http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/040914aac.html
Paging Sister Maria!
Geno Auriemma to Marquette
#DoneDeal
I am the source.
The kid should have waited a week...
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 09, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
Paging Sister Maria!
Hilarious! A good friend of mine played for her in HS.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 09, 2014, 07:24:25 PM
Hilarious! A good friend of mine played for her in HS.
In Buffalo? A good friend of mine did as well.
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-29/sports/sp-1140_1_nun-thing
Not at all close to the MUBBW scene, but this surprises me. Anyone have any insight?
Insight? They've sucked for some time.
Maybe this is where Howland winds up? ;)
ShakaWatch back on?
Cords is doing work.
Promote Tyler Summit.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 09, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
Promote Tyler Summit.
Became head coach at Louisiana Tech last week.
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/e1b690b5c39e4cf192cc134304ebb906/460x.jpg)
Anyone know what the gig pays?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on April 09, 2014, 07:59:06 PM
Anyone know what the gig pays?
You get a meal plan and a double in Cobeen.
Who cares about Women's basketball???
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Who cares about Women's basketball???
Says the guy who clicked on the thread about women's basketball.
Then replied to the thread about women's basketball.
Quote from: drewm88 on April 09, 2014, 07:53:37 PM
Became head coach at Louisiana Tech last week.
Looks like our timing is a little off.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 09, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
In Buffalo? A good friend of mine did as well.
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-29/sports/sp-1140_1_nun-thing
Yep
Quote from: Marqwarrior89 on April 09, 2014, 08:03:40 PM
$435,000...so way too much
So find a retiring WNBA player making $60k, double her salary, and still come out $300k ahead. Wojo has to make less than Brent, none of the asistants as much as Chew did, and between the TV deal, tournament shares, and increased attendance there should be more money coming in than ever. They're pilng up a nice wad of dough in the athletic department.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 09, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
Looks like our timing is a little off.
Tyler is a 23-year-old with 2 years' experience as an assistant. Not exactly Big East head coach material. Even if he is just coaching a bunch of girls.
Quote from: Marqwarrior89 on April 09, 2014, 08:03:40 PM
$435,000...so way too much
If that's serious, that's pretty insane. Should be able to attract someone pretty good with that figure
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Who cares about Women's basketball???
You should be excited. Cuonzo's got another chance to be our coach.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 09, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
Yep
Did your friend follow her to MU to play for the Warriors? Mine did.
Quote from: chapman on April 09, 2014, 08:24:42 PM
So find a retiring WNBA player making $60k, double her salary, and still come out $300k ahead. Wojo has to make less than Brent, none of the asistants as much as Chew did, and between the TV deal, tournament shares, and increased attendance there should be more money coming in than ever. They're pilng up a nice wad of dough in the athletic department.
How about Rebecca Lobo? Her husband is a Marquette grad.
My nominee.
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Quote from: chapman on April 09, 2014, 08:24:42 PM
So find a retiring WNBA player making $60k, double her salary, and still come out $300k ahead. Wojo has to make less than Brent, none of the asistants as much as Chew did, and between the TV deal, tournament shares, and increased attendance there should be more money coming in than ever. They're pilng up a nice wad of dough in the athletic department.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/breast-cancer-launches-wnba-awareness-month,2574/
If you consider the on campus facilities available and other factors, this coach has seriously under performed. We have a top notch 4,000 seat arena, the entire suite of services from training to academics support and the girls graduate with a Marquette degree. Cords and company need to find someone who can take this program to the next level. I think it helps the overall basketball program when both Men's and Woman's do well.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 09, 2014, 08:32:54 PM
My nominee.
(http://mishopi.image.pbase.com/u11/rainbows/upload/38090845._MG_1734cspw.jpg)
I'd buy season tickets.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 09, 2014, 08:32:54 PM
My nominee.
(http://mishopi.image.pbase.com/u11/rainbows/upload/38090845._MG_1734cspw.jpg)
Hate to burst your bubbles, fellas, but she just accepted the TCU job last week.
http://www.gobulldogs.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/040114aaa.html
Quote from: warriorchick on April 09, 2014, 08:47:21 PM
Hate to burst your bubbles, fellas, but she just accepted the TCU job last week.
http://www.gobulldogs.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/040114aaa.html
Actually the picture is Stacy Johnson-Klein who was fired by Fresno State in 2005.
I ain't believin' it 'til mikehunt or IWB's reportin' it.
Story about her lawsuit against Fresno St.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/2008-05-12-titleix-johnson-klein_N.htm (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/2008-05-12-titleix-johnson-klein_N.htm)
Quote from: Marquette Fan on April 09, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
Actually the picture is Stacy Johnson-Klein who was fired by Fresno State in 2005.
Sorry about that. I thought she had just changed her hair to a natural color.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 09, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Sorry about that. I thought she had just changed her hair to a natural color.
No problem - I just remember her and knew there was some controversy when she got fired - I just didn't realize it had been that long ago now.
I bet Wardle would do it.
I just finished my first season as a girls middle-school coach. We had a losing record but roared from behind to score a first-round upset in our postseason tournament.
And, great guy that I am, I'd do it for HALF of what Mitchell was getting!
Quote from: Marquette Fan on April 09, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
Actually the picture is Stacy Johnson-Klein who was fired by Fresno State in 2005.
So you're saying she's available.
#calledit
How about Kevin Borseth from UWGB?
Cords should place a call for Gail Goestenkors. She's taken a break from coaching. Won big at Duke. Perhaps Wojo can put in good word.
;D
Does Duke have a long time assistant women's coach known for slapping the floor on D?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 09, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
Cords should place a call for Gail Goestenkors. She's taken a break from coaching. Won big at Duke. Perhaps Wojo can put in good word.
;D
She is coaching in the WNBA now: http://www.wnba.com/sparks/los_angeles_sparks_name_gail_g_2014_02_12.html
Just so she slaps something
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 09, 2014, 08:27:28 PM
You should be excited. Cuonzo's got another chance to be our coach.
Wow u remember me. You spend way too much time on here
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 10:36:02 PM
Wow u remember me. You spend way too much time on here
Says the man with 28 posts a day....22 of which are about why Cuonzo should be our coach
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
Says the man with 28 posts a day....22 of which are about why Cuonzo should be our coach
Don't get me started on Cuonzo again...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
Says the man with 28 posts a day....22 of which are about why Cuonzo should be our coach
Heehee haha :/
How you guys know these things about me? Thats kind of creepy
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
How you guys know these things about me? Thats kind of creepy
You can look at anyone's stats when you click on their name. Yours, when clicked, says that you post approximately 27 posts a day. Not to mention, you came out and represented Cuonzo when it got heated. You were quite the staunch defender of him.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 09, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
You can look at anyone's stats when you click on their name. Yours, when clicked, says that you post approximately 27 posts a day. Not to mention, you came out and represented Cuonzo when it got heated. You were quite the staunch defender of him.
Awww ok..lol
So do guys with total posts of 1000+ get teased too? Haha
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 11:46:23 PM
So do guys with total posts of 1000+ get teased too? Haha
All the time. I've witnessed 1 or 2, especially the debate about poverty.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 09, 2014, 11:49:01 PM
All the time. I've witnessed 1 or 2, especially the debate about poverty.
Lol @ debate about poverty
Terrible
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 11:46:23 PM
So do guys with total posts of 1000+ get teased too? Haha
Yes absolutely. But not as much as those who are averaging 28 posts per day....with 22 of those 28 about why Cuonzo Martin should be our coach ;D
Geno Auriema has some assistants on his staff who are also former players from UConn championship teams. Some good pedigree. One of Geno's former players & assistant coaches, has coached at University of Hartford about the same length of time as Terri and in that time frame has had only 1 losing season and has gone to the NCAAs 6 times plus a few WNITs. And UHart has less than half the facilities MU could offer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 09, 2014, 08:28:31 PM
Did your friend follow her to MU to play for the Warriors? Mine did.
No, she played D1 in the MAAC though so she was pretty good.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 10, 2014, 12:26:40 AM
Yes absolutely. But not as much as those who are averaging 28 posts per day....with 22 of those 28 about why Cuonzo Martin should be our coach ;D
Hehee haha :/<<<<<
Get eeeemmmm!
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 10, 2014, 07:14:48 AM
Geno Auriema has some assistants on his staff who are also former players from UConn championship teams. Some good pedigree. One of Geno's former players & assistant coaches, has coached at University of Hartford about the same length of time as Terri and in that time frame has had only 1 losing season and has gone to the NCAAs 6 times plus a few WNITs. And UHart has less than half the facilities MU could offer.
If hiring decisions were made based on online biographies, I'd hire her. http://www.hartfordhawks.com/coaches.aspx?rc=466&path=wbball
Italian and has an Irish husband, so a fair assumption that they are Catholic, too. But she's from Connecticut, would she want to move to MKE?
