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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 06, 2014, 06:30:20 AM
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Question for everybody because it's something that came up with my Wisconsin born wife last night. I explained to her that I found this Wisconsin team very easy to like. They weren't the stereotypical deliberate Badger team. They could shoot, run, defend. Just a great team. And I've said before, I actually like Bo Ryan and the story about his Dad added to that.
So why was I rooting for Kentucky, who I generally loathe? For me it's the Badger fans. They are the absolute worst. Entitled, even though they're a bit of a Johnny come lately as far as basketball (and football) success. It was weird, I felt bad for Badger players because they played great, but I was thrilled the fans weren't rewarded.
So, is it their fans for everybody? Or is it ingrained in Wisconsin residents?
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It's just the rivalry. Same as it would for rivalries in other sports. You just don't want your rival to win. It's a little different here even because the rival is in the same state, where as in pro sports they usually aren't, so if that team wins you don't have to hear about it as much.
It is a bit different sometimes with the big state school. Sure, the UW fans seem annoying to us, but they aren't more annoying that other state school fans. I lived in Iowa for a short time and it was just as bad.
I guess if we can't be happy the people around us shouldn't be either..... ya doesn't make sense but it's always been that way and it's not about to change.
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I'm not from Wisconsin and don't live there now. When I was at MU, the Wisconsin game was always one that took place when I was on winter break. The Badgers were a non-entity. They sucked, but they were just another game. I was much more concerned about ND, DePaul, and Dayton. My wife's maternal side of the family is from Wisconsin and she has several cousins who matriculated at Madison. They have never given me a second of grief about going to MU. Good people. Bo is a heck of a coach. My dislike of Wisconsin comes from the Badger fanbase. 100%. So much that it made me do something I have never done, and that was to root for Calipari and Kentucky. I felt unclean, but I just couldn't root for the Badgers.
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The Badgers and Notre Dame are kind of like the Red Sox to me. I always root for them to lose regardless of the circumstances.
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Was raised to hate UW and for most of my life I really hated them. IMO we are not rivals anywhere to the same level as years ago and my hatred was grown softer over the years. Hate to say it with all of their athletic success, media coverage and statewide support I am almost a tad jealous.
That said, I was fxxking jacked they lost yesterday. Actually seeing them make FF help edge some of my hate back.
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i really really didn't want to see the ncaa's nba developmental squad make it to the finals...GO UCONN!!
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i really really didn't want to see the ncaa's nba developmental squad make it to the finals...GO UCONN!!
+1. Calipari is dirty. Went to MU from AZ as a high school senior and never had any issues with UW or its fan base. Took a great shot to beat them. Go UConn
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i really really didn't want to see the ncaa's nba developmental squad make it to the finals...GO UCONN!!
Same here. The opponent made it easier to pull for the Badgers. From Illinois so no inbred hatred for UW.
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As other posters have said, it's easy to like this Wisconsin team. Talented, well-coached and interesting to watch.
I even picked Wisconsin to win the game.
But when I sat down to watch it, I simply couldn't root for Bucky and, by the end, was actively pulling for Kentucky.
On a similar note, I was in Vegas the previous weekend and went to the window intending to bet on Bucky to cover vs. Baylor. But when I got there, I just couldn't do it, so I threw a few bucks at Baylor. Money down the toilet, but at least I didn't have to root for Bucky!
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I'm not from Wisconsin and don't live there now. When I was at MU, the Wisconsin game was always one that took place when I was on winter break. The Badgers were a non-entity. They sucked, but they were just another game. I was much more concerned about ND, DePaul, and Dayton. My wife's maternal side of the family is from Wisconsin and she has several cousins who matriculated at Madison. They have never given me a second of grief about going to MU. Good people. Bo is a heck of a coach. My dislike of Wisconsin comes from the Badger fanbase. 100%. So much that it made me do something I have never done, and that was to root for Calipari and Kentucky. I felt unclean, but I just couldn't root for the Badgers.
Pretty much the same (same era grad as tower) except I'd say for me it has been less the badger fan base and more being influenced by this board over time.
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I always root for Wisco except when they play Marquette. I bleed MU. So, let's get back WARRIORS!
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My hate runs deep, I see red when I see red. I don't even see their team as human, just an enemy that needs to be destroyed at any cost and its because of their fans. They are insufferable and I rejoice every time they feel any kind of pain.
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I'm a Bears fan who spends a lot of time in Mke and N. Wisconsin. I listen to enough crap from my Packer fan friends, and they're all Bucky fans, so it's easy to cheer against Wisconsin. Although my cheering for Kentucky was tepid at best. I needed a shower after the game.
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Have felt the same way on players/fans. Sat. night was a good one, Bucky loss and Brewer win. It was quite a scare however, Bucky win and this tem could've beat UConn. That would have been insufferable for way too many years.
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OK gang, here' the real reason I dislike Becky.
I grew up in Tennessee of cheesehead parents. My grandfather went to UW. My father was a Warrior (or perhaps a Hilltopper).
I hate Becky because Becky competes for the same fans, the same players and the same media we do. If a young man is considering college in Wisconsin, he can get an education or he can go to Wisconsin. If Becky is more than a one-hit wonder, we're having a tougher time in our own backyard.
That said, Bo Ryan should be coach of the century. What he did with that Becky team this year was something I haven't seen in years! I actually think we have more talent on our roster than Becky does. But Bo got his players to play smart, play within his system and disrupt their opponents. These guys got it and did their job extraordinarily. If Brent had coached this well last year, we'd be playing Monday night. He didn't and that's one reason he is in Rubesville, VA.
Nice job Bo... from an avowed Becky Badger hater! You did very, very well!
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I was a little sick to my stomach after Jackson got fouled with 15 secs to play. Probably one of the most amazing shots I've seen on the ensuing play. Great game.
Oh yeah, I love watching poser Badger fans who came out of the woodwork in droves writhe in the agony of defeat. Full out schadenfreude here. Add an extra innings win over the Red Sox on top of it all, it's been a great 12 hours.
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If Becky is more than a one-hit wonder, we're having a tougher time in our own backyard.
That said, Bo Ryan should be coach of the century. What he did with that Becky team this year was something I haven't seen in years! I actually think we have more talent on our roster than Becky does. But Bo got his players to play smart, play within his system and disrupt their opponents. These guys got it and did their job extraordinarily. If Brent had coached this well last year, we'd be playing Monday night. He didn't and that's one reason he is in Rubesville, VA.
Nice job Bo... from an avowed Becky Badger hater! You did very, very well!
I disagree strongly that Bucky should be a one-hit wonder or that Marquette was more talented this year. If Kaminsky comes back, UW will be a top-5 team next season. Brust is the only senior. Hayes looks like he is going to be a total stud. Dekker is only a soph, Jackson a frosh, and both have great upside.
Buzz had a poor season, we all know that, but Wisconsin was miles better than us in the backcourt. As good as Davante often was, Kaminsky is better at almost everything. And I'd have traded Jamil for Dekker straight-up.
I wish what you said was true, but it's not, IMHO.
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Pretty much the same (same era grad as tower) except I'd say for me it has been less the badger fan base and more being influenced by this board over time.
Ditto me too.
When I went to MU (early 80s) Bucky was one of the worst big state school athletic programs in the country. Our hate was focused on perennial no. 1 DePaul. How times have changed.
Go read Rick Telander's book about Bucky sports. Things got so bad by 1990 that the athletic department was considering filing for bankruptcy and dropping football. Then they hired Barry Alverz and he saved the entire school.
So if you're of a certain age, Your formative years were spent watching a non-existent Bucky program so they stir up about as much emotion as UW-Whitewater.
Note, I also do not live in Wisconsin.
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I disagree strongly that Bucky should be a one-hit wonder or that Marquette was more talented this year. If Kaminsky comes back, UW will be a top-5 team next season. Brust is the only senior. Hayes looks like he is going to be a total stud. Dekker is only a soph, Jackson a frosh, and both have great upside.
Buzz had a poor season, we all know that, but Wisconsin was miles better than us in the backcourt. As good as Davante often was, Kaminsky is better at almost everything. And I'd have traded Jamil for Dekker straight-up.
