Contrary to nearly any Wisconsinite, Marquette is more popular than UW.
According to eCollegeFinder, more high school seniors want to go to Marquette.
(https://www.ecollegefinder.org/images.dmi/id/3079)
Source: https://www.ecollegefinder.org/most-desirable-colleges-map.aspx
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that state MU pic would make a cool shirt
Cool topic brah
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44055.0
Surprised by MU, Tulane, UCF and Duke. That's about it.
The five private schools (whose states are big enough to tell) who are included are Tulane, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Duke and Washington University.
Oklahoma State and Central Florida University those choice will leave some unhappy embarrassed.
Can anyone list the New England states between New York and Maine?
link please (Google is not my friend, I cannot find it)
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2014, 11:33:18 AM
The five private schools (whose states are big enough to tell) who are included are Tulane, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Duke and Washington University.
Oklahoma State and Central Florida University those choice will leave some unhappy embarrassed.
Can anyone list the New England states between New York and Maine?
C'mon man, NU is private last time I looked, hey?
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2014, 11:33:18 AM
The five private schools (whose states are big enough to tell) who are included are Tulane, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Duke, Washington University, New York University, Yale, BYU, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern. Rutgers and University of Vermont were both once private.
Oklahoma State and Central Florida University those choice will leave some unhappy embarrassed.
Quote from: Heisenberg on May 06, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
link please (Google is not my friend, I cannot find it)
https://www.ecollegefinder.org/most-desirable-colleges-map.aspx
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 06, 2014, 11:39:52 AM
C'mon man, NU is private last time I looked, hey?
They've agreed to go public in negotiations with the football players union.
If the criteria is number of applications received, I have no clue how we could have beaten Wisconsin. So many more students enroll there every year. Maybe people apply then look at the pricetag?
"Our newest map looks at the "Most Desirable" Universities in each state, judged by which college received the most undergraduate applications in the fall of 2013."
Not a perfect measure, but not a terrible one. I think some schools (Not Marquette to be clear) are benefiting from a safety school factor. I mean is North Eastern Really more desirable than Harvard? No but most people don't apply to Harvard because they know they won't get in. Tulane at least at my catholic high school in DC was a very popular safety school location.
I can also see that's why certain private schools with good reputations out perform some of their public school counter parts namely Duke and Vanderbilt. People from all over the country apply to those schools not just people from that state. In North Carolina for instance out of state it's really really hard to get into UNC. It's easier to get into Duke as an out of state applicant than it is to get into UNC as an out of state applicant.
obviously more accurate data would be if they polled people asking them if they got in to all the schools in a state and had a full ride to all of them which one they would go to. Popular in terms of application doesn't automatically = more desirable. Marketing plays a huge role in the number of applications as does application procedures. A school with Early Decision is likely going to get less applications than an equal school with early action. A school with the common App is obviously going to get more apps than a school that does not use the common app everything else being equal.
Northwestern isn't such a surprise, but I think in Mass. that a Northeastern Huskie?!!! Who'dathunk?
Pretty darn interesting... though it sounds like this is by total applications, not just in-state applications; so in that regard, I'm not all that surprised by MU being the top-dog in Wisconsin.
UCF is probably the biggest surprise on here... I would think that Florida, FSU and Miami command drastically more out-of-state applications, so in-state applications to UCF must be dwarfing the in-state applications of the "Big 3."
Same goes for Northeastern... though I'm not as surprised there since most high school seniors - who would be interested - probably don't bother wasting time applying to Harvard & MIT.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2014, 11:33:18 AM
The five private schools (whose states are big enough to tell) who are included are Tulane, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Duke and Washington University.
Oklahoma State and Central Florida University those choice will leave some unhappy embarrassed.
Can anyone list the New England states between New York and Maine?
U of Maine Black Bears, UVM Catamounts (University of Vermont), Northeastern Huskies (Private school in Boston), Yale (in Conn.), Brown (in RI) & Dartmouth (in NH).
My wife and I were discussing UCF the other night. The out-of-state tuition is less than in-state tuition at UConn.
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
Please explain
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
What?
Quote from: Benny B on May 06, 2014, 12:06:39 PM
Pretty darn interesting... though it sounds like this is by total applications, not just in-state applications; so in that regard, I'm not all that surprised by MU being the top-dog in Wisconsin.
