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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
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Well, if nothing else MU would be pretty good at floor slapping and flopping.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski-in-coaching-search-225509835-ncaab.html
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We are just all over the map, aren't we.
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If we do go the assistant route, this may be the best option
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Retweeted by Adam Zagoria
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 6m
Yahoo Sources: Duke assistant Steve Wojciechowski has emerged as a target for Marquette. http://yhoo.it/1h9Koia
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#Impact hire
#Aim high
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I think this would be a great hire.
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I'm gonna spew chunks if this happens
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I'm gonna spew chunks if this happens
You loved Buzz.....
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This hire would be flat out embarassing
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Track record of Duke assistants taking gigs is, shall we say, very mediocre.
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Track record of Duke assistants taking gigs is, shall we say, very mediocre.
Yep. Not excited about this one.
Maybe the list would be shorter if someone announced the coaches and assistants that we aren't targeting.
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Yeah, but was it hidden in a haiku?
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Fits the model of a Cords hire. Crean and O'Neill were both assistants from major college programs before MU.
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I can think of worse candidates.
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This hire would be flat out embarassing
Explain further.
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I can think of worse candidates.
Jane Fonda....Obama....
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Feels like recruiting under Buzz. An offer out to everybody.
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#Impact hire
#Aim high
The process is not working!
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Track record of Duke assistants taking gigs is, shall we say, very mediocre.
I'm not particularly pro or con Wojo, but I'm not sure the track record of Duke assistants has much to do with this. Either the guy can coach and recruit or he can't. What Quin Snyder or Bob Bender did a decade ago has zero impact on that.
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Can someone please go to the Duke boards and get their insight. I can't go on until we do. Thanks so much in advance.
(Teal it up)
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You loved Buzz.....
Relevance?
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I'm not particularly pro or con Wojo, but I'm not sure the track record of Duke assistants has much to do with this. Either the guy can coach and recruit or he can't. What Quin Snyder or Bob Bender did a decade ago has zero impact on that.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think Coach K gives a $hit about prepping his assistants. Not that he has to.
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Look at a Coach K coaching tree. Besides Brey, his assistants do not pan out. And what has Brey really done in the tournament? I think this hire would be an awful mistake
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Has DUKEInsider chimed in?
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Steve Wojciechowski has been at Duke for almost 20 years. He played for Mike Krzyzewski from 1994 to 1998 and has coached there ever since he graduated. He’s been a part of two national championships and has helped coach Team USA for the last eight years.
In short, he knows what it means to be a part of something special – and right now, what Duke’s football team is doing is special.
“I’ll tell you what, the excitement is incredible with what Coach (David) Cutcliffe and the football team have done around here in building just a terrific culture,” Wojciechowski said on The Morning Show. “The school has embraced it, the student body has embraced it and certainly we’re all proud to watch them and the job that they’ve done. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen at Duke since I’ve been at Duke, and it’s going on 20 years. The time has come. And Coach Cutcliffe and his staff have got Duke football heading in an amazing direction.”
No. 20 Duke (10-2) plays No. 1 Florida State (12-0) for the ACC Championship this Saturday. The Blue Devils are 29-point underdogs.
Of course, should Cutcliffe need any advice on how to build or maintain a program, there’s a certain basketball coach at Duke he can approach.
“Our program certainly has been very supportive of the football program,” Wojciechowski said, “but I think the school in general has made a bigger commitment to seeing and helping the football program be successful. So I think it starts at the very top.”
Wojciechowski added that Duke’s basketball team, which is ranked 10th nationally, is extremely excited for the football team.
“A lot of our guys are close to football players,” he said. “A lot of times on campuses, the guys you find yourself around the most outside of your own team are the other athletes, whether it’s the men’s or women’s sports. Our guys are really excited for what’s going on for the football team and their players.”
As for the rest of Duke’s 6,000 undergrads?
“I think they’re having the time of their life,” Wojciechowski said.
Wojciechowski said it obviously takes an incredible commitment from coaches and players to take a program from obscurity to prominence.
“You go through adversity,” he said. “You have to become tougher and stronger from both mental and physical standpoints. Our players, we’ve been able to sustain success. Hopefully it’s helped their friends learn how to build and create this successful movement that the football program is having.”
Wojciechowski has been on Duke’s sideline for more than 15 years. He’s had opportunities to become a head coach but has turned them down. One day, however, he won’t.
“I have had chances (to leave), and I want to be a head coach,” he said, “but I have to balance that. I have a special situation here. One, I was able to start coaching at a real young age (22). I started younger than most. I’ve had some amazing experiences at Duke. I think that’ll prepare me when the time comes when I am a head coach.
“I love Duke,” he continued. “I love working for Coach K. But I also want to have my own program. When the time’s right, I’ll know it. And it’ll be right for me. It’ll be right for my wife and my kids. And hopefully when that time comes, I’ll be ready to build my own program that’s similar to the one we have here in terms of having high-character kids – guys who, when they step between the lines, play as hard as they possibly can for each other.
“There’s a few times I’ve been (close to leaving). I think that time is approaching.”
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Steve Wojciechowski
December 5, 2013
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UNC fans can't stop laughing...
Joke is that wojo didn't even know he was a candidate ...k faxed in his resume...
I hate that we are being laughed at in this search
This would be a terrible hire...
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It took Tommy Amaker until his third job before he finally found success. MU must not want Howland to be floating all these other candidates out there.