I wish what you said was true, but it's not, IMHO.
I do think we had more raw talent. I think Jamil, for example, is one of the most talented players we've had in ages. But talent and performance are not equal. We probably had great guards in JJJ and Mayo sitting on the bench most of the year. Bo showed us it's not just what you have but you get with it.
What I think in a nutshell is that Bo got 150% from everyone on his team. If the Hillbilly got 40% from some of his players, I'd be surprised.
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I think a lot of it is jealousy. For those of us that live in that state you have this overriding feeling that everyone is comparing Marquette to Wisconsin. They did have a great year and are really a unique team. My brain says that I should be happy for them but my heart can't.
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Guess I never really understood the joy in hatred for another team. I grew up in Milwaukee, went to MU, and moved to Chicago in the mid 1980s. My allegiance has never strayed from the teams of my youth including the Packers, WI football, the Brewers, etc. But unless it affects my teams directly, I'll support the local team. Why? Well it all started with the '85 Bears. That was a special season here in town and I was here to enjoy it with all my friends in Grad school. Sure they were Giants, 49ers and Eagles fans just as I bled Green and Gold. But that January we were all Bears fans together. Beats being miserable and alone.
Congratulations Wisconsin. Helluva season. May our beloved Warriors return to a similar level of success very soon.
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I do think we had more raw talent. I think Jamil, for example, is one of the most talented players we've had in ages. But talent and performance are not equal. We probably had great guards in JJJ and Mayo sitting on the bench most of the year. Bo showed us it's not just what you have but you get with it.
What I think in a nutshell is that Bo got 150% from everyone on his team. If the Hillbilly got 40% from some of his players, I'd be surprised.
OK, we can disagree on some of this stuff. I agree that Bo is a better coach than Buzz, but I disagree that any lineup we could have used last season would have been better than Wisconsin's. At PG and center, the 2 most important positions, it wasn't especially close. And we all know that Jamil was one of the most overrated players in recent Marquette history; it's easy to blame Buzz for not developing him, but Jimmy, Jae and even Lazar and Wes developed pretty well under Buzz. Sometimes, the player has to take responsibility and again, I'd take Dekker over Jamil in a heartbeat.
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I have questioned myself about why I dislike them so much. I have several coworkers than I have been friends with for 20 years that are big Badger fans that don't rub in Badger wins or MU losses. I honostly feel bad for them. I will fully admit that this week's hate is based mostly on jealousy.
However, in the big picture, I think it comes down to a few things.
One, it is simply assumed that you are a Badger fan if you live in WI. I lost count of the number of times someone asked me about rooting for the Badgers and my response was "I went to Marquette". More than half would have a blank look on their face, as if to say "and.....".
Two, I get so annoyed seeing people wearing Badger gear around town, when I know that I know more about their team than at least 80% of them. Those aren't actual fans.
Three, see @brewpackred on Twitter. The guy needs serious psychological care. His "team" is playing in a National Semifinal game and he is still tweeting with the #mubb tag. During the freaking game! Any doubt I had in my own mental health by rooting against the Badgers was written off each time I would see his "JC" Twitter name popup.
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Ditto me too.
When I went to MU (early 80s) Bucky was one of the worst big state school athletic programs in the country. Our hate was focused on perennial no. 1 DePaul. How times have changed.
Go read Rick Telander's book about Bucky sports. Things got so bad by 1990 that the athletic department was considering filing for bankruptcy and dropping football. Then they hired Barry Alverz and he saved the entire school.
So if you're of a certain age, Your formative years were spent watching a non-existent Bucky program so they stir up about as much emotion as UW-Whitewater.
Note, I also do not live in Wisconsin.
I would actually give the credit to Pat Richter. That dude did an absolutely phenomenal job in turning a joke into a really strong department. Having endured the Dukiet years at MU and the Don Morton era (error) at UW I think I have claim to have seen the worst of the worst. I can root for Bucky in anything but hoops. I give the program credit for what they have done since they hired Dick Bennett, but cannot stand the fans. I swear they have an inferiority complex that runs so deep it's ridiculous. Guys I have to work with constantly dump on MU with no reason other than to dump. It has to be some form of mental illness. You have made the tourney 13 straight years--get over it and enjoy your team.
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Guess I never really understood the joy in hatred for another team. I grew up in Milwaukee, went to MU, and moved to Chicago in the mid 1980s. My allegiance has never strayed from the teams of my youth including the Packers, WI football, the Brewers, etc. But unless it affects my teams directly, I'll support the local team. Why? Well it all started with the '85 Bears. That was a special season here in town and I was here to enjoy it with all my friends in Grad school. Sure they were Giants, 49ers and Eagles fans just as I bled Green and Gold. But that January we were all Bears fans together. Beats being miserable and alone.
Congratulations Wisconsin. Helluva season. May our beloved Warriors return to a similar level of success very soon.
I applaud that you can have that attitude. I wish that I could, as life would be happier, but I will never, ever feel that way and don't really understand it.
Growing up a Cubs fan in Chicago was always the ultimate example of split rivalry where you are listening to the other side gloat if it goes their way. I was always in the camp of "if you're a fan of both, you're a fan of neither."
That said, a lot of my best friends are UW/Pack/WhiteSox fans and if you can't understand that that's what makes sports fun then you are probably letting it ruin your day.
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The OP nailed it. This actually is a likable team, but UW's fans are perhaps the most intolerable outside of the Domers.
And if you didn't live in Wisconsin during or after the Barry Alvarez/Dick Bennett/Bo Ryan era, you won't understand. Up until the early 90s, UW's athletics were in shambles, along with northwestern, they were the laughingstock of the Big 10. Barry Alvarez and Dick Bennet turned them around into respectability, but their fans do act entitled, like they have been a bastion of perpetual athletic greatness, while pretending MU, who completely dominated them for decades, has none of that tradition. You see the double standard quite often, such as when Badger fans claim we are not a rival and that we treat their game like our Super Bowl (which we don't... It is a big game but just one of several each year), yet they continually come on our boards and troll, even the night of their final four appearance.
But worst Badger fans are not the ones who went to UW. I can actually respect their degree and obviously understand why they would be a Bucky die hard. No, the people who are the worst are the Wisconsinites who go to Kmart and load up on Bucky gear, act like alum, teach their kids that UW is the end all be all, and Marquette is the Catholic evil empire, all the while they didn't ever go to college or attending Oshkosh, LaCrosse, Eau Claire, etc. while becoming self proclaimed badger fans. These are the worst badger fans. And the ones who talk the most crap to MU alum, probably some sort of inferiority complex.
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The Badgers and Notre Dame are kind of like the Red Sox cubs to me. I always root for them to lose regardless of the circumstances.
Fixed it for me.
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My hate runs deep, I see red when I see red. I don't even see their team as human, just an enemy that needs to be destroyed at any cost and its because of their fans. They are insufferable and I rejoice every time they feel any kind of pain.
Please, Hutch, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
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I'm not from Wisconsin and don't live there now. When I was at MU, the Wisconsin game was always one that took place when I was on winter break. The Badgers were a non-entity. They sucked, but they were just another game. I was much more concerned about ND, DePaul, and Dayton. My wife's maternal side of the family is from Wisconsin and she has several cousins who matriculated at Madison. They have never given me a second of grief about going to MU. Good people. Bo is a heck of a coach. My dislike of Wisconsin comes from the Badger fanbase. 100%. So much that it made me do something I have never done, and that was to root for Calipari and Kentucky. I felt unclean, but I just couldn't root for the Badgers.
Ok. I finally have to say something. Do you hit the space bar 5 freaking times or something after every sentence!?
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There doesn't have to be any logic to it- we're fans, we love our team and hate others, especially those close to us. Familiarity breeds contempt. I have some "reasons" I hate UW basketball, none of them are especially provocative, but in the end, it's just part of being a die hard fan.
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I applaud that you can have that attitude. I wish that I could, as life would be happier, but I will never, ever feel that way and don't really understand it.
Growing up a Cubs fan in Chicago was always the ultimate example of split rivalry where you are listening to the other side gloat if it goes their way. I was always in the camp of "if you're a fan of both, you're a fan of neither."
