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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Benny B on April 03, 2014, 11:32:32 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mets-second-baseman-ripped-by-new-york-radio-hosts-for-taking-paternity-leave-233732615.html
Seriously, are sports talk guys really this dumb and/or out of touch?!? If you were the starting QB in the Super Bowl tomorrow morning and your wife just gave birth... sure, maybe you put things at home/hospital on pause for a few hours while you go play the game, but as far as importance, early April baseball is the analogue of the one day a year you shoot compressed air into your keyboard and clean the mouse ball.
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The MLBPA negotiated that in the last CBA. Up to 3 days for paternity leave. Classless to attack anybody who puts the birth of a child over a day at work.
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In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mets-second-baseman-ripped-by-new-york-radio-hosts-for-taking-paternity-leave-233732615.html
Seriously, are sports talk guys really this dumb and/or out of touch?!? If you were the starting QB in the Super Bowl tomorrow morning and your wife just gave birth... sure, maybe you put things at home/hospital on pause for a few hours while you go play the game, but as far as importance, early April baseball is the analogue of the one day a year you shoot compressed air into your keyboard and clean the mouse ball.
It's the Mets........ need I not say anymore?
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In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.
Says who?
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Says who?
Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.
You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.
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IIRC my brother took 3 months PA-ternity leave after each of his daughters were born (nice to work at a cush place that pays that).
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I recently read an article on this in The Atlantic. Usually the father takes the leave separately and after the wife takes maternity leave. Of course the leave is like a year for each parent.
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you want leave and you're a dude, move to Sweden or Norway.
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In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.
He took 3 days off - missed 2 games. But if lying bolsters the argument - feel free to do it.
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He took 3 days off - missed 2 games. But if lying bolsters the argument - feel free to do it.
I wasn't "lying." I read an article that said 10 days. A couple days, as I said (in my "lie") is OK with me.
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I wasn't "lying." I read an article that said 10 days. A couple days, as I said (in my "lie") is OK with me.
My apologies.
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Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.
You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.
If you're going to make a decision about being with a newborn child based strictly upon whether or not your wife needs help, then there's no sense in arguing. You are right, an MLB player should be able to enlist a nanny to "help out," but - like Francesa - you've complete missed the point if you think this is strictly about "helping." If you choose to restrict your role as a parent to only those times when you think your wife needs help or a break, that's fine... but don't go around preaching to those of us who want to spend time with our children irrespective of whether the mother needs help or not.
It's no wonder that so many kids have father issues these days... I'd probably hate my dad too if the only time he spent with me was when my mother told him to.
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In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.
Disagree completely.
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Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.
You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.
You have a pretty limited conception of fatherhood. That's all I'll say.
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you want leave and you're a dude, move to Sweden or Norway.
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you want leave and you're a dude, move to Sweden or Norway.
Prioritizing an abstract notion of "duty" fulfilled by daily work over celebrating the birth of and bonding with your newborn child is definitely an American concept, no question there.
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You have a pretty limited conception of fatherhood. That's all I'll say.
This is so moronic I don't know how to respond. Enlighten me.
You realize that disagreeing with my "conception" of fatherhood...or anything for that matter...automatically makes your opinion limited? Does it not? I believe 10 days is too much and that a father should go back to work well before that. You believe a father should spend more time at home at the expense of his work, which is essential to his role as a father. Therefore your conception is limited in that it does include my conception.
That was a really fancy use of words, though! Wish I could be as open minded as you!
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You realize that disagreeing with my "conception" of fatherhood...or anything for that matter...automatically makes your opinion limited?
Therefore your conception is limited in that it does include my conception.
Are you stoned?
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Why are we talking about 10 Days?
This didn't happen. What is the purpose of a made up argument? Murphy took 3 days paternity leave and missed two games.
Francesa just lied to push his agenda of people not wanting to work and to let us know he is against the un-American idea of putting family before the profits of your employer. That's just something those socialists over in Europe do.
