year in the games he got longer stretches of PT. The foul trouble...I think he'll be able to improve in that area being a year more experienced in the college game. Some of his fouls were just silly too...hopefully he can eliminate those. The guy is an absolute talent - and needs to be on the floor as much as his conditioning and staying out of foul trouble allow.
In my view Burton is the best prospect at MU since Wade..at least as far as at the college ability level - his ability to single handedly take over a game if/as needed.
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Carlino will have to earn his minutes by showing he is not a ball hog and fitting in with the rest of the team. It would be a huge mistake to let him come here with no history on this team and get max minutes. Early on I would give Duane more minutes to show us what he has and gradually work Carlino up as he proves himself as well. As for Derrick , start out in defensive situations where he can have a positive result and build from there. Dawson needs to make the most of the opportunities he gets .
Burton has the most game changing talent and needs to be on the floor as much as possible. Todd needs to be in the game on a consistent basis. I think when he is in the flow he makes better decisions. Those two should be giving us max production every game.
JJJ needs a role where he can get in the flow of the game as well. If they can find that role for him he could be a third threat for us. similar to the way Jamil was two seasons ago.
STJr, Juan and Luke is essentially minute sharing and depends in match ups. I think STJr has a lot of upside .
Cohen needs to make the most of his minutes against the cupcakes, work on his defense in the meantime and show he can be a factor as a college player.
My biggest concern is Carlino. I think he can screw up the chemistry of the team and program if not handled firmly.
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Carlino will have to earn his minutes by showing he is not a ball hog and fitting in with the rest of the team. It would be a huge mistake to let him come here with no history on this team and get max minutes. Early on I would give Duane more minutes to show us what he has and gradually work Carlino up as he proves himself as well.
Carlino has more experience and has accomplished more than any guy on the team at this level. He's not only played on, but led NCAA teams and never averaged less than double digits scoring for a season. I'm not saying he has the most raw talent on this year's roster, but to question whether he deserves "max minutes" is ridiculous. We'll be counting on him heavily all season. He didn't come here for his last season and Wojo didn't bring him aboard to be a spectator, or part-timer. He is easily a 30+ mpg guy.
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I don't think you guys are saying different things. Everyone has to earn their minutes, but my guess is that everyone pretty much knows that Carlino is going to be given every opportunity to earn those minutes immediately.
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What we do not know is who is going to benefit the most by Wojo's skill training. My gut feeling is that it is JJJ. However, Derrick could benefit greatly by being taught by coaches who were point guards. We also do not know, if old attitude problems are going to show up. Taylor and JJJ were going to transfer and Mayo was always in Buzz's doghouse. I always thought that minutes did not matter so much to Juan, but starting did and he almost transferred before last year and returned with the promise he did not have to play the four. Throw in Fischer, who bailed on Indiana at mid-season and you have 5 players that have red flags. A new coach gives them life, but in the long run you are not likely to keep all five players happy. It was Derrick that worked to keep the team together when we did not have a coach. Derrick is the team leader and Duane strikes me as one also. Dawson and Burton never gave me any indication that they had attitude problems. While talent matters, in the end the coach is going to play the players that have the right attitudes. Right now everyone has a clean slate, but someone is not going to start or play the position they want and we just do not know how they will react to it.
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I don't think you guys are saying different things. Everyone has to earn their minutes, but my guess is that everyone pretty much knows that Carlino is going to be given every opportunity to earn those minutes immediately.
This.
Even though they are completely different players, Carlino is similar in this regard to Lockett. Trent was going to have to play his way OUT of significant minutes. The job was his to lose.
At times early in the season, when many of us (including me, I admit) were calling for his minutes to be reduced, Buzz stuck by Lockett to very good results in the second half of the season. We now like to bash Buzz, but bringing in Lockett and then sticking with him through some early woes was excellent recruiting and excellent coaching.
I'm thinking Wojo will have a similarly long leash should Carlino struggle early, especially if Carlino is the same kind of good teammate Lockett was and helps the team by doing some "little" things as Lockett did.
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What we do not know is who is going to benefit the most by Wojo's skill training. My gut feeling is that it is JJJ. However, Derrick could benefit greatly by being taught by coaches who were point guards. We also do not know, if old attitude problems are going to show up. Taylor and JJJ were going to transfer and Mayo was always in Buzz's doghouse. I always thought that minutes did not matter so much to Juan, but starting did and he almost transferred before last year and returned with the promise he did not have to play the four. Throw in Fischer, who bailed on Indiana at mid-season and you have 5 players that have red flags. A new coach gives them life, but in the long run you are not likely to keep all five players happy. It was Derrick that worked to keep the team together when we did not have a coach. Derrick is the team leader and Duane strikes me as one also. Dawson and Burton never gave me any indication that they had attitude problems. While talent matters, in the end the coach is going to play the players that have the right attitudes. Right now everyone has a clean slate, but someone is not going to start or play the position they want and we just do not know how they will react to it.