Missed in all this, Coach Mitchell served our university for 23 years. Is the all time winningest coach, over 300 wins in 18 years. Very fine person. Wishing her only the best
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 08:36:29 AM
Missed in all this, Coach Mitchell served our university for 23 years. Is the all time winningest coach, over 300 wins in 18 years. Very fine person. Wishing her only the best
Agreed.
Gotta get my 28 post average today lol
Quote from: atk13thst on April 10, 2014, 08:57:53 AM
Gotta get my 28 post average today lol
Actually, no. lol
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 10, 2014, 07:14:48 AM
Geno Auriema has some assistants on his staff who are also former players from UConn championship teams. Some good pedigree. One of Geno's former players & assistant coaches, has coached at University of Hartford about the same length of time as Terri and in that time frame has had only 1 losing season and has gone to the NCAAs 6 times plus a few WNITs. And UHart has less than half the facilities MU could offer.
Rizotti has been at Hartford about 14 years and graduated from UCONN in 1996 - the same year Terri became head coach at Marquette. Her success has fallen off a bit at Hartford lately and I don't think she'd want to leave that area anyway.
The only assistant on Geno's staff now that is a former UCONN player is Shea Ralph. Long time assistant Chris Daley played at Rutgers and she hasn't seemed interested in head coaching jobs in the past.
One interesting name I saw pop up on a messageboard is former Notre Dame player Niele Ivey - she's been an assistant at her alma mater for a little while now and ND has been super successful the last few years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 08:36:29 AM
Missed in all this, Coach Mitchell served our university for 23 years. Is the all time winningest coach, over 300 wins in 18 years. Very fine person. Wishing her only the best
Yep. She's one of the good ones.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 08:36:29 AM
Missed in all this, Coach Mitchell served our university for 23 years. Is the all time winningest coach, over 300 wins in 18 years. Very fine person. Wishing her only the best
She's a fantastic person. Loved the couple of opportunities I had to speak with her. I wish her all the best.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 10, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
She's a fantastic person. Loved the couple of opportunities I had to speak with her. I wish her all the best.
She did get a bobblehead a few years back. So she pretty much accomplished everything anyone would set out to do in a basketball career.
Quote from: Done Deal on April 10, 2014, 09:14:18 AM
probably a higher salary than he has now
Actually this is absolutely true. It's well known that the UWGB job is one of the lowest paying D-1 jobs at about 140,000. Terri made like 450,000.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 10, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
She did get a bobblehead a few years back. So she pretty much accomplished everything anyone would set out to do in a basketball career.
Well except win the NCAA tournament consistently.
as I posted yesterday
"The team just produced a HM All American and has a really strong JR class coming back to lead as seniors. I would guess that if next year is not successful (at least 1 NCAA win) they might consider finding a new coach. Mitchell is great as a leader and person but since we have been in the Big East (9 Seasons) here are her results
2 NCAA 2nd rounds (2-2 record overall)
1 WNIT Championship
1 WNIT runner up
3 WNIT 2nd rounds
1 WNIT 1st round
2 No Postseason
Only having "successful" seasons half the time is a bit of a letdown and making the NCAA's only twice is not good, especially after they went the first 4 years in a row when she was hired"
Obviously they want some positive movement with a good class and new coach
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 09, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
You can look at anyone's stats when you click on their name. Yours, when clicked, says that you post approximately 27 posts a day. Not to mention, you came out and represented Cuonzo when it got heated. You were quite the staunch defender of him.
Says the man wiht 42.8 posts per day. :)
Quote from: MUMonster03 on April 10, 2014, 11:09:13 AM
Says the man wiht 42.8 posts per day. :)
It used to be 50. We're transitioning into the warmer months, so expect a steep decline. lol.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 10, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
If hiring decisions were made based on online biographies, I'd hire her. http://www.hartfordhawks.com/coaches.aspx?rc=466&path=wbball
Italian and has an Irish husband, so a fair assumption that they are Catholic, too. But she's from Connecticut, would she want to move to MKE?
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Quote from: Zombie45 on April 10, 2014, 11:00:00 AM
as I posted yesterday
"The team just produced a HM All American and has a really strong JR class coming back to lead as seniors. I would guess that if next year is not successful (at least 1 NCAA win) they might consider finding a new coach. Mitchell is great as a leader and person but since we have been in the Big East (9 Seasons) here are her results
2 NCAA 2nd rounds (2-2 record overall)
1 WNIT Championship
1 WNIT runner up
3 WNIT 2nd rounds
1 WNIT 1st round
2 No Postseason
Only having "successful" seasons half the time is a bit of a letdown and making the NCAA's only twice is not good, especially after they went the first 4 years in a row when she was hired"
Obviously they want some positive movement with a good class and new coach
All true, though for some of us that were around prior to Terri, she elevated the program considerably.
Lets get in a bidding war for that Muffett chick at ND. Really get our name out there...we are serious about the women's game!?!?!
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 10, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
It used to be 50. We're transitioning into the warmer months, so expect a steep decline. lol.
Lol...its 74 degrees where im at. So im more of a doof than u are haha
I still say we should go after Rebecca Lobo.
Im gonna miss Terri. Always super personable, very charismatic and just a lot of fun to be around. I was at the annex one day and she saw me wearing my Northwestern football jersey and talked to me about Northwestern football for awhile. Pretty much had dinner with her. She HATED Brent. Those two did not get along at all.
Who are we kidding? When a Johnson-Klein speaks a Marquette needs to stand up and listen!
(http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2008/05/12/johnson-klein-mainx.jpg)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 11:59:09 AM
All true, though for some of us that were around prior to Terri, she elevated the program considerably.
Terri is a lot like Mike. She walked into a great situation. Jim Jabir had it rolling (2 NCAAs in his last 3 years) and had just landed Abbie & Lisa. Those Jabir recruits gave Terri arguably her greatest success. She never seemed to be able to take advantage of the move to the Big East like it appears that every other program at Marquette was able to do. Great person, someone who has done a ton for the community and been a great ambassador for MU but this move was needed if we want WBB to be on the same plane as WSOC, MSOC, WVB, MBB, Men's Golf etc.
We need to hire somebody hot.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
We need to hire somebody hot.
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, reinvigorated and ready! Can Marquette not see the potential of this woman on the hardwood? Hire Stacy John-Klein now!
Mods: Please post Bill Cords email address. You have your mission.
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Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, reinvigorated and ready! Can Marquette not see the potential of this woman on the hardwood? Hire Stacy John-Klein now!
Mods: Please post Bill Cords email address. You have your mission.
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hardwood. I like what you did there Keefe.
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, reinvigorated and ready! Can Marquette not see the potential of this woman on the hardwood? Hire Stacy John-Klein now!
Mods: Please post Bill Cords email address. You have your mission.
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Keefe to the rescue with a photo montage! We would expect nothing less.
Any Israeli military service in her background? I'm willing to stretch the definition of service if it will help secure her talents for my alma mater.
Quote from: The Lens on April 10, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
Terri is a lot like Mike. She walked into a great situation. Jim Jabir had it rolling (2 NCAAs in his last 3 years) and had just landed Abbie & Lisa. Those Jabir recruits gave Terri arguably her greatest success. She never seemed to be able to take advantage of the move to the Big East like it appears that every other program at Marquette was able to do. Great person, someone who has done a ton for the community and been a great ambassador for MU but this move was needed if we want WBB to be on the same plane as WSOC, MSOC, WVB, MBB, Men's Golf etc.
Don't disagree....Jim did some great things and in the wonderful tradition of MU basketball coaches with a little success, they leave for something else and crap out.
That being said, Terri was able to get back to the NCAAs three or four times long after that class left. She had a chance to leave on several occasions and chose to stay. I'm sure this was a tough decision as Bill was a very big fan of hers.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 03:29:16 PM
Don't disagree....Jim did some great things and in the wonderful tradition of MU basketball coaches with a little success, they leave for something else and crap out.
That being said, Terri was able to get back to the NCAAs three or four times long after that class left. She had a chance to leave on several occasions and chose to stay. I'm sure this was a tough decision as Bill was a very big fan of hers.
That's what is so odd about the timing. Does Bill Cords really come in a fire Terri Mitchell? Or is this above him? I know Bill is not your typical interim AD but it strikes me as odd that you would remove someone who has been there so long.
Was she fired, or did she decide to leave? Mutual? I have no idea. If she had decided on her own, I would expect that to be part of the press release.
Good question, though.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 03:51:23 PM
Was she fired, or did she decide to leave? Mutual? I have no idea. If she had decided on her own, I would expect that to be part of the press release.
Good question, though.
Sounds like it was an amicable firing. She probably knew it was coming. And they let out an ambiguous press release to soften the blow after she agreed not to fight it.
