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Interesting discussion topic. For me, Durant definitely is the 3. I think I'd take Shaq at the 5. Duncan definitely at the 4. Jordan at the 2 and I kind of like Stockton at the 1. I'm a big fan of pure point guards. If Jordan wasn't so good I'd be tempted to go with Magic at the 1, Wade at the 2, Durant at the 3, Duncan at the 4, and Russell at the 5.
I am a big believer that Duncan is head and shoulders the best PF to ever play the game. He's a steal for me. Shaq at $2 is also a steal, but it's hard to argue with the 3 above him. Top 2 PGs are, in my opinion, at a level above the next 3. I'd be tempted to switch Kobe and Jerry West, and would definitely switch Wade and Clyde, but Jordan is clearly head and shoulders above any other SG. SF you could interchange basically any of the top 4, and it would've been interesting to see Pippen in his prime where he was the key piece of a team.
My $15 roster would be
PG Oscar Robertson $4
SG Michael Jordan $5
SF Kevin Durant $2
PF Tim Duncan $3
C Hakeem Olajuwon $1
I think Hakeem for $1 is a steal and don't see any combinations that would top my team ;D
This is pretty cool. I'd go Stockton, Jordan, James, KG and Hakeem...and have $1 left over. (I'm not "upgrading" the PG with Isiah because you already have plenty of offense...I think KG is better than Dirk...and Shaq would clog the lane too much with MJ and LBJ.)
Although I must admit Magic & Durant might be a better combo than Stockton & James. But it's close.
Some of these guys are underpriced (Duncan is way better than Malone or Barkley), and some are overpriced (Dr. J is in no way shape or form better than Durant). I think the center position has a ton of bargains.
Jordan, James, Kareem
3 on 5 and they'd still win
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 28, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
My $15 roster would be
PG Oscar Robertson $4
SG Michael Jordan $5
SF Kevin Durant $2
PF Tim Duncan $3
C Hakeem Olajuwon $1
I think Hakeem for $1 is a steal and don't see any combinations that would top my team ;D
agree
MJ would be the shortest at 6'6", all the other 6'9" and above with range.
Magic: $5
MJ: $5
Durant: $2
Dirk: $2
The Dream: $1
All in their primes?
I go:
Magic $5
Wade $1
LeBron $5
Duncan $3
Hakeem $1
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 28, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
My $15 roster would be
PG Oscar Robertson $4
SG Michael Jordan $5
SF Kevin Durant $2
PF Tim Duncan $3
C Hakeem Olajuwon $1
I think Hakeem for $1 is a steal and don't see any combinations that would top my team ;D
I could see going with Shaq for $1 more than Hakeem simply because Shaq knows all 20 of Hakeem's moves. Otherwise, you're pissing money away with Kareem, Russell, and Chamberlain
I know it's not the most sexy, but this team would be ridiculous on the defensive end.
Stockton $2
Jordan $5
Lebron $5
KG $1
Hakeem $1
It has enough scoring, but probably not enough jump shooting to spread the floor.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 28, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
I know it's not the most sexy, but this team would be ridiculous on the defensive end.
Stockton $2
Jordan $5
Lebron $5
KG $1
Hakeem $1
It has enough scoring, but probably not enough jump shooting to spread the floor.
I actually like that team better than mine from a shooting perspective. KG can hit the midrange J and Stockton can drain an open 3, of which there would be plenty available on that team.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 28, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
I know it's not the most sexy, but this team would be ridiculous on the defensive end.
Stockton $2
Jordan $5
Lebron $5
KG $1
Hakeem $1
It has enough scoring, but probably not enough jump shooting to spread the floor.
Great minds...
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 28, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
I know it's not the most sexy, but this team would be ridiculous on the defensive end.
Stockton $2
Jordan $5
Lebron $5
KG $1
Hakeem $1
It has enough scoring, but probably not enough jump shooting to spread the floor.
This is what I came up with and a co-worker did the same with no discussion.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 28, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
Great minds...
With this team, you could go under and switch a lot of pick&Roll and not lose a thing. Also, Stockton was not only great at P&R on the offensive end, but he was a really good defender in his prime.
If you really want to get weird, imagine that team playing a zone and allowing them to improvise a little bit.
