...because apparently the one he has sucks. ESPN is at it again:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball)
Old Myron baby lost all credibility when he said MU plays at the Cell.
How much does TV revenue impact Marquette's ability to continue spending the amount they do on the basketball team?
Quote from: IL Warrior on May 27, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
...because apparently the one he has sucks. ESPN is at it again:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball)
ESPN is at what again? They list three ACC and three B10 jobs.
But how does ESPN let this get out with complete inaccuracies?
"But the top local athletes would choose Wisconsin over Marquette in most situations."
Really? Because that hasn't proven itself to be accurate.
"And the Golden Eagles are residents of a Big East that lacks the lucrative TV deal that the old Big East commanded."
That is wrong. 100% wrong.
"Add the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball."
Wrong.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on May 27, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
How much does TV revenue impact Marquette's ability to continue spending the amount they do on the basketball team?
They have more revenue with the Fox contract than they did the previous one.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 27, 2014, 09:52:08 AM
Old Myron baby lost all credibility when he said MU plays at the Cell.
And, it was just announced that the Arena will have new naming rights and will no longer be the Cell. Maybe they'll name it the "Old Milwaukee" Arena... :P
This is one of the most pathetic articles I've ever read, absolutely terrible
Last time I checked Vander, Duane, Burton, Fischer, and Noskoviak all chose MU over Wisconsin
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 27, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
ESPN is at what again? They list three ACC and three B10 jobs.
But how does ESPN let this get out with complete inaccuracies?
"But the top local athletes would choose Wisconsin over Marquette in most situations."
Really? Because that hasn't proven itself to be accurate.
"And the Golden Eagles are residents of a Big East that lacks the lucrative TV deal that the old Big East commanded."
That is wrong. 100% wrong.
"Add the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball."
Wrong.
Doing exactly what they always do. Print stories where most of the "facts" are wrong. The entire argument against MU is based in 3 incorrect facts. And he conveniently left out that we play in an NBA arena in front of a top-20 attendance, and are consistent NCAA tournament participants (last year didn't happen). MU pays its head coach as well or better than any comparable coach/institution (the tier immediately below Duke/K, UK/Cal, MSU/Izzo, Louisville/Pitino, KU/Self, etc). Sounds like a good job to me.
I'm going to take this point by point
I grew up in Milwaukee. Probably the only part of this that is true
Everyone in the area recognizes Marquette as a school with high academic standards and an occasionally impressive basketball program. 8 straight NCAA appearances, top 10 appearances all time
But the top local athletes would choose Wisconsin over Marquette in most situations. Wisconsin gets its fair share of recruits, but so does Marquette. Claiming Wisconsin gets "most" just isn't true, take a look at Travis Diener, Wes Matthews, Vander Blue, etc. etc.
The Chicago kids that a successful Marquette coach has to pursue have a multitude of options, too. Where? DePaul? Northwestern?
The city has a lot to offer but the area that surrounds the campus doesn't showcase the highs. Campus is a 10 minute walk from downtown Milwaukee and the NBA arena where MU plays
And the Golden Eagles are residents of a Big East that lacks the lucrative TV deal that the old Big East commanded. Marquette has much more lucrative TV deal in the NBE than the old BE
That's a problem for a Marquette team that spends significantly more per participant than any other Big East school. The Golden Eagles could use more cash. We generate more cash than 99% of NCAA Division 1 basketball programs
The private university is wrestling with financial problems. Since when?
And it's in the middle of a messy transitional period within its administrative ranks. Partially true, but the most important piece, University President, has been put into place
The new regime could create academic barriers that might affect Steve Wojciechowski's recruiting plans. Don't see any sign of that, this is a hypothetical that was pulled out of thin air
Add the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball. MU plays in the Bradley Center
All about generating clicks, he'll at least accomplish that. Terribly written entry, and he also screwed up Florida State's arena. Maybe that's why he doesn't think much of the Marquette and FSU jobs. Every time they assign him to cover the game he shows up in the wrong building.
I'm a Butler fan, and even with the administration situation, Marquette's still one of, if not the best jobs in the Big East.
Marquette is a bad job but DEPAUL only gets honorable mention? Hilarious!
This is the same clown who ranked Marquette 16th of the 2013 Sweet 16 teams, behind LaSalle and FCGU. Maybe Rick Majerus took a hot dog from his as a kid or something.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/page/expertMedcalf130325/2013-ncaa-tournament-how-selection-committee-reseed-sweet-16
What part of Milwaukee did he live in? The lake? Horrible article, plus his writing skills are terrible. Thanks MYRON!!!! Your not welcome back in Milwaukee.