If she didn't leave for a new job, and didn't announce her retirement, you sort of have to assume that's what it was.
I believe her contract was up, so aided by the convenience factor. Technically not a firing or quitting. If she was still under contract for a year or two, good chance they'd let her finish it out...or if her contract ended a year or two ago, also a shot they would have just not renewed it then.
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, reinvigorated and ready! Can Marquette not see the potential of this woman on the hardwood? Hire Stacy John-Klein now!
Mods: Please post Bill Cords email address. You have your mission.
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You realize she doesn't look like that any more, right?
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 10, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
Any Israeli military service in her background? I'm willing to stretch the definition of service if it will help secure her talents for my alma mater.
Does she coach volleyball too?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 03:51:23 PM
Was she fired, or did she decide to leave? Mutual? I have no idea. If she had decided on her own, I would expect that to be part of the press release.
Good question, though.
JD
Does it really matter? Please. We should not focus on the past. Rather, Marquette Athletics must look to the future and ask if it is prepared to make a statement. To let the world know it means business and is not about to settle for anything less than the very best.
Marquette must announce to the world that it will no longer accept mediocrity and that it insists on putting the best possible face out to the public. Since the days of Tex Winter and Al McGuire Marquette has distinguished itself as a leader, an institution not willing to simply keep abreast of innovation but to be seen leaning forward to cleave through the stodgy, the tired, and the old.
We cherish our heritage and hold close to our bosom the values that have set us apart from the more pedestrian in a cluttered landscape of ordinary. The Marquette faithful want only to suckle at the teat of victory, to once again savor the sweet milk of triumph.
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, rejuvenated, and ready. Hiring her is in keeping with the finest traditions of Marquette University Athletics. We cannot afford for this hire to be a bust. Hire Johnson-Klein now, I say!
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpAWInQVJi0ecBmyV91-FPWH9OHjfxmfSSjyh1XTcloTE7z33Z)
(http://www.resacabeach.com/StacyJohnson73-26.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqbqJ9-JzqWfGy38UGyRy-YTwK1YZ3ahxtdZfKyO13PtH3dcvz)
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(http://bp3.blogger.com/_eo2Equ6rnIk/SIAs367mutI/AAAAAAAAB5Q/nhplwxmvWYo/s400/stacyjohnsonklein.jpg)
I sat with her once back when they used to do the basketball lunches in Chicago. She was very nice and personable. I went to the Big East tournament games in Chicago and really liked how she was not manic on the sidelines and how hard the team played.
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
JD
Does it really matter? Please. We should not focus on the past. Rather, Marquette Athletics must look to the future and ask if it is prepared to make a statement. To let the world know it means business and is not about to settle for anything less than the very best.
Marquette must announce to the world that it will no longer accept mediocrity and that it insists on putting the best possible face out to the public. Since the days of Tex Winter and Al McGuire Marquette has distinguished itself as a leader, an institution not willing to simply keep abreast of innovation but to be seen leaning forward to cleave through the stodgy, the tired, and the old.
We cherish our heritage and hold close to our bosom the values that have set us apart from the more pedestrian in a cluttered landscape of ordinary. The Marquette faithful want only to suckle at the teat of victory, to once again savor the sweet milk of triumph.
Stacy Johnson-Klein is rested, rejuvenated, and ready. Hiring her is in keeping with the finest traditions of Marquette University Athletics. We cannot afford for this hire to be a bust. Hire Johnson-Klein now, I say!
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpAWInQVJi0ecBmyV91-FPWH9OHjfxmfSSjyh1XTcloTE7z33Z)
(http://www.resacabeach.com/StacyJohnson73-26.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqbqJ9-JzqWfGy38UGyRy-YTwK1YZ3ahxtdZfKyO13PtH3dcvz)
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(http://bp3.blogger.com/_eo2Equ6rnIk/SIAs367mutI/AAAAAAAAB5Q/nhplwxmvWYo/s400/stacyjohnsonklein.jpg)
Wojo was a statement hire in some sense, I think this women is perhaps a Sports Center worthy hire that should be the lede. Definitely will raise the profile among some.
This is the third head coach leaving Marquette this academic year. Volleyball coach, men's ball, womens ball. Coincidence or something going on?
While we can't begin to understand the decision-making process behind the gossamer veil we can appreciate that Marquette can do the right thing, finally, and that is to bring in a coach who will substantially upgrade the profile of its athletic programs. I submit that Stacy Johnson-Klein has the attributes needed at this critical juncture in the university's history.
Heard she loves that Beatle's oldie but goodie, "Twist and Shout" while on the hardwood.
Quote from: MUBillsTil2017 on April 10, 2014, 07:13:55 PM
Wojo was a statement hire in some sense, I think this women is perhaps a Sports Center worthy hire that should be the lede. Definitely will raise the profile among some.
This is the third head coach leaving Marquette this academic year. Volleyball coach, men's ball, womens ball. Coincidence or something going on?
Nah. Bond left for his dream job. Nobody can really blame him there. Brent is still kind of head scratching and Terri wasnt getting it done. All separate situations.
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2014, 08:39:07 AM
Missed in all this, Coach Mitchell served our university for 23 years. Is the all time winningest coach, over 300 wins in 18 years. Very fine person. Wishing her only the best
Agreed.
I agree, as well, and frankly, I think it sends the absolutely wrong message to the world at large. I can think of no better personification of "cura personalis" than Coach Terri Mitchell.
Quote from: wildbill sb on April 10, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
I agree, as well, and frankly, I think it sends the absolutely wrong message to the world at large. I can think of no better personification of "cura personalis" than Coach Terri Mitchell.
That's a great concept but her primary job description is to win basketball games. Counselors and such can support in the molding of young women. You don't pay guidance counselors Half a Big Mile. If Terri Mitchell wanted that to be her primary deliverable then she needed to adjust her pay to reflect her very much diminished responsibilities.
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
That's a great concept but her primary job description is to win basketball games. Counselors and such can support in the molding of young women. You don't pay guidance counselors Half a Big Mile. If Terri Mitchell wanted that to be her primary deliverable then she needed to adjust her pay to reflect her very much diminished responsibilities.
And shes the winningest coach in Marquette history. Whats your point?
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
That's a great concept but her primary job description is to win basketball games. Counselors and such can support in the molding of young women. You don't pay guidance counselors Half a Big Mile. If Terri Mitchell wanted that to be her primary deliverable then she needed to adjust her pay to reflect her very much diminished responsibilities.
I read the "great concept" less as pie-in-sky and more as a practical guide for MU's institutional direction, which Terri embodies. I don't know what her salary is, but in dollar and cents parlance, Terri was worth every penny...and then some.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 10, 2014, 08:48:27 PM
And shes the winningest coach in Marquette history. Whats your point?
Longevity is a wonderful thing. And clearly she wasn't winning enough for her employer's liking. I met her briefly once and she seems like a very nice person.
But she isn't being paid $500M a year to be nice. She is the CEO of an IBU at Marquette, Inc. Her numbers are off and I'm sure she was told she needed to improve her performance or else. She didn't so her shareholders will try to find someone else who can deliver a better ROI.
When you get the big bucks you also get the spotlight. Perform or else. I would say that she her performance over the past decade has been wanting.
If you are genuinely concerned I would say you shouldn't be. I doubt she has blown her stash on hookers, Dom, and designer pharmaceuticals so she likely doesn't have to work ever again. Unless you become a professional athlete, get in on an early stage IT company, or go into I-banking your lifetime comp will not come close to what Terri Mitchell socked away.
Tell you what - find her on the street, tell her you pay tuition at MU, and ask her to float you a dozen or so Benjamins. If she whips out her wallet then I will stand corrected. But I will bet she no more gives you the time of day than she would a stranger in a Turkish Bath.
Quote from: wildbill sb on April 10, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
I read the "great concept" less as pie-in-sky and more as a practical guide for MU's institutional direction, which Terri embodies. I don't know what her salary is, but in dollar and cents parlance, Terri was worth every penny...and then some.
I guess her employer would disagree with you. I doubt she was let go because of any moral turpitude issues. And I rather doubt she was bending if not breaking compliance laws. She was dismissed for performance issues. I have seen her comp numbers and they approximate what senior people make at an MNC like PepsiCo or GE, And like those executives, Terri Mitchell was expected to deliver a return.
I think her deliverables were: Win. Do so ethically. Prepare your student athletes for life after Marquette. Develop your staff. .750 would be a great BA for a Mariner but it is failure for a role that expects 1.000.
She was awarded $6M in her lawsuit, doubt she will be coaching any time soon
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 09:10:50 PM
I guess her employer would disagree with you. I doubt she was let go because of any moral turpitude issues. And I rather doubt she was bending if not breaking compliance laws. She was dismissed for performance issues. I have seen her comp numbers and they approximate what senior people make at an MNC like PepsiCo or GE, And like those executives, Terri Mitchell was expected to deliver a return.