That said, a lot of my best friends are UW/Pack/Brew fans and if you can't understand that that's what makes sports fun then you are probably letting it ruin your day.
Funny you say all that Rush. Nothing personal but the team I do dislike are your Cubs. I was a fan in my early years here in town during the Sandburg, Sarge, Denier run in '84. But now I pretty much loathe them. The reason. They have EVERY advantage in the world and absolutely ZERO results to show for it. On top of that, Wrigley is an absolute dump. Why you folks continue to fill the stadium and fail to demand more from the team in return for your hard earned dollars is beyond me. I'll take that 'try hard smallest market in baseball team' in Milwaukee every time and twice on Sunday. And I have considerable respect for the Sox who work hard to provide a quality fan experience every year both on the field and at the ballpark.
I will say that my favorite day listening to sports radio in Chicago is the day after the Packers beat the Bears once again. Listening to Doug Buffone and Ed O'Bradovich complain about how 'unacceptable' it is and why can't the Bears be that good is pure joy for me.
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I will say that my favorite day listening to sports radio in Chicago is the day after the Packers beat the Bears once again. Listening to Doug Buffone and Ed O'Bradovich complain about how 'unacceptable' it is and why can't the Bears be that good is pure joy for me.
I'm like a kid at Christmas listening to the Score after a Packer win over the Bears. I download the podcasts now of O'B and Doug after any win now to make sure I don't miss a minute of it.
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I never really thought much about the Badgers except as a lesser rival of MU in basketball (lesser in the sense that Notre Dame, Cincy and DePaul were bigger rivals back when I started caring about MU hoops) and I never cared enough to actually dislike them to the point their results against teams other than MU mattered to me.
That is, until I started hanging around these message boards and got to know some of their fanbase, which seems to not only believe their school really is the Harvard of the Midwest, but also invented every major sport, is the only clean program in the nation (despite all those major NCAA violations) and came up with the concept of "jumping around" during a song called "Jump Around." In other words, many of them are insufferable douchebags.
So, I've learned to cheer against Bucky not because of any dislike for Bo Ryan or Barry Alvarez or any particular player, but just to quiet their obnoxious fans, if only for a while.
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I have enjoyed these post game shows for years now. I grew up a Packer fan in Northern Illinois and was a sophomore in HS during the Super Bowl Shuffle year. (That is the way I always refer to it, because if I have to reference that time I will at least name it based on the most embarrassing part of it). Badger fans are nothing compared to Bear fans of the late 80's. Even the era of dominance over them that followed hasn't leveled the playing field in my mind.
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I'm a Bears fan, though its somewhat tepid as I don't understand why the Bears dominate the market as they do. Listening to the Score after the game makes me realize just how soft my allegiance to the Bears is - I feel like I am missing something. Why do the Bears bring out such enthusiasm when - up until last year - they have played such a boring brand of football.
As for the Badgers, I also don't understand the hate. They are a likable team - except for Gasser and Bo's act on the sideline is tiresome. But after reading this board for years, I struggled somewhat to root for them yesterday even thought they played Kentucky. I felt bad for the players yesterday - they played their hearts out and deserved to win.
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Ditto me too.
When I went to MU (early 80s) Bucky was one of the worst big state school athletic programs in the country. Our hate was focused on perennial no. 1 DePaul. How times have changed.
Go read Rick Telander's book about Bucky sports. Things got so bad by 1990 that the athletic department was considering filing for bankruptcy and dropping football. Then they hired Barry Alverz and he saved the entire school.
So if you're of a certain age, Your formative years were spent watching a non-existent Bucky program so they stir up about as much emotion as UW-Whitewater.
Note, I also do not live in Wisconsin.
Very similar. Graduated from MU in 1985 and at that time Becky was nothing athletically except in hockey. I grew up in Michigan and am a lifelong U of M football fan. So, fast forward to today and Becky is not only a rival of my favorite hoops team, but my favorite football team too. On top of that, their fans are the most arrogant bunch of pricks out there, and I was very happy they lost last night. There is no such thing as a humble Vadger fan.
I will admit I root for them when they play I4.
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I'm a Bears fan, though its somewhat tepid as I don't understand why the Bears dominate the market as they do. Listening to the Score after the game makes me realize just how soft my allegiance to the Bears is - I feel like I am missing something. Why do the Bears bring out such enthusiasm when - up until last year - they have played such a boring brand of football.
As for the Badgers, I also don't understand the hate. They are a likable team - except for Gasser and Bo's act on the sideline is tiresome. But after reading this board for years, I struggled somewhat to root for them yesterday even thought they played Kentucky. I felt bad for the players yesterday - they played their hearts out and deserved to win.
I think you could have started out the post above with ......... Dear Diary...
It seems to me that you've never experienced the passion for a home team. I would suggest coming to Lambeau Field. We will show you the fun and excitement that a home team generates. After that, you'll be so amazed at the spectacle that is the Green Bay Packers. We will welcome you into the fold and baptize you in beer and cheese. Join Us !!!
There isn't too much to hate about the Badgers, unless you're a Marquette fan, aren't happy with slow basketball play, and can't stand 5 loaves of white bread dancing around the court waiting to be buttered by 58,538 passes in one possession.
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My hate runs deep, I see red when I see red. I don't even see their team as human, just an enemy that needs to be destroyed at any cost and its because of their fans. They are insufferable and I rejoice every time they feel any kind of pain.
That is a riot. I only feel like that when I read UW trolls on Marquette sites. I've never understood some weirdo having such an empty life as to go on other teams' sites to trash them.
I have to give Bo credit-he did a great job this year. And, for once they looked like a team not playing basketball with peach baskets.
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I always root for Wisco except when they play Marquette. I bleed MU. So, let's get back WARRIORS!
Me too. I'm from Wisconsin, graduated from MArquette and grew up more of a Marquette basketball fan because Wisconsin wasn't any good. And frankly I think people make too much of the rivalry. It's no Duke/UNC. Therefore as a Wisconsinite I cheered for Wisconsin last night. Why would I want a team from another state to get to the championship? I want teams from this state to succeed. There is definitely a part of me that will always want MU to have the most recent success especially when it comes to a championship. But it's been 37 years since this state has had a college national championship in D1. So as a Wisconsinite I was upset last night especially against super greasy Calipari. Go UConn!!!
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I didn't root for either team, but I enjoy the type of ball Wisconsin played this year. Team that can shoot, space properly, pass and defend. I just enjoy teams that can shoot the basketball which opens things up for everyone else. Thought Wisconsin's guards were also pretty good this year, even if they didn't have a natural point guard.
I'll never like the university for their smug fans, especially those that didn't attend...the state is so damn provincial it is incredible.
ButchBadger's comment about how the NCAA lost is still laughable to me. He's upset that UCONN and Kentucky are in the final, calling them both cheaters....the fact that Wisconsin still remains in the top 10 all-time on NCAA infractions list apparently is too hard for him to comprehend or such a stupid statement wouldn't have been made.
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I didn't root for either team, but I enjoy the type of ball Wisconsin played this year. Team that can shoot, space properly, pass and defend. I just enjoy teams that can shoot the basketball which opens things up for everyone else. Thought Wisconsin's guards were also pretty good this year, even if they didn't have a natural point guard.
I'll never like the university for their smug fans, especially those that didn't attend...the state is so damn provincial it is incredible.
ButchBadger's comment about how the NCAA lost is still laughable to me. He's upset that UCONN and Kentucky are in the final, calling them both cheaters....the fact that Wisconsin still remains in the top 10 all-time on NCAA infractions list apparently is too hard for him to comprehend or such a stupid statement wouldn't have been made.
The fact that a 7 seed and a 8 seed are facing each other in the National Championship is, to me, the reason why the tournament is so fantastic.
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I hate everything about them. It starts with their coach and fans. Who they trot out on the court is irrelevant. I root for them to lose every game. That's what a rivalry is all about.
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My hate runs deep, I see red when I see red. I don't even see their team as human, just an enemy that needs to be destroyed at any cost and its because of their fans. They are insufferable and I rejoice every time they feel any kind of pain.