This is just beyond pathetic trolling.
Quote from: Celtic Truth on May 27, 2014, 10:03:33 AM
Last time I checked Vander, Duane, Burton, Fischer, and Noskoviak all chose MU over Wisconsin
Don't forget Wes and Maymon.
This is just shameful. The Badger trolls make more factual statements about MU.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 27, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
I'm going to take this point by point
The private university is wrestling with financial problems. Since when?
And it's in the middle of a messy transitional period within its administrative ranks. Partially true, but the most important piece, University President, has been put into place
I agree most of the article is bunk. He is correct though, the University has been cutting costs and does have budget issues. That is not a secret.
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on May 27, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
plus his writing skills are terrible. Thanks MYRON!!!! Your not welcome back in Milwaukee.
There's some irony in this
All Scoopers on Twitter need to tell Metcalf (@MedcalfByESPN) his articles sucks!
Quote from: keefe on May 27, 2014, 11:04:13 AM
There's some irony in this
Your/You're, their/there/they're, it's/its, our/are, etc. I'll never understand what's so difficult to grasp about these distinctions. It's third grade grammar.
That being said, if I ever see him in Milwaukee I'll surely tell MYRON to GTFO!!!!
Quote from: 79Warrior on May 27, 2014, 11:03:33 AM
I agree most of the article is bunk. He is correct though, the University has been cutting costs and does have budget issues. That is not a secret.
Isn't that true of every single university in the United States?
How is Marquette's situation unique in that it makes it a bad job?
Is Marquette a bad job? Does ESPN have editors?Myron Medcalf wrote a thing on bad coaching jobs for ESPN today and threw Marquette in there. I bit, as I had never heard anyone say MU was a bad coaching job, and wanted to see the logic behind it. There wasn't any. No, seriously, this piece makes Mike Hunt's blog posts look like Pulitzer [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=painttouches.com&blog=28348875&post=11855&subd=painttouches&ref=&feed=1" width="1" height="1" />
Source: Is Marquette a bad job? Does ESPN have editors? (http://painttouches.com/2014/05/27/is-marquette-a-bad-job-does-espn-have-editors/)
Scoopers have already ripped Myron a new one.
What a joke. Even when I tried to take off my blue and gold goggles to see his side none of his "facts" are true. Its just made up and again shows ESPN's anti-Big East bias.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on May 27, 2014, 11:08:40 AM
All Scoopers on Twitter need to tell Metcalf (@MedcalfByESPN) his articles sucks!
wrong - take it to ESPN's complaint receptacle - why give Medcalf the Twitter boost
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index
"The Golden Eagles could use more cash"
Lol - I guess it would be nice to move in front of UCLA, Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, and Louisville, but having the #6 basketball budget ain't bad. That number alone should have removed MU from any consideration on this list.
The article is bad, but not as bad as the title to this topic. Before reading, I thought the poster wanted to get rid of Wojo.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on May 27, 2014, 11:53:06 AM
wrong - take it to ESPN's complaint receptacle - why give Medcalf the Twitter boost
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index
I wonder if anybody even looks at these. Although if we get enough of scoops members to complain they have to take a look at it, right?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 27, 2014, 11:13:42 AM
Isn't that true of every single university in the United States?
How is Marquette's situation unique in that it makes it a bad job?
Private Universities have no tax dollars to fall back on. That is why fundraising is critical.
By the way, I do not agree with his assessment that MU is a bad job. The athletic department is fortunate to have some big donors who make the basketball budget happen. That has nothing to do with the financials of the overall University.
it must have been edited some, it no longer has
QuoteAdd the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball.
Send him a polite email (I mean it, be polite)
mmedcalf3030@gmail.com
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 01:05:32 PM
Send him a polite email (I mean it, be polite)
mmedcalf3030@gmail.com
I sent him an e-mail. It was polite.
He's already pulled out the Cell comment. Although he did it without acknowledging the correction. Comments on TV deal that are wrong remain.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 27, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
I'm going to take this point by point
I grew up in Milwaukee. Probably the only part of this that is true
Everyone in the area recognizes Marquette as a school with high academic standards and an occasionally impressive basketball program. 8 straight NCAA appearances, top 10 appearances all time
But the top local athletes would choose Wisconsin over Marquette in most situations. Wisconsin gets its fair share of recruits, but so does Marquette. Claiming Wisconsin gets "most" just isn't true, take a look at Travis Diener, Wes Matthews, Vander Blue, etc. etc.
