Marquette Year in Review: John DawsonWe apologize for these player reviews being so late into the offseason â€" Marquette played its last game nearly two months ago â€" but that pesky thing called the real world got in the way. That, and the coaching chance made us put these bad boys on the back burner. We’ll try and give you [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=painttouches.com&blog=28348875&post=11808&subd=painttouches&ref=&feed=1" width="1" height="1" />
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His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me. I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong. He was a solid back up at PG. I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender. I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.
Here's what I'm wondering: Do any of our regular posters think Dawson should have gotten Derrick's 30 mpg last season?
I seem to recall somebody mentioning that once or twice, but my memory is hazy ...
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
Here's what I'm wondering: Do any of our regular posters think Dawson should have gotten Derrick's 30 mpg last season?
I seem to recall somebody mentioning that once or twice, but my memory is hazy ...
You must have Ners on ignore, eh?
Quote from: swoopem on May 02, 2014, 02:54:15 PM
You must have Ners on ignore, eh?
Ners ... Ners ... yeah, that rings a bell!
Nah, I don't have him on ignore. I was just funnin'!!
I actually agree with most of Ners' argument and admire the passion with which he makes it. He does wear me out, though!
Quote from: tower912 on May 02, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me. I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong. He was a solid back up at PG. I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender. I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.
Ahh...did you see the nugget in there that he was 3rd best defender when measured on points per possession after Derrick and Jake....
He was foul prone, however, which in my view will be his biggest area for improvement..picked up some real tick tack fouls.
Quote from: tower912 on May 02, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me. I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong. He was a solid back up at PG. I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender. I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.
He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school. A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2014, 06:43:08 PM
He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school. A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.
+1
This man stands in good with me. He is from Tierra del Encanto. My only question for him is red or green?
Unleash John Dawson!
Quote from: keefe on May 03, 2014, 02:43:53 PM
This man stands in good with me. He is from Tierra del Encanto. My only question for him is red or green?
Unleash John Dawson!
+1
Quote from: Ners on May 02, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Ahh...did you see the nugget in there that he was 3rd best defender when measured on points per possession after Derrick and Jake....
You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2014, 06:43:08 PM
He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school. A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.
Something tells me we aren't going to be longing for the days of Jamal Ferguson.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.
You forgot about only having 1 offensive rebound all season.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/stats/team/2013/marquette-golden-eagles/
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.
He shot 27% from 3...Derrick shot 7%. I don't understand why you are trying to say he isn't a good shooter, when the guy playing in front of him is afraid to shoot and an even worse shooter by far? Here is a shooting stat for you, Derrick Wilson is 2-23 on 3point fg's in his career... In 1,736 career minutes he has two made 3's! How in the hell is that even possible :o He was also just as good as Derrick was as a backup his freshman year, check the stats.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.
LOL - Check Derrick's fouls per minute as a freshman..even higher rate. And a bad 3 point shooter...compared to your guy??! Dawson tripled Derrick's career makes this past season by making 7 for the year in spotty action and shot the 3 at 4 times better percentage than Derrick...and do we even have to mention FT percentages?
Of course Dawson has room to improve...a lot...and he will...ceiling is much higher than Derrick's ever will be. Love your conclusion though that he was an inadequate back up - he basically won us a game in OT on the road against the Big East best guard tandem...wasn't over his head at all in that game...what was different about that game than any other Dawson played?? Buzz actually let him play through a few mistakes, get into a rhythm..and eventually the talent comes to the top. Much like Mayo looked like a completely different player the last 10 games of the season...as that was the first time in Todd's career Buzz didn't yank him after 1, maybe 2 "mistakes."
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 10:57:27 AM
Of course Dawson has room to improve...a lot...and he will...ceiling is much higher than Derrick's ever will be. Love your conclusion though that he was an inadequate back up - he basically won us a game in OT on the road against the Big East best guard tandem...wasn't over his head at all in that game...what was different about that game than any other Dawson played?? Buzz actually let him play through a few mistakes, get into a rhythm..and eventually the talent comes to the top. Much like Mayo looked like a completely different player the last 10 games of the season...as that was the first time in Todd's career Buzz didn't yank him after 1, maybe 2 "mistakes."
Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.
As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.
As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.
