That is what we were waiting for in a third assistant?
The "Every mediocre pg from the 90's" staff.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/043014aaa.html
Such a blast from the past. I remember watching that guy play for the Gators as a young lad.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 11:39:46 AM
That is what we were waiting for in a third assistant?
The "Every mediocre pg from the 90's" staff.
You may not like the hire but calling an All-American who was one of the best PGs Donovan has had at Florida "mediocre" seems silly.
Half of Drake's terrible staff from a couple years ago is now here. We got them. We did it!!
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 30, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
You may not like the hire but calling an All-American who was one of the best PGs Donovan has had at Florida "mediocre" seems silly.
That country bumpkin was more hype, jacked up shots left and right. Shot 29% from the field his senior year.
He left a gig as the "the associate head coach" at Ball State to be the third assistant at MU? Hmm, I guess we pay our third assistant more than Ball State pays their the associate head coach.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 11:49:57 AM
That country bumpkin was more hype, jacked up shots left and right. Shot 29% from the field his senior year.
I guess finishing 2nd for sec player of the year is all hype.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 11:49:57 AM
That country bumpkin was more hype, jacked up shots left and right. Shot 29% from the field his senior year.
So Autry, Chew and Wainwright were big names, I do not think so. Nelson played, Wojo played, Carrawell, and Gainey played, I am sure they understand the game.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 11:49:57 AM
That country bumpkin was more hype, jacked up shots left and right. Shot 29% from the field his senior year.
I'm betting he just "rubbed" you the wrong way and you've held on for damn near 15 years.
The good news is that Evan Daniels, recruiting analyst for Scout, thinks Nelson is an excellent hire.
Can he recruit, though? The other 2 assistants aren't necessarily noted for their recruiting chops.
maybe the instructions were to become the next drake, not the next duke...
Can we still shoot for being SLU? :)
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Can he recruit, though? The other 2 assistants aren't necessarily noted for their recruiting chops.
Ball State associate head coaches are known for their recruiting prowess.
Who would you prefer as a hire?
Nelson is a young guy (only 33) – but has the credibility of being called a Former All-American basketball player. He played on 4 straight NCAA Tournament teams at Florida. Played under Billy Donovan. Played at a Blue-blood program – just like Carawell, and Wojo.
Three of our coaches have played at "blue-blood" programs. At the very least, when they go to talk to the Diamond Stone, Henry Ellenson's of the world – they can offer up their perspective from when they left their home-state to play at a big-time program. It will probably take years before we are able to land a prospect of that caliber. But I will say, that these coaches have a certain level of big time college playing experience that Buzz and his staff could not relate to.
Just a general observation, here. For Buzz and his staff, it seemed as though they tried to appeal to a recruit's mother, during their pitch (among other things). On first glance, it looks like Wojo and his staff, may actually be able to appeal to a recruits father.
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Can he recruit, though? The other 2 assistants aren't necessarily noted for their recruiting chops.
I don't know, Mark Phelps was the lead recruiter at Missouri for Namon Wright and Wright was as good or better than any of the recruits Marquette signed last fall.
Quote from: amen426 on April 30, 2014, 12:30:33 PM
Who would you prefer as a hire?
Nelson is a young guy (only 33) – but has the credibility of being called a Former All-American basketball player. He played on 4 straight NCAA Tournament teams at Florida. Played under Billy Donovan. Played at a Blue-blood program – just like Carawell, and Wojo.
Three of our coaches have played at "blue-blood" programs. At the very least, when they go to talk to the Diamond Stone, Henry Ellenson's of the world – they can offer up their perspective from when they left their home-state to play at a big-time program. It will probably take years before we are able to land a prospect of that caliber. But I will say, that these coaches have a certain level of big time college playing experience that Buzz and his staff could not relate to.
Just a general observation, here. For Buzz and his staff, it seemed as though they tried to appeal to a recruit's mother, during their pitch (among other things). On first glance, it looks like Wojo and his staff, may actually be able to appeal to a recruits father.
It shouldn't take "years" you keep talking about Florida being a blue blood but they were nothing before the 94 final four then six years later lose in the championship game and boom they're suddenly a big time program. We have history to work off of at least so it shouldn't take "years" before we land a prospect like them. We just need to get that one run to revamp our program
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Can he recruit, though? The other 2 assistants aren't necessarily noted for their recruiting chops.
Assistants need to be hard-working/effective worker bees for a head coach. Recruiting assistants can be way over-rated. The guy at Illinois got Bruce Weber a ton of top 100 guys who were misfits on and off the court for Weber's program. Isaac Chew really did nothing for MU as Buzz was really the guy for Ahmed Hill, etc. Assistants tend to come come and go. Remember Tom Crean going through assistants like a roll of tissue paper.
Welcome aboard, Brett.
Don't worry about all the threads on this board that mention your name cheekily, they actually are... well, not referring to you.
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Can he recruit, though? The other 2 assistants aren't necessarily noted for their recruiting chops.
Nelson was credited for helping land Hassan Whiteside at Marshall. Whiteside, who left Marshall after his Freshman year, was the 33rd pick of the 2010 draft.
