Talk about a culture change and a much needed one for a program with 8 straight NCAA tournaments and 3 straight Sweet 16's, a high graduation rate and a bevy of NBA players.
Too bad Larry Williams couldn't have weathered the storm as Coach Wojo would have been a perfect fit for his ego and his dream of having true student athletes that all carry a minimum 3.0 GPA to stay eligible on the team. I'm confident this bunch will represent the school so well in their 2016 NIT birth.
Hopefully we can next entice a couple "sleepers" from Sheboygan with offers that just last week had coaches from Beloit College looking at them in case they didn't get Div I offers from UW-Stevens Point and Winona State.
Don't worry Coach Wojo about next year however with your roster of 8 top 100 players coming out of high school (Juan, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Taylor Jr., JJJ, Carlino & Cohen).....the board already has it labeled as a rebuilding year so don't worry about wins and NCAA tournaments until you get your kind of player in place by 2016. By then we'll get that NIT at large birth and our squeaky clean program will be the delight of the big donors who rather have have image over victories.
UWSP and Winona State are D1 now? Wow--big changes this summer....I had no idea.
Uconn was so bad academically they lost one season and came back with a national championship. Marquette goes the other way to show the nation how much we care about academics. But like the great mike Deane once indicated...there's nothing wrong with playing in the nit.
The sky is falling?
wut?
Sultan writes like a troll.
Real Warriors don't whine.
Look guys, it is way, way, way too early to judge Coach Wojo. The people who do are ignorant. We have big expectations for next year, even though the national media does not. We know what we have coming back.
Be confident! We're going to be fine.
Anyone but Wojo and I would be nervous. Wojo is a winner. He's been a part of winning at the highest level.
Mike Deane (God Bless him!) wanted good kids who were easy to manage and would appreciate a great education. He also hoped he could make a nice run every few years. I gotta think Wojo sees that he's inherited a program with 8 of 9 years in the NCAAs, plus the annual financial investment, and knows what's expected.
I think we need to give Wojo at least 90 days before the surrender flag goes up.
I give Wojo the same benefit of the doubt I gave Buzz when he was hired. I assume he has a plan. I assume he knows what he is doing. Insinuating the sky is falling before seeing the team on the floor is dumb.
Giving Wojo benefit of the doubt but must say some surprising offers of late. If he is going to recruit Badger type players he better know how to coach. The last guy lacked in coaching but recruited pretty well.
The last guy coached his butt off, had one bad year, and left.
Quote from: tower912 on June 19, 2014, 02:28:30 AM
The last guy coached his butt off, had one bad year, and left.
It strikes me that Beauregard was not much of coach, in the technical sense, or otherwise.
His personality (insecure?) resulted in micro-mangement of games (line changes, for example). He was also a very conservative (rigid?) coach who insisted on a fixed style of rotating man to man defense. Brent let the offense work only the paint touch theory (no real plays, out of bounds, or otherwise) and eschewed the 3 point shot.
The other side of his compulsive micro-mangement style, lead to him being to being a great recruiter. The talent he brought to Marquette was obvious, as are the results of this talent.
In the end, probably reflecting his up-bringing, Brent's answer to everything was being "tuffer" than the other guy. This approached based on personal fortitude and aggressiveness, had its merits. However, my guess is that Brent's fixed ideas (my way is the only way), and because he liked to wear a chip on his shoulder, just wore out everyone around him. This, no doubt, included and number of players. (This may be the reason "damaged goods" Perlman was selected over Buzz at Auburn.)
The sad part is that Brent had a great pitch - a really believable pitch. Unfortunately, by making the jump the way he did, to the place he did, he impeached the credibility of his pitch and of him as a person. He became just another coach with a now trite angle.
Trust Wojo. A bevvy of top 100 recruits doesn't win you games. MU has had plenty of those in recent years, such as Juan, that are role players at best. Let Wojo put together a TEAM.
I'm wondering where this is coming from. We offer one 2 star...who is the top rated player in wisconsin and Freeport Warrior (who has proven that he knows his stuff when it comes to the Wisconsin HS basketball scene) says has enough talent to be a top 100 player...and suddenly the sky is falling? The two Wojo offered before Hauser are both in the ESPN top 100. He has also visited a couple of 5 stars.
Or is it because Wojo is offering white players? In which case, why are you assuming they are good students?
Settle down folks, let's at least let Wojo coach a game before we start rushing to judgements
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on June 18, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Talk about a culture change and a much needed one for a program with 8 straight NCAA tournaments and 3 straight Sweet 16's, a high graduation rate and a bevy of NBA players.
Too bad Larry Williams couldn't have weathered the storm as Coach Wojo would have been a perfect fit for his ego and his dream of having true student athletes that all carry a minimum 3.0 GPA to stay eligible on the team. I'm confident this bunch will represent the school so well in their 2016 NIT birth.