I think her deliverables were: Win. Do so ethically. Prepare your student athletes for life after Marquette. Develop your staff. .750 would be a great BA for a Mariner but it is failure for a role that expects 1.000.
Is it merely a $ and ¢ issue? Or does MU embody more than that?
Methinks Johnny Rev said it best:
Terri personified Marquette's Catholic and Jesuit mission about as well as anyone else in the university, and that over 23 years. I know she was amazing in helping players in trouble or need, and she always played by the rules. She also had a bad streak of terrible luck the last several years, with multiple ACL injuries to her star players and to several star recruits who never saw the court their first year because of injuries. Regardless, non-negotiables in coaching are recruiting and winning, and those did not work out for her as much later in her career. I'm guessing that if Terri saved her money, she might not take any other coaching rat-race job but spend her energy helping the less fortunate in some capacity. She will be missed, certainly by me.
Quote from: wildbill sb on April 10, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
Is it merely a $ and ¢ issue? Or does MU embody more than that?
Methinks Johnny Rev said it best:
Terri personified Marquette's Catholic and Jesuit mission about as well as anyone else in the university, and that over 23 years. I know she was amazing in helping players in trouble or need, and she always played by the rules. She also had a bad streak of terrible luck the last several years, with multiple ACL injuries to her star players and to several star recruits who never saw the court their first year because of injuries. Regardless, non-negotiables in coaching are recruiting and winning, and those did not work out for her as much later in her career. I'm guessing that if Terri saved her money, she might not take any other coaching rat-race job but spend her energy helping the less fortunate in some capacity. She will be missed, certainly by me.
You cannot dismiss the business dimension of major college athletics. The reality is she was paid a prince's ransom to deliver a return on that investment. I am certain her major deliverables were as I stated before:
Win
Do so ethically
Prepare your students for life after MU
Develop your staff
If she cannot meet all four of these MU needs to find someone who can and will.
Do I feel bad she lost her job? Not at all. She is financially secure. She is physically safe, has access to clean water, and worries about eating too much rather than wondering if she will eat that day. There are many more far more in need of compassion - Kirat girls being sex trafficked, Isaaq girls starving to death because their parents have to choose, Quechua kids dying from dysentery, etc...
I have known guys in the corporate world who have taken a bullet and every one landed on his feet. Each one went home to a beautiful house and surrounded himself with loved ones and possibly splashed out a couple fingers of single malt to numb some of the insult. My only regret in these cases was selfish - I felt bad that I would miss their daily fellowship.
Should Marquette not have expectations of performance from its employees any less than what it expects from its students?
What does MU expect form its students?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
What does MU expect form its students?
To get above a 2.0 and even then you can get below that for 2 semesters before you get tossed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
What does MU expect form its students?
Jams
You know damn well Marquette has terms of engagement. I don't have a list in front of me but you have to maintain a certain GPA, pay your bills, go to class (I assume they still take attendance,) no weed in dorms, no cheating or abiding those who do, etc... Failure to comply means you leave.
Since when do you, of all people on Scoop, not have expectations of accountability and personal responsibility? Terri Mitchell was expected to win and she didn't. I am not saying she should have been fired but I do understand why she was.
People on GeoCities were screaming for Mike Deane's head for very similar performance - let's be happy with the NIT and be thrilled with the occasional NCAA. I will allow that Deane's lifestyle was probably less in keeping with the Marquette ideal than Mitchell's, but a fondness for indulging nocturnal hungers is not an employer's concern. So does Mitchell get a pass on mediocre performance because she's a nice person? Not at half a million dollars a year she doesn't.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
What does MU expect form its students?
Well for Marquette student athletes, To win the Big East.
That is the primary goal. Academics is secondary at best.
This is the message I've gotten from my kid playing D1 at Marquette.
I have no bitch about that. It's D1 for crying out loud. It is up to parents to refocus their kids goals.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 09:43:56 PM
She was awarded $6M in her lawsuit, doubt she will be coaching any time soon
I lost track. Who got $6M and for what lawsuit? Thanks.
Quote from: keefe on April 10, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
Jams
You know damn well Marquette has terms of engagement. I don't have a list in front of me but you have to maintain a certain GPA, pay your bills, go to class (I assume they still take attendance,) no weed in dorms, no cheating or abiding those who do, etc... Failure to comply means you leave.
Since when do you, of all people on Scoop, not have expectations of accountability and personal responsibility? Terri Mitchell was expected to win and she didn't. I am not saying she should have been fired but I do understand why she was.
People on GeoCities were screaming for Mike Deane's head for very similar performance - let's be happy with the NIT and be thrilled with the occasional NCAA. I will allow that Deane's lifestyle was probably less in keeping with the Marquette ideal than Mitchell's, but a fondness for indulging nocturnal hungers is not an employer's concern. So does Mitchell get a pass on mediocre performance because she's a nice person? Not at half a million dollars a year she doesn't.
I merely asked a question. I thought you made a compelling argument until the last two sentences when you mentioned the demands of students. You lost me there. MU has eligibility requirements for the student body, but those requirements are loose and not very hard IMO. I don't see how that comparison holds up with your greater argument that the women's basketball coach has to be better, certainly better than a C student that is required of MU. Thus the question.
Nothing more
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
I merely asked a question. I thought you made a compelling argument until the last two sentences when you mentioned the demands of students. You lost me there. MU has eligibility requirements for the student body, but those requirements are loose and not very hard IMO. I don't see how that comparison holds up with your greater argument that the women's basketball coach has to be better, certainly better than a C student that is required of MU. Thus the question.
Nothing more
Marquette must have accountability for all of its employees and students. But this, in turn, begs the question who holds Marquette accountable?
I am going way back to when we were students but my wife was close with a faculty member in the College of Liberal Arts. He has a PhD from one of best Ivies and was extremely well liked by the students. Through my wife I got to know this professor socially. He is urbane, sophisticated, witty, and has an intellectual depth that is both fascinating and frightening.
He was dismissed by Marquette for unspecified reasons but everyone knew it was all about his orientation. This gent asked me to speak on his behalf - I was one of several students, faculty members, and community members who did so.
As part of the process I met with the Dean of Liberal Arts and an appeal committee of some sort. Of course the appeal went nowhere and our friend left Marquette, wounded and questioning the Faith of his family. Interestingly, he entered a religious order and remains active in apostolic work through this day. He is gay though celibate.
We were married by Corbett Walsh, then the Assistant Dean of Liberal Arts, who was close with my wife. I had a beer with Fr Walsh later and I asked him about that whole matter. He essentially related that Marquette is not the warm loving place they want everyone to see them as. Corbett knew I had made a statement in support of the faculty member and he did say that it was likely ok since I was in my last semester in a different school.
I relate this story as many seem to think MU somehow transcends the vulgar politics of the rest of the world. There is ample evidence that the Church and the Ivory Tower are both cynical, ruthless worlds hardly immune from the profanity of the secular. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naïve.
Quote from: MUBillsTil2017 on April 10, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
Well for Marquette student athletes, To win the Big East.
That is the primary goal. Academics is secondary at best.
This is the message I've gotten from my kid playing D1 at Marquette.
I have no bitch about that. It's D1 for crying out loud. It is up to parents to refocus their kids goals.
You are absolutely correct. Marquette does not care about the student athletes other than what they can do on the playing field. The kids are nothing more than a commodity that comes and goes. Academics only matter to the extent that the kid remains eligible and graduate to the extent required. It forces the kids into the real world before graduation, which may or may not be a good thing.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 10, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
I lost track. Who got $6M and for what lawsuit? Thanks.
The Fresno State ex-women's hoop coach
Quote from: Texas Western on April 10, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
You are absolutely correct. Marquette does not care about the student athletes other than what they can do on the playing field. The kids are nothing more than a commodity that comes and goes. Academics only matter to the extent that the kid remains eligible and graduate to the extent required. It forces the kids into the real world before graduation, which may or may not be a good thing.
As a former member of the athletic department for 5+ years, I can tell you are full of crap. No doubt success on the fields of play is critical, that's why you are there on a scholarship. When you say Marquette does not care about the student athletes other than what they do on the field, you're just wrong.
Crash...MU is part of the real world like any other entity. It is an institution made up of human beings, and thus rides at the whims of human actions.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 11:09:18 PM
Crash...MU is part of the real world like any other entity. It is an institution made up of human beings, and thus rides at the whims of human actions.
Concur. And for those who may harbor doubt one need only read through the history of the Society. It was not merely a fondness for black uniforms that caused Heinrich Himmler to model the SS on the Society.