The Chicago kids that a successful Marquette coach has to pursue have a multitude of options, too. Where? DePaul? Northwestern?
The city has a lot to offer but the area that surrounds the campus doesn't showcase the highs. Campus is a 10 minute walk from downtown Milwaukee and the NBA arena where MU plays
And the Golden Eagles are residents of a Big East that lacks the lucrative TV deal that the old Big East commanded. Marquette has much more lucrative TV deal in the NBE than the old BE
That's a problem for a Marquette team that spends significantly more per participant than any other Big East school. The Golden Eagles could use more cash. We generate more cash than 99% of NCAA Division 1 basketball programs
The private university is wrestling with financial problems. Since when?
And it's in the middle of a messy transitional period within its administrative ranks. Partially true, but the most important piece, University President, has been put into place
The new regime could create academic barriers that might affect Steve Wojciechowski's recruiting plans. Don't see any sign of that, this is a hypothetical that was pulled out of thin air
Add the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball. MU plays in the Bradley Center
I agree with all of your retorts aside from your suggestion that Chicago kids have no other choices beyond DePaul and Northwestern. Not only are there plenty of other choices within a couple of hours -- most notably Notre Dame and Illinois -- but Chicago is recruited nationally by every program worth a damn. Duke, Michigan State, Kansas ... you name it, the big boys have come in and mined Chicago pretty hard. So yes, elite Chicago kids have LOTS of choices beyond DePaul, NW ... and Marquette.
Here's what he had to say re: the TV money stuff:
TWITTER TRACKER!!
https://twitter.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/471344107919777793
"Nah. Worth more in old Big East. Check 2011 deal that Big East rejected."
His argument: MU is getting less money now than the money they didn't get in a deal that was never signed. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't separate the non-football revenue, which would have still been less than what FOX is ponying up now, the idea that his whole financial analysis is based on hypothetical situations underlies just how little thought went into the whole thing.
Is MU a bad Job? I do not know, but MU has hired 4 assistants to fill the last 5 head coach openings. Only the experienced head coach was fired. The last three assistants left to take other head coaching jobs.
oof dah.
Myron should just retreat while he'd behind.
Myron,
I forgive you for you either have no objectivity or abstract reasoning capabilities. You may wish to take up writing novels or cartoons. That way you do not need to worry about facts or reality.
Quote from: pux90mex on May 27, 2014, 01:40:03 PM
Here's what he had to say re: the TV money stuff:
"Nah. Worth more in old Big East. Check 2011 deal that Big East rejected."
His argument: MU is getting less money now than the money they didn't get in a deal that was never signed. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't separate the non-football revenue, which would have still been less than what FOX is ponying up now, the idea that his whole financial analysis is based on hypothetical situations underlies just how little thought went into the whole thing.
He deserves a....
(http://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/63031_1485605577335_1149750185_32371760_7271009_n.jpg)
What would be great if Wojo came out with a statement or a tweet saying something how great the Marquette jobs is.
Looking at the comments on ESPN's website, about the only fan base not pissed off is Minnesota. I'm glad to see the Marquette faithful calling this idiot out for his lack of journalistic ability.
I hate to say it, and I think it is 100 percent wrong (outrageously so) but Buzz is as responsible for this as the writer. I think it's time for Marquette to start leaking details of why he was encouraged to look elsewhere. Buzz is winning the PR game here.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 27, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
I hate to say it, and I think it is 100 percent wrong (outrageously so) but Buzz is as responsible for this as the writer. I think it's time for Marquette to start leaking details of why he was encouraged to look elsewhere. Buzz is winning the PR game here.
Politely disagree.
To the lazy, inept writer, this could be true. It feeds in to the "Well...if Buzz left...there MUST be something wrong with MU because coaching, Big East, TV deal, something something".
But, to those in the know, we/they know this line of BS is just that...it's BS. To call MU a bad job is nothing but laziness and ineptitude. Even Mike Hunt doesn't smell this bad.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 27, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
I hate to say it, and I think it is 100 percent wrong (outrageously so) but Buzz is as responsible for this as the writer. I think it's time for Marquette to start leaking details of why he was encouraged to look elsewhere. Buzz is winning the PR game here.
Could be. The only comment I saw that was "anti-Marquette" (and it wasn't really that just more of a question) was one person asked why Buzz took a pay cut to go to VT. Im pretty sure something or a variety of things happened and I know for sure of one such instance that was frowned upon by people. Its just whether or not these things are leaked or not.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on May 27, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Politely disagree.