Hopefully we can next entice a couple "sleepers" from Sheboygan with offers that just last week had coaches from Beloit College looking at them in case they didn't get Div I offers from UW-Stevens Point and Winona State.
Don't worry Coach Wojo about next year however with your roster of 8 top 100 players coming out of high school (Juan, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Taylor Jr., JJJ, Carlino & Cohen).....the board already has it labeled as a rebuilding year so don't worry about wins and NCAA tournaments until you get your kind of player in place by 2016. By then we'll get that NIT at large birth and our squeaky clean program will be the delight of the big donors who rather have have image over victories.
Nothing like a racist post against white basketball players to stir up the summer doldrums.
respect the process
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on June 18, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Don't worry Coach Wojo about next year however with your roster of 8 top 100 players coming out of high school (Juan, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Taylor Jr., JJJ, Carlino & Cohen).....the board already has it labeled as a rebuilding year so don't worry about wins and NCAA tournaments until you get your kind of player in place by 2016.
This board has the 2014-2015 season labeled as a rebuilding year? I know I'm not on Scoop nearly as often over the summer, but I've seen zero to indicate that. In fact, from a personal standpoint, I'm pretty optimistic about next season.
Quote from: windyplayer on June 19, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
This board has the 2014-2015 season labeled as a rebuilding year? I know I'm not on Scoop nearly as often over the summer, but I've seen zero to indicate that. In fact, from a personal standpoint, I'm pretty optimistic about next season.
There's a ton of talent but us being undersized and transitioning into a new system isn't going to be pretty. I'm optimistic for a rebound but not a rebound to the NCAA tournament.
Really? I know we are in the middle of summer, but are we really this bored? Come on people.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 19, 2014, 09:39:40 AM
There's a ton of talent but us being undersized and transitioning into a new system isn't going to be pretty. I'm optimistic for a rebound but not a rebound to the NCAA tournament.
The fundamentals of the offense aren't that much different than Buzz's. They'll play 4 out a lot, run a lot of motion, but the emphasis will be on spacing rather than paint touches. Defensively, they'll need more work, especially when it comes to closing out. Hated the way Buzz taught defense, so I'm looking forward to (hopefully) better results.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on June 18, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Talk about a culture change and a much needed one for a program with 8 straight NCAA tournaments and 3 straight Sweet 16's, that didn't even make the NIT despite having NCAA caliber talent and was picked to win the BE.
FIFY
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 19, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
The fundamentals of the offense aren't that much different than Buzz's. They'll play 4 out a lot, run a lot of motion, but the emphasis will be on spacing rather than paint touches. Defensively, they'll need more work, especially when it comes to closing out. Hated the way Buzz taught defense, so I'm looking forward to (hopefully) better results.
While I'd like to agree with this, we haven't even seen his offense yet. I mean we need to see if the players can really buy into it and everything.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 19, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
While I'd like to agree with this, we haven't even seen his offense yet. I mean we need to see if the players can really buy into it and everything.
I'm going under the assumption it will be similar to what Duke runs. Which when run effectively spaces the floor, provides driving lanes, and ends up with a good amount of corner threes. I don't think you'll find a lot of guys who won't buy into that.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 19, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
While I'd like to agree with this, we haven't even seen his offense yet. I mean we need to see if the players can really buy into it and everything.
Right, we haven't seen it yet.
So what definitive evidence do you have to declare that the "transition into a new system isn't going to be pretty"?
Rush to judgment---how appropriate.
Quote from: Daniel on June 18, 2014, 11:52:55 PM
I think we need to give Wojo at least 90 days before the surrender flag goes up.
Wow! That's tougher than Chicos' five year assessment period to evaluate a coach.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 19, 2014, 12:26:13 PM
Right, we haven't seen it yet.
So what definitive evidence do you have to declare that the "transition into a new system isn't going to be pretty"?
Well why do freshmen usually need time to develop? Plenty of times the argument is "they need time to get adjusted to the system" same reason we all thought last year was gonna be amazing, because we had loads of experience who all knew the system (turns out it was a pretty poor system). Not saying it can't be pretty by the time the season comes along, especially since now there's summer practice that there wasn't before. But in the end we have all but two players and one red shirt who have spent time studying other movements that need to be forgotten or adapted.
Your user name continues to be the an awesome example of truth in advertising.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on June 18, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Talk about a culture change and a much needed one for a program with 8 straight NCAA tournaments and 3 straight Sweet 16's, a high graduation rate and a bevy of NBA players.
Too bad Larry Williams couldn't have weathered the storm as Coach Wojo would have been a perfect fit for his ego and his dream of having true student athletes that all carry a minimum 3.0 GPA to stay eligible on the team. I'm confident this bunch will represent the school so well in their 2016 NIT birth.