So you are saying that JJJ and Taylor have attitude problems? I'm curious as to why you think this. Also, just because someone transfers, I wouldn't go into the season thinking they are a red flag.
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Earning minutes is important to any coach's practices and motivational angle.
But with a guard oriented approach, we're going to see possibly 4 guard sets a la Villanova with Juan playing the Cunningham role and Steve monitoring the center til Luke can play.
Because we're going to play lots of guards, the ability to hit the three is going to be important. Derrick's minutes may take a hit because of this.
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So you are saying that JJJ and Taylor have attitude problems? I'm curious as to why you think this. Also, just because someone transfers, I wouldn't go into the season thinking they are a red flag.
JJJ and Taylor's situation depends on who you talk to. According to them, Buzz was unreasonable. According to Buzz, they had attitude problems. There is probably truth to both.
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Mayo and Burton both should get 30 minutes per game - without question the two best players on the team.
That leaves 140 minutes for the other guys, and we'll be playing 3 guard ball all year long.
See the combination of Steve, Juan and Luke fighting for 50 minutes per game (the 10 Burton doesn't play, and 40 minutes of needing a "big" paired with Burton and 3 guards.)
That leaves 90 minutes that Carlino, Dawson, Duane, JJJ and Derrick fight for...and I see that breaking as follows:
Carlino 27
JJJ 20
Dawson 20
Duane 15
Derrick 8
Cohen - DNP
Sorry--don't agree. Mayo is only a scorer. he can't handle, and is only average on D. If Duane only gets 15 mpg, we have problems.
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This would be how i would distribute playing time if I was in Wojo's shoes, given what I know
Starting lineup w/o Luke Fischer. Minutes per game in ()
PG: Carlino (30)- Proven scorer, we need someone who can shoot
SG: Mayo (30)- needs to be the "go to guy" that we needed last year. He had some amazing moments last season, hopefully he can be more consistent
SF: JJJ (20)- should be more productive with reliable minutes and confident from coach
PF: Burton (30)- needs to be a beast inside, play big, rebound, and score down low
C: STJ (30)- until Luke comes back, STJ needs to play all the mins he can handle, I hope he's healthy and ready, and playing with a chip on his shoulder after being dicked around last year by Brent
Juan PF/C (20)- needs to be active and aggressive and provide a spark of energy off the bench. Someone needs to play up front wen bane and Steve need a rest and he's the only real option. Played horribly last season but I think he's better than that. Also hopefully Wojo's stress on skill work(shooting/scoring) will help
Duane PG/SG (20)- hopefully he's as good as advertised. We need to have a guard who can score, and shoot off of the bench. Excited to see what he's got
Derrick PG (10)- we know what we're gunna get here, solid steady play and solid defense. Nothing more nothing less
Dawson PG (5)- I like Dawson and think he's solid but he's stuck in a crowded backcourt. He's good enough to be a solid Big East pg, just not on this team this year.
Cohen SF (5)- we'll see what he's got but I thing he's too small to play inside, and not a great shooter. Will develop over time but I don't see him making an immediate impact.
Many of these games without Fisher will be cupcakes. I would expect starters to see limited action and the deep bench will see additional playing time.
In addition we'll have 3 games in 4 days during the Old Spice classic in Orlando, which means that even some of the tough games may see starters with more bench time so they're not worn out by the 3rd game.
I think its unlikely the roster is so shallow that we need four players to average 30 mpg during this stretch.
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JJJ and Taylor's situation depends on who you talk to. According to them, Buzz was unreasonable. According to Buzz, they had attitude problems. There is probably truth to both.
Ever see a player with an attitude problem who didn't think his coach was unreasonable?
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Won't Otule get a few minutes per game?
I can't imagine a season without him!
No kidding. I started my freshman year September 2008. I literally have not watched an MU game in which a Otule was not on the roster. And that's coming from someone that missed less than 10 games over that 6 year span. Crazy.
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Ever see a player with an attitude problem who didn't think his coach was unreasonable?
Ever see an unreasonable coach who didn't have players with attitude problems??
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So you are saying that JJJ and Taylor have attitude problems? I'm curious as to why you think this. Also, just because someone transfers, I wouldn't go into the season thinking they are a red flag.
What I am saying is they have red flags, which could indicate the potential to be unhappy, if they do not get playing time. I think JJJ will play enough, so he that should not be a problem. Overall he seems to be a happy guy, but if he sees the same amount of time he saw under Buzz he will be gone. Right now everyone is happy until they find out where and how much they are playing.