So if they knew they were going to let Mitchell go, how did they let Tyler Summit get away? Sure he is 23 but I think they will regret not giving him the chance
Quote from: MUgrad80 on April 11, 2014, 12:52:41 AM
So if they knew they were going to let Mitchell go, how did they let Tyler Summit get away? Sure he is 23 but I think they will regret not giving him the chance
I can't believe they would hire Summit. Having said which, back in the day LA Tech and ODU were powerhouses in women's hoops.
Quote from: MUgrad80 on April 11, 2014, 12:52:41 AM
So if they knew they were going to let Mitchell go, how did they let Tyler Summit get away? Sure he is 23 but I think they will regret not giving him the chance
This is just silly. Because of his mother? Frankly, I find it a little strange that this kid has gravitated to women's basketball at such a young age.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 06:37:24 AM
This is just silly. Because of his mother? Frankly, I find it a little strange that this kid has gravitated to women's basketball at such a young age.
Most likely since he has been a part of women's basketball since he was literally a week old. (http://assets.espn.go.com/i/eticket/20090202/photos/etick_tylerpreshoist_850.jpg)
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Quote from: warriorchick on April 11, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
Most likely since he has been a part of women's basketball since he was literally a week old. (http://assets.espn.go.com/i/eticket/20090202/photos/etick_tylerpreshoist_850.jpg)
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So we should hire him?
Were you under the impression I did not know who his mother was? Because I am fully aware.
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 10, 2014, 11:08:05 PM
As a former member of the athletic department for 5+ years, I can tell you are full of crap. No doubt success on the fields of play is critical, that's why you are there on a scholarship. When you say Marquette does not care about the student athletes other than what they do on the field, you're just wrong.
I am sure there are individual members of the athletic department that care about an individual kid here and there. You may have your view as former member of the department.However you have that perspective as the administrator. I am giving you the perspective as a parent ( as did Mr Pays Bills till 2017). By the way I am not saying Marquette is any better or worse than the next D-1. Have kids in ACC and Big Ten and life is the same there. All that matters is winning. The academic side is purely a function of keeping kids eligible. There is absolutely zero loyalty to the student athlete who is working their tail off. The only loyalty is to wins and losses and bottom line. The only respect the athletic department has shown our family is when they have their hand out for donations. If I bring the check book a meeting with any one in the University is possible.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
So we should hire him?
Were you under the impression I did not know who his mother was? Because I am fully aware.
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
That is such an ignorant and such a misogynistic statement. They work just as hard, if not harder then the men who play. You are basically insulting every woman who has played basketball, my sister being one of them. I dont see the problem with Tyler wanting to coach a womens team. Its what he knows and what he is best at.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
So we should hire him?
Were you under the impression I did not know who his mother was? Because I am fully aware.
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
Seriously? You honestly believe that any guy who would rather coach women's basketball is a head case? What is wrong with you?
Wow, you guys read a lot into that comment that wasn't necessarily there.
I guess it's the offseason, so let's get indignant on the Internet! Rabble rabble rabble!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 11, 2014, 10:14:15 AM
Wow, you guys read a lot into that comment that wasn't necessarily there.
I guess it's the offseason, so let's get indignant on the Internet! Rabble rabble rabble!
So how exactly did I misread the statement "The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch"?
This guy spent 23 years within arm's length of the John Wooden of women's basketball. Why would it be surprising (or "crazy") that he would choose to coach it?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
Show some class PRN. This is just bad
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
So we should hire him?
Were you under the impression I did not know who his mother was? Because I am fully aware.
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
If Gino Auriemma heard you say this, he would castrate you and then have his team shoot free throws with your manhood.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 11, 2014, 11:16:24 AM
If Gino Auriemma heard you say this, he would castrate you and then have his team shoot free throws with your manhood.
PRN's balls don't bounce like a Spalding so watch your dribble!
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
PRN's balls don't bounce like a Spalding so watch your dribble!
Dead Ball Foul !!!!!
Well if it's going to be that kind of party I might as well stick my dick in the mashed potatoes
Quote from: warriorchick on April 11, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
So how exactly did I misread the statement "The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch"?
This guy spent 23 years within arm's length of the John Wooden of women's basketball. Why would it be surprising (or "crazy") that he would choose to coach it?
I grew up watching my father and his colleagues strap jets on their back and roar off into the wild blue yonder to take on Ivan. My Father grew up watching his father and mates strap piston powered prop aircraft onto their backs and fly off into the wild blue yonder to beat back the Hun.
Boys have always grown up wanting to follow in their father's footsteps. My father and his brothers did and each flew in the military, two for the duration of WW II and my father for 33 years. I did the same.
To PRN's point, where was Mr. Pat Summit these past 23 years? Young males identify with and emulate their fathers. This is hard-coded into our DNA. It is a fact.
If my father had coached women's basketball I might have had a different career path. But my father did not coach women's basketball. In fact, the very thought is laughable. There is no way in hell he would have done that but he was of a different generation.
I recall visiting my parents on leave when my youngest sister was finishing up HS. We were at the dinner table and my college-educated mother announced she was going to apply for a teaching job. She had never worked outside the home in my lifetime.
My father essentially let his wife run the household and he followed her instructions on all things rather well. But this was completely unacceptable to him. I recall he looked at her directly and simply said his wife did not have to work. And her interest was not economic but social as a woman wrapping up a life chapter and looking for the next volume.
In his construct there were clearly defined roles and his wife taking a job meant he was not upholding his end of the social contract. He wasn't wrong in this belief as his father, and grand, and great grand likely had the same values.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
So we should hire him?
Were you under the impression I did not know who his mother was? Because I am fully aware.
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
The hell is wrong with you?
Tyler needs to find himself and blaze his own trail. It may not be as successful, but I support him and thank him for his time with MU.
This program needs a boost. It hit complacency stage and when there's no progress, the seat (should have) gets hot.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
To PRN's point, where was Mr. Pat Summit these past 23 years? Young males identify with and emulate their fathers. This is hard-coded into our DNA. It is a fact.
Mr. Pat Summitt (actually Ross Barnes "R.B." Summitt) was a bank president. I doubt that little Ross Tyler Summitt got much thrill from seeing his dad pick up a briefcase and get into his sedan.
One of the reasons that Tyler spent so much time observing women's basketball is that even today, it's generally the mother's responsibility to take care of the children, and if the babysitter is off-duty, it's Mom's problem. Despite all the groundbreaking she did for women's sports (and for women in society in general), she tried really hard to fill the traditional wife/mother role. Despite a schedule that would probably put most Men's basketball head coaches to shame, she still put dinner on the table for her husband and son every night she was home.
I highly recommend her autobiography, "Sum It Up." I think it is impossible to read without gaining a great deal of respect for her and the other pioneers of women's sports.
maybe he just likes going into the women's locker room
Quote from: Done Deal on April 11, 2014, 12:46:05 PM
maybe he just likes going into the women's locker room
+ 6 inches
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
The fact that he's pursuing coaching women's basketball is a case for a therapist's couch.
WOW! Not cool.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 11, 2014, 09:44:11 AM
That is such an ignorant and such a misogynistic statement. They work just as hard, if not harder then the men who play. You are basically insulting every woman who has played basketball, my sister being one of them. I dont see the problem with Tyler wanting to coach a womens team. Its what he knows and what he is best at.
What are you talking about? How am I insulting your sister?
Quote from: warriorchick on April 11, 2014, 12:36:48 PM
Mr. Pat Summitt (actually Ross Barnes "R.B." Summitt) was a bank president. I doubt that little Ross Tyler Summitt got much thrill from seeing his dad pick up a briefcase and get into his sedan.
One of the reasons that Tyler spent so much time observing women's basketball is that even today, it's generally the mother's responsibility to take care of the children, and if the babysitter is off-duty, it's Mom's problem. Despite all the groundbreaking she did for women's sports (and for women in society in general), she tried really hard to fill the traditional wife/mother role. Despite a schedule that would probably put most Men's basketball head coaches to shame, she still put dinner on the table for her husband and son every night she was home.
I highly recommend her autobiography, "Sum It Up." I think it is impossible to read without gaining a great deal of respect for her and the other pioneers of women's sports.
I remember when we had our first my wife made up some bs rule about toy guns and plastic army men being forbidden. She conceded defeat when her 2 year son was picking tree branches and shooting at passing cars and birds.
She never wanted any of the kids to continue the tradition of flying in the military. It was only at the end when she told me that she feared having them do something that dangerous. Interesting insight into the psychology of women - the husband is expected to do what is necessary to bring meat and skins back to the cave but a mother will always be obsessively protective of her cubs. I never saw that until that very moment. Again, Mother Nature's code is still hard wired into our brains.
You can all say it's "not cool" or lacking in class or asking what is "wrong with me" all you want. I am right.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 11, 2014, 11:16:24 AM
If Gino Auriemma heard you say this, he would castrate you and then have his team shoot free throws with your manhood.