What we are missing and is much worse is that Boomer Esiason suggested Murphy's wife should have had a C-section so as not to inconvenience her husband. What a truly horrendous human being to make such a suggestion.
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What we are missing and is much worse is that Boomer Esiason suggested Murphy's wife should have had a C-section so as not to inconvenience her husband. What a truly horrendous human being to make such a suggestion.
Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio. I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.
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Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio. I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.
That was what I always thought as well. Maybe time to re-assess.
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Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio. I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.
Professionally speaking, perhaps. Personally? Eh. There are stories.
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Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio. I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.
He was apologizing this morning. Said he was way out ot line. He supposedly reached out to the Mets so he could to personally apologize to Daniel Murphy.
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He was apologizing this morning. Said he was way out ot line. He supposedly reached out to the Mets so he could to personally apologize to Daniel Murphy.
I was very surprised that he made these comments. I'm pretty sure he has had a child born with health issues so I would think he would be sensitive to this.
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This is so moronic I don't know how to respond. Enlighten me.
You realize that disagreeing with my "conception" of fatherhood...or anything for that matter...automatically makes your opinion limited? Does it not? I believe 10 days is too much and that a father should go back to work well before that. You believe a father should spend more time at home at the expense of his work, which is essential to his role as a father. Therefore your conception is limited in that it does include my conception.
That was a really fancy use of words, though! Wish I could be as open minded as you!
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but with all due respect, you shouldn't be the one criticizing another father because he wants to play an expanded role in the life of his child.
If you want to spend less time with your kids because you think your work is more important, fine. But don't give someone else the business for believing that family time is just as important, if not more so, than work time.
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Pretty much sums up my view, via Chris Hayes.
] there is this kind of macho culture in which fatherhood is this kind of remote sort of undertaking. Where the domestic sphere belongs to the woman, maternity is the kind of key relationship with the child and the mother, the father is a distant person. And you heard in Boomer's comments: 'this is how we're making our money.' The father's out providing, the mother's at the home caretaking, and I'm sorry, but it's crap. It's crap. It's Neanderthalish, ridiculous confines of this patriarchal view of what the relationship is between the genders and it's incredibly imprisoning for men. This is the thing that just drives me crazy about this. It's like: take some time with your frickin' kid. And take some time with the partner in your life who brought the kid into the world. And that actually is part of being a man. That is part of being a full human being and a caring person.
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Pretty much sums up my view, via Chris Hayes.
] there is this kind of macho culture in which fatherhood is this kind of remote sort of undertaking. Where the domestic sphere belongs to the woman, maternity is the kind of key relationship with the child and the mother, the father is a distant person. And you heard in Boomer's comments: 'this is how we're making our money.' The father's out providing, the mother's at the home caretaking, and I'm sorry, but it's crap. It's crap. It's Neanderthalish, ridiculous confines of this patriarchal view of what the relationship is between the genders and it's incredibly imprisoning for men. This is the thing that just drives me crazy about this. It's like: take some time with your frickin' kid. And take some time with the partner in your life who brought the kid into the world. And that actually is part of being a man. That is part of being a full human being and a caring person.
+1
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Pretty much sums up my view, via Chris Hayes.
] there is this kind of macho culture in which fatherhood is this kind of remote sort of undertaking. Where the domestic sphere belongs to the woman, maternity is the kind of key relationship with the child and the mother, the father is a distant person. And you heard in Boomer's comments: 'this is how we're making our money.' The father's out providing, the mother's at the home caretaking, and I'm sorry, but it's crap. It's crap. It's Neanderthalish, ridiculous confines of this patriarchal view of what the relationship is between the genders and it's incredibly imprisoning for men. This is the thing that just drives me crazy about this. It's like: take some time with your frickin' kid. And take some time with the partner in your life who brought the kid into the world. And that actually is part of being a man. That is part of being a full human being and a caring person.
Great post