http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/writer/doug-gottlieb/24522621/around-the-country-looking-back-at-uconn-kentucky
Will Steve Wojciechowski's hiring at Marquette work out?
It's a reasonable question to ask. As coaching trees spread, we so often look for results of the mentored to affirm the greatness of the mentor, and so it is with Coach K. Is that fair? Not really. Billy Donovan doesn't coach like Rick Pitino, nor does Herb Sendek, yet both are former Pitino aides who have had very different levels of success.
That said, Coach K's tree is a widening one that finally seems to be breaking through ... somewhat. Mike Brey has long been stable at Notre Dame and though this was a down year, he survived some rough patches and isn't going anywhere. Brey was a winner at Delaware before ND and in terms of sustained success, is probably the best former assistant, non-player of the Coach K tree.
Tommy Amaker did very well for a time at Seton Hall, including a Sweet 16 appearance, then he recruited a bit of a higher-level, higher-baggage recruit, and it wasn't working. Amaker left for Michigan, and for all of the leadership flaws in the athletic department at the time, and their lack of facility upgrades in comparison to most of the Big Ten, the bottom line was Amaker didn't make the tourney during his six seasons in Ann Arbor.
Steve Wojciechowski (left) is yet another branch on the Coach K tree, but will he succeed? (Getty Images)
Harvard has proven to be a perfect fit as the school has worked with Amaker to compete for top academic recruits without making it impossible to get kids into school, and now he has made three straight NCAA appearances and they are the dominant team in the Ivy.
Johnny Dawkins was struggling at Stanford, as he went five years without making a tourney before finding a good mix and making the Sweet 16 this season while having an outstanding recruiting class.
Quin Snyder was the hot assistant back when he took over Missouri and though the Tigers recruited well and had an Elite Eight appearance, Snyder never finished above sixth in Big 12, then had issues that derailed what looked like a very promising college career. He is currently an assistant and has since become a very well-regarded professional coach.
Which leads us to Wojciechowski. Wojo embodies all that is Duke and Coach K, but will it work at Marquette? It is hard to try and guard everyone when you don't have talent at every position, something Duke does as it tries to impose its will on you.
Keep in mind that Buzz Williams had a penchant for finding non-top 100 recruits and helping them become pros. But Buzz went the juco, unheralded route for many of his best players. Even the greatest player in Marquette's recent history (and probably entire history) Dwyane Wade was a prop 48 under the Tom Crean regime. Will Wojo find those type of guys?
Or will he recruit more like Mike Deane and Kevin O'Neill, who both did an excellent job of getting talent, but weren't lining up with McDonald's All-Americans. The Big East is a different dynamic in terms of perception and exposure and Wojo is likely to be dipping in the same pool as his close friend Chris Collins down at Northwestern. Will he play like Duke, or like Northwestern, or like Notre Dame?
While this unfolds, the race to be the next Duke head coach will be on and poppin', as many of the names above have a shot at some level, and perhaps in the neighborhood of five years to prove themselves.
Mike Deane did an excellent job lining up talent?
News to me.
Reality is Brent largely went away from tge JUCO/hidden gem model the past few seasons.
10 paragraphs, only 4 were actually about Wojo at Marquette.
Almost as useless as a CBS Sports Minute.
I think Wojo will do just fine. But it's nice that Gottlieb is so concerned. ::)
Journalism 001: Take the unpopular stance and people will read your article.
But Gottlieb forgets that we knew he was Summer's Eve back at ND and OKST. Shafting MU as a possible transfer destination must have solidified in the Milwaukee-born Dougie's mind that Marquette is not to be extolled or praised ever.
Gottlieb is nothing more than a pretentious Domer a$$hole who is incapable of ever saying or writing anything complimentary about Marquette. Screw him and his horsesh1t opinions!
So it was an article about how other coaches with Duke ties are doing?
Wait, I don't understand the "News" blurb; do you pronounce it:
Wo-Jo-Wheres-Your-House-Key?
Or just Wojo-House-Key?
?-(
Not much content. Might as well have said, Will Wojo at MU work" Might, might not, the end
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 11, 2014, 05:53:53 PM
Not much content. Might as well have said, Will Wojo at MU work" Might, might not, the end
Well-put. Any schlub could have written this. It falls short of even a fluff piece.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 11, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Gottlieb is nothing more than a pretentious Domer a$$hole who is incapable of ever saying or writing anything complimentary about Marquette. Screw him and his horsesh1t opinions!
I guess he can still refer to himself as a Domer...
However, Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he was charged with stealing credit cards from a roommate and two others and fraudulently charging over $900 to those cards; Gottlieb has since stated that, after paying back the $900, he was allowed to say he was leaving Notre Dame, when in fact he was expelled.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Gottlieb
Will Gottlieb work out at CBS? Might, might not, never know, The end!
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 11, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Gottlieb is nothing more than a pretentious Domer a$$hole who is incapable of ever saying or writing anything complimentary about Marquette. Screw him and his horsesh1t opinions!
Couldn't agree more. And I hate his weasely face and annoying, nasally voice.
Cam someone summarize the article in 2 or 3 sentences? Honestly, I read it twice and I still don't know what his point is.
Quote from: exercisevanity on April 11, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Wait, I don't understand the "News" blurb; do you pronounce it:
Wo-Jo-Wheres-Your-House-Key?
Or just Wojo-House-Key?
?-(
Wojo-House-Key.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 11, 2014, 05:58:51 PM
I guess he can still refer to himself as a Domer...
However, Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he was charged with stealing credit cards from a roommate and two others and fraudulently charging over $900 to those cards; Gottlieb has since stated that, after paying back the $900, he was allowed to say he was leaving Notre Dame, when in fact he was expelled.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Gottlieb
Domer because even though he got kicked out of school, that's where he always wanted to be.
This article doesn't bring up anything new that already hasn't been discussed. A summation of Duke assistants' success is what it is along with a few questions about what will happen. This article is filler, and nothing more.
I'm fine with hiring Wojo, but his point about Collins is a fair one. Collins is a MUCH bigger brand, at least in Illinois, due to his father and his HS career. And Northwestern has made no secret that it is committed to a better basketball program. Like it or not, Wojo needs to compete against his former co worker and he's giving points in the matchup.
This is my problem with the wojo hiring. If he succeeds he leaves if he sucks...well then he sucks! Not the destination job Cords said it was.
Quote from: jt92 on April 11, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
This is my problem with the wojo hiring. If he succeeds he leaves if he sucks...well then he sucks! Not the destination job Cords said it was.
You can stick ANYONE's name in there!
MU is not a blue blood but it is a basketball destination.
Winning and success as a program will help fortify it.
Fans and their love (along with their deep pockets) will help make it so, but not guarantee it.
This just cements Gottlieb's status as the biggest fake in the industry! Mike Deane and recruiting do not belong in the same sentence. WTF. Buzz and his Non top 100 recruits? Buzz had a ton of top 100 recruits. Sure, he also had juco players but what is Gottlieb talking about. It is clear he has done zero research on Marquette's program. It's actually sad from the standpoint that he is supposed to be an authority on college basketball. He is just spewing garbage and any true fan can see right through this crap. ESPN needs to can this man and his show needs to be cancelled. This article is proof.
Quote from: jt92 on April 11, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
This is my problem with the wojo hiring. If he succeeds he leaves if he sucks...well then he sucks! Not the destination job Cords said it was.
Regarding your: "problem with the wojo hiring". What would you have done differently? Or are you just upset because you think that Cords builds up the job to be more than it is?
Does anyone like Doug Gottlieb besides his mother?
Quote from: jt92 on April 11, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
This is my problem with the wojo hiring. If he succeeds he leaves if he sucks...well then he sucks! Not the destination job Cords said it was.
Kansas fans had a similar problem with the Roy Williams hiring.
Would you all rather Gottlieb didn't mention Marquette at all?
I can assure all of you that if Cuonzo Martin or Brian Wardle had been named head coach, Gottlieb doesn't include Marquette here. If it had been Ben Howland it would have been old news by now.
Let's all be thankful for how this ended up with Wojo. My gut is that we hired the right man for the job.
If he leaves, he leaves. Whatever, that makes 3 successful coaches in a row. Leaving for DUKE would be fine for the program, as no one tried to run down Kansas as a stepping stone job after Williams left for a similarly prestigious UNC job. Now at this point we've had 2 coaches leave for blue bloods, and one left to take less pay under less than glowing circumstances. If I'm the next greatest assistant coaching mind in college basketball, I'd love to launch my career at a place with great resources, and a clear launching pad for my 1a dream career option. I'll have to deal with a week or 2 of pulling my hair out, but then we'll get a new guy. Maybe that guy leaves for UK or Arizona or whatever in 5 years, or maybe that guy is a newly minted winning Wardle. Basically we have the money to make this team good, and the motivation to do so, and that's really all that is going to matter.
The circumstances of Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC are 1. Roy Williams being from UNC probably has bleed UNC blue since he knew what basketball was. 2. Dean Smith directly appealed to Roy Williams to return.