The next year, Nelson left to Arkansas for the 2010-2011 season. The 2011 recruiting class, ranked top 10 in the country, and featured B.J Young, and two other Top 100 Players. Hard to pinpoint his individual impact on that class, but at the very least, he was a member of the coaching staff during every players official visit, and commitment.
Quote from: barfolomew on April 30, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Welcome aboard, Brett.
Don't worry about all the threads on this board that mention your name cheekily, they actually are... well, not referring to you.
Let's keep Biff out of this.
Welcome aboard Brett! Don't worry about the skeptics. Bring in some talent and get us some wins and we will love you just fine.
Can't believe it was Stone Cold who started this thread.
He didn't like Wojo, didn't like Carawell, didn't like Phelps, doesn't like this hire.... blah, blah, blah.
Quote from: brandx on April 30, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
Can't believe it was Stone Cold who started this thread.
He didn't like Wojo, didn't like Carawell, didn't like Phelps, doesn't like this hire.... blah, blah, blah.
I think Wojo is the only good hire. The rest are tbd...but hoping they knock it out of the park.
I think the main issue so far, is we seem to be going really hard at traditionals. Marquette has always catered more towards the inner city kids. I think it behooves us to keep on going with the same recruits as we have. For awhile we were the "cool" school in Wisconsin to sign with. We are now going after Wisconsin type recruits and I think that's not playing to our strengths.
Today I learned an All American Point Guard is mediocre. I guess everyone at Marquette since wade has also been "mediocre"
Quote from: TheBurrEffect on April 30, 2014, 06:45:41 PM
Today I learned an All American Point Guard is mediocre. I guess everyone at Marquette since wade has also been "mediocre"
Except Derrick--he is an elite gamechanger. Buzz said so.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 06:40:42 PM
I think Wojo is the only good hire. The rest are tbd...but hoping they knock it out of the park.
I think the main issue so far, is we seem to be going really hard at traditionals. Marquette has always catered more towards the inner city kids. I think it behooves us to keep on going with the same recruits as we have. For awhile we were the "cool" school in Wisconsin to sign with. We are now going after Wisconsin type recruits and I think that's not playing to our strengths.
You mean playing to Marquette's strengths prior to the Wojo hire. Wojo's strengths are now going to be Marquette's strengths going forward. There's a new sheriff in town and he's going to run things his way. Thank God. Doing things the way you think others want them done is a sure way to f up.
Welcome to MU, Brett!
One can only hope pedigrees can help their sales pitches to recruits.
I hope this MU coaching tree starts to branch out when it becomes successful.
This can be a good and bad thing: good for the attention and name recognition; bad for the expectations and criticism.
With all of these former point guards as coaches, point guard should certainly be a strength next season.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 06:40:42 PM
I think Wojo is the only good hire. The rest are tbd...but hoping they knock it out of the park.
I think the main issue so far, is we seem to be going really hard at traditionals. Marquette has always catered more towards the inner city kids. I think it behooves us to keep on going with the same recruits as we have. For awhile we were the "cool" school in Wisconsin to sign with. We are now going after Wisconsin type recruits and I think that's not playing to our strengths.
Yeah - there is a whole group of good players out there that Buzz never even went after.
But, really, there are just some good white players in WI right now. And I would also consider Stone to be a traditional. Almost a throwback to the old low post centers.
Gotta be some balance.... Buzz should have gotten more shooters during his tenure. But Buzz's formula did give us a lot of success.
It was good getting the Milwaukee area sort of locked down under Buzz.
Quote from: brandx on April 30, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
Can't believe it was Stone Cold who started this thread.
He didn't like Wojo, didn't like Carawell, didn't like Phelps, doesn't like this hire.... blah, blah, blah.
You need to Scoop Stalk a little better.
Love the Wojo hire. Like the Phelps hire and DBO hire. Carrawell and Nelson don't like.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 08:52:02 PM
You need to Scoop Stalk a little better.
Love the Wojo hire. Like the Phelps hire and DBO hire. Carrawell and Nelson don't like.
ACC player of the year and another good point at Florida, I think they understand talent better than you do. Have you meet either of them? MU coaches are going to bring it to players on
the court now. There going to play 3 guards as well.
I only know their resumes.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 06:40:42 PM
I think Wojo is the only good hire. The rest are tbd...
They are all "tbd," including Wojo. So what? That's the way it should be. Every coach (and every player) should have to prove himself.
Shaka was a nobody who had to prove himself at VCU. Izzo had to prove he could be The Man at MSU. God knows Crean and Buzz each had to prove himself at Marquette. Bill Self had to prove he could win a title at KU. Brad Stevens ... who ever heard of him before he proved himself at Butler? Hell, even Roy had to prove he could win at UNC.
That's the profession.
Those who criticize Wojo or criticize these assistants ... based on what? Jeesh, at least let them do something wrong before criticizing them.
Sometimes, some of us have perverse definitions of "fan." I thought a fan was supposed to support his team's coach -- at least until he gives us reason to do otherwise.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 30, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
I only know their resumes.
Young coaches need a chance just like Wojo. They were solid players in college, they got there feet wet, now they are moving up the ladder. Time will tell on all assistants, but the first few
years it is about the head coach recruiting, they are coming here because they like what they see in Wojo, maybe the assistants will start helping when they build relationships up in the freshman and soph high school classes.