To the lazy, inept writer, this could be true. It feeds in to the "Well...if Buzz left...there MUST be something wrong with MU because coaching, Big East, TV deal, something something".
But, to those in the know, we/they know this line of BS is just that...it's BS. To call MU a bad job is nothing but laziness and ineptitude. Even Mike Hunt doesn't smell this bad.
Makes Mike Hunt look Pulitzer Prize worthy.
Seriously, this is going cost us at least one seed line, probably 2. ;)
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 27, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
I hate to say it, and I think it is 100 percent wrong (outrageously so) but Buzz is as responsible for this as the writer. I think it's time for Marquette to start leaking details of why he was encouraged to look elsewhere. Buzz is winning the PR game here.
No. This guy said bad things about MU when Buzz was here. He says he is from Milwaukee, and does a paragraph criticizing MU while slipping in a compliment to UW. The dots are pretty easy to connect.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on May 27, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
What would be great if Wojo came out with a statement or a tweet saying something how great the Marquette jobs is.
Nah. That's what our former 2 coaches did, worried about what people were writing or saying about them on message boards and in inaccurate articles. I'm cool with a coach who doesn't worry about those things.
You have to see the value in the process before you see the value in the recognition. The process has to be the real currency of your life. It's one thing to have just enough to meet your needs, but the real test comes when we get extra. We are tested in our need, but we are also tested in our greed.
I wonder... Would ESPN's ombudsman Respect the Process and check out his factually inaccurate claims about the contracts, even though it may be painful for ESPN to admit that the basketball schools got a better deal in the end?
Quote from: Heavy Gear on May 27, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Looking at the comments on ESPN's website, about the only fan base not pissed off is Minnesota. I'm glad to see the Marquette faithful calling this idiot out for his lack of journalistic ability.
There is not such a thing as journalistic ability. Especially at ESPN, or MSMedia.
If the MU job is so bad then why did coach K encourage Wojo to take the job?
The irony is that it's not THAT hard to make a case that the MU job is "overrated" and due for some struggles.
MU isn't without it's issues if you dig. We all know what they are.
But, he picked on some weird, low hanging fruit, and generalized cliches, and just it didn't work.
Let's review Myron's 2014 NCAA Tournament BOLD Predictions:
1.Iowa State in the Final Four -- Sweet Sixteen (0 for 1)
2.No Big Ten team in Dallas -- UW-Madison in Final Four (0 for 2)
3.Kansas won't reach the Sweet 16 -- Stanford beats KU in Round of 32 (1 for 3)
4.Baylor-Arizona in the Elite Eight -- BU loses to Madison (1 for 4)
5.Cincy home early -- Harvard beats UC (2 for 5)
6.Connecticut loses to St Joe's -- Uh, no (2 for 6)
7.Undefeated Wichita State will be first 1-seed to go -- WSU loses in Round of 32 (3 for 7)
8.North Dakota State advances -- NDSU defeats OU (4 for 8)
9.Saint Joseph's in the Sweet 16 -- Lost to UCONN in first game (4 for 9)
10.Florida will win the national championship ... easily -- Not so easy (4 for 10)
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 27, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
If the MU job is so bad then why did coach K encourage Wojo to take the job?
K cooled on Wojo.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on May 27, 2014, 07:13:25 PM
K cooled on Wojo.
That and it was easier to let him walk than dismiss him for a demonstrated inability to recruit.
What a strange article.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 27, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
Your/You're, their/there/they're, it's/its, our/are, etc. I'll never understand what's so difficult to grasp about these distinctions. It's third grade grammar.
I guess we're not all smart like you.
HAHA, Mark Miller left the first comment and systematically eviscerated everything Medcalf said about MU. Thank you.
I mean this sincerely...
I follow college buckets (not just MU) as much as the next guy. I'm pretty sure I've never heard of Medcalf up until today, and certainly had never read his work.
This article is just weird, in a terrible way. Starting off by saying "I grew up in Milwaukee" is supposed to (I think) build some sort of cred that it's okay for him to have an opinion on MU. Then to get the arena where MU plays wrong...huh? How long has MU played at the Bradley Center, at least 25 years, right? You cover hoops for ESPN (apparently) and you get that wrong? And that's supposed to be one of your final selling points? It's not even being lazy, it's so stupid, it's almost comical. The NCAA tourney is even played in Milwaukee, Bradley Center, where it even says "Marquette University" on the floor.