Quote from: boyonthedock on April 12, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
If he leaves, he leaves. Whatever, that makes 3 successful coaches in a row. Leaving for DUKE would be fine for the program, as no one tried to run down Kansas as a stepping stone job after Williams left for a similarly prestigious UNC job. Now at this point we've had 2 coaches leave for blue bloods, and one left to take less pay under less than glowing circumstances. If I'm the next greatest assistant coaching mind in college basketball, I'd love to launch my career at a place with great resources, and a clear launching pad for my 1a dream career option. I'll have to deal with a week or 2 of pulling my hair out, but then we'll get a new guy. Maybe that guy leaves for UK or Arizona or whatever in 5 years, or maybe that guy is a newly minted winning Wardle. Basically we have the money to make this team good, and the motivation to do so, and that's really all that is going to matter.
As a fan you should be ashamed of yourself for this comment. In so many words you just said MARQUETTE is a stepping stone job. That dont fly with me!
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
As a fan you should be ashamed of yourself for this comment. In so many words you just said MARQUETTE is a stepping stone job. That dont fly with me!
Let's say Bo retires from Bucky and they hire Wardle and he is very successful, very successful. Wojo leaves for Duke (which only happens if he is very successful here) and we talk Wardle into coming to MU. Does that make Bucky a stepping stone job? Was ND a stepping stone job when Doherty left fore UNC? Kansas with Roy?
The answer is no. They were not stepping stone jobs.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 12, 2014, 06:43:30 AM
Let's say Bo retires from Bucky and they hire Wardle and he is very successful, very successful. Wojo leaves for Duke (which only happens if he is very successful here) and we talk Wardle into coming to MU. Does that make Bucky a stepping stone job? Was ND a stepping stone job when Doherty left fore UNC? Kansas with Roy?
The answer is no. They were not stepping stone jobs.
That scenario with Wardle would NEVER happen
And with Roy, those are two BLUE BLOOD schools!!
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 06:48:16 AM
That scenario with Wardle would NEVER happen
And with Roy, those are two BLUE BLOOD schools!!
Crean left for a blue blood, Wojo would be leaving for Duke, so a blue blood, and Bret wasn't welcome back. So what's the point?
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 06:48:16 AM
That scenario with Wardle would NEVER happen
And with Roy, those are two BLUE BLOOD schools!!
So Wojo leaving for Duke makes us a stepping stone, but Roy leaving for UNC is justified because it's two blue blood programs? If you don't believe we're a stepping stone, then we must be a blue blood in which case Wojo to Duke would be two blue bloods. I think you reasoning is flawed.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2014, 08:52:48 AM
Crean left for a blue blood, Wojo would be leaving for Duke, so a blue blood, and Bret wasn't welcome back. So what's the point?
EXACTLY
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
As a fan you should be ashamed of yourself for this comment. In so many words you just said MARQUETTE is a stepping stone job. That dont fly with me!
Every job not in the top tier of the profession (in this case, NBA) is a stepping stone under the right circumstances.
Quote from: Oregon Warrior on April 12, 2014, 09:06:14 AM
So Wojo leaving for Duke makes us a stepping stone, but Roy leaving for UNC is justified because it's two blue blood programs? If you don't believe we're a stepping stone, then we must be a blue blood in which case Wojo to Duke would be two blue bloods. I think you reasoning is flawed.
Man you just confused me.
We are a TOP tier stepping stone job
Wojo has the chance to make this a DESTINATION job but I doubt he will.
My point is that ADMINISTRATORS and FANS are OK with Marquette being a stepping stone job. Thats not gonna cut it with me!
Just because we are a stepping stone school its doesn't mean we have to think that way.
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 09:42:59 AM
Man you just confused me.
We are a TOP tier stepping stone job
Wojo has the chance to make this a DESTINATION job but I doubt he will.
My point is that ADMINISTRATORS and FANS are OK with Marquette being a stepping stone job. Thats not gonna cut it with me!
Just because we are a stepping stone school its doesn't mean we have to think that way.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
IF WE ARE A STEPPING STONE TO DUKE, THEN COACH WOJO WILL HAVE ANOTHER BANNER HANGING RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ONE FROM 1977!!!!!!We have him. It's up to us to keep him! Pure and simple.
Quote from: exercisevanity on April 11, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Wait, I don't understand the "News" blurb; do you pronounce it:
Wo-Jo-Wheres-Your-House-Key?
Or just Wojo-House-Key?
