What Matt Carlino means for MarquetteSteve Wojciechowski received the first recruit of his Marquette era when BYU graduate point guard Matt Carlino pledged his commitment to the Golden Eagles, made official Friday afternoon. The 6-foot-2 point guard will have one season of eligibility remaining when he arrives on campus after graduating from BYU this spring. It'll be the fourth school Carlino's been attached to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=painttouches.com&blog=28348875&post=11761&subd=painttouches&ref=&feed=1" width="1" height="1" />
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"But now the point guard position is set with Carlino, Derrick Wilson and Dawson; at shooting guard Todd Mayo, Jajuan Johnson and Todd Mayo should secure the rotation, while incoming freshman Sandy Cohen and Deonte Burton should fill out a three-guard offense well"
WHY no mention of Duane Wilson. Aside from Burton Duane is the guy I'm most excited to see play next year. I agree that we need a proven outside shooter but I was really hoping that Duane would have a real shot at starters minutes at the point. Maybe the thought is that they play 2 point guards like UConn did. It worked for them.
I just don't see why Duane isn't at the top of everyone's list certainly not left out.
You beat me to it Nota. Where's DuWil in the article? I'm expecting him to play a lot, at both guard positions.
Typo - Mayo is listed twice at SG. The second time should have been Duane
I know Duane was a big time recruit, but I think we are collectively expecting more out of him than he will realistically deliver next year.
Why would you expect him to get starters minutes...or play a lot? He is a freshman coming off an injury with a number of talented and/or experienced players in front of him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
I know Duane was a big time recruit, but I think we are collectively expecting more out of him than he will realistically deliver next year.
Why would you expect him to get starters minutes...or play a lot? He is a freshman coming off an injury with a number of talented and/or experienced players in front of him.
Clueless!
I'm surprised there were reports or him not being that good in practice last year. As I saw him in high school I thought he had a skill set that would transfer very well to the college game.
Hopefully he picks it up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:51:40 AM
Answer the question then.
The services pretty much had him equal with Burton coming out of HS although at different positions. He was very good in High School, better from what I read than Cohen. Besides the kid seems like a natural leader based on his comments both in interviews and tweets during the coaching change.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 27, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
The services pretty much had him equal with Burton coming out of HS although at different positions. He was very good in High School, better from what I read than Cohen. Besides the kid seems like a natural leader based on his comments both in interviews and tweets during the coaching change.
So essentially you expected him to get starters minutes because of his potential.
But really when is the last time a highly rated prospect has lived up to the potential that Scoopers have placed on them?
Expectations! Have reasonable ones.
The first question you have to ask is do you think Duane will be able to beat out Carlino or Mayo for their starters' jobs? I'm guessing from most people the answer is no. So he will get backup minutes next season.
The second question you have to ask is do you think Duane will be able to beat out Derrick, Dawson, Cohen, and Johnson? I'm guessing that most people think yes to Derrick, Dawson, and Cohen. No to Johnson. So he will have a place in the rotation.
The other thing to keep in mind is that we will never have less than 3 guards on the floor at a time. Many times we will have 4. So the SF position becomes a WG (wing guard) position instead. The starter for this position will come out of the Dawson, Cohen, Johnson, and Duane crew.
PG: Carlino/Derrick
SG: Mayo/Johnson/Duane/Dawson/Cohen
WG: Mayo/Johnson/Duane/Dawson/Cohen
PF: Burton/Anderson
C: Fischer/Taylor
Personally, I think we will see Mayo and Johnson starting at the two guard positions with Duane being their primary backup. Dawson and Cohen will get spot minutes when their skill set is called for.
But these predictions, mine and everyone else's, are based on very limited information. Duane and Cohen have yet to play a game of college ball so NO ONE knows how good they will be. Dawson and Johnson didn't get meaningful minutes last season, so it's hard to project how good they are. So it is entirely possible for Duane to come in and be the second coming of Dominic James. But is it a reasonable expectation? No.
Duane was recovering from injuries last year, so that would have effected his practice play. However, in watching him play in pro am he was not anywhere near as good as Burton was in the pro am. The pro am favors whoever has the ball in his hands, which is usually the player bringing the ball up the floor. Duane was a nice player, but Burton dominated the pro am. They may of been rated pretty much equal, but there was no question who was the better player in the pro am. Burton was better by a long run. Duane's biggest asset is his quickness.
After watching Carlino sit on the bench the whole second half, Duane Wilson will,have all the opportunity to start. Carlino might be a good sub
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 27, 2014, 11:08:17 AM
Expectations! Have reasonable ones.
The first question you have to ask is do you think Duane will be able to beat out Carlino or Mayo for their starters' jobs? I'm guessing from most people the answer is no. So he will get backup minutes next season.