Get a grip...Derrick was not better than Dawson freshman year. If anything they could be considered equal. Derrick's freshman stats :
MPG 8.8
PPG 0.6
RPG 1.1
APG 0.7
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.0
TPG 0.3
FG% 37
FT% 47
3pt% 0
Dawson's freshman stats :
MPG 10.2
PPG 2.0
RPG 1.1
APG 1.0
SPG 0.1
BPG 0.0
TPG 0.7
FG% 32
FT% 82
3pt% 27
Looking at these stats, you still think Derrick had a superior freshman year?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.
As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.
Agreed. DW was much better backup as freshman than Dawson. His job was to play good defense on an opposing PG when he came in and he did it well.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 07, 2014, 11:55:07 AM
Get a grip...Derrick was not better than Dawson freshman year. If anything they could be considered equal. Derrick's freshman stats :
MPG 8.8
PPG 0.6
RPG 1.1
APG 0.7
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.0
TPG 0.3
FG% 37
FT% 47
3pt% 0
Dawson's freshman stats :
MPG 10.2
PPG 2.0
RPG 1.1
APG 1.0
SPG 0.1
BPG 0.0
TPG 0.7
FG% 32
FT% 82
3pt% 27
Looking at these stats, you still think Derrick had a superior freshman year?
Absolutely. Stats can lie.
Quote from: brandx on May 07, 2014, 11:57:30 AM
Absolutely. Stats can lie.
So then we are using the eye test? Well if that's the case, Dawson wins by a landslide!!!
First of all, the stats don't show that Dawson was the better player. Yeah he scored more and had more TFs. But Derrick turned the ball over less and had more steals.
Second, you have to understand the role that Derrick was asked to play...and he did it very well.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 07, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
So then we are using the eye test? Well if that's the case, Dawson wins by a landslide!!!
To the untrained eye.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.
As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.
Wow...you sure do die hard on your beliefs, even when all data suggests otherwise. Head scratching clunkers for Dawson..when his playing time varied wildly from DNP to generally 8-10 minutes a game broken up into 3 segments of playing time? As for head scratching clunkers - I watched a guy play 32 minutes a game..some games 40...and do virtually NOTHING all game...all season long..while leading the team to a brilliant 17-15 record, with no wins over Top 25 teams, and just 2 wins over Top 50 teams....both your guys - Buzz and Derrick are the central reasons why we were so awful.
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
Wow...you sure do die hard on your beliefs, even when all data suggests otherwise. Head scratching clunkers for Dawson..when his playing time varied wildly from DNP to generally 8-10 minutes a game broken up into 3 segments of playing time? As for head scratching clunkers - I watched a guy play 32 minutes a game..some games 40...and do virtually NOTHING all game...all season long..while leading the team to a brilliant 17-15 record, with no wins over Top 25 teams, and just 2 wins over Top 50 teams....both your guys - Buzz and Derrick are the central reasons why we were so awful.
Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro? I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro? I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.
Ners is actually just one of those old AIM chatbots that has prescribed replies to the messages you send him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro? I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.
The only keep getting rehashed in rebuttal to the ridiculous claims of you and a very select few on this board, who just can't drop it...please...go find me another guy who played 32 minutes per game for an entire season at PG position and made 1, 3pt FG for the season on worse than 7% shooting, while going 43% from the FT line. It was historically awful play...and trying to spin it in any other way is just ludicrous.
I wonder why in the poll 85% of this boards wants DW playing less than 16 minutes per game...Hmm...and wonder why Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the same position when he has an incumbent senior on the roster who just played more minutes than any other guy on the team and got all of that experience?
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 12:15:28 PM
The only keep getting rehashed in rebuttal to the ridiculous claims of you and a very select few on this board, who just can't drop it...please...go find me another guy who played 32 minutes per game for an entire season at PG position and made 1, 3pt FG for the season on worse than 7% shooting, while going 43% from the FT line. It was historically awful play...and trying to spin it in any other way is just ludicrous.
I wonder why in the poll 85% of this boards wants DW playing less than 16 minutes per game...Hmm...and wonder why Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the same position when he has an incumbent senior on the roster who just played more minutes than any other guy on the team and got all of that experience?
You continue to have an inability to understand the basics of the discussion. It is very disturbing.
I want Derrick to have less than 16 mpg. I love the fact that he got Carlino. Most people say that point guard play was a big problem last year. Most also say that it was Buzz's fault for getting himself into the position that he was so reliant on a substandard point guard.
We just think he was the better option than Dawson was last year. No more. No less. Stop making the argument more than that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
You continue to have an inability to understand the basics of the discussion. It is very disturbing.