Auriemma is a tiny little sawed off half man who has been over compensating for his lack of stature for many, many years.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 01:04:49 PM
You can all say it's "not cool" or lacking in class or asking what is "wrong with me" all you want. I am right.
Uhh no. Pat Summitt is arguably in the top 5 coaches of all time, men or women. Why wouldnt her son want to be like that? She has over 1k wins. In terms of my sister, you basically accused Tyler of having a mental disorder for liking womens basketball. What does that say about your thoughts on the people who play it? Thats just outrageous.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 01:07:59 PM
Auriemma is a tiny little sawed off half man who has been over compensating for his lack of stature for many, many years.
Nightmare
The Deaner is just effin with ya
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 11, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
Uhh no. Pat Summitt is arguably in the top 5 coaches of all time, men or women. Why wouldnt her son want to be like that? She has over 1k wins. In terms of my sister, you basically accused Tyler of having a mental disorder for liking womens basketball. What does that say about your thoughts on the people who play it? Thats just outrageous.
Son, you would do well to take a course in Logic. Just to scrape off some of those obtuse edges.
You are missing Nightmare's point entirely.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 01:13:38 PM
Son, you would do well to take a course in Logic. Just to scrape off some of those obtuse edges.
You are missing Nightmare's point entirely.
Enlighten us, Oh Wise One, because I must have missed it as well.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 11, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
Enlighten us, Oh Wise One, because I must have missed it as well.
Read what Nightmare wrote and how Esard replied. He can take issue with Nightmare's comment but he needs to do so more logically.
I get this guy is friends with your kids but he is wrong on this.
Keefe,
Having written a thesis on gender identity development, I can tell you with 100% certainty that your belief about "Mother Nature's Code being hardwired into our brains" is unequivocally false.
Yes it is true, most men follow in their father's footsteps. And most mothers want to protect their children, but it has been proved repeatedly that men and women have the exact same instincts and drives when it comes to raising children. The only "code" that mother nature has driven into us is a natural instinct to protect our children and it is found in both men and women.
What changes is how that instinct manifests itself. Most American men choose to protect the child by providing for it and toughening it up. Most American women choose to protect the child in a more literal sense. This comes from generations of gender roles being normalized, not genetics. Men and women are trained from birth in these gender roles....so much so that breaking from them was viewed as a mental disorder until recently (and some still view it this way). Do you really think your son playing with make believe guns as a child was really a product of genetics and not the society he grew up in?
And before any starts throwing the anti-pc hand grenades, I am not criticizing gender roles. They exist, it's part of the world we live in. I think they can help men and women find identity and meaning in their lives which is ultimately a good thing. All I hope for is world where a man isn't criticized as "a case for a therapist's couch" when he decides to pursue a career that is dominated by women.
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Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 11, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
Uhh no. Pat Summitt is arguably in the top 5 coaches of all time, men or women. Why wouldnt her son want to be like that? She has over 1k wins. In terms of my sister, you basically accused Tyler of having a mental disorder for liking womens basketball. What does that say about your thoughts on the people who play it? Thats just outrageous.
I'm going to rank the top 5 men's coaches over her every day and not look back. The pure talent disparity between the top women's teams and the bottom (not to mention the #1 to, say, the #6) is so ridiculous that, no, I'm not buying she's as good of a coach.
The fact that there were TWO undefeated teams that met in the championship game this year should tell you enough...and it was a blowout!
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on April 11, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
Uhh no. Pat Summitt is arguably in the top 5 coaches of all time, men or women. Why wouldnt her son want to be like that? She has over 1k wins. In terms of my sister, you basically accused Tyler of having a mental disorder for liking womens basketball. What does that say about your thoughts on the people who play it? Thats just outrageous.
You're suggesting all those in therapy have mental disorders?
I am suggesting this Summit kid may be a nice kid and coach, but he's got Mommy issues in spades. Suggesting otherwise is just being willfully ignorant.
You know what my thoughts are about people who play women's basketball? They're women.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
I am suggesting this Summit kid may be a nice kid and coach, but he's got Mommy issues in spades. Suggesting otherwise is just being willfully ignorant.
So a kid who has a highly successful and well-compensated mother has "mommy issues" if he wants to go into the same type of work, gets an early job as an assistant working with his mom, and then wants to get out on his own?
Do JTIII, Tony Bennett and Richard Pitino have "daddy issues"?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
You're suggesting all those in therapy have mental disorders?
I am suggesting this Summit kid may be a nice kid and coach, but he's got Mommy issues in spades. Suggesting otherwise is just being willfully ignorant.
You know what my thoughts are about people who play women's basketball? They're women.
The better women college basketball teams could beat about 98 percent of the Wisconsin Hofh School boys teams .
Quote from: Texas Western on April 11, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
The better women college basketball teams could beat about 98 percent of the Wisconsin Hofh School boys teams .
Exactly what does that have to do with what I said?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2014, 01:45:55 PM
Keefe,
Having written a thesis on gender identity development, I can tell you with 100% certainty that your belief about "Mother Nature's Code being hardwired into our brains" is unequivocally false.
Yes it is true, most men follow in their father's footsteps. And most mothers want to protect their children, but it has been proved repeatedly that men and women have the exact same instincts and drives when it comes to raising children. The only "code" that mother nature has driven into us is a natural instinct to protect our children and it is found in both men and women.
What changes is how that instinct manifests itself. Most American men choose to protect the child by providing for it and toughening it up. Most American women choose to protect the child in a more literal sense. This comes from generations of gender roles being normalized, not genetics. Men and women are trained from birth in these gender roles....so much so that breaking from them was viewed as a mental disorder until recently (and some still view it this way). Do you really think your son playing with make believe guns as a child was really a product of genetics and not the society he grew up in?
And before any starts throwing the anti-pc hand grenades, I am not criticizing gender roles. They exist, it's part of the world we live in. I think they can help men and women find identity and meaning in their lives which is ultimately a good thing. All I hope for is world where a man isn't criticized as "a case for a therapist's couch" when he decides to pursue a career that is dominated by women.
I certainly haven't a tenth of your expertise on this so your insights are far more valid. If you look closely, though, I steered clear of the nature v. nurture argument and left it simply as gender roles are part of our make up for reasons of tens of thousands of years of practice. For whatever reason, men sharpened bone and stone and went out looking for something to kill while women reared offspring and gathered. And those roles became set and exist through this day.
Roles in a post-industrial world are blurring as fast as technology changes the way we work, interact, and play. For my father, my mother's interest in working was an affront to his manhood. The reality is, he was a Major General living in a huge government house with staff and drivers. The family was not struggling to survive and my mother adding $25K to the kitty was immaterial to their financial status. And my father was not a simpleton - he had a Master's in Physics from Stanford. But in his understanding of the world, a woman getting a job meant the man was not upholding his end of the bargain.
Today, my father would be excoriated for having such values. But in the end, my mother did teach for a few years until work took them to Europe. And my father was ok with her doing so.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 02:06:34 PM
So a kid who has a highly successful and well-compensated mother has "mommy issues" if he wants to go into the same type of work, gets an early job as an assistant working with his mom, and then wants to get out on his own?
Do JTIII, Tony Bennett and Richard Pitino have "daddy issues"?
Generally speaking, men have "Mommy issues" and women have "Daddy issues."
Quote from: warriorchick on April 11, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
Enlighten us, Oh Wise One, because I must have missed it as well.
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Quote from: Texas Western on April 11, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
The better women college basketball teams could beat about 98 percent of the Wisconsin Hofh School boys teams .
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Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
Generally speaking, men have "Mommy issues" and women have "Daddy issues."
So men generally don't have issues with "daddy" and women generally don't have issues with "mommy"?
Gotcha.
The kid learned a valuable trade from his parent. He choose to specialize in that skill. Regardless of which parent taught him the skill, I don't see the need for a therapist in any of this.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
So men generally don't have issues with "daddy" and women generally don't have issues with "mommy"?
Gotcha.
Real life story. I was deployed for 6 months and our 3 year old son had gotten into the habit of crawling into bed with his mother. Dad returns and junior struggles with this, thinking dad should sleep on the couch. Oedipus Rex.
The reality is that men have mother issues and daughters have father issues.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 02:45:54 PM
Real life story. I was deployed for 6 months and our 3 year old son had gotten into the habit of crawling into bed with his mother. Dad returns and junior struggles with this, thinking dad should sleep on the couch. Oedipus Rex.
The reality is that men have mother issues and daughters have father issues.
Sorry to hear your son has issues.
So if a man wants to go into the same line of business as his mom or a woman wants to go into the same line of business as her dad, that also means they have "issues?" But if someone wants to follow in the footsteps as their parent of the same sex, everything is cool?
Good thing we're not into overly broad generalizations here....