UCF is probably the biggest surprise on here... I would think that Florida, FSU and Miami command drastically more out-of-state applications, so in-state applications to UCF must be dwarfing the in-state applications of the "Big 3."
Same goes for Northeastern... though I'm not as surprised there since most high school seniors - who would be interested - probably don't bother wasting time applying to Harvard & MIT.
My wife was telling me about Northeastern on Sunday. She said tons of students from her high school apply there. They have some mandatory internship program for every student regardless of major and the internship pretty much leads to a job after graduation.
Does MU charge to apply? If not, that's your answer.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
Don't be That Dude.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2014, 12:17:16 PM
Does MU charge to apply? If not, that's your answer.
They do not.
Quite frankly, there's no reason any school should still be charging.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2014, 12:17:16 PM
Does MU charge to apply? If not, that's your answer.
Neither does Dayton, but you don't see them beating Ohio State do you?
Wait a second....
UCF has the largest undergraduate enrollment in the country. The school is absolutely gigantic. My guess is they get more than a few applications
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
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Teal?
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
This is sooooo not accurate and is predicated by race. You cant tell me an African-American has more desire to go to Central Florida over Florida A&M. Unless he/she is an athlete that wants to compete with the "best" this map is flawed.
So, what is this, like the 3rd? 4th? thread you've jumped in on and screamed things about race? Ignored.
UCF?
Down here in Florida, UCF is the absolute definition of "Safety School"
Miami, Florida, and Florida State (In that order) should be ahead of UCF in any ranking.
Quote from: PTM on May 06, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
They do not.
Quite frankly, there's no reason any school should still be charging.
All the University of California and California State University schools charge to apply. What's really interesting it is one application, but you select the schools you want to apply for....despite that, each box you check off there is an incremental application charge.
All of this can be gamed by the schools, of course. If you have a no charge fee for applications, that means borderline kids will apply as there is no harm, no foul. That, in turn, increases the total denominator and reduces the acceptance rates for your school, which makes the school "appear" to be more highly selective.
Makes you wonder then at schools like Stanford, UCLA, etc that have very low acceptance rates and charge for applications, just how much lower they would be if they let anyone apply?
Quote from: drbchilds on May 06, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
UCF?
Down here in Florida, UCF is the absolute definition of "Safety School"
Miami, Florida, and Florida State (In that order) should be ahead of UCF in any ranking.
Instead of defining the most desirable schools by the number of applications they received, maybe they should have ranked based on the most "rejected" applications or lowest % of acceptances.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
All the University of California and California State University schools charge to apply. What's really interesting it is one application, but you select the schools you want to apply for....despite that, each box you check off there is an incremental application charge.
All of this can be gamed by the schools, of course. If you have a no charge fee for applications, that means borderline kids will apply as there is no harm, no foul. That, in turn, increases the total denominator and reduces the acceptance rates for your school, which makes the school "appear" to be more highly selective.
Makes you wonder then at schools like Stanford, UCLA, etc that have very low acceptance rates and charge for applications, just how much lower they would be if they let anyone apply?
I think Wisconsin is the same system, someone might want to verify that though. I know there was a selection for which schools, I was asked to apply by a family friend, at least he got my application fee waived.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2014, 12:17:16 PM
Does MU charge to apply? If not, that's your answer.
No, and I doubt UW does either.
Looks like we are the only Big East school on the map.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 06, 2014, 01:14:52 PM
No, and I doubt UW does either.
UW system charges $44
http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/freshman/apply.php
As stated in the other thread, MU doesn't charge to apply. UW charges $44. That will skew some of the numbers. If it doesn't cost anything to apply, why wouldn't that drive a ton of applications?
OK, something's not adding up...
Wisconsin – Marquette University
•Location – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
•Number of Applications Received – 23,432
•Acceptance Rate – 57%
•Total Undergraduates – 8,293
If MU's acceptance rate is 57% and they received 23,432 applications, that means they would have 13,356 new Freshmen! Yet there's only 8293 undergrads...
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 06, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
OK, something's not adding up...
Wisconsin – Marquette University
•Location – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
•Number of Applications Received – 23,432
•Acceptance Rate – 57%
•Total Undergraduates – 8,293
If MU's acceptance rate is 57% and they received 23,432 applications, that means they would have 13,356 new Freshmen! Yet there's only 8293 undergrads...
Because some students who are accepted go elsewhere.
I am fairly positive that UW-Madison gets more than 23,432 applications annually. This doesn't make much sense.