The second question you have to ask is do you think Duane will be able to beat out Derrick, Dawson, Cohen, and Johnson? I'm guessing that most people think yes to Derrick, Dawson, and Cohen. No to Johnson. So he will have a place in the rotation.
The other thing to keep in mind is that we will never have less than 3 guards on the floor at a time. Many times we will have 4. So the SF position becomes a WG (wing guard) position instead. The starter for this position will come out of the Dawson, Cohen, Johnson, and Duane crew.
PG: Carlino/Derrick
SG: Mayo/Johnson/Duane/Dawson/Cohen
WG: Mayo/Johnson/Duane/Dawson/Cohen
PF: Burton/Anderson
C: Fischer/Taylor
Personally, I think we will see Mayo and Johnson starting at the two guard positions with Duane being their primary backup. Dawson and Cohen will get spot minutes when their skill set is called for.
But these predictions, mine and everyone else's, are based on very limited information. Duane and Cohen have yet to play a game of college ball so NO ONE knows how good they will be. Dawson and Johnson didn't get meaningful minutes last season, so it's hard to project how good they are. So it is entirely possible for Duane to come in and be the second coming of Dominic James. But is it a reasonable expectation? No.
I was never a big Dominic James fan. He wasn't a good shooter from distance and as his career went on he became more of a chucker that Crean wouldn't or couldn't reign in. I think Duane is a much better shooter and as long as he doesn't try to do too much, could end up being a better all-around player than James.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 27, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
I was never a big Dominic James fan. He wasn't a good shooter from distance and as his career went on he became more of a chucker that Crean wouldn't or couldn't reign in. I think Duane is a much better shooter and as long as he doesn't try to do too much, could end up being a better all-around player than James.
You think a guy who you have never seen play a minute of college basketball play is a better shooter and could be a better player overall than one of the best point guards ever to play at Marquette? Interesting.
Respect the process.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 02:12:34 PM
You think a guy who you have never seen play a minute of college basketball play is a better shooter and could be a better player overall than one of the best point guards ever to play at Marquette? Interesting.
Respect the process.
That's how it works around here. Before you log your first minute, we worry that you'll leave early for the draft. See Erik Williams, JJJ, Jamil. Then you play that first minute and the bubble bursts.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 02:12:34 PM
You think a guy who you have never seen play a minute of college basketball play is a better shooter and could be a better player overall than one of the best point guards ever to play at Marquette? Interesting.
Respect the process.
Please define "one of the best."
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 02:12:34 PM
You think a guy who you have never seen play a minute of college basketball play is a better shooter and could be a better player overall than one of the best point guards ever to play at Marquette? Interesting.
Respect the process.
I am a huge fan of Dom James but I wouldn't put him in the MU Top 5 PGs.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 27, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
After watching Carlino sit on the bench the whole second half, Duane Wilson will,have all the opportunity to start. Carlino might be a good sub
Sit on the bench? You are aware that Matt Carlino averaged close to 30 mins a game right? He also only got less than 20 minutes game exactly 3 times. 19 minutes against Pepperdine at the beginning of conference season, 19 minutes against Gonzaga, and 15 minutes against Santa Clara. BYU also got into the NCAA tournament after a big winning streak where they won 10 of 11 and Carlino was the starter in all of those games.
Don't put too much stock in the articles from BYU about the transfer. It is simply local media trying to paint it in a positive light to appease the fans.
I just watched the Pepperdine game, was awful, did not play last 15 minutes of that game, glad he played better, just saying there is an open competition for playing time.
Quote from: keefe on April 27, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
I am a huge fan of Dom James but I wouldn't put him in the MU Top 5 PGs.
DJ is absolutely one of MU's all-time top 5 PGs. Especially when you consider he was a four year starter on some very good teams.
Legend
GP Games played GS Games started MPG Minutes per game
FG% Field goal percentage 3P% 3-point field goal percentage FT% Free throw percentage
RPG Rebounds per game APG Assists per game SPG Steals per game
BPG Blocks per game PPG Points per game Bold Career high
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Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2005–06 Marquette 31 31 32.5 .431 .301 .641 4.5 5.4 1.6 .4 15.3
2006–07 Marquette 34 34 33.2 .384 .272 .651 3.1 4.9 1.9 .1 14.9
2007–08 Marquette 35 34 30.3 .398 .310 .664 2.7 4.4 1.8 .2 12.9
2008–09 Marquette 29 28 31.4 .424 .284 .461 3.4 5.0 2.1 .3 11.0
Quote from: keefe on April 27, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
I am a huge fan of Dom James but I wouldn't put him in the MU Top 5 PGs.
I would say best defensive pg at MU I had seen in person and easily best defensive player those teams - easily better than Rel. He was much better than fans seem to give him credit for. Sure he couldn't shoot but the rest of his game was extremely solid if not fantastic.