?-(
Hah, it's obviously Wojo-House-Key, but the line is a direct quote from him during his hiring press conference.
I think by now everyone should realize that no truly successful coach is staying here long-term unless they are part of the Marquette family. Everyone should really be rooting for Wardle because he would be the one guy who would stick around.
Sure we could have a non-Marquette guy stay as coach for 15+ years but my guess is it will either be an end of career type situation or the guy somehow doesn't appeal to blue bloods.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 12, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
I think by now everyone should realize that no truly successful coach is staying here long-term unless they are part of the Marquette family. Everyone should really be rooting for Wardle because he would be the one guy who would stick around.
Sure we could have a non-Marquette guy stay as coach for 15+ years but my guess is it will either be an end of career type situation or the guy somehow doesn't appeal to blue bloods.
I think keeping a coach is very fragile. Some of it is that the coach needs to have such immense success early that they're willing to stay (Billy Donovan) or they're generally gone. I think it's possible for that to happen, unlikely, but possible.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 11, 2014, 10:44:25 PM
Would you all rather Gottlieb didn't mention Marquette at all?
I can assure all of you that if Cuonzo Martin or Brian Wardle had been named head coach, Gottlieb doesn't include Marquette here. If it had been Ben Howland it would have been old news by now.
Let's all be thankful for how this ended up with Wojo. My gut is that we hired the right man for the job.
Actually, yes. That would be swell.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 11, 2014, 05:58:51 PM
I guess he can still refer to himself as a Domer...
However, Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he was charged with stealing credit cards from a roommate and two others and fraudulently charging over $900 to those cards; Gottlieb has since stated that, after paying back the $900, he was allowed to say he was leaving Notre Dame, when in fact he was expelled.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Gottlieb
GOTTLIEB IS A TOOL!!!
Gotlieb is a hack and any fan who follows college basketball knows that. I don't see the sense in getting riled up by any stupid sh*t Gotlieb says/writes. Eventually, a day will come when CBS or other networks don't hire him but it's likely further away than closer.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 11, 2014, 08:54:04 PM
Does anyone like Doug Gottlieb besides his mother?
this is not a #DoneDeal
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 12, 2014, 02:01:48 AM
The circumstances of Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC are 1. Roy Williams being from UNC probably has bleed UNC blue since he knew what basketball was. 2. Dean Smith directly appealed to Roy Williams to return.
OK, fast-forward 6 years.
1. Wojo being from Duke probably has bled Duke blue since he knew what basketball was. 2. Coach K directly appealed to Wojo to return.
Quote from: atk13thst on April 12, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
As a fan you should be ashamed of yourself for this comment. In so many words you just said MARQUETTE is a stepping stone job. That dont fly with me!
Really, I think of Marquette, as one of the best, if not THE best stepping stone jobs, if I as coach choose to view it that way. I absolutely believe that someone will recognize the fantastic position available at Marquette, and choose to remain here. I'm am putting myself in the shoes of the coach at this point. Obviously, I would personally choose to stay at MU as a fan and alumnus who loves the city of Milwaukee and the program. I'm just simply saying being the 1a stepping stone job is not a bad place to be, and only a hop skip and a jump from being a destination job in and of itself. I like watching MU basketball. MU basketball will always be worth watching as long as the school is committed to the program. If being ok with a coach leaving makes me "not a real fan" I am ok with that as well. I love my school and and will support it even with a revolving door at head coach.
Quote from: boyonthedock on April 12, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
If he leaves, he leaves. Whatever, that makes 3 successful coaches in a row. Leaving for DUKE would be fine for the program, as no one tried to run down Kansas as a stepping stone job after Williams left for a similarly prestigious UNC job. Now at this point we've had 2 coaches leave for blue bloods, and one left to take less pay under less than glowing circumstances. If I'm the next greatest assistant coaching mind in college basketball, I'd love to launch my career at a place with great resources, and a clear launching pad for my 1a dream career option. I'll have to deal with a week or 2 of pulling my hair out, but then we'll get a new guy. Maybe that guy leaves for UK or Arizona or whatever in 5 years, or maybe that guy is a newly minted winning Wardle. Basically we have the money to make this team good, and the motivation to do so, and that's really all that is going to matter.
1) Crean left for Indiana
2) ????
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 13, 2014, 12:53:12 AM
1) Crean left for Indiana
2) ????
2) Wainwright to Globetrotters
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on April 13, 2014, 01:28:30 PM
2) Wainwright to Globetrotters
Well, the "Trotters" have not lost in 30+ years. If that isnlt a blueblood then I dont know what is!