They got 28,000 applicants last year.
http://host.madison.com/news/local/education/university/uw-madison-s-freshman-admission-rate-the-lowest-in-years/article_3f514586-a1e3-11e0-94c3-001cc4c03286.html
I had the good fortune of going to MU undergrad and NU grad. Both on the list. For me it was an excellent combination. I can also say in the beginning at NU I was nervous about the competition. I can tell you MU grads can complete with the best of them. I won't go into details but MU and some friends at MU changed my life.
Thank you MU. Fond memories with MU always being home.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 06, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
OK, something's not adding up...
Wisconsin – Marquette University
•Location – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
•Number of Applications Received – 23,432
•Acceptance Rate – 57%
•Total Undergraduates – 8,293
If MU's acceptance rate is 57% and they received 23,432 applications, that means they would have 13,356 new Freshmen! Yet there's only 8293 undergrads...
NM
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 06, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
Because some students who are accepted go elsewhere.
Yep. Only 15% of those accepted to MU enroll.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 06, 2014, 12:19:35 PM
Don't be That Dude.
Lok I like when yall put a spin on my name. But it is what it is.
Since I do not live in Wisconsin I do feel we are in competition with them but apparently many feel that way. Not judging just doses not concern me. I many not have been accepted at UW if I applied there and I had no desire to go to such a large school. UW was not a good fit for me. MU changed my life by any reasonable measure. I was a late bloomer versus never bloom due to MU. It was a life changing choice.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 06, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
OK, something's not adding up...
Wisconsin – Marquette University
•Location – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
•Number of Applications Received – 23,432
•Acceptance Rate – 57%
•Total Undergraduates – 8,293
If MU's acceptance rate is 57% and they received 23,432 applications, that means they would have 13,356 new Freshmen! Yet there's only 8293 undergrads...
They just go elsewhere. I'm sure many of us were accepted by multiple schools, but only chose to attend one.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 06, 2014, 02:33:49 PM
Lok I like when yall put a spin on my name. But it is what it is.
I wish I knew what
it is. But your last comment made zero sense.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 06, 2014, 11:39:52 AM
C'mon man, NU is private last time I looked, hey?
Correct! Original land grant school.
Quote from: mues05 on May 06, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
Yep. Only 15% of those accepted to MU enroll.
That makes sense: 15% of 8293 accepted is 2003 new freshman. That's gotta be about right.
Quote from: Class71 on May 06, 2014, 03:00:53 PM
Correct! Original land grant school.
Northwestern was not a land grant school.
I looked up the data they used from the National Center for Education.
Marquette's # of applicants in 2013: 23,432
UW-Madisons's # of applicants in 2012: 23,324
HA! Take that Badgers!
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 06, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
That makes sense: 15% of 8293 accepted is 2003 new freshman. That's gotta be about right.
Compared to 40% for UW-Madison gives them over 9000 new freshmen
Quote from: Bricky on May 06, 2014, 02:54:04 PM
I wish I knew what it is. But your last comment made zero sense.
What doesnt make sense to you might make sense to the next guy. I'm not looking for a debate.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2014, 11:33:18 AM
The five private schools (whose states are big enough to tell) who are included are Tulane, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Duke and Washington University.
Oklahoma State and Central Florida University those choice will leave some unhappy embarrassed.
Can anyone list the New England states between New York and Maine?
Northwestern
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on May 06, 2014, 03:18:31 PM
I looked up the data they used from the National Center for Education.
Marquette's # of applicants in 2013: 23,432
UW-Madisons's # of applicants in 2012: 23,324
HA! Take that Badgers!
Whenever I see numbers that close together, I get skeptical.
Marquette accepts the Common Application. You fill out one standardized application form online, and it is accepted by over 500 colleges and universities. A student can apply to a dozen different colleges with a few mouse clicks. For most of them, there is no application fee.
Marquette's application numbers skyrocketed once they started accepting the Common App.
UW does not accept the Common Application.
https://www.commonapp.org/Login#!PublicPages/AllMembers
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2014, 01:29:59 PM
UW system charges $44
http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/freshman/apply.php
Well that's really f*ckin dumb on their part
Quote from: warriorchick on May 06, 2014, 06:42:06 PM
UW does not accept the Common Application.