Can someone serious please explain the infatuation with Duane playing the 2? I dont get it, I dont see it, hes never played the 2 in his entire life and hes only about 6'1"
Quote from: Chili on April 27, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
I would say best defensive pg at MU I had seen in person and easily best defensive player those teams - easily better than Rel. He was much better than fans seem to give him credit for. Sure he couldn't shoot but the rest of his game was extremely solid if not fantastic.
Dom was great at MU but The Dream, Lucky Lloyd, Doc, Sudden Sam, and Smith would have made him cry. The Dream is still talked about on the NYC asphalt.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 02:12:34 PM
You think a guy who you have never seen play a minute of college basketball play is a better shooter and could be a better player overall than one of the best point guards ever to play at Marquette? Interesting.
Respect the process.
First of all I said he COULD be better if he plays within his game. Translation, he could be worse too. I just don't have a lot of love for a PG that launched a lot of errant shots when there were better shooters on the team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 27, 2014, 11:08:17 AM
Expectations! Have reasonable ones.
Yes!!
I'd like to think we'd have learned our lesson with Trent Lockett. We saw his numbers at Arizona State and assumed he would be a very good scorer for us. Then when he wasn't -- when we realized his ASU numbers had more to do with Pac-12 style hoops and with his role at ASU than with any great scoring talent he had -- we got down on him.
Finally, in the latter third of the season, we came to appreciate Lockett for the many things he brought to the table.
I hope we don't go all batpoop if Carlino isn't a star PG for us right out of the gate.
Awww, who am I kidding? Bats, prepare to poop!
"incoming freshman Sandy Cohen and Deonte Burton should fill out a three-guard offense well."
The only way that Deonte Burton plays guard next year is if John Dawson moves to power forward!
Interesting stat PT tweeted:
Over the last 4 years Marquette PGs made 66 3 pointers.
Last year Carlino made 60.
Quote from: keefe on April 27, 2014, 03:46:23 PM
Dom was great at MU but The Dream, Lucky Lloyd, Doc, Sudden Sam, and Smith would have made him cry. The Dream is still talked about on the NYC asphalt.
Agree with your analysis but it is important to note that 4 out of 5 go back 30+ years. I guess I'll argue that we've had exactly two top notch point guards this century. I'm sincerely hoping that for one year Carlino can approach that level. We'll be a much better team if he can.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 27, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Can someone serious please explain the infatuation with Duane playing the 2? I dont get it, I dont see it, hes never played the 2 in his entire life and hes only about 6'1"
I've heard he's 6'2". Height doesn't really enter into it though, does it? Being 6'6" doesn't make Michael Carter-Williams a second guard instead of a point guard anymore than being 6'1' made DJO a point guard.
Buzz said that Duane was more an "athlete" than a point guard. And others (including Diamond Stone?) have said that they thought Duane was more of a second guard than someone who created for others. Playing the point in HS (which Duane did) doesn't always translate into having the skill set to play that position in Division I ball. I never saw Duane play in HS, but I could see how in the highlights I've seen on YouTube that you could say he's best qualities were three point shooting and creating his own shot.
Quote from: keefe on April 27, 2014, 03:46:23 PM
Dom was great at MU but The Dream, Lucky Lloyd, Doc, Sudden Sam, and Smith would have made him cry. The Dream is still talked about on the NYC asphalt.
It also depends on which Dom we are talking about. Arguably, he regressed each year he was at MU. His freshman year he seemed almost Doc like to me.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
It also depends on which Dom we are talking about. Arguably, he regressed each year he was at MU. His freshman year he seemed almost Doc like to me.
I think his freshman year he was at his best offensively, his junior and senior years were his worst years as a player, and his senior year, in my opinion, he was at his best as an overall player. Became a true point guard and a completely lock down defender.
As far as my "one of the best" comments, I should've said one of the best I have ever seen (top 2), which would be within the last 25 years. I would say Diener 1, James 2, Hutchins 3, Henry 4, at least from as far back as I can remember.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
I think his freshman year he was at his best offensively, his junior and senior years were his worst years as a player, and his senior year, in my opinion, he was at his best as an overall player. Became a true point guard and a completely lock down defender.
As far as my "one of the best" comments, I should've said one of the best I have ever seen (top 2), which would be within the last 25 years. I would say Diener 1, James 2, Hutchins 3, Henry 4, at least from as far back as I can remember.
I was never convinced that Hutch was really a PG. I always saw him as a SG who was called the PG because of his height. I'd be interested in your opinion.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2014, 08:08:15 PM
I was never convinced that Hutch was really a PG. I always saw him as a SG who was called the PG because of his height. I'd be interested in your opinion.
Might be true. To be honest I was only 10 years old when he was a senior, so my knowledge of the game wasn't exactly the best at the time. I just remember him being a favorite as I would play as him in our family room, and I looked up his stats and he was 15 points and 4 assists his senior year. So to answer the question, I guess I went more off of stats than actually my understanding of how he was as a player.