Hopefully we can next entice a couple "sleepers" from Sheboygan with offers that just last week had coaches from Beloit College looking at them in case they didn't get Div I offers from UW-Stevens Point and Winona State.
Don't worry Coach Wojo about next year however with your roster of 8 top 100 players coming out of high school (Juan, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Taylor Jr., JJJ, Carlino & Cohen).....the board already has it labeled as a rebuilding year so don't worry about wins and NCAA tournaments until you get your kind of player in place by 2016. By then we'll get that NIT at large birth and our squeaky clean program will be the delight of the big donors who rather have have image over victories.
Wojo is trying to build an in state presence and he is also looking at guys who can shoot well. He has a whole bunch of young guys who are athletic on the team already, so the mix of the two should be pretty powerful.
Not one game played and we already know the outcome of the future of MU BB based on some very scientific research. Impressive.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on June 18, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Talk about a culture change and a much needed one for a program with 8 straight NCAA tournaments and 3 straight Sweet 16's, a high graduation rate and a bevy of NBA players.
Too bad Larry Williams couldn't have weathered the storm as Coach Wojo would have been a perfect fit for his ego and his dream of having true student athletes that all carry a minimum 3.0 GPA to stay eligible on the team. I'm confident this bunch will represent the school so well in their 2016 NIT birth.
Hopefully we can next entice a couple "sleepers" from Sheboygan with offers that just last week had coaches from Beloit College looking at them in case they didn't get Div I offers from UW-Stevens Point and Winona State.
Don't worry Coach Wojo about next year however with your roster of 8 top 100 players coming out of high school (Juan, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Taylor Jr., JJJ, Carlino & Cohen).....the board already has it labeled as a rebuilding year so don't worry about wins and NCAA tournaments until you get your kind of player in place by 2016. By then we'll get that NIT at large birth and our squeaky clean program will be the delight of the big donors who rather have have image over victories.
Douchebag.
The only rebuttal this troll deserves.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 19, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
Well why do freshmen usually need time to develop? Plenty of times the argument is "they need time to get adjusted to the system" same reason we all thought last year was gonna be amazing, because we had loads of experience who all knew the system (turns out it was a pretty poor system). Not saying it can't be pretty by the time the season comes along, especially since now there's summer practice that there wasn't before. But in the end we have all but two players and one red shirt who have spent time studying other movements that need to be forgotten or adapted.
So, you have no clue just like everybody else. It's basketball. Not deciphering nuclear codes.
And the reason incoming Freshmen take time to adjust is due to a step up in quality, speed, and athleticism of their opponents from the high school level. Your analogy doesn't work very well considering all but two Marquette players have played Division I basketball.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 19, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
Well why do freshmen usually need time to develop? Plenty of times the argument is "they need time to get adjusted to the system" same reason we all thought last year was gonna be amazing, because we had loads of experience who all knew the system (turns out it was a pretty poor system).
I never thought last year was going to "be amazing." 3 of the starting 5 from the year before was being replaced, and all three didn't have a replacement that was better. That's not "the system's" fault. They were overrated.
I'm looking more and more like a prophet with each Wojo commitment.
Pretty sooner Creighton will look more urban than us.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 01, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
I'm looking more and more like a prophet with each Wojo commitment.
You are also looking more and more like a douchebag.
Eat sh!t and die.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 01, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
I'm looking more and more like a prophet with each Wojo commitment.
Pretty sooner Creighton will look more urban than us.
I'll wait to see how they play. Last year, Creighton won the Big East. Wisconsin went to the Final Four. Seems to me, the success of a team is how well the players play together and how good they are collectively. Seems like you and ThatDude are having a few concerns the last few weeks on other factors.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 01, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
I'll wait to see how they play. Last year, Creighton won the Big East. Wisconsin went to the Final Four. Seems to me, the success of a team is how well the players play together and how good they are collectively. Seems like you and ThatDude are having a few concerns the last few weeks on other factors.