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Ever see an unreasonable coach who didn't have players with attitude problems??
I can't comment specifically on JJJ but I can safely assume that Steve remained a committed player, teammate, student and friend even while he was contemplating his future. Steve is a super bright kid with his eye on the prize fully appreciating his basketball sponsored path to higher education and a better life. He watched his coach under perform and certainly wondered what the next two years would bring. In total agreement with keefe, anyone labeling Steve as some sort of problem is simply mistaken. I'm confident he's pleased that things have worked out and I believe he'll work his butt off to be the best #5 he can be while waiting for Luke even though he'll never earn a paycheck at that position.
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I think Carlino will get plenty if PT and the guard situation will work itself out - 3 spots all year. STJr and Bane are going to have to learn to avoid fouls. That will be hard for Steve vs. True 5's. And sadly, Juan, you're a 4 by default. Suck it up, don't sulk.
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Sorry--don't agree. Mayo is only a scorer. he can't handle, and is only average on D. If Duane only gets 15 mpg, we have problems.
I think Mayo is a guy who can be a much better defender in different scheme. He is a very good on-ball defender, but always seemed to be slower to recognize the proper rotation in the team defense.
But you are correct about his ball handling abilities.
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I think Mayo is a guy who can be a much better defender in different scheme. He is a very good on-ball defender, but always seemed to be slower to recognize the proper rotation in the team defense.
But you are correct about his ball handling abilities.
Todd is a very good on ball defender as you point out. Additionally, with regard to his ball handling - part of the reason he turns it over, is because he actually forces the action...aggressively pushes in transition, attacks the basket off the bounce. He was by far the most aggressive guy on the team last year trying to create of the dribble and attack the basket.
Obviously, he was having to contend with a clogged lane and extra defender last season due to the limitations at PG...but the point is.....turnovers have a much higher propensity to happen when playing aggressively and attacking. I can live with that. I can't live with passive guard play, that never attacks, and merely reverses the ball around the perimeter while never putting pressure on the defense/collapsing the defense due to penetration. That leads to 17-15 and missing the NIT.
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I think Carlino will get plenty if PT and the guard situation will work itself out - 3 spots all year. STJr and Bane are going to have to learn to avoid fouls. That will be hard for Steve vs. True 5's. And sadly, Juan, you're a 4 by default. Suck it up, don't sulk.
Juan should watch hours of video on how Lazar battled bigs. Just looking at our roster, it's obvious he will be in that role occasionally - maybe even more than occasionally, especially before Fischer is eligible.
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Todd is a very good on ball defender as you point out. Additionally, with regard to his ball handling - part of the reason he turns it over, is because he actually forces the action...aggressively pushes in transition, attacks the basket off the bounce. He was by far the most aggressive guy on the team last year trying to create of the dribble and attack the basket.
Obviously, he was having to contend with a clogged lane and extra defender last season due to the limitations at PG...but the point is.....turnovers have a much higher propensity to happen when playing aggressively and attacking. I can live with that. I can't live with passive guard play, that never attacks, and merely reverses the ball around the perimeter while never putting pressure on the defense/collapsing the defense due to penetration. That leads to 17-15 and missing the NIT.
It's more than that. Mayo isn't great with his left hand isn't a terribly good passer.
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I think Carlino will get plenty if PT and the guard situation will work itself out - 3 spots all year. STJr and Bane are going to have to learn to avoid fouls. That will be hard for Steve vs. True 5's. And sadly, Juan, you're a 4 by default. Suck it up, don't sulk.
The question is how many "True 5's" will Taylor really have to play against?
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It's more than that. Mayo isn't great with his left hand isn't a terribly good passer.
Todd's left may not be as good as his right..just as is the case with many players and their weak hand...however, his passing ability has gotten a bad rap..he sees the floor pretty well and evolved into a better passer last season without question. Then again, when you are a guy who can go get you one..such as Burton, DJO, etc...passing isn't always their first priority. Nonetheless, Todd assisted at a better rate last year than did Vander as a junior..and I don't recall people ever labeling Blue as either selfish or not being a good passer. Todd has a very nice all around game...and I can't wait to see what he does this season - think he's going to have a monster year free from Buzz and playing alongside a better running mates in the backcourt.
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Last year MU turned the ball over very little bringing the ball up court. Most of the turnovers occurred in their half court offense. I think paint touches are good, but if the other team knows that you are going to emphasize paint touches it gives them a defensive advantage. The dumbest thing last year was Buzz saying the players could not shoot until there was a paint touch. My biggest criticism of Derrick last year was not that he could not score, it was that he could not distribute the ball. There was quite a difference between the ability of Cadougan to drive the lane and drop a pass to Gardner and Derrick's ability to do the same thing. Hopefully, Wojo can teach Derrick the art of distributing the ball.