The Chicago kids comment...wtf? Ask Bruce Weber how well that worked out. Pointing that at Marquette, when DePaul/Northwestern can't sniff those kids, and the damn instate, Big 10 school, can't even get those Top 50 Chicago kids...what the hell is that?
So a school that spends almost as much as anyone on college hoops, has recent success in the tournament, produces NBA talent consistently, plays in an NBA market/arena, has paid it's head coach at/above market value for some time...this is one of the worst jobs in college basketball? Frank Haith just left Mizzou for Tulsa. Gimme an f'n break.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 01:05:32 PM
Send him a polite email (I mean it, be polite)
mmedcalf3030@gmail.com
I just sent him a polite email....that he SUCKS. Kidding. I did email him, but I was courteous. What a hack job of an article.
When he says the university is wrestling with financial problems, can someone expand on this. Is he referencing fund raising talk that has been going on the last year or so?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
When he says the university is wrestling with financial problems, can someone expand on this. Is he referencing fund raising talk that has been going on the last year or so?
If he doesn't even know what arena we play in, I assume he just sort of pulled something out of his arse that would apply to literally any institution of higher education as every single school has to deal with budgetary pressures. He was reaching for something, anything...
Quote from: MUDish on May 27, 2014, 08:18:22 PM
I mean this sincerely...
I follow college buckets (not just MU) as much as the next guy. I'm pretty sure I've never heard of Medcalf up until today, and certainly had never read his work.
This article is just weird, in a terrible way. Starting off by saying "I grew up in Milwaukee" is supposed to (I think) build some sort of cred that it's okay for him to have an opinion on MU. Then to get the arena where MU plays wrong...huh? How long has MU played at the Bradley Center, at least 25 years, right? You cover hoops for ESPN (apparently) and you get that wrong? And that's supposed to be one of your final selling points? It's not even being lazy, it's so stupid, it's almost comical. The NCAA tourney is even played in Milwaukee, Bradley Center, where it even says "Marquette University" on the floor.
The Chicago kids comment...wtf? Ask Bruce Weber how well that worked out. Pointing that at Marquette, when DePaul/Northwestern can't sniff those kids, and the damn instate, Big 10 school, can't even get those Top 50 Chicago kids...what the hell is that?
So a school that spends almost as much as anyone on college hoops, has recent success in the tournament, produces NBA talent consistently, plays in an NBA market/arena, has paid it's head coach at/above market value for some time...this is one of the worst jobs in college basketball? Frank Haith just left Mizzou for Tulsa. Gimme an f'n break.
Strange you haven't heard of him as he has come up on Scoop quite a bit for his consistent hate towards MU. In our elite 8 year he ranked us as #16 of the remaining Sweet 16 teams
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
When he says the university is wrestling with financial problems, can someone expand on this. Is he referencing fund raising talk that has been going on the last year or so?
As far as I know, this is simply more inaccurate bullsh!t. Marquette did lay off 25 people this fall and didn't fill 80 other open positions. These were framed as a measure to help keep tuition down. I believe they were all administrative positions.
I don't think Marquette has any more financial problems that any other institution of its size and type.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 27, 2014, 10:26:05 PM
As far as I know, this is simply more inaccurate bullsh!t. Marquette did lay off 25 people this fall and didn't fill 80 other open positions. These were framed as a measure to help keep tuition down. I believe they were all administrative positions.
I don't think Marquette has any more financial problems that any other institution of its size and type.
Right, and if we do have more financial problems than other institutions of its size and type, I can guarantee you that the budget cuts will have 0 affect on the basketball program. Donors/boosters fund the basketball program directly, nothing else, and that money is not going anywhere else.
I nominate this article for entry into the 2015 offseason meme tournament
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
When he says the university is wrestling with financial problems, can someone expand on this. Is he referencing fund raising talk that has been going on the last year or so?
Paint Touches mentioned it too, which I found strange. Thought Scoop would have been all over it and we would have heard more discussion.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
When he says the university is wrestling with financial problems, can someone expand on this. Is he referencing fund raising talk that has been going on the last year or so?
Really was kind of a ridiculous statement, all Universities are undergoing financial problems. MU does have an issue with a very small endowment and the previous administration did reportedly have issues raising funds, but I wouldn't single MU out based on that.
Honestly, this article says a lot about problems with media today. A level of ineptitude of that extent would not be tolerated in most professions. If I were to put something together that flawed and that incorrect, I would at best have my reputation ruined for my entire career, at worst lose my job and basically be out of my profession.