I want Derrick to have less than 16 mpg. I love the fact that he got Carlino. Most people say that point guard play was a big problem last year. Most also say that it was Buzz's fault for getting himself into the position that he was so reliant on a substandard point guard.
We just think he was the better option than Dawson was last year. No more. No less. Stop making the argument more than that.
Obviously this is where we disagree. Dawson would have to be freaking awful, historically bad..to be a worse option. The kid at least tripled Derrick's career 3 point makes in spotty action as a freshman. Shoots 81% from the FT line...actually needs to be guarded everywhere on the floor. Derrick? A great protector of the ball? Pretty easy to not turn it over when your defender sags 5 feet off of you.
Please..enough with the nonsense until you can find one PG in the last 10 years with 975 minutes of playing time and worse numbers than Derrick....
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
Obviously this is where we disagree. Dawson would have to be freaking awful, historically bad..to be a worse option. The kid at least tripled Derrick's career 3 point makes in spotty action as a freshman. Shoots 81% from the FT line...actually needs to be guarded everywhere on the floor. Derrick? A great protector of the ball? Pretty easy to not turn it over when your defender sags 5 feet off of you.
Please..enough with the nonsense until you can find one PG in the last 10 years with 975 minutes of playing time and worse numbers than Derrick....
IMO, Dawson would have been worse if given Derrick's minutes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
First of all, the stats don't show that Dawson was the better player. Yeah he scored more and had more TFs. But Derrick turned the ball over less and had more steals.
Second, you have to understand the role that Derrick was asked to play...and he did it very well.
I started by saying if anything they should be considered equal...there is no way anyone can say Derrick was superior to Dawson's freshman year based on the stats. It is a wash if anything.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 07, 2014, 12:26:18 PM
I started by saying if anything they should be considered equal...there is no way anyone can say Derrick was superior to Dawson's freshman year based on the stats. It is a wash if anything.
Offensively (the STATS), neither was good.
Defensively, they were in completely different worlds.
Quote from: brandx on May 07, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
Offensively (the STATS), neither was good.
Defensively, they were in completely different worlds.
Derrick has turned in a couple of great defensive games in his career. I think his defensive stalwart persona is more of a myth, created by posters who think he is a great kid and want to be able to compliment him on something. Whatever, neither had a great freshman year...Derrick hasn't improved one iota since being here and regressed actually in some areas.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro? I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.
Pot calling the kettle black on this subject.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
Pot calling the kettle black on this subject.
Well not really. But if you want to play make-believe, feel free.
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
Obviously this is where we disagree. Dawson would have to be freaking awful, historically bad..to be a worse option. The kid at least tripled Derrick's career 3 point makes in spotty action as a freshman. Shoots 81% from the FT line...actually needs to be guarded everywhere on the floor. Derrick? A great protector of the ball? Pretty easy to not turn it over when your defender sags 5 feet off of you.
Please..enough with the nonsense until you can find one PG in the last 10 years with 975 minutes of playing time and worse numbers than Derrick....
(http://www.ptm.org/08PT/Nov/conform.jpg)
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 07, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Well not really. But if you want to play make-believe, feel free.
You have to admit that EVERYBODY is saying the same thing and no ones mind is being changed. This John/Derrick debate is mute and dead.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 08, 2014, 06:30:22 AM
You have to admit that EVERYBODY is saying the same thing and no ones mind is being changed. This John/Derrick debate is mute and dead.
Well, this certainly is the truth. Value Added Basketball has them "tied" with a value added of 0.00, and a 9999 no national ranking.
In short, let's all wait until 2014-15 and see how this plays out. Meantime, the snooze button is in order.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on May 08, 2014, 08:23:49 AM
Well, this certainly is the truth. Value Added Basketball has them "tied" with a value added of 0.00, and a 9999 no national ranking.
In short, let's all wait until 2014-15 and see how this plays out. Meantime, the snooze button is in order.
I wonder if any player in history of Value Added Basketball has had a value add score of 0.00 while playing more minutes than any other player on their team..averaging over 30 minutes per game, or over 75% of all available minutes for a season?
I agree with their conclusion btw. :D
Quote from: Ners on May 07, 2014, 12:15:28 PM
I wonder why in the poll 85% of this boards wants DW playing less than 16 minutes per game...Hmm...