That's also really f*ckin dumb on their part
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 07, 2014, 09:13:23 AM
Well that's really f*ckin dumb on their part
It's a state law for all UW schools.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 07, 2014, 09:13:23 AM
Well that's really f*ckin dumb on their part
Maybe, but it weeds out a bunch of people that are applying for the sake of applying. Costs money to process applications, and if you are bludgeoned by an extra 50K a year from every Wisconsin HS kid just cuz, that's added costs, added resources and for what gain? Most of them probably couldn't get in, otherwise if they thought they had a good shot they would pay the $44.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 07, 2014, 09:27:33 AM
Maybe, but it weeds out a bunch of people that are applying for the sake of applying. Costs money to process applications, and if you are bludgeoned by an extra 50K a year from every Wisconsin HS kid just cuz, that's added costs, added resources and for what gain? Most of them probably couldn't get in, otherwise if they thought they had a good shot they would pay the $44.
But Sultan said its state law for all UW schools. Most kids CAN get in to UW Oshkosh.
It still dumb.
It's not dumb. If they charge $44 for every application, that nets them about $1.2 million annually. If they eliminated the fee, their costs would increase due to increased applications, and they would forgo that revenue.
You can't judge privates and publics by the same metric in that regard.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 09:33:17 AM
It's not dumb. If they charge $44 for every application, that nets them about $1.2 million annually. If they eliminated the fee, their costs would increase due to increased applications, and they would forgo that revenue.
You can't judge privates and publics by the same metric in that regard.
So they have an extra 1.2 million in revenue AND have cut their costs but we got our logo on the map for this silly survey. Hooray for us!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 09:44:37 AM
So they have an extra 1.2 million in revenue AND have cut their costs but we got our logo on the map for this silly survey. Hooray for us!
I'll take the map, it looks good, thank you very much.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 07, 2014, 09:27:33 AM
Maybe, but it weeds out a bunch of people that are applying for the sake of applying. Costs money to process applications, and if you are bludgeoned by an extra 50K a year from every Wisconsin HS kid just cuz, that's added costs, added resources and for what gain? Most of them probably couldn't get in, otherwise if they thought they had a good shot they would pay the $44.
20 years ago, there was one application for the UW system.... I just don't remember if there was an extra fee if you wanted the application submitted to more than one UW school.
It's just a bunk headline for bad/lazy analysis. I'd say desirability is better -- not perfectly -- measured by the percentage of admittants who actually enroll. For every admitted enrollee, we have five admitted applicants go elsewhere. (Yes, that may be attributable to the Common App and no application fee.) Madison has 1.5 accepted students decline them for every one who enrolls. By comparison, 4 out of 5 accepted Harvard applicants enroll at the school.
Whatever. The map is cool. Suck it, Bucky.
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on May 07, 2014, 10:50:09 AM
It's just a bunk headline for bad/lazy analysis. I'd say desirability is better -- not perfectly -- measured by the percentage of admittants who actually enroll. For every admitted enrollee, we have five admitted applicants go elsewhere. (Yes, that may be attributable to the Common App and no application fee.) Madison has 1.5 accepted students decline them for every one who enrolls. By comparison, 4 out of 5 accepted Harvard applicants enroll at the school.
Whatever. The map is cool. Suck it, Bucky.
Not sure one can draw any definitive conclusions from these numbers. I know some people from high school who went to BU and Northeastern and I can assure you those universities were not their most desired Boston destination.
There was a guy on my floor in McCormick who was from somewhere in New England. This guy flies out to Milwaukee, moves into the dorm, registers for classes then gets a call from BC that he is being given a scholarship. He immediately drops out of Marquette and enrolls at BC. College decisions are influenced by a wider range of factors and variables than how we make political voting decisions.
Quote from: keefe on May 07, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
There was a guy on my floor in McCormick who was from somewhere in New England. This guy flies out to Milwaukee, moves into the dorm, registers for classes then gets a call from BC that he is being given a scholarship. He immediately drops out of Marquette and enrolls at BC. College decisions are influenced by a wider range of factors and variables than how we make political voting decisions.
What year was this? There was a kid like that on my floor in McCormick.
Quote from: Bricky on May 07, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
What year was this? There was a kid like that on my floor in McCormick.
Believe it or not I still remember his name because it was unusual - Ovide Maurice. 8th Floor McCormick.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on May 06, 2014, 11:30:39 AM
Surprised by MU, Tulane, UCF and Duke. That's about it.
+1