And if a UW fan comes to this board and reads this crap - what is their thought?
It's gonna be they hate MU not for the school, but because of the fans.
I love all this high and mighty talk. Fans are the same everywhere. Same at MU as at UW. The argument is pretty weak if that's all you got.
I hope UW goes 30-2 EVERY year. The two losses? To MU during the regular season and to MU in the NCAA championship game.
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Most (not all) UW fans will take a NC in football, if they also had to lose every basketball game in the following 5 seasons. I've asked many people here in Madison that questions and most will take the NC in football. Most (not all) of their fans just don't care as much about basketball as an average MU fan. That's why I never think they are deserving to win, even if the team deserves to win, if that makes any sense.
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And if a UW fan comes to this board and reads this crap - what is their thought?
It's gonna be they hate MU not for the school, but because of the fans.
I love all this high and mighty talk. Fans are the same everywhere. Same at MU as at UW. The argument is pretty weak if that's all you got.
I hope UW goes 30-2 EVERY year. The two losses? To MU during the regular season and to MU in the NCAA championship game.
No, not all fans are the same. Wisconsin fans, especially Wisconsin football fans, are consistently labeled among the worst in the country when it comes to how they treat fans of other teams.
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Funny you say all that Rush. Nothing personal but the team I do dislike are your Cubs. I was a fan in my early years here in town during the Sandburg, Sarge, Denier run in '84. But now I pretty much loathe them. The reason. They have EVERY advantage in the world and absolutely ZERO results to show for it. On top of that, Wrigley is an absolute dump. Why you folks continue to fill the stadium and fail to demand more from the team in return for your hard earned dollars is beyond me. I'll take that 'try hard smallest market in baseball team' in Milwaukee every time and twice on Sunday. And I have considerable respect for the Sox who work hard to provide a quality fan experience every year both on the field and at the ballpark.
I will say that my favorite day listening to sports radio in Chicago is the day after the Packers beat the Bears once again. Listening to Doug Buffone and Ed O'Bradovich complain about how 'unacceptable' it is and why can't the Bears be that good is pure joy for me.
Buffone and O'Bradovich are a saving grace for me after a Bears loss. I can always turn them on and laugh off the loss for a couple hours. I think we can all agree that that is can't miss radio.
My favorite line from a screaming Doug: "Frank Omiyale should be brought up on charges, because he got Jay Cutler killed out there!"
As far as the Cubs, hey, you don't need to explain to me what is so infuriating about the team. They should win and they don't. It's a joke. You have to be a huge masochist to be a fan of the team because it's terribly run, the general fandom is obnoxious and they repeatedly let you down. But if I started liking another team just because of that I'd be the fan I hate. Loyal to a fault? Sign me up.
The two most painful losses sportswise for me: 2003 Game 6 - Wanted to drive into oncoming traffic, and MU/Stanford 2008 - I don't know why that one hit me so hard.
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I was a little sick to my stomach after Jackson got fouled with 15 secs to play. Probably one of the most amazing shots I've seen on the ensuing play. Great game.
Oh yeah, I love watching poser Badger fans who came out of the woodwork in droves writhe in the agony of defeat. Full out schadenfreude here. Add an extra innings win over the Red Sox on top of it all, it's been a great 12 hours.
And I absolutely hate watching poser Badger fans who come out of the woodwork in droves to celebrate. Especially since they inevitably feel the need to belittle Marquette as part of that process. A Wisconsin national title would bring on a hellish storm of crap from them toward MU. Heck, the final four will bring us enough crap for the next decade or so.
I agree that Ryan is deserving of accolades, and Wisconsin's team is a bunch of great players. But I'll sleep with a smile on my face think of the anguish of their red dressed and red faced fandom.
I made a point of watching the Kentucky oriented telecast of the game, so I wouldn't be annoyed by the announcers.
Now go UConn and keep the national title out of BCS hands!!!!!!!!!!!
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The two most painful losses sportswise for me: 2003 Game 6 - Wanted to drive into oncoming traffic, and MU/Stanford 2008 - I don't know why that one hit me so hard.
That game irked me as well. Stanford was probably the only team in the nation with two 7 footers going to the NBA, and MU was grossly undersized. It was a battle from the get go, and it was quite easy to develop a disdain for Stanford when you saw how intense the Lopez brothers were. They just got right under your skin with their punk-like attitudes. Despite their huge height advantage, MU played them aggressively, and Buzz had a great gameplan. It's too bad we didn't have another big man on our team that year, otherwise we would have done some damage in the NCAA tourney.
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I softened as years went by. Wisconsin had two coaches---Bill Cofield and Stu Jackson. Both worse than idiots.
I hated everything about Wisconsin. Even the grass around the University. I was 1 of 2 MU backers against
about 25 at work. Another reason. But when Dick Bennett came I softened until Wisco played MU. Go MU.
Cofield had the great remark that Larry Petty out of NY was the next Lou Alcindor (Abdul Jabbar). Petty stunk.
I believe Cofield had the Gregory boys who robbed the dorms. Hatred all the way.
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was there when MU beat Wisco and Al danced on the scorers table. The Hughes twins dad was an idiot that
night.
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I softened as years went by. Wisconsin had two coaches---Bill Cofield and Stu Jackson. Both worse than idiots.
I hated everything about Wisconsin. Even the grass around the University. I was 1 of 2 MU backers against
about 25 at work. Another reason. But when Dick Bennett came I softened until Wisco played MU. Go MU.
Cofield had the great remark that Larry Petty out of NY was the next Lou Alcindor (Abdul Jabbar). Petty stunk.
I believe Cofield had the Gregory boys who robbed the dorms. Hatred all the way.
Don't forget about Steve Yoder between those two. Also not exactly a Mensa candidate. And I think he was an even worse announcer than coach, if that was possible.
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I find the fan base obnoxious... grew up in Michigan loosely following UofM, and their fan base is probably just as obnoxious, but they have the titles and tradition to back it up.
UW's fanbase is just obnoxious without the accomplishment to back it up.
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And if a UW fan comes to this board and reads this crap - what is their thought?
It's gonna be they hate MU not for the school, but because of the fans.
I love all this high and mighty talk. Fans are the same everywhere. Same at MU as at UW. The argument is pretty weak if that's all you got.
I hope UW goes 30-2 EVERY year. The two losses? To MU during the regular season and to MU in the NCAA championship game.
Don't care what they think, in fact I hope they hate MU fans as much as I hate them. It's called a rivalry. Good, clean hate for everyone. It's healthy for the soul.
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was there when MU beat Wisco and Al danced on the scorers table. The Hughes twins dad was an idiot that
night.
Ha, I have that as my desktop, Mr. Hughes flipping Al off. Rivalries are awesome.
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That game irked me as well. Stanford was probably the only team in the nation with two 7 footers going to the NBA, and MU was grossly undersized. It was a battle from the get go, and it was quite easy to develop a disdain for Stanford when you saw how intense the Lopez brothers were. They just got right under your skin with their punk-like attitudes. Despite their huge height advantage, MU played them aggressively, and Buzz had a great gameplan. It's too bad we didn't have another big man on our team that year, otherwise we would have done some damage in the NCAA tourney.
I think that was Crean
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The Badgers and Notre Dame are kind of like the Red Sox to me. I always root for them to lose regardless of the circumstances.
Pretty much. And I hate the enormous bandwagon and all of the legion of poseurs who talk INSANE amounts of crap as if they have any right to. I know a few people who are fans and aren't totally dicks about it and they're fine, but the majority are just awful and make me want the Vadgers to lose even more.
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I think that was Crean
Crean's last game as MU coach.
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Crean's last game as MU coach.
Shows you how much I cared for Crean.
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One thing about this years Badger run that I would be shocked if any UW fan ever admitted to, but I think is obvious- the BC fan support against Oregon flipped the momentum of that game and carried them to the Sweet 16. They don't get out of the 3rd round without an incredibly generous placement in Milwaukee by the tourney committee. I'll go to my grave believing that Oregon wins that game otherwise.