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Last year MU turned the ball over very little bringing the ball up court. Most of the turnovers occurred in their half court offense. I think paint touches are good, but if the other team knows that you are going to emphasize paint touches it gives them a defensive advantage. The dumbest thing last year was Buzz saying the players could not shoot until there was a paint touch. My biggest criticism of Derrick last year was not that he could not score, it was that he could not distribute the ball. There was quite a difference between the ability of Cadougan to drive the lane and drop a pass to Gardner and Derrick's ability to do the same thing. Hopefully, Wojo can teach Derrick the art of distributing the ball.
Derrick has the ability to do what you mention above, but the problem was that since he struggled so mightily shooting from the perimeter - teams never crowded him on the perimeter - sagged 5 feet off of him - therefore he was never able to beat anybody off the dribble into the lane to force help, and create an easy dump off for Gardner, Jamil, or Chris. The inability to shoot from the perimeter really makes it hard for a PG to be a playmaker. Personally, I don't think Derrick is as bad of shooter as his stats reflect - just feel Buzz pretty much instructed him to not shoot from the perimeter unless a shot clock situation. Confidence eroded. Can't be a good shooter when thinking about shooting.
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Tony Miller and Sam Worthem weren't good shooters
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Cadougan, especially as a junior, was not a good shooter.
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Tony Miller and Sam Worthem weren't good shooters
Tony Miller and Sam Worthen could score. They also could drive, dish and make their teammates better. And they did hit the occasional outside shot, which is more than last season's PG could do.
Cadougan could break down a defense and create opportunities for teammates. For a guy who was a lousy shooter, he hit a few big shots and had a couple of surprisingly good scoring games. I'd argue that he hit the single biggest shot of the entire 2012-13 season until Vander's make against Davidson.
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Best PG in MU history (Dean Meminger) wasn't a good shooter. Ramon Rondo and John Wall couldn't beat Ners in a game of H-O-R-S-E but they're pretty good NBA point guards.
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Yes, not all point guards are good shooters, but every single one of the names mentioned was a better outside shooter than Derrick was last year.
Hopefully he will get better. That's about all you can say now.
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Juan should watch hours of video on how Lazar battled bigs. Just looking at our roster, it's obvious he will be in that role occasionally - maybe even more than occasionally, especially before Fischer is eligible.
Juan has 1-2" over Lazar, but nowhere near the bulk. Juan will indeed have to battle bigs, but I don't see 'Zar as a model for how he might be able to do it successfully.
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Yes, not all point guards are good shooters, but every single one of the names mentioned was a better outside shooter than Derrick was last year.
Hopefully he will get better. That's about all you can say now.
Derrick is a horrid shooter. Rondo is way better than him, but relative to the average NBA player he's horrid, too. He's probably the worst shooter (and the best basketball player) on the Celtics. Same may be true for John Wall.
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Best PG in MU history (Dean Meminger) wasn't a good shooter. Ramon Rondo and John Wall couldn't beat Ners in a game of H-O-R-S-E but they're pretty good NBA point guards.
I'm not sure what the point is here.
Sure, it would be swell if our PG was a Chris Paul type who could do it all including shoot jumpers with consistently great accuracy. But all one needs to do to be an effective offensive PG in college is be able to create offensively for himself and others. All three of those guys you mentioned were/are dynamic athletes who could/can beat anybody off the dribble, take it to the hole, finish in traffic and set up their teammates for easy buckets.
That's a PG's job description, in my book. Hitting the occasional J, at least well enough so that the defense can't sag 10 feet away, is a bonus.
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Juan has 1-2" over Lazar, but nowhere near the bulk. Juan will indeed have to battle bigs, but I don't see 'Zar as a model for how he might be able to do it successfully.
I don't expect Juan to be Lazar. I'm just saying he could learn from watching video of an undersized forward battling bigs. Not sure how that was an incorrect statement.
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I don't expect Juan to be Lazar. I'm just saying he could learn from watching video of an undersized forward battling bigs. Not sure how that was an incorrect statement.
Fair enough. I didn't see your comment as 'incorrect' but only reacted as I don't see Juan being able to play as Lazar did, simply because he's built differently.
And by that, I suppose I mean mentally. Lazar entered MU as more of an outside player, but by necessity and energy, he was willing and able to become a banger. I guess that's what you mean, and you want to see Juan do the same. I agree.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of a willingness on Juan's part to find a role for himself inside the paint like Lazar did.
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Yes, not all point guards are good shooters, but every single one of the names mentioned was a better outside shooter than Derrick was last year.
Hopefully he will get better. That's about all you can say now.
No there is more that one could say, like give 20 of his minutes to others--now that is hopeful!