With him now 3rd or 4th on the depth chart at point guard (behind Carlino, Derrick and probably Duane) what % of this board do you think wants John Dawson to play more than 16 minutes this year? If one can assume that all here are rooting for Marquette that number would be zero.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
With him now 3rd or 4th on the depth chart at point guard (behind Carlino, Derrick and probably Duane) what % of this board do you think wants John Dawson to play more than 16 minutes this year? If one can assume that all here are rooting for Marquette that number would be zero.
You have no idea, nor do I or anyone else, what Wojo's depth chart is going to look like. I can guarentee that a bigger % would rather have Dawson getting minutes than Derrick next year. Everyone wants Marquette to do well, most just realize Dawson would help more than Derrick.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
With him now 3rd or 4th on the depth chart at point guard (behind Carlino, Derrick and probably Duane) what % of this board do you think wants John Dawson to play more than 16 minutes this year? If one can assume that all here are rooting for Marquette that number would be zero.
Lenny - Let it go man. Did you not just take note that Value Added just awarded Derrick and Dawson both a Value Add of 0.00% Yet, one guy was the max minute getter on the team..the other..spotty backup.
Go find another guy who played more minutes than any other player on his team and had a value add of 0.00%. And while you are at it - go find another guy in the last 20 years who played 975 minutes at the PG position, and made 0, 3pt shots for a year, or shot worse than 7% from 3pt line, and also shot no better than 43% from the FT Line.
Good luck. Your personal bias and season long defense of Derrick really are causing you to look foolish at this point.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 08, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
You have no idea, nor do I or anyone else, what Wojo's depth chart is going to look like. I can guarentee that a bigger % would rather have Dawson getting minutes than Derrick next year. Everyone wants Marquette to do well, most just realize Dawson would help more than Derrick.
OK, you're right. I have no idea what Wojo's depth chart is going to look like next season. You have come to the realization that playing Dawson more than Derrick will help us win games next season, as have most here. I'm sure our new coach will agree - honestly, the odds would be astronomical against Marquette paying millions to back to back coaches dumb enough to not see something so obvious. To that end I'll give you the chance to make some easy money. 500 says dumbbell Wojo plays Derrick more minutes than Dawson in the coming season. I know my only chance of winning is if Wojo is brain dead, throwing games or a combination of both but I'm a generous guy who loves a longshot. Do we have a wager?
Ners - I'll give you the same opportunity.
Quote from: Ners on May 08, 2014, 10:05:53 AM
Lenny - Let it go man. Did you not just take note that Value Added just awarded Derrick and Dawson both a Value Add of 0.00% Yet, one guy was the max minute getter on the team..the other..spotty backup.
I agree that both added 0.00% offensively (isn't that what Value Added measures?). Defensively the two players were not even close and that's why Derrick played and John sat.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
I agree that both added 0.00% offensively (isn't that what Value Added measures?). Defensively the two players were not even close and that's why Derrick played and John sat.
Value added basketball is for both sides of the court:
http://www.valueaddbasketball.com/
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
I agree that both added 0.00% offensively (isn't that what Value Added measures?). Defensively the two players were not even close and that's why Derrick played and John sat.
What part of the Paint Touches articles and Season Reviews on Dawson and Derrick did you not read? Derrick was team's best defender measured on Point Per Possession Yielded, Dawson was the 3rd best on team in same category..just a shade behind Derrick...so...in reality they were pretty close. Dawson sat, because Buzz had a loyalty to Derrick, had a good belief things were coming to an end for him at MU, had little interest in developing the freshman...and played the guys he had the longest term relationships with the most.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 10:11:46 AM
OK, you're right. I have no idea what Wojo's depth chart is going to look like next season. You have come to the realization that playing Dawson more than Derrick will help us win games next season, as have most here. I'm sure our new coach will agree - honestly, the odds would be astronomical against Marquette paying millions to back to back coaches dumb enough to not see something so obvious. To that end I'll give you the chance to make some easy money. 500 says dumbbell Wojo plays Derrick more minutes than Dawson in the coming season. I know my only chance of winning is if Wojo is brain dead, throwing games or a combination of both but I'm a generous guy who loves a longshot. Do we have a wager?
Ners - I'll give you the same opportunity.
I'll take your wager...Dawson will play more minutes than Derrick next season...as he can at least back up two positions - PG and Shooting Guard. Derrick's only chance for minutes would be backup PG...and he will probably get some there if nothing more out of being a seasoned veteran, senior, and high character guy...but it won't be for more than 7-10 minutes per game max.