Offensively, you'd have to find some ways to create space, and that would be a challenge. Stockton, Jordan and Lebron are all best with the ball, so you'd have to find ways to keep the ball moving the the floor spread out.
I'd have to go with:
Oscar Robertson: $4
Michael Jordan: $5
Kevin Durant: $2
Tim Duncan: $3
Hakeem Olajuwon: $1
Hakeem is a steal for a buck!
Magic $5
Jordan $5
Pippen $1
Duncan $3
Olajuwon $1
All around clutch players, chemistry at 2 and 3, complete court vision at 1 and 3, and defensive juggernauts at 2 thru 5 with a long point guard, the ultimate finisher at 2. Unbeatable in any series.
Olajuwon at $1 makes no sense.
If you want to take this to the existential, I don't think you would want to put Jordan and James on the same team... sure, you might have the two greatest individual players of all time, but would they play well with each other? Who gets to take the winning shot in Game 7? Who gets front billing on the team poster? Whose shoes does the team wear? Who gets to drive the golf cart? How's MJ going to feel about his teammate flopping like a flounder on the floor?
Too much risk, IMO, to put those egos together on the same floor. I think you're better off with either MJ-Bird or LBJ-Kobe than MJ-LBJ... you're going to want a combination where there isn't going to be pressure on one-upping your teammate.
I don't think LBJ has near the ego that MJ...or Kobe...has. I think they would actually complement one another quite well.
Frazier $1
Wade $1
LeBron $5
Barkley $4
Russell $4
Quote from: Benny B on May 28, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
If you want to take this to the existential, I don't think you would want to put Jordan and James on the same team... sure, you might have the two greatest individual players of all time, but would they play well with each other? Who gets to take the winning shot in Game 7? Who gets front billing on the team poster? Whose shoes does the team wear? Who gets to drive the golf cart? How's MJ going to feel about his teammate flopping like a flounder on the floor?
Too much risk, IMO, to put those egos together on the same floor. I think you're better off with either MJ-Bird or LBJ-Kobe than MJ-LBJ... you're going to want a combination where there isn't going to be pressure on one-upping your teammate.
The dream teams have worked out pretty well
I spent way more time than I should have, but I took the full-career WS48 for each player and then made a quick optimization model.
The best team possible regardless of salary is:
C Chamberlain
PF Barkley
PG Magic
SF Lebron
SG Jordan
The total salary is $22. The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.182 (which is as impossible as assembling this team).
The best team I could find with the salary constraints is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Duncan $3 0.211
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Durant $2 0.205
SG Jordan $5 0.25
The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.123.
Runner up is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Nowitzki $2 0.208
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Lebron $5 0.243
SG West $3 0.213
With a combined WS48 of 1.121
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 28, 2014, 03:42:42 PM
I spent way more time than I should have, but I took the full-career WS48 for each player and then made a quick optimization model.
The best team possible regardless of salary is:
C Chamberlain
PF Barkley
PG Magic
SF Lebron
SG Jordan
The total salary is $22. The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.182 (which is as impossible as assembling this team).
The best team I could find with the salary constraints is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Duncan $3 0.211
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Durant $2 0.205
SG Jordan $5 0.25
The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.123.
Runner up is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Nowitzki $2 0.208
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Lebron $5 0.243
SG West $3 0.213
With a combined WS48 of 1.121
Looks like my team but I wanted a Seroogy peanut butter candy bar so I took Shaq at center and spent my saved dollar on my appetite. And I didn't do all the nerdy number finding (kidding).
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 28, 2014, 03:42:42 PM
I spent way more time than I should have, but I took the full-career WS48 for each player and then made a quick optimization model.
The best team possible regardless of salary is:
C Chamberlain
PF Barkley
PG Magic
SF Lebron
SG Jordan
The total salary is $22. The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.182 (which is as impossible as assembling this team).
The best team I could find with the salary constraints is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Duncan $3 0.211
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Durant $2 0.205
SG Jordan $5 0.25
The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.123.