Quote from: forgetful on May 27, 2014, 10:55:28 PM
Honestly, this article says a lot about problems with media today. A level of ineptitude of that extent would not be tolerated in most professions. If I were to put something together that flawed and that incorrect, I would at best have my reputation ruined for my entire career, at worst lose my job and basically be out of my profession.
I don't see the problem. I am an accountant, for example, and make up numbers on my clients' tax returns on a regular basis. It's not like there is some mystical, all-knowing entity out there with a magical crystal ball ready to pounce on every little exaggeration that... hold on, IRS on line 2. I'll be right back.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on May 27, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
What would be great if Wojo came out with a statement or a tweet saying something how great the Marquette jobs is.
That's all he's talked about since he took over at MU. But he came from some crummy team so what would be know about a strong basketball program?
I know a lot of people dislike Duke because of they can be aloof, but in this case, that's not such a bad thing.
MU is a strong, established program. Everyone knows it, Wojo knows it. One writer tries to stir sh*t up to get some pageviews. No need for any statements, or PR, or anything else. MU is above responding to that garbage. I want our head coach to ignore it, and keep improving his team over the summer. And I know he'll do just that.
WRT Marquette's financial problems, my understanding is that there has been some sort of freeze (wages or hiring) and some additional employee benefit contributions. Is this unusual for higher education? No. Is it severe? Doubt it. Is it worrisome? Sure.
Quote from: WarriorCode on May 28, 2014, 12:03:55 AM
That's all he's talked about since he took over at MU. But he came from some crummy team so what would be know about a strong basketball program?
For Wojo to even mention this article would draw way more attention to it than it deserves. I'm guessing most MU fans aren't even aware of it.
Quote from: LAZER on May 28, 2014, 09:09:25 AM
For Wojo to even mention this article would draw way more attention to it than it deserves. I'm guessing most MU fans aren't even aware of it.
Exactly. It's just an uninformed tool using the Skip Bayless pageview tactic. I'm made I gave it a click.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 28, 2014, 09:02:13 AM
WRT Marquette's financial problems, my understanding is that there has been some sort of freeze (wages or hiring) and some additional employee benefit contributions. Is this unusual for higher education? No. Is it severe? Doubt it. Is it worrisome? Sure.
This is actually a national trend. Many universities are doing it as a precaution. TAMU is currently under one.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 27, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
Your/You're, their/there/they're, it's/its, our/are, etc. I'll never understand what's so difficult to grasp about these distinctions. It's third grade grammar.
That being said, if I ever see him in Milwaukee I'll surely tell MYRON to GTFO!!!!
I couldn't agree more with your statement about it being difficult to grasp the distinctions. It makes me wonder how half of the Scoopers graduated from MU. But Keefe's original statement of "There's some irony in this"? Which other form of there/they're/their are you thinking he should have used?
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 28, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
I couldn't agree more with your statement about it being difficult to grasp the distinctions. It makes me wonder how half of the Scoopers graduated from MU. But Keefe's original statement of "There's some irony in this"? Which other form of there/they're/their are you thinking he should have used?
Keefe was commenting on the "Your not welcome back in Milwaukee" part of the post.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 28, 2014, 09:40:05 AM
Keefe was commenting on the "Your not welcome back in Milwaukee" part of the post.
Correctamundo, King Friday
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 28, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
I couldn't agree more with your statement about it being difficult to grasp the distinctions. It makes me wonder how half of the Scoopers graduated from MU. But Keefe's original statement of "There's some irony in this"? Which other form of there/they're/their are you thinking he should have used?
There's a distinction to be made here between not grasping the differences and making a mistake that you would have caught if you reviewed your post. I suspect 90% of the time it's the latter. I know I've been guilty of it and it's just a matter of not wanting to take the time to review posts, especially longer ones. Heaven knows I have to tediously edit enough documents at work. Let me go "wild" on Scoop without repercussions.
Quote from: windyplayer on May 28, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
There's a distinction to be made here between not grasping the differences and making a mistake that you would have caught if you reviewed your post. I suspect 90% of the time it's the latter. I know I've been guilty of it and it's just a matter of not wanting to take the time to review posts, especially longer ones. Heaven knows I have to tediously edit enough documents at work. Let me go "wild" on Scoop without repercussions.
I'mma call you out on it errtime, brah.
Did the Myron dude grow up on Jones Island?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 28, 2014, 09:40:05 AM
Keefe was commenting on the "Your not welcome back in Milwaukee" part of the post.
OK. Thought the comment was directed at Keefe, not about his comment. Or, it could've been about Bleauteaux's comment, "were is the irony?"