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One thing about this years Badger run that I would be shocked if any UW fan ever admitted to, but I think is obvious- the BC fan support against Oregon flipped the momentum of that game and carried them to the Sweet 16. They don't get out of the 3rd round without an incredibly generous placement in Milwaukee by the tourney committee. I'll go to my grave believing that Oregon wins that game otherwise.
Absolutely.
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Buffone and O'Bradovich are a saving grace for me after a Bears loss. I can always turn them on and laugh off the loss for a couple hours. I think we can all agree that that is can't miss radio.
My favorite line from a screaming Doug: "Frank Omiyale should be brought up on charges, because he got Jay Cutler killed out there!"
As far as the Cubs, hey, you don't need to explain to me what is so infuriating about the team. They should win and they don't. It's a joke. You have to be a huge masochist to be a fan of the team because it's terribly run, the general fandom is obnoxious and they repeatedly let you down. But if I started liking another team just because of that I'd be the fan I hate. Loyal to a fault? Sign me up.
The two most painful losses sportswise for me: 2003 Game 6 - Wanted to drive into oncoming traffic, and MU/Stanford 2008 - I don't know why that one hit me so hard.
Wonderful perspective on it Rush. Of course you have to be a Cubs fan. I'd call you disloyal if you weren't. Look, I'm just old enough to remember the Packer glory years. Then it was 20+ years in purgatory before the return to prominence. Never wavered once. MY team. The ONLY way.
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One thing about this years Badger run that I would be shocked if any UW fan ever admitted to, but I think is obvious- the BC fan support against Oregon flipped the momentum of that game and carried them to the Sweet 16. They don't get out of the 3rd round without an incredibly generous placement in Milwaukee by the tourney committee. I'll go to my grave believing that Oregon wins that game otherwise.
Nothing generous about it. This is how the pod system works. They were a 2 seed, they earned that location.
Duke got sent to a location 25 miles away from their home court, but they lost.
A few years ago, Nova played in Philadelphia.
This is not unusual nor is it generous, they earned that right by getting a 2 seed. MU fans selling their seats at crazy levels didn't help.
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Nothing generous about it. This is how the pod system works. They were a 2 seed, they earned that location.
Duke got sent to a location 25 miles away from their home court, but they lost.
A few years ago, Nova played in Philadelphia.
This is not unusual nor is it generous, they earned that right by getting a 2 seed. MU fans selling their seats at crazy levels didn't help.
I know it's not unusual, but it's crap. Oregon as a 7 seed shouldn't be playing a de facto road game in the tournament. They deserved a better draw than that.
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I know it's not unusual, but it's crap. Oregon as a 7 seed shouldn't be playing a de facto road game in the tournament. They deserved a better draw than that.
This tournament should not be the committee finding ways to give teams home games and that was a home game for UW.
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I know it's not unusual, but it's crap. Oregon as a 7 seed shouldn't be playing a de facto road game in the tournament. They deserved a better draw than that.
You could fill in any team other than Oregon and make the same argument. Thing is, play better during the year, get a better seed and it doesn't happen.
I have far less sympathy for that situation because Wisconsin earned it. What pisses me off is when MU is a 6 seed and has to go to Boise to play Utah State which becomes a home game for Utah State. That's when it is unfair because the lower seed didn't deserve that home crowd.
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You could fill in any team other than Oregon and make the same argument. Thing is, play better during the year, get a better seed and it doesn't happen.
I have far less sympathy for that situation because Wisconsin earned it. What pisses me off is when MU is a 6 seed and has to go to Boise to play Utah State which becomes a home game for Utah State. That's when it is unfair because the lower seed didn't deserve that home crowd.
We're going to agree to disagree, no school should have that enormous of a home court advantage in any NCAA tournament round. And the Badgers weren't all that either to get that placement- 5 game losing streak in-season, including a Northwestern home loss, lost two of three heading into the tournament (I know Nebraska was on the road), you could make a strong argument the Badgers didn't do enough either.
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Nothing generous about it. This is how the pod system works. They were a 2 seed, they earned that location.
Duke got sent to a location 25 miles away from their home court, but they lost.
A few years ago, Nova played in Philadelphia.
This is not unusual nor is it generous, they earned that right by getting a 2 seed. MU fans selling their seats at crazy levels didn't help.
It's luck of the draw.
If anything, UCONN received the biggest bump by playing against Iowa St. and Mich st. @ Madison Square Garden. That was essentially 2 home games, one of which, was the deciding factor in beating Mich St.
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It's luck of the draw.
If anything, UCONN received the biggest bump by playing against Iowa St. and Mich st. @ Madison Square Garden. That was essentially 2 home games, one of which, was the deciding factor in beating Mich St.
NOBODY had a bigger home court advantage in this tournament than UW did in Milwaukee. It's as obvious as Buzz's shaved head.
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I'll add that when the debate after the game is whether your own home building is as loud and vocal in support for your team as where you played in the tournament, that is damning testimony that you got a gift from the tournament committee.
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NOBODY had a bigger home court advantage in this tournament than UW did in Milwaukee. It's as obvious as Buzz's shaved head.
You obviously didn't watch Mich St. vs. UCONN @ MSG. You can argue that changed the outcome of the game.
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You obviously didn't watch Mich St. vs. UCONN @ MSG. You can argue that changed the outcome of the game.
The thing is UConn had to win twice, including upsetting a 2 seed, to even get to MSG.
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Well let me add some. I am a Milw born raised MU bb fan from the early 60's I actually went to UW on a FB schollie in the Early 70's. Can u say coach John Jardine??. Lol UW bb coach was their tennis coach. John powless. Lol. SAD! Left UW due to knee injuries. Went to MU then.. What Was there NOT to like w/MU BB?? I had season tix in Arena and of course in BC in 1988 since. My support never wavered for MU, but I still supported UW FB. But those Badger fans have become insufferable idiots goofs, use whatever term u wish..between those fans and da Grinch, no way will we cheer for them. Gasser and Bo deserve each other as there should never be a foul called against him or the UW team.. I was lucky I'm on a sunny beach in Mexico. I checked the score at half and final. We were very happy last night. Ok. Enuf of my rant and comments. I just wanted to weigh in from a little different perspective. go WARRIORS!!
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The thing is UConn had to win twice, including upsetting a 2 seed, to even get to MSG.
I don't see how that has anything to do with having home crowds for 2 games @ MSG against tougher opponents in the sweet 16 and elite 8. That's a huge advantage. The crowd was going nuts for UCONN just as they were for Wisconsin vs. Oregon.
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I don't see how that has anything to do with having home crowds for 2 games @ MSG against tougher opponents in the sweet 16 and elite 8. That's a huge advantage. The crowd was going nuts for UCONN just as they were for Wisconsin vs. Oregon.
How many games did UW have to win to play at the Bradley Center?
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a lifelong U of M football fan
Good man!
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How many games did UW have to win to play at the Bradley Center?
You had said that UW had gotten the biggest home court advantage in the tournament by playing at the Bradley Center. While they got a huge bump from the crowd in the Oregon game, the UCONN crowd at Madison Square Garden was instrumental in the defeat of MSU.
I think what you're arguing is that the committee gave UW 2 home games on purpose, and thus favoritism. I'm not arguing that.
What I'm articulationg is showing how effective the crowds were in swaying the outcome of a game that had much more significance than Wisconsin's 2 games @ the BC.
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We're going to agree to disagree, no school should have that enormous of a home court advantage in any NCAA tournament round. And the Badgers weren't all that either to get that placement- 5 game losing streak in-season, including a Northwestern home loss, lost two of three heading into the tournament (I know Nebraska was on the road), you could make a strong argument the Badgers didn't do enough either.
Then get rid of the pod system. They had a 2 seed, how is it that they didn't earn that placement? Of course they did.
Why did Duke get to go to Raleigh? Arizona got to play in San Diego and then Anaheim...didn't they have an unfair advantage over Wisconsin in that game? UW beat them anyway. Florida got to play in Orlando. Syracuse played in Buffalo.
Yes, UW lost to NW at home...They also beat TWO number one seeds this year, Florida and Virginia, in the regular season. They went on to beat a 3rd in the NCAA tournament. Do we get to ignore those because they lost to NW at home? You don't get to cherry pick arguments on this. They beat 3 seed Michigan as well. Wisconsin earned every bit their 2 seed this year.