Runner up is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Nowitzki $2 0.208
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Lebron $5 0.243
SG West $3 0.213
With a combined WS48 of 1.121
Ha awesome. I actually thought about doing this, thanks for saving me the time
1: Magic $5
2: Jordan $5
3: Durant $2
4: Nowitzki $2
5: Hakeem $1
It has recently been made clear to me that it is a guards' game. Spend your money there.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 28, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
Looks like my team but I wanted a Seroogy peanut butter candy bar so I took Shaq at center and spent my saved dollar on my appetite. And I didn't do all the nerdy number finding (kidding).
mmmm.....Seroogy's
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 28, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
This is pretty cool. I'd go Stockton, Jordan, James, KG and Hakeem...and have $1 left over. (I'm not "upgrading" the PG with Isiah because you already have plenty of offense...I think KG is better than Dirk...and Shaq would clog the lane too much with MJ and LBJ.)
Although I must admit Magic & Durant might be a better combo than Stockton & James. But it's close.
Some of these guys are underpriced (Duncan is way better than Malone or Barkley), and some are overpriced (Dr. J is in no way shape or form better than Durant). I think the center position has a ton of bargains.
The only thing Durant does better than Julius did is shoot the 3. Julius had the ballhandling skills and passing ability of a PG, was a powerful player around the rim, was a far superior rebounder, was a good defender and was a natural scorer.
I'm not saying Durant isn't a better "value" in this little fantasy team exercise, but if you think Durant is head and shoulders above Julius, I'm wondering if you ever really saw Julius play ... especially his years in the ABA, when he was a revelation. A great clutch player, too.
Jordan often said that when he grew up, he wanted to be the next Dr. J.
Quote from: Benny B on May 28, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
If you want to take this to the existential, I don't think you would want to put Jordan and James on the same team... sure, you might have the two greatest individual players of all time, but would they play well with each other? Who gets to take the winning shot in Game 7? Who gets front billing on the team poster? Whose shoes does the team wear? Who gets to drive the golf cart? How's MJ going to feel about his teammate flopping like a flounder on the floor?
Too much risk, IMO, to put those egos together on the same floor. I think you're better off with either MJ-Bird or LBJ-Kobe than MJ-LBJ... you're going to want a combination where there isn't going to be pressure on one-upping your teammate.
James would defer to Jordan without a problem. Hell, James often defers to Bosh, Wade and even Allen in clutch situations. James obviously can take over games, but he often is quite content being a Magic or Pippen type who makes others around him better. Jordan wants and needs the ball. They'd play together fine. They certainly would play every bit as well together as Kobe and LeBron. Kobe is the exact same player as Jordan ... except not quite as good.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 28, 2014, 08:15:08 PM
1: Magic $5
2: Jordan $5
3: Durant $2
4: Nowitzki $2
5: Hakeem $1
It has recently been made clear to me that it is a guards' game. Spend your money there.
I knew I always liked you, great minds chief.
LeBron $5
Magic $5
Duncan $3
Wade $1
Hakeem $1
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 28, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
I know it's not the most sexy, but this team would be ridiculous on the defensive end.
Stockton $2
Jordan $5
Lebron $5
KG $1
Hakeem $1
It has enough scoring, but probably not enough jump shooting to spread the floor.
That's my list as well. There's a dollar left, so I add Scottie off the bench
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 28, 2014, 03:42:42 PM
I spent way more time than I should have, but I took the full-career WS48 for each player and then made a quick optimization model.
The best team possible regardless of salary is:
C Chamberlain
PF Barkley
PG Magic
SF Lebron
SG Jordan
The total salary is $22. The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.182 (which is as impossible as assembling this team).
The best team I could find with the salary constraints is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Duncan $3 0.211
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Durant $2 0.205
SG Jordan $5 0.25
The team would have a combined WS48 of 1.123.
Runner up is:
C Chamberlain $3 0.248
PF Nowitzki $2 0.208
PG Stockton $2 0.209
SF Lebron $5 0.243
SG West $3 0.213
With a combined WS48 of 1.121
Hank, not sure if you still have the model set up, just wondering what the optimizer spits out if you enter in each player's single best WS48 season, or best three year average, or whatever metric would be a good proxy for "peak" level performance. Would be interesting to see if it changes at all when instead of career numbers you take guys all in the hypothetical prime of their careers.