The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven out of a Hell, a Hell out of a Heaven.
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on May 28, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven out of a Hell, a Hell out of a Heaven.
This is so true.
The mind of Buzz made the Marquette job what it was, and it ranged from the greatest job that would last a lifetime to one he couldn't tolerate.
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on May 28, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven out of a Hell, a Hell out of a Heaven.
"It's always about character" -- Bert Williams, VPI
"The word of those who do not practice what they teach is like a lovely flower full of color but lacking in fragrance" -- Buddha
Quote from: keefe on May 28, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
"It's always about character" -- Bert Williams, VPI
"The word of those who do not practice what they teach is like a lovely flower full of color but lacking in fragrance" -- Buddha
As said in, "Risky Business", " ...that was just Bull S.... Joel."
Getting back to the point of this thread... I have a question for Chicos or anyone else with knowledge of how the whole network stuff works. Since we signed with Fox I have denied myself from looking at anything espn and (as much as it has pained me) sought the information from foxsports.com. My question is, is this self-flagellation worth anything, or nothing at all? My thought was that most of the Big East would do the same, but I continually see posts here about what was said on espn and providing links to same. I have no idea what other Big East schools are doing, but assume its very similar to our boards. I assume generating the clicks and visits only helps espn and hurts Fox some how. Is that true or is it likely marginal?
P.S. Fox has got to make its website more user friendly. The big board is a pain in the a$$ and the site always seems to take a while to load before you can scroll through content.
Quote from: Logi4three on May 28, 2014, 10:38:53 PM
Getting back to the point of this thread... I have a question for Chicos or anyone else with knowledge of how the whole network stuff works. Since we signed with Fox I have denied myself from looking at anything espn and (as much as it has pained me) sought the information from foxsports.com. My question is, is this self-flagellation worth anything, or nothing at all? My thought was that most of the Big East would do the same, but I continually see posts here about what was said on espn and providing links to same. I have no idea what other Big East schools are doing, but assume its very similar to our boards. I assume generating the clicks and visits only helps espn and hurts Fox some how. Is that true or is it likely marginal?
P.S. Fox has got to make its website more user friendly. The big board is a pain in the a$$ and the site always seems to take a while to load before you can scroll through content.
So the chain of fractions probably looks something like:
Some tiny portion of ESPN's readership pulls from Fox's readership dollars.
Some infinitesimal portion of Fox's readership dollars is made up of clicks from Marquette fans.
Some tiny portion of Fox's readership dollars affects what they have available to devote to Big East Basketball.
Some portion of what Fox spends on Big East Basketball becomes revenues to the Big East
Some portion of what the Big East makes on their Fox deal becomes revenues for Marquette
So, my analysis leads me to determine that for every click that a Marquette fan gives an ESPN.com article, he is costing Marquette $0.000000001.
In reality the amount that Marquette generates from its basketball deal is much more reliant on viewership of actual Big East basketball games. You could watch 50 hours of ESPN a week and as long as 10s of millions of people are watching Big East basketball, the value of the deal will be high.
Quote from: breadtree on May 29, 2014, 01:07:31 PM
So the chain of fractions probably looks something like:
Some tiny portion of ESPN's readership pulls from Fox's readership dollars.
Some infinitesimal portion of Fox's readership dollars is made up of clicks from Marquette fans.
Some tiny portion of Fox's readership dollars affects what they have available to devote to Big East Basketball.
Some portion of what Fox spends on Big East Basketball becomes revenues to the Big East
Some portion of what the Big East makes on their Fox deal becomes revenues for Marquette
So, my analysis leads me to determine that for every click that a Marquette fan gives an ESPN.com article, he is costing Marquette $0.000000001.
In reality the amount that Marquette generates from its basketball deal is much more reliant on viewership of actual Big East basketball games. You could watch 50 hours of ESPN a week and as long as 10s of millions of people are watching Big East basketball, the value of the deal will be high.
A few million more clicks and I will be square with all of the money I've given them over the years
Quote from: Logi4three on May 28, 2014, 10:38:53 PM
Getting back to the point of this thread... I have a question for Chicos or anyone else with knowledge of how the whole network stuff works. Since we signed with Fox I have denied myself from looking at anything espn and (as much as it has pained me) sought the information from foxsports.com. My question is, is this self-flagellation worth anything, or nothing at all? My thought was that most of the Big East would do the same, but I continually see posts here about what was said on espn and providing links to same. I have no idea what other Big East schools are doing, but assume its very similar to our boards. I assume generating the clicks and visits only helps espn and hurts Fox some how. Is that true or is it likely marginal?