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NOBODY had a bigger home court advantage in this tournament than UW did in Milwaukee. It's as obvious as Buzz's shaved head.
MU fans shouldn't have sold so many of their tickets then. We helped contribute to it. They earned their placement per the Pod system, no different than Duke in Raleigh, Syracuse in Buffalo, Arizona in San Diego then Anaheim.
Next year, if UW is a top 2 seed, they will likely go to Omaha or Columbus....and they will travel well again.
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You had said that UW had gotten the biggest home court advantage in the tournament by playing at the Bradley Center. While they got a huge bump from the crowd in the Oregon game, the UCONN crowd at Madison Square Garden was instrumental in the defeat of MSU.
I think what you're arguing is that the committee gave UW 2 home games on purpose, and thus favoritism. I'm not arguing that.
What I'm articulationg is showing how effective the crowds were in swaying the outcome of a game that had much more significance than Wisconsin's 2 games @ the BC.
They're all significant in the NCAA tournament when your season ends with one loss.
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Then get rid of the pod system. They had a 2 seed, how is it that they didn't earn that placement? Of course they did.
Why did Duke get to go to Raleigh? Arizona got to play in San Diego and then Anaheim...didn't they have an unfair advantage over Wisconsin in that game? UW beat them anyway. Florida got to play in Orlando. Syracuse played in Buffalo.
Yes, UW lost to NW at home...They also beat TWO number one seeds this year, Florida and Virginia, in the regular season. They went on to beat a 3rd in the NCAA tournament. Do we get to ignore those because they lost to NW at home? You don't get to cherry pick arguments on this. They beat 3 seed Michigan as well. Wisconsin earned every bit their 2 seed this year.
I don't like the pod system. I don't like Duke always seemingly playing in NC. When we lost to Stanford in '08 and Washington in '10, those were overwhelmingly pro Stanford and Washington crowds.
I'm not arguing UW didn't deserve a two seed, they probably did (although I don't think that's an obvious call either), but again, when the debate after the game is what was louder where we just played in the tournament or our own building, that is a completely unfair advantage that the majority of schools never to get to enjoy, like us!
Why should a small group of programs enjoy this advantage when most never do? It's crap.
I'll add that Florida was missing two of it's better players, including Wilbekin, when they lost to UW.
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One thing about this years Badger run that I would be shocked if any UW fan ever admitted to, but I think is obvious- the BC fan support against Oregon flipped the momentum of that game and carried them to the Sweet 16. They don't get out of the 3rd round without an incredibly generous placement in Milwaukee by the tourney committee. I'll go to my grave believing that Oregon wins that game otherwise.
High seeded teams get "home crowds" every single year. If Oregon was good enough they would have been playing out west in the 1st round. Location is a benefit you get for being amongst the best teams. That's the way it is done.
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when the debate after the game is what was louder where we just played in the tournament or our own building, that is a completely unfair advantage that the majority of schools never to get to enjoy, like us!
I guess we should win more games then. There is no vendetta against MU. It comes down to winning.
Do you think there should be no reward for a team that goes 30-2 as opposed to one that goes 20-12? Shouldn't the teams that win be rewarded?
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I don't like the pod system. I don't like Duke always seemingly playing in NC. When we lost to Stanford in '08 and Washington in '10, those were overwhelmingly pro Stanford and Washington crowds.
I'm not arguing UW didn't deserve a two seed, they probably did (although I don't think that's an obvious call either), but again, when the debate after the game is what was louder where we just played in the tournament or our own building, that is a completely unfair advantage that the majority of schools never to get to enjoy, like us!
Why should a small group of programs enjoy this advantage when most never do? It's crap.
I'll add that Florida was missing two of it's better players, including Wilbekin, when they lost to UW.
I don't think it (POD) is going away. Attendance has struggled in the early rounds at some NCAA sites the last 5 to 10 years. There was also the argument that the reverse was happening and high seeded teams were having to travel a great distance and playing against teams that has a more regional advantage. That is also unfair.
Its impossible to get this right with that many teams involved and tournament sites preselected 3 years in advance. Make the best of the situation. If MU was sent to Chicago, no one here would bitch despite it being roughly the same distance from Chicago as Madison is to Milwaukee. Props to UW fans that support their team.
Let's also not forget that last time Wisconsin was in Milwaukee, they lost the second game to Pittsburgh, who was actually the higher seed. THAT, was unfair as hell.
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I guess we should win more games then. There is no vendetta against MU. It comes down to winning.
Do you think there should be no reward for a team that goes 30-2 as opposed to one that goes 20-12? Shouldn't the teams that win be rewarded?
They are rewarded- if the committee seeds properly, your opponents aren't as good on your way to the Sweet 16 and beyond. After all, a one has NEVER lost to a 16. Two's very rarely lose, etc. How much reward do you want to give them?
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I guess we should win more games then. There is no vendetta against MU. It comes down to winning.
Do you think there should be no reward for a team that goes 30-2 as opposed to one that goes 20-12? Shouldn't the teams that win be rewarded?
Teams should be rewarded. What I would like to see the committee due is create more matchups based on former rivalries or instate rivalries. Dayton vs. Ohio St. in the first round was a great storyline that turned into a great game. It would be nice to see that if the possibilities of these type of matchups exist in the first round, to capitalize on them.
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They are rewarded- if the committee seeds properly, your opponents aren't as good on your way to the Sweet 16 and beyond. After all, a one has NEVER lost to a 16. Two's very rarely lose, etc. How much reward do you want to give them?
It's more than just the first round that you are rewarded for. Case in point, Arizona's games were San Diego and Anaheim. It can carry through.
How do you propose this issue is "fixed" considering the sites are selected years in advance. How are you going to make a fairer system that doesn't create other unfair situations by moving teams around?
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I don't think it (POD) is going away. Attendance has struggled in the early rounds at some NCAA sites the last 5 to 10 years. There was also the argument that the reverse was happening and high seeded teams were having to travel a great distance and playing against teams that has a more regional advantage. That is also unfair.
Its impossible to get this right with that many teams involved and tournament sites preselected 3 years in advance. Make the best of the situation. If MU was sent to Chicago, no one here would bitch despite it being roughly the same distance from Chicago as Madison is to Milwaukee. Props to UW fans that support their team.
Let's also not forget that last time Wisconsin was in Milwaukee, they lost the second game to Pittsburgh, who was actually the higher seed. THAT, was unfair as hell.
2004 was another b.s. draw for UW- that year they did WAY less and were placed in Milwaukee. I was at their first game against Richmond, and it was very similar to this year's Oregon game, they were behind and not showing much, then they started as small run, the crowd got very loud and involved and it snowballed.
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It's more than just the first round that you are rewarded for. Case in point, Arizona's games were San Diego and Anaheim. It can carry through.
How do you propose this issue is "fixed" considering the sites are selected years in advance. How are you going to make a fairer system that doesn't create other unfair situations by moving teams around?
Nothing in life is perfect, they can make it better though by getting rid of the pod system. The field certainly is not set several years out. The whole pod system came about with the NCAA hypocrisy about kids missing too much class time. I'm sure the kids at UK who have their sights on the NBA as soon as this tournament is over are really concerned about all the work they'll have to catch upon after tomorrow night.
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Nothing in life is perfect, they can make it better though by getting rid of the pod system. The field certainly is not set several years out. The whole pod system came about with the NCAA hypocrisy about kids missing too much class time. I'm sure the kids at UK who have their sights on the NBA as soon as this tournament is over are really concerned about all the work they'll have to catch upon after tomorrow night.
Yes, I'm sure their tutors are hungover and writing papers at a feverish pitch today.
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Nothing in life is perfect, they can make it better though by getting rid of the pod system. The field certainly is not set several years out. The whole pod system came about with the NCAA hypocrisy about kids missing too much class time. I'm sure the kids at UK who have their sights on the NBA as soon as this tournament is over are really concerned about all the work they'll have to catch upon after tomorrow night.
You're falling into the same trap as so many others do. Just because UK has one and done kids that don't care (some anyway) about school, doesn't mean that is the case for all 68 teams.