Quote from: Texas Western on April 11, 2014, 09:41:52 AM
I am sure there are individual members of the athletic department that care about an individual kid here and there. You may have your view as former member of the department.However you have that perspective as the administrator. I am giving you the perspective as a parent ( as did Mr Pays Bills till 2017). By the way I am not saying Marquette is any better or worse than the next D-1. Have kids in ACC and Big Ten and life is the same there. All that matters is winning. The academic side is purely a function of keeping kids eligible. There is absolutely zero loyalty to the student athlete who is working their tail off. The only loyalty is to wins and losses and bottom line. The only respect the athletic department has shown our family is when they have their hand out for donations. If I bring the check book a meeting with any one in the University is possible.
Your comments were that the university does not care is wrong. No one is disputing this is a win or go home entity and the expectation is that you are given a ride (free, partial) and you will bust your butt to earn that ride or someone else will.
I just find your comments wrong from my experience and I'll give you a few examples. Kid destroys his knee, can never play again...yet MU honors the scholarship until he graduates. If they didn't care, they would kick him to the curb. MU drops wrestling and rifle teams, still supports the scholarships despite the sport no longer being around. I'm friends with a few of the coaches that are still there and some of the administrators, I just don't concur with your general statement. Perhaps with your son or daughter's team, maybe that's the case, but the broad brush commentary is not correct.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 02:59:39 PM
So if a man wants to go into the same line of business as his mom or a woman wants to go into the same line of business as her dad, that means they have "issues?" But if someone wants to follow in the footsteps as their parent of the same sex, everything is cool?
Good thing we're not into overly broad generalizations here....
I never said that. All I said was that three generations of my family flew military aircraft. Before that, for 8 generations, they were vicars in the Church of England. Good thing we weren't RC, I suppose, as there would have been only 1 generation.
All I said was that boys have traditionally followed their fathers and girls their mothers as there have been traditional gender roles. As TAMU and I discussed this is real but the paths are blurring as technology has enabled men and women to take on each other's responsibilities.
I challenge you to find where I said anything that you suggest. Read, digest, reflect, then speak. One of the downsides to technology-enabled access is that people have grown used to skimming sound bites then broadcasting conclusions in near real time.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
I never said that. All I said was that three generations of my family flew military aircraft. Before that, for 8 generations, they were vicars in the Church of England. Good thing we weren't RC, I suppose, as there would have been only 1 generation.
All I said was that boys have traditionally followed their fathers and girls their mothers as there have been traditional gender roles. As TAMU and I discussed this is real but the paths are blurring as technology has enabled men and women to take on each other's responsibilities.
I challenge you to find where I said anything that you suggest. Read, digest, reflect, then speak. One of the downsides to technology-enabled access is that people have grown used to skimming sound bites then broadcasting conclusions in near real time.
that's going back 11 generations......
The Church of England is barely even that old. I'm very interested in hearing more
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
I never said that. All I said was that three generations of my family flew military aircraft. Before that, for 8 generations, they were vicars in the Church of England. Good thing we weren't RC, I suppose, as there would have been only 1 generation.
All I said was that boys have traditionally followed their fathers and girls their mothers as there have been traditional gender roles. As TAMU and I discussed this is real but the paths are blurring as technology has enabled men and women to take on each other's responsibilities.
I challenge you to find where I said anything that you suggest. Read, digest, reflect, then speak. One of the downsides to technology-enabled access is that people have grown used to skimming sound bites then broadcasting conclusions in near real time.
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The reality is that men have mother issues and daughters have father issues." Your words, not mine. That is an overly broad generalization.
I can read and digest just fine.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 02:59:39 PM
Sorry to hear your son has issues.
So if a man wants to go into the same line of business as his mom or a woman wants to go into the same line of business as her dad, that also means they have "issues?" But if someone wants to follow in the footsteps as their parent of the same sex, everything is cool?
Good thing we're not into overly broad generalizations here....
I see you modified your post to include a snide comment about my son so since he's not here to defend himself I will. He had Oedipal issues just as you did when you were 2-3. And if you didn't then you probably do have unresolved issues regarding your mother.
My son was graduated from Middlebury then was awarded a doctoral degree from Columbia. He now lives and works in Firenze where he shares his life with a beautiful Italian woman. He is educated, erudite, confident, and very much at peace with who he is, where he came from, and where he is headed. I am comfortable with the values instilled in him by his mother who was a sensitive, inquisitive, intelligent soul who valued ideas and relationships far more than the material.
If you really do want to take issue with him I can give you his email address and you can do so directly.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 03:19:02 PM
I see you modified your post to include a snide comment about my son so since he's not here to defend himself I will. He had Oedipal issues just as you did when you were 2-3. And if you didn't then you probably do have unresolved issues regarding your mother.
My son was graduated from Middlebury then was awarded a doctoral degree from Columbia. He now lives and works in Firenze where he shares his life with a beautiful Italian woman. He is educated, erudite, confident, and very much at peace with who he is, where he came from, and where he is headed. I am comfortable with the values instilled in him by his mother who was a sensitive, inquisitive, intelligent soul who valued ideas and relationships far more than the material.
If you really do want to take issue with him I can give you his email address and you can do so directly.
And I have a Medical degree from the Medical College of Wisconsin, then graduated top of my class from Vanderbilt Law School, and now work at the most prestigious medical institution on earth. Sorry you don't win all the pissing matches, Keefe. Not interested in hearing from your son - I suspect he's as full of himself as you are with yourself.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 11, 2014, 03:12:58 PM
that's going back 11 generations......
The Church of England is barely even that old. I'm very interested in hearing more
Lots of vicars over the decades and two bishops. My great gran was a bishop posted to Canada from UK so my gran actually was undertaking Divinity Studies at Yale when WWI broke out. He and a group from Yale belonged to a Flying Club and so were actually pilots.
As a group in Sep 14 they went down to the Brit High Comm in NYC and signed up. Flew FE2s for the Brits until the US came in then were transferred to the USN. My gran stood up and pointed out he was a crown subject but was told he came in with that lot so out he went with them. He ended up making a career of the USN, retiring as a Captain.
While still flying with the RAAC he met my gram who was Scottish but living in London. Bit convoluted as my gran was not just English but CofE hierarchy English. Love won out, I guess but that's how one branch ended up in the US. My gram always told me that she favored me and my sisters as we needed something other than red hair in the blood lines.
Living in Bicester then London we were always invited to family gatherings. Outsiders always would approach my blond haired blue eyed wife with the statement, 'so you're the Yank side of the clan...' It was always a mind screw for them.
Quote from: Texas Western on April 11, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
The better women college basketball teams could beat about 98 percent of the Wisconsin Hofh School boys teams .
I highly, highly doubt this. To train for the Olympics this year the USA women's hockey team scrimmaged against high school boys teams and lost the majority of the time. These were the best our country has to offer and they lost to high school teams in New England, not triple A teams, or the US development team in Ann Arbor, but regular high school teams.
"Sum It Up" is one of the best and most moving basketball books I have ever read. It was heartbreaking to see Pat Summitt at the Al McGuire Center last year with Tyler. Her health has deteriorate so fast in the last couple of years.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
And I have a Medical degree from the Medical College of Wisconsin, then graduated top of my class from Vanderbilt Law School, and now work at the most prestigious medical institution on earth. Sorry you don't win all the pissing matches, Keefe. Not interested in hearing from your son - I suspect he's as full of himself as you are with yourself.
Guess you couldn't get into an Ivy League school but spoken like a true MD.
Matter of opinion but I feel the most prestigious medical research institution in many verticals is Harvard Care Group with whom I have worked. My colleagues, among others, include Danny Sands, Jeff Blander, AG Breitenstein. They are all Harvard grads, though AG did get her law degree at Yale. We did yeoman's work on advancing Clinical Trial infrastructure, protocols, and medical ethics on a global basis.
Pissing contest? Hardly. You may have accomplishments but I'll stand by the work we did with world-recognized authorities in advancing tech adaptation and ethical protocols in medical research.
Actually one of my sisters went to Vandy Law. Fine school. But not Ivy League.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
Guess you couldn't get into an Ivy League school but spoken like a true MD.
Matter of opinion but I feel the most prestigious medical research institution in many verticals is Harvard Care Group with whom I have worked. My colleagues, among others, include Danny Sands, Jeff Blander, AG Breitenstein. They are all Harvard grads, though AG did get her law degree at Yale. We did yeoman's work on advancing Clinical Trial infrastructure, protocols, and medical ethics on a global basis.
Pissing contest? Hardly. You may have accomplishments but I'll stand by the work we did with world-recognized authorities in advancing tech adaptation and ethical protocols in medical research.
Actually one of my sisters went to Vandy Law. Fine school. But not Ivy League.
I never applied to any Ivy League schools, but most certainly would have gotten accepted. Too much arrogance at those places. But look who I'm telling - the master of arrogance himself.