There's basically Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Dawson fighting for minutes at the 2 and pretty sure Wojo will roll with a 3 guard lineup all season long - Carlino and Mayo being locks....the 3rd starting guard role will be a battle between JJJ, Dawson, Duane.
Quote from: Ners on May 08, 2014, 11:14:32 AM
I'll take your wager...Dawson will play more minutes than Derrick next season...as he can at least back up two positions - PG and Shooting Guard. Derrick's only chance for minutes would be backup PG...and he will probably get some there if nothing more out of being a seasoned veteran, senior, and high character guy...but it won't be for more than 7-10 minutes per game max.
There's basically Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Dawson fighting for minutes at the 2 and pretty sure Wojo will roll with a 3 guard lineup all season long - Carlino and Mayo being locks....the 3rd starting guard role will be a battle between JJJ, Dawson, Duane.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fkGIfMFYPgs/UCV2bN6P7yI/AAAAAAAAS24/679UnOynpfs/w500/photo.jpg)
A gentleman's agreement.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 10:11:46 AM
OK, you're right. I have no idea what Wojo's depth chart is going to look like next season. You have come to the realization that playing Dawson more than Derrick will help us win games next season, as have most here. I'm sure our new coach will agree - honestly, the odds would be astronomical against Marquette paying millions to back to back coaches dumb enough to not see something so obvious. To that end I'll give you the chance to make some easy money. 500 says dumbbell Wojo plays Derrick more minutes than Dawson in the coming season. I know my only chance of winning is if Wojo is brain dead, throwing games or a combination of both but I'm a generous guy who loves a longshot. Do we have a wager?
Ners - I'll give you the same opportunity.
NICE! Way to go Lenny. I like this.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 08, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
I can guarentee that a bigger % would rather have Dawson getting minutes than Derrick next year. Everyone wants Marquette to do well, most just realize Dawson would help more than Derrick.
Are you sure about that? Right now, 63.1% of posters think Derrick will be getting between 9-30 minutes a game. Let's assume that the average of these 63.1% thinks Derrick will get 15 minutes a game (much closer to 9 than 30). Let's also assume that Dawson can only play the one and the two. That leaves 25 minutes at the one and 40 minutes at the two. In order for you to be right, Dawson would have to get 16/65 of the remaining minutes. To do that he would have to beat out Carlino, JJJ, Duane, Mayo, and Cohen for those 16 minutes. I don't know if most posters would assume that.
Honestly this is a pointless exercise. The main point is that a bad starting PG does not necessarily make a bad backup PG. Just like a good backup PG does not necessarily make a good stating PG. Derrick was quite popular when he was Cadougan's backup. I think if he returns to that role he will be overall better. He will also be met with less scorn
Quote from: Ners on May 08, 2014, 11:14:32 AM
I'll take your wager...Dawson will play more minutes than Derrick next season...as he can at least back up two positions - PG and Shooting Guard. Derrick's only chance for minutes would be backup PG...and he will probably get some there if nothing more out of being a seasoned veteran, senior, and high character guy...but it won't be for more than 7-10 minutes per game max.
There's basically Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Dawson fighting for minutes at the 2 and pretty sure Wojo will roll with a 3 guard lineup all season long - Carlino and Mayo being locks....the 3rd starting guard role will be a battle between JJJ, Dawson, Duane.
You're on, Ners, - still awaiting Wojo's response.
What happens to the bet when Dawson gets a stress fracture in his leg during the first week of practice and Wojo **forces** him to redshirt? ::)
Ners can name a person of his choosing to decide if injury is a significant determinant in the outcome. If so, all bets are off.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Ners can name a person of his choosing to decide if injury is a significant determinant in the outcome. If so, all bets are off.
Hopefully neither guy gets hurt, but in the event there is an injury that results in either guy missing more than 5 games in a row - let's use their minutes per game average prior to the game of injury as the minute projection for the missed game. In the event either guy misses more than 5 games in a row due to injury...let's call the bet off.
Thanks for offering the wager Lenny....could be a nice hedge on the Newbill getting drafted bet. :)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2014, 01:52:11 PM
You're on, Ners, - still awaiting Wojo's response.
I would gladly take your bet...how would we set up the payment for the winner?
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on May 08, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
I would gladly take your bet...how would we set up the payment for the winner?
I'll hold the money. Wire it to Duke's Lounge in Tacoma, WA, C/O "Fat Mike."