P.S. Fox has got to make its website more user friendly. The big board is a pain in the a$$ and the site always seems to take a while to load before you can scroll through content.
If you don't have a Nielsen box, your viewing habits mean squat. Watch whatever you want. That info isn't useful to cable companies because, unlike a Nielsen box, it provides no information on who is watching (each Nielsen user has their own ID remote), age, gender, race, or even if anyone is watching at all vs the t.v. being left on by accident (Nielsen box requires you to push a button showing that you are still watching occasionally). So if you don't have a Nielsen box, and you'll know if you do, then watch whatever you want.
Website traffic is more easily tracked. If you don't click on ESPN and instead direct your business to Fox Sports, then you provide a small boost to FS.
"College programs are about the coaches...the NBA is about the players/owners".
Our program has seen its best peaks when we have had McGuire or others build the program to NCAA success.
In my time UW was a poor program in football (see John Cotta -lol) and Alvarez rebuilds it. Before Bo Ryan I never thought anyone would debate MU as the best BB program in WI.
Lost in the background is that these building/successful coaches do so on the backs of the better players they recruit. Sometimes its fair...TC and D Wade each did well for themselves...others times not so much.
Would this ESPN fool call the MU job/program as anything but good had Vander stayed? Here is an example where both the coach Buzz and Vander trends go south in the same coincidence, to wit:
A Cautionary tale....had Vander stayed this year at MU (IMHO)he'd be coming out as a sure 1st to early 2nd rounder with an NBA guaranteed 2 year contract....instead of the tortured odyssey below.
Of Course, MU would also have had 2-4 more wins...they would have made the NCAA tourney, and Buzz Williams would likely still have left MU, but he could have bolted as a "hot" coach to a better program than VTech, for a pay raise...instead of a $5-600,000/yr pay cut.
Ironically, Vander leaving likely cost Buzz more $$ than Vander lost, by leaving early...in college its still about the coaches
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10922180/former-marquette-star-vander-blue-eight-teams-one-year-espn-magazine
NBA: Vander Blue played on 8 teams in one year
In ESPN The Magazine's Transactions Issue, Eli Saslow writes that Vander Blue left Marquette early to pursue his professional basketball dreams. He neve...
Quote from: Heavy Gear on May 27, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Looking at the comments on ESPN's website, about the only fan base not pissed off is Minnesota. I'm glad to see the Marquette faithful calling this idiot out for his lack of journalistic ability.
Actually, it looks like he pissed off the Minnesota fans too.
http://www.thedailygopher.com/2014/5/27/5756042/which-are-myron-medcalfs-bad-columns
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 27, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
I'm going to take this point by point
I grew up in Milwaukee. Probably the only part of this that is true
Everyone in the area recognizes Marquette as a school with high academic standards and an occasionally impressive basketball program. 8 straight NCAA appearances, top 10 appearances all time
But the top local athletes would choose Wisconsin over Marquette in most situations. Wisconsin gets its fair share of recruits, but so does Marquette. Claiming Wisconsin gets "most" just isn't true, take a look at Travis Diener, Wes Matthews, Vander Blue, etc. etc.
The Chicago kids that a successful Marquette coach has to pursue have a multitude of options, too. Where? DePaul? Northwestern?
The city has a lot to offer but the area that surrounds the campus doesn't showcase the highs. Campus is a 10 minute walk from downtown Milwaukee and the NBA arena where MU plays
And the Golden Eagles are residents of a Big East that lacks the lucrative TV deal that the old Big East commanded. Marquette has much more lucrative TV deal in the NBE than the old BE
That's a problem for a Marquette team that spends significantly more per participant than any other Big East school. The Golden Eagles could use more cash. We generate more cash than 99% of NCAA Division 1 basketball programs
The private university is wrestling with financial problems. Since when?
And it's in the middle of a messy transitional period within its administrative ranks. Partially true, but the most important piece, University President, has been put into place
The new regime could create academic barriers that might affect Steve Wojciechowski's recruiting plans. Don't see any sign of that, this is a hypothetical that was pulled out of thin air
Add the fact that the Golden Eagles play in the old U.S. Cellular Arena, and it's easier to see why Marquette isn't the most appealing job in college basketball. MU plays in the Bradley Center
Don't want to validate this goo of a writer, but he's right about recruiting in Chicago. Those guys have interest from the big boys. But at the same time, we are in the market along with the big boys.