Your constant recitation of your CV and putting others down used to be entertaining. Now it's just old.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
I never applied to any Ivy League schools, but most certainly would have gotten accepted. Too much arrogance at those places. But look who I'm telling - the master of arrogance himself.
Woulda coulda shoulda
Fact is you didn't. And if your "World's Most Prestigious Medical Institution" rivals Harvard Care Group/Harvard Medical School I would love to hear where that is. Fact is, Care Group would never, ever make such a claim. It is a leading medical teaching and research institute but how does one say "World's Most Prestigious?" Fact is they don't.
I can just hear Danny Sands or Jeff describing Harvard Care Group as "The World's Most Prestigious Medical Institute." They don't. In fact, Danny tells people he works at BID. (I'll let you figure that one out since you work at "The World's Most Prestigious Medical Institute...") People in the industry know what BID is. If they don't then they don't work in the leading parts of the industry.
But you, Mr. Humility, describe your employer as "The World's Most Prestigious Medical Institute" then turn around and say the Ivy League has, "too much arrogance?" (This from a man who detests Overly Broad Generalizations" mind you.) So again, you are claiming that you chose the Medical College of Wisconsin because the Ivy League medical schools have "too much arrogance?" This board is witness to a lot of BS but that is one of the very best.
And yet in all of your self-professed humility you make the claim that you, "most certainly would have gotten accepted into an Ivy League School." Now, where is all of your self-professed humility? I guess you need to know the enemy in order to fight the enemy.
So the reality is we don't know if you could have gone to an Ivy because you never applied. For whatever reason. Which wasn't because of all the purported arrogance because your own lack of humility gives lie to any such disdain.
The Medical College of Wisconsin and Vanderbilt are fine schools. Second and Third tier programs.
Quote from: keefe on April 11, 2014, 02:21:39 PM
I certainly haven't a tenth of your expertise on this so your insights are far more valid. If you look closely, though, I steered clear of the nature v. nurture argument and left it simply as gender roles are part of our make up for reasons of tens of thousands of years of practice. For whatever reason, men sharpened bone and stone and went out looking for something to kill while women reared offspring and gathered. And those roles became set and exist through this day.
You know gender roles in the hunter gatherer period of human history is fascinating. Whereas the nature vs. nurture argument has been mostly killed for modern day studies, back then it was still valid. It is relatively unknown how much our ancestors were driven by instinct. So our gender roles could in fact be because of genetics. Not our current genetics but the genetics of our ancient ancestors. As our genetics evolved, our gender roles didn't. Well they have certainly evolved, but some aspects are outdated.
Quote from: ecc5051 on April 11, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
"Sum It Up" is one of the best and most moving basketball books I have ever read. It was heartbreaking to see Pat Summitt at the Al McGuire Center last year with Tyler. Her health has deteriorate so fast in the last couple of years.
I Chick literally ran into her that day (she bumped into
me when I her in line for tickets and was trying to cut through) and
my chick's heart broke. She seemed so fragile.
(This is what happens when your wife's laptop breaks and she starts using mine. Signed, the real jsglow. ;D)
I would like the record to show that I have ALWAYS been a great admirer of Pat Summit. Her current situation is heartbreaking.
I would also like to point out that almost every player who played for her has said they were drawn to her and remained close with her because of her maternal qualities.
How I wish I could see Pat Summitt exchanging barbs with Geno Auriemma in the media again. It is truly heartbreaking to see her the way she is now as many have said.
I was looking up something on the Marquette Athletics website and see they announced that registration was open for their annual golf fundraiser on Wednesday just before they announced Mitchell wasn't returning - that's a little ironic.
The Banquet is scheduled for 4/23 - I haven't heard anything about it yet but I am guessing it will be canceled.
I'm super curious as to who they will consider for this job but may never really know as there really is no media coverage of this team. I'm not sure if I'll even hear about any candidates before they announce the new hire.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
Generally speaking, men have "Mommy issues" and women have "Daddy issues."
Fact: 78% of strippers have daddy issues.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on April 11, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Fact: 78% of strippers have daddy issues.
I'd go higher.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 11, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
I'd go higher.
The author has completed exhaustive research into the matter. 78% is accurate. 20% have a drug problem. 1% does it for fun. 1% because her mom brought her to work with her.
On a positive note, 87% are pursuing higher education of some kind, ranging from vet tech to tattoo artist to lawyer. The remaining 13% are happy to not be working at X joint, and think they have the world by the balls.
Quote from: jsglow on April 11, 2014, 06:23:42 PM
I Chick literally ran into her that day (she bumped into me when I her in line for tickets and was trying to cut through) and my chick's heart broke. She seemed so fragile.
(This is what happens when your wife's laptop breaks and she starts using mine. Signed, the real jsglow. ;D)
Make sure you hide your browsing history!!!
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Interesting name that could surface at #Marquette is #UCONN assistant Chris Dailey. She deserves a head coaching job in my opinion...
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 12, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Wade @Wade_ChapmanWBB Apr 9
Interesting name that could surface at #Marquette is #UCONN assistant Chris Dailey. She deserves a head coaching job in my opinion...
She hasn't seemed interested in leaving UCONN in the past - not sure she'd be interested in a head coaching position.
Wow, I have never lost so much respect for so many different people for so many different reasons than during the last 15 minutes reading the last few pages of this thread.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2014, 01:45:55 PM
Keefe,
Having written a thesis on gender identity development, I can tell you with 100% certainty that your belief about "Mother Nature's Code being hardwired into our brains" is unequivocally false.
Yes it is true, most men follow in their father's footsteps. And most mothers want to protect their children, but it has been proved repeatedly that men and women have the exact same instincts and drives when it comes to raising children. The only "code" that mother nature has driven into us is a natural instinct to protect our children and it is found in both men and women.
What changes is how that instinct manifests itself. Most American men choose to protect the child by providing for it and toughening it up. Most American women choose to protect the child in a more literal sense. This comes from generations of gender roles being normalized, not genetics. Men and women are trained from birth in these gender roles....so much so that breaking from them was viewed as a mental disorder until recently (and some still view it this way). Do you really think your son playing with make believe guns as a child was really a product of genetics and not the society he grew up in?
And before any starts throwing the anti-pc hand grenades, I am not criticizing gender roles. They exist, it's part of the world we live in. I think they can help men and women find identity and meaning in their lives which is ultimately a good thing. All I hope for is world where a man isn't criticized as "a case for a therapist's couch" when he decides to pursue a career that is dominated by women.
An incredibly fascinating post emerges from this cesspool of a thread. +1, TAMU Eagle.
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on April 14, 2014, 05:49:22 PM
An incredibly fascinating post emerges from this cesspool of a thread. +1, TAMU Eagle.
Thank you sir
Quote from: Texas Western on April 11, 2014, 09:41:52 AM
I am sure there are individual members of the athletic department that care about an individual kid here and there. You may have your view as former member of the department.However you have that perspective as the administrator. I am giving you the perspective as a parent ( as did Mr Pays Bills till 2017). By the way I am not saying Marquette is any better or worse than the next D-1. Have kids in ACC and Big Ten and life is the same there. All that matters is winning. The academic side is purely a function of keeping kids eligible. There is absolutely zero loyalty to the student athlete who is working their tail off. The only loyalty is to wins and losses and bottom line. The only respect the athletic department has shown our family is when they have their hand out for donations. If I bring the check book a meeting with any one in the University is possible.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 11, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Your comments were that the university does not care is wrong. No one is disputing this is a win or go home entity and the expectation is that you are given a ride (free, partial) and you will bust your butt to earn that ride or someone else will.
I just find your comments wrong from my experience and I'll give you a few examples. Kid destroys his knee, can never play again...yet MU honors the scholarship until he graduates. If they didn't care, they would kick him to the curb. MU drops wrestling and rifle teams, still supports the scholarships despite the sport no longer being around. I'm friends with a few of the coaches that are still there and some of the administrators, I just don't concur with your general statement. Perhaps with your son or daughter's team, maybe that's the case, but the broad brush commentary is not correct.
I am amending this comment. If the Athletic Department is defined by Mr. Cords vision of what a student athlete experience should be , then yes I agree with you that the University cares. Maybe since he is has been back some of that philosophy will seep back into the system. However, since he left the overall trend has been cold and business like.
So has anyone heard anything about candidates being interviewed for the job? There's a blog post today in the JS saying MU hopes to hire a new coach this week but I have yet to hear any candidates' names.
I jumped from the first page of this thread to the last. Didn't read the stuff in the middle.
Interesting.......
Only on Scoop.
Quote from: Marquette Fan on April 21, 2014, 09:48:51 PM
So has anyone heard anything about candidates being interviewed for the job? There's a blog post today in the JS saying MU hopes to hire a new coach this week but I have yet to hear any candidates' names.
Shaka Smart. #donedeal
Thanks. I had forgotten what exquisite company keep when I visit this board.
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