I agree. Let's wait and see. Hope anyone committed to being a Warrior is a huge success. The only thing worse than complaining about guys we haven't seen, though, is complaining about guys we have seen (low basketball IQs, bad shooters, non traditional, too JUCO, choking dogs, etc.) who are really, really good - you know, S16, E8, Big East regular season championship good. But no MU fan would ever do that...
you can't play the way wojo described he wants to with a team that isn't athletic, so either he's full of crap, already scrapped his initial plan, or he feels a few role players with special skills fit nicely. as much fun as message boards can be...all we can judge the guy on is wins vs. loses, and the way all the people in the program carry themselves. i'd have no problem recruiting kids that some on here (out of ignorance) would refer to as thugs, but they wouldn't be thugs when they set foot on my campus. buzz lost me a bit in that area...it was a fine line between a mentor and a bobby huggins...that friendship always bothered me a bit.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 01, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
you can't play the way wojo described he wants to with a team that isn't athletic, so either he's full of crap, already scrapped his initial plan, or he feels a few role players with special skills fit nicely. as much fun as message boards can be...all we can judge the guy on is wins vs. loses, and the way all the people in the program carry themselves. i'd have no problem recruiting kids that some on here (out of ignorance) would refer to as thugs, but they wouldn't be thugs when they set foot on my campus. buzz lost me a bit in that area...it was a fine line between a mentor and a bobby huggins...that friendship always bothered me a bit.
Mike Deane was good buds with Hugs, not Buzz. His pal at Cincy is Mick Cronin.
Never understood this boards fascination with race. Does it make a difference if we are recruiting a lumbering big guy like Dudley compared to this other lumbering center? The player is a borderline top 100. You sign him if you get the chance. You definitely don't want him headlining your class but there is plenty of room on this for a 6'11" guy that can shoot.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 01, 2014, 01:24:18 PM
I agree. Let's wait and see. Hope anyone committed to being a Warrior is a huge success. The only thing worse than complaining about guys we haven't seen, though, is complaining about guys we have seen (low basketball IQs, bad shooters, non traditional, too JUCO, choking dogs, etc.) who are really, really good - you know, S16, E8, Big East regular season championship good, NBA good. But no MU fan would ever do that...
Ha - only thing I would add, otherwise very well played.
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 02, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
I think this is a smart move on Wojo's part, nothing but upside for the University. Wally gets a chance to practice with the team this year and develop. It makes it possible to get his brother Henry and even if we don't, It may be entirely possible that MU will use a track and field scholarship on him in the 15-16 and 16-17 season. Also remember, If this young man ends up making the US Olympic team, He will be listed as from Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 02, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
So you don't want Henry Ellenson at MU?
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 02, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
Seriously, stop trolling and go back to your Badger board.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 02, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
I seriously hope that you do not claim to be a Marquette fan, student or alum.
Quote from: Texas Western on July 02, 2014, 01:44:51 PM
It may be entirely possible that MU will use a track and field scholarship on him in the 15-16 and 16-17 season.
They can't do that if he's on the basketball team, can they? My recollection is that under NCAA rules there is a hierarchy of sports, and that an athlete's scholarship always counts against the highest sport in which he participates. Football is at the top of that list, and basketball is second. So, if he's on the basketball team and the track team, his scholarship will be charged against basketball.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Hell, someone will probably "correct" me even if I'm right...this is Scoop, after all.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on July 02, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
And add another wasted scholarship to Wally!
Apparently we can only try to get star players on scholarship if we offer their entire family free college.
Word is out that Wojo is making MU all white and other schools will play that against us if we try to recruit players we had under Buzz.
What a complete disaster hire....making Marquette into a MCC program again.
The word is out? LOL. He's going after players that fits his system, which includes kids that can shoot the ball. Asian, white, black, hispanic, I don't think he gives a rip, can you lace them up and play his brand of ball.
I've often been on this board not thrilled with taking the great athlete over the great basketball player WHEN the great athlete is lacking in some of the core traditional fundamentals of basketball. I appreciate the value of athleticism, of course....it is needed and a must, but there is an awful lot to say about a kid that is fundamentally sound, can shoot the ball well, hit his free throws, plays position defense, boxes out, understand angles, etc. Landing kids that can do all these things is ideal.
Ok, I was actually amused by the Sultan's post. Do you have to agree with everything he says? No. Do I agree with everything he says? No. Some posters have asked him to be banned and as of right now and that has happened but really, does it have to come to that? A guy can't come to this board and say what he believes whether you agree with it or not. I know the Sultan, he tends to go off on the deep end sometimes to make a point. I too have asked him to delay the evaluation of Wojo at least until the team actually plays. In reality, a better evaluation is probably going to take a year or two.
Banning the Sultan because he says that Wojo is turning the team white is about as ridiculous as his accusation. I mean who didn't actually laugh when they saw the picture he attached and if you didn't laugh, who didn't at least smile when they saw it.
Come on, it's July. The season is more than 3 months away.
Oh, and in a couple of days, when we all are enjoying the 4th of July and celebrating the 238th consecutive year that people have been allowed to express an opinion without retribution, think about the Sultan.
I heard that sultan is actually an illegal immigrant who loves Obama and the Taliban. He is personal friends with the traitor soldier and believes that all working people should be taxed more so he can d*ck around all day... he blames the USA for all the worlds problems and he deserves reparations............
That should get you reinstated by the left wing commies who run the board sultan.