Loved Henry as well. Loved the jersey tug after 3 pointers.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
I know Duane was a big time recruit, but I think we are collectively expecting more out of him than he will realistically deliver next year.
Why would you expect him to get starters minutes...or play a lot? He is a freshman coming off an injury with a number of talented and/or experienced players in front of him.
And besides, just like Buzz, you do not want to see him play over Derrick.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 27, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Can someone serious please explain the infatuation with Duane playing the 2? I dont get it, I dont see it, hes never played the 2 in his entire life and hes only about 6'1"
Agreed, I don't get it either.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 27, 2014, 08:35:25 PM
And besides, just like Buzz, you do not want to see him play over Derrick.
So you apparently are still obsessed with me. Kinda creepy.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2014, 07:43:06 PM
I've heard he's 6'2". Height doesn't really enter into it though, does it? Being 6'6" doesn't make Michael Carter-Williams a second guard instead of a point guard anymore than being 6'1' made DJO a point guard.
Buzz said that Duane was more an "athlete" than a point guard. And others (including Diamond Stone?) have said that they thought Duane was more of a second guard than someone who created for others. Playing the point in HS (which Duane did) doesn't always translate into having the skill set to play that position in Division I ball. I never saw Duane play in HS, but I could see how in the highlights I've seen on YouTube that you could say he's best qualities were three point shooting and creating his own shot.
And it's not like people are insulting the guy to suggest that he could play off the ball. In fact it helps MU to be more versatile if they could have a back court with two guys with a point guard background.
Quote from: Litehouse on April 27, 2014, 08:58:58 PM
Agreed, I don't get it either.
Theoretically if he's possibly better than anybody else at the shooting guard position but not better than one of the point guards then it may be beneficial to have him play the shooting guard position. We went to the NCAA Tournament with a starting backcourt of Maurice Acker and David Cubillan not too long ago. That's an average height of about 5'8". A backcourt averaging 6'2" is not a problem. You can get away with being small in college basketball. Get your best 5 players on the court. The thing Duane does best is score the ball. If somebody else distributes the ball better then you might as well have them on the court together and let the guy who distributes it better be the point guard and let Duane go score.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 27, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Theoretically if he's possibly better than anybody else at the shooting guard position but not better than one of the point guards then it may be beneficial to have him play the shooting guard position. We went to the NCAA Tournament with a starting backcourt of Maurice Acker and David Cubillan not too long ago. That's an average height of about 5'8". A backcourt averaging 6'2" is not a problem. You can get away with being small in college basketball. Get your best 5 players on the court. The thing Duane does best is score the ball. If somebody else distributes the ball better then you might as well have them on the court together and let the guy who distributes it better be the point guard and let Duane go score.
And it's not as though modern basketball is bound by the traditional 1-5 positions on offense. There are all sorts of ways you can play a bunch of good ball handling guards on the floor at once.
Quote from: keefe on April 27, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
I am a huge fan of Dom James but I wouldn't put him in the MU Top 5 PGs.
I think Cordell Henry was a better point guard than James. James was the most overrated MU player I can recall. Nobody else is close.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
It also depends on which Dom we are talking about. Arguably, he regressed each year he was at MU. His freshman year he seemed almost Doc like to me.
I agree. I'll bet he curses Tanned Tommy every night for advising him to return for his sophomore year.
One other PG I would rate above Dom is Mandy Johnson.
Here's a link showing the PGs to come out of St. Anthony's and St. Pat's. Unbelievable.
What I wouldn't give to have Mandy Johnson lacing up the Jordans for Marquette, again.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/B3Z0o0n_EeCkhgAcxJSkrA/all-time-st-patrick-vs-st-anthony-showdown.htm
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 27, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Can someone serious please explain the infatuation with Duane playing the 2? I dont get it, I dont see it, hes never played the 2 in his entire life and hes only about 6'1"
I think it is out of necessity. We will be tiny next year, so it will probably require us to utilize four guard sets. That means all of our guards will need to play out of position at some point. If you look at our four point guards, Duane seemingly is the most likely to have the ability to slide over to the two. Carlino is assumed to be the best of the four at this point so you want him at the most important position (point guard) and Derrick can only play the one. That leaves Duane and Dawson. It is assumed that Duane is more talented than Dawson, ergo he makes the switch to the wing.
You usually don't see a "PG by committee" approach. You usually have a starter and a backup. We are just trying to figure out where the other 2 PGs will fit in. My assumption is that Carlino/Derrick will run the point and Dawson/Duane will play off the ball. Maybe Carlino will play off the ball instead. Maybe Derrick won't get minutes. Maybe Duane won't. Maybe Dawson won't. Maybe Diamond Stone will reclassify to the 2014 class and commit to us and be a point forward! Who knows?