The reality is, the POD system didn't change anything about kids out of class, nor did the NCAA claim it would. If you play on Thursday, you still leave on Monday. If you play on Friday, you still leave on Tuesday. None of that has changed. The POD system was created in 2002 to cut down on travel costs, help fans of their schools get to games (make it more affordable), and increase attendance.
ALSO, it was to create what I described earlier, putting a top tiered seed at a home court DISADVANTAGE. Here is the bylaw directly as written "To recognize the demonstrated quality of such teams, the committee shall not place teams seeded on the first five lines at a potential “home-crowd disadvantage” in the second round.
Has the POD system had a negative impact on upsets? Nope.
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By the way, great read on the POD system being an Unqualified Success
http://www.teamrankings.com/blog/ncaa-basketball/the-pod-system-for-once-the-ncaa-got-something-right-stat-geek-idol
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Yes, I'm sure their tutors are hungover and writing papers at a feverish pitch today.
;D
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Yes, I'm sure their tutors are hungover and writing papers at a feverish pitch today.
Can we still say +1, because that was very funny.
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http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rghammon/workshop/F12_McFall_NCAA.pdf
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A few reasons I dislike UW:
- Fan Base - Primarily those that went to UW Oshkosh, but jump on the bandwagon.
- The Assumption - If you grew up in Wisconsin, you like UW.
- The Assumption 2.0 - If you grew up in Wisconsin, you should attend UW (my sister was a national merit scholar and did not receive any local scholarships, among many reasons, was that she did not apply to UW).
I could go, but their fan base is particularly obnoxious.
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the second round.
By the way, great read on the POD system being an Unqualified Success
http://www.teamrankings.com/blog/ncaa-basketball/the-pod-system-for-once-the-ncaa-got-something-right-stat-geek-idol
We could probably go back and forth all day Chicos, so agree to disagree. I found a column which articulates very well the negatives of the pod system. It's not recent, but all of the arguments are every bit as applicable to now. And interesting points about STATE schools getting unfair advantages from it-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/146032-ncaa-tournament-pod-system-needs-changes
And I swear among the things (as mentioned by you above) the NCAA babbled about when it introduced the pod system, was less missed classes for it's athletes.
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In the 1974 tournament NC State didn't play a single game outside the state of North Carolina. Bo Ellis was right when he said it wasn't our time.
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You have to admit...... this is pretty good.
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We could probably go back and forth all day Chicos, so agree to disagree. I found a column which articulates very well the negatives of the pod system. It's not recent, but all of the arguments are every bit as applicable to now. And interesting points about STATE schools getting unfair advantages from it-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/146032-ncaa-tournament-pod-system-needs-changes
And I swear among the things (as mentioned by you above) the NCAA babbled about when it introduced the pod system, was less missed classes for it's athletes.
I swore I read here that Bleacher Report articles were as accurate as MSNBC material and not to be used.
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I swore I read here that Bleacher Report articles were as accurate as MSNBC material and not to be used.
;)
Let it be known that Fox News and CBN are being added to the list as well.
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Let it be known that Fox News and CBN are being added to the list as well.
As are the NY Times, CBS, ABC, PBS, NBC and others. Looks like we'll have to rely on Pravda
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As are the NY Times, CBS, ABC, PBS, NBC and others. Looks like we'll have to rely on Pravda
Al Jazeera America will be our source.
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2004 was another b.s. draw for UW- that year they did WAY less and were placed in Milwaukee. I was at their first game against Richmond, and it was very similar to this year's Oregon game, they were behind and not showing much, then they started as small run, the crowd got very loud and involved and it snowballed.
If only the NCAA was nicer to Marquette, we'd have more banners. Happy now? Exactly the kind of whining that makes UW fans feel superior to MU fans.
Name me a sport where the better team doesn't get an advantage. That WHY you play the regular season.
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For a rivalry to exist, both schools would have to feel the same about each other. Hate to inform y'all, but most Badgers don't give no chit 'bout MU. Just sayin', ain't no point in gettin' your thong in a bunch, 'cuz it's largely one sided.
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For a rivalry to exist, both schools would have to feel the same about each other. Hate to inform y'all, but most Badgers don't give no chit 'bout MU. Just sayin', ain't no point in gettin' your thong in a bunch, 'cuz it's largely one sided.
For people who don't give no chit about Marquette, they sure do discuss Marquette a lot on their message boards and on Twitter.
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4ever
You are correct. It has been years since UW has considered us a major rival. Since their athletic program has become a national brand we have fallen down the pecking order to Badger fans. Years ago we both considered each other hated rivals, today only MU fans have that feeling.
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4ever
You are correct. It has been years since UW has considered us a major rival. Since their athletic program has become a national brand we have fallen down the pecking order to Badger fans. Years ago we both considered each other hated rivals, today only MU fans have that feeling.
Well, ten of about 18 people I'd call good friends graduated from Madison within the last 3 years, and they don't agree with you at all.
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MUeagle
Exactly. Back in the day 18 out of 18 would have felt that way. Sports is too spread out these days and UW has bigger fish to fry these days. Sure, when they play us they might hate us, but it is not 365 hate. You need to dislike your rival 12 months a year to make it intense.
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MUeagle
Exactly. Back in the day 18 out of 18 would have felt that way. Sports is too spread out these days and UW has bigger fish to fry these days. Sure, when they play us they might hate us, but it is not 365 hate. You need to dislike your rival 12 months a year to make it intense.
Perhaps they should play twice a year then or have an all Wisconsin tournament and then schedule the one and one as normal.
1st round. Wisconsin vs. GB
MU vs. UWM
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Perhaps they should play twice a year then or have an all Wisconsin tournament and then schedule the one and one as normal.
1st round. Wisconsin vs. GB
MU vs. UWM
Don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Good man!
Grew up in Michigan and have lots of family connections to the school.
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Born and raised in Wisconsin. Strong preference for Warrior hoops since 5th grade (around 1970-71). Always a Badger FB fan, since their was no other college FB team to root for. As a kid, I rooted for UW hoops when they weren't playing MU. Got a sense of the rivalry when Al jumped on the scorers table after Maurice Lucas hit the bomb for the win (8th grade?)
I didn't realize I had to hate the Badgers and the Domers until I arrived at MU.
Hate I did in this order: 1) ND 2)DePaul 3) UW.
ND hatred was way more intense than the others. DP had a top 5 ranking then.
UW is not so much about the players or the coach. It is about not wanting to take crap from your friends and co-workers for the rest of the year. It is about RPI and recruiting. It is about the UW River Falls knuckleheads. It was always way more important to beat Big East teams.
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Born and raised in Wisconsin. Strong preference for Warrior hoops since 5th grade (around 1970-71). Always a Badger FB fan, since their was no other college FB team to root for. As a kid, I rooted for UW hoops when they weren't playing MU. Got a sense of the rivalry when Al jumped on the scorers table after Maurice Lucas hit the bomb for the win (8th grade?)
I didn't realize I had to hate the Badgers and the Domers until I arrived at MU.
Hate I did in this order: 1) ND 2)DePaul 3) UW.
ND hatred was way more intense than the others. DP had a top 5 ranking then.
UW is not so much about the players or the coach. It is about not wanting to take crap from your friends and co-workers for the rest of the year. It is about RPI and recruiting. It is about the UW River Falls knuckleheads. It was always way more important to beat Big East teams.
Similar here. Grew up in Wisconsin as UW fan. My dad took me to Milwaukee to see Pete Maravich play in '68 I believe, and that is when I became an MU fan. Loved "Brute Force" and the way he played. Been MU fan ever since.
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This sums mine up. The Walmart Badger Fans in this state are horrid to deal with. I was so unnatural carnal knowledgeing happy when Jackson's last shot rimmed out.
A few reasons I dislike UW:
- Fan Base - Primarily those that went to UW Oshkosh, but jump on the bandwagon.
- The Assumption - If you grew up in Wisconsin, you like UW.
- The Assumption 2.0 - If you grew up in Wisconsin, you should attend UW (my sister was a national merit scholar and did not receive any local scholarships, among many reasons, was that she did not apply to UW).
I could go, but their fan base is particularly obnoxious.
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I like the Badgers the same way I like the NY Yankees, I sure like watching them lose. Its very entertaining.
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For people who don't give no chit about Marquette, they sure do discuss Marquette a lot on their message boards and on Twitter.
Exactly. Spare me the crap that UW doesn't care about MU. Vadger fans are on this site constantly...and they always have multiple MU threads on their own sites.
One-sided, my a*s.
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Exactly. Spare me the crap that UW doesn't care about MU. Vadger fans are on this site constantly...and they always have multiple MU threads on their own sites.
One-sided, my a*s.
It really isn't fair concerning Vadger fans being on here during a game. Since there offense is so slow, they should have no problem getting 2-3 Muscoop posts per possession, while an uptempo MU team is about .3 posts per possession. How are we supposed to contend with that?
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For a rivalry to exist, both schools would have to feel the same about each other. Hate to inform y'all, but most Badgers don't give no chit 'bout MU. Just sayin', ain't no point in gettin' your thong in a bunch, 'cuz it's largely one sided.
If that's the case, then who is Becky's biggest basketball rival? Or their biggest football rival? No clear answer.
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For a rivalry to exist, both schools would have to feel the same about each other. Hate to inform y'all, but most Badgers don't give no chit 'bout MU. Just sayin', ain't no point in gettin' your thong in a bunch, 'cuz it's largely one sided.
This is the same tired played-out crap that Vadger fans love to spew. Pretend there's no rivalry because UW is so clearly superior.
Transparent and weak.
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For a rivalry to exist, both schools would have to feel the same about each other. Hate to inform y'all, but most Badgers don't give no chit 'bout MU. Just sayin', ain't no point in gettin' your thong in a bunch, 'cuz it's largely one sided.
All evidence I've seen, online, and with my relationships with many, many, friends who went to UW, points to the contrary
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All evidence I've seen, online, and with my relationships with many, many, friends who went to UW, points to the contrary
It's not a heated rivalry unless you're speaking with the die hard's from each camp. A significant amount of people seem to root for both programs in some shape or form. Wisconsin isn't a sports nation divided. I would think that in order to tip the scales and escalate it to a more partisan affair, you would have to get two coaches that get under people's skin. Perhaps, if Wojo stole a recruit, this could end up being the first shot fired in a bloody civil war and ignite the rivalry to epic proportions. Bo Ryan doesn't come off like that and Wojo hasn't indicated that he's going to rip the rug underneath Bo in recruiting, so I think the rivalry will stay fairly calm for most. But... for the Diehards, the Dogs of War howl into the night.
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Cant stand the Rodents. Im not even Wisconsin born. Born and raised in Chicago but after Notre Dame and maybe Ohio State and Duke during the Scheyer years, ive hated the Badgers more than any other them. Dont know why, just the way it has always been.
Though with that being said. Went to a NU football game at Camp Randall this year and with the exception of one prick (who really ruined the experience) all the other fans were decent people. Theyre better football fans then bball but still would never cheer for them.
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It's not a heated rivalry unless you're speaking with the die hard's from each camp. A significant amount of people seem to root for both programs in some shape or form. Wisconsin isn't a sports nation divided. I would think that in order to tip the scales and escalate it to a more partisan affair, you would have to get two coaches that get under people's skin. Perhaps, if Wojo stole a recruit, this could end up being the first shot fired in a bloody civil war and ignite the rivalry to epic proportions. Bo Ryan doesn't come off like that and Wojo hasn't indicated that he's going to rip the rug underneath Bo in recruiting, so I think the rivalry will stay fairly calm for most. But... for the Diehards, the Dogs of War howl into the night.
This actually happened. See: Buzz Williams, Vander Blue.
I do think there is a fresh start with Wojo, and most Badger fans will give him a season or two before making a judgment. Just as when UW finally gets a new coach, I will loathe him nowhere near as much as I do Bo, at least for a little while (he has to earn my contempt). But there was a lot of hatred from UW under the Crean and Buzz regimes.
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This actually happened. See: Buzz Williams, Vander Blue.
I do think there is a fresh start with Wojo, and most Badger fans will give him a season or two before making a judgment. Just as when UW finally gets a new coach, I will loathe him nowhere near as much as I do Bo, at least for a little while (he has to earn my contempt). But there was a lot of hatred from UW under the Crean and Buzz regimes.
I see your point. To me, a deep rivalry is when you get people who don't follow the sport/teams much like the majority of women, and have them choosing sides. That, I believe, is the tipping point for full blown war.
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I see your point. To me, a deep rivalry is when you get people who don't follow the sport/teams much like the majority of women, and have them choosing sides. That, I believe, is the tipping point for full blown war.
Yup, its always the women who start the wars. Keefe....cue Israeli women...
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Just gonna leave this right here-
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I didn't root for either team, but I enjoy the type of ball Wisconsin played this year. Team that can shoot, space properly, pass and defend. I just enjoy teams that can shoot the basketball which opens things up for everyone else. Thought Wisconsin's guards were also pretty good this year, even if they didn't have a natural point guard.
I'll never like the university for their smug fans, especially those that didn't attend...the state is so damn provincial it is incredible.
ButchBadger's comment about how the NCAA lost is still laughable to me. He's upset that UCONN and Kentucky are in the final, calling them both cheaters....the fact that Wisconsin still remains in the top 10 all-time on NCAA infractions list apparently is too hard for him to comprehend or such a stupid statement wouldn't have been made.
He's right that the NCAA lost insofar as the lack of parity amongst NCAA winners lately is unfortunate. I wanted some new blood in there, and if it was from Wisconsin that would be even better. The last 10-12 years, Louisville, Kentucky, UConn, Florida, North Carolina and Duke are the only teams that have won the NCAA I believe, almost all blue bloods. We need a change to give non blue bloods some hope. That said, UConn is much more tolerable than Kentucky, so I'll be rooting for them.
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He's right that the NCAA lost insofar as the lack of parity amongst NCAA winners lately is unfortunate. I wanted some new blood in there, and if it was from Wisconsin that would be even better. The last 10-12 years, Louisville, Kentucky, UConn, Florida, North Carolina and Duke are the only teams that have won the NCAA I believe, almost all blue bloods. We need a change to give non blue bloods some hope. That said, UConn is much more tolerable than Kentucky, so I'll be rooting for them.
Change is coming as long as the blue bloods recruit 1 and dones. Less talented Duke and UNC teams, left the door open for other teams to fill the vacuum. Wisconsin was one of those teams. Teams that coach well and have excellent junior/senior talent will always have a shot at beating the blue bloods in a 1 and done format. We've already witnessed this with VCU, Wichita State, and George Mason.
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He's right that the NCAA lost insofar as the lack of parity amongst NCAA winners lately is unfortunate. I wanted some new blood in there, and if it was from Wisconsin that would be even better. The last 10-12 years, Louisville, Kentucky, UConn, Florida, North Carolina and Duke are the only teams that have won the NCAA I believe, almost all blue bloods. We need a change to give non blue bloods some hope. That said, UConn is much more tolerable than Kentucky, so I'll be rooting for them.
That wasn't his point, however. He wanted to say how dirty those programs are with the irony being that Wisconsin-madison ranks in the top 10 all time for NCAA infractions by a school.
If you go to Buckyville, as I did this morning, he has it all laid out why the victimhood of Wisconsin should be put in bright lights.
As for the main argument, Wisconsin was 6 seconds away for playing for their first title since 1941. Butler played for two titles in the last 6 years. We've had final fours with Marquette, George Mason, VCU, Butler, etc in the last decade. Just because they don't capture the title doesn't mean schools outside of the blues aren't pushing harder than ever to grab that prize.
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The last 10-12 years, Louisville, Kentucky, UConn, Florida, North Carolina and Duke are the only teams that have won the NCAA I believe, almost all blue bloods. We need a change to give non blue bloods some hope.
It's not a last 10-12 years thing. Over the last 20 years (including tonight), Maryland is the champion with the lowest status program. After that, it's either MSU, Louisville, or Florida.
Going back even further, championships have never had much parity, unless you count the peach-basket era when the Badgers got theirs.