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For all the people bashing Duke Assistants who have left to take HC positions I don't quite follow. Especially since I don't think many people have left Duke to take over at a program that is anywhere comparable to Marquette.
Tommy Amaker was unimpressive at Michigan and Seton Hall but has done a great job at Harvard.
Mike Brey has been consistent at ND
Johnny Dawkins hasn't been a flop at Stanford
Quin Snyder - Arguably the worst head coach to leave Duke
I think given what Marquette has to offer and the commitment to basketball that WOJO could be successful here. Not my top choice, but I think everyone who is freaking out about this possibly happening is crazy. WOJO is a much better candidate now than Buzz was when he was hired.
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This hire would be flat out embarassing
Im with you on that..this would suck!
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UNC fans can't stop laughing...
Joke is that wojo didn't even know he was a candidate ...k faxed in his resume...
I hate that we are being laughed at in this search
This would be a terrible hire...
This would be embarrassing!
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Ugh. My high school coach was pretty good. Add him to the list.
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Is this sarcasm? Your best superlative is 'consistent' followed by 'third times a charm'
For all the people bashing Duke Assistants who have left to take HC positions I don't quite follow. Especially since I don't think many people have left Duke to take over at a program that is anywhere comparable to Marquette.
Tommy Amaker was unimpressive at Michigan and Seton Hall but has done a great job at Harvard.
Mike Brey has been consistent at ND
Johnny Dawkins hasn't been a flop at Stanford
Quin Snyder - Arguably the worst head coach to leave Duke
I think given what Marquette has to offer and the commitment to basketball that WOJO could be successful here. Not my top choice, but I think everyone who is freaking out about this possibly happening is crazy. WOJO is a much better candidate now than Buzz was when he was hired.
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We are just all over the map, aren't we.
Hopefully. We should be interviewing several top assistants.
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It took Tommy Amaker until his third job before he finally found success. MU must not want Howland to be floating all these other candidates out there.
Actually, Amaker did well at his first job, given the mess he took over at Seton Hall, and landed some great talent there.
Then he got in over his head at Michigan.
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UNC fans can't stop laughing...
Joke is that wojo didn't even know he was a candidate ...k faxed in his resume...
I hate that we are being laughed at in this search
This would be a terrible hire...
MU should totes operate their coaching search based on what UNC people think.
Cause, you know, Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty.
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This sucks. Should have known better than to get my hopes up. Not a stepping stone school my ass, actions speak louder than words.
This guy will either fail and be gone in 4 years or have success and be gone in 5. Probably back to Duke.
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From InsideCarolina
"RE: Dook losing their big man coach to Marq?
You would think by now after watching nearly all of K's assistants fail at big programs "
"RE: Dook losing their big man coach to Marq?
Feel sorry for Marquette if this is true. Really sorry."
At least they consider us a big program....
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I"ll rather have Nate James
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MU should totes operate their coaching search based on what UNC people think.
Cause, you know, Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty.
Guthridge was a move forced by Dean....Doh hire proved that great player doesn't equal great coach...both were hired by former AD who did what Dean told him to do....alums stepped in to get Roy
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Steve Wojciechowski has been at Duke for almost 20 years. He played for Mike Krzyzewski from 1994 to 1998 and has coached there ever since he graduated. He’s been a part of two national championships and has helped coach Team USA for the last eight years.
In short, he knows what it means to be a part of something special – and right now, what Duke’s football team is doing is special.
“I’ll tell you what, the excitement is incredible with what Coach (David) Cutcliffe and the football team have done around here in building just a terrific culture,” Wojciechowski said on The Morning Show. “The school has embraced it, the student body has embraced it and certainly we’re all proud to watch them and the job that they’ve done. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen at Duke since I’ve been at Duke, and it’s going on 20 years. The time has come. And Coach Cutcliffe and his staff have got Duke football heading in an amazing direction.”
No. 20 Duke (10-2) plays No. 1 Florida State (12-0) for the ACC Championship this Saturday. The Blue Devils are 29-point underdogs.
Of course, should Cutcliffe need any advice on how to build or maintain a program, there’s a certain basketball coach at Duke he can approach.
“Our program certainly has been very supportive of the football program,” Wojciechowski said, “but I think the school in general has made a bigger commitment to seeing and helping the football program be successful. So I think it starts at the very top.”
Wojciechowski added that Duke’s basketball team, which is ranked 10th nationally, is extremely excited for the football team.
“A lot of our guys are close to football players,” he said. “A lot of times on campuses, the guys you find yourself around the most outside of your own team are the other athletes, whether it’s the men’s or women’s sports. Our guys are really excited for what’s going on for the football team and their players.”
As for the rest of Duke’s 6,000 undergrads?
“I think they’re having the time of their life,” Wojciechowski said.
Wojciechowski said it obviously takes an incredible commitment from coaches and players to take a program from obscurity to prominence.
“You go through adversity,” he said. “You have to become tougher and stronger from both mental and physical standpoints. Our players, we’ve been able to sustain success. Hopefully it’s helped their friends learn how to build and create this successful movement that the football program is having.”
Wojciechowski has been on Duke’s sideline for more than 15 years. He’s had opportunities to become a head coach but has turned them down. One day, however, he won’t.
“I have had chances (to leave), and I want to be a head coach,” he said, “but I have to balance that. I have a special situation here. One, I was able to start coaching at a real young age (22). I started younger than most. I’ve had some amazing experiences at Duke. I think that’ll prepare me when the time comes when I am a head coach.
“I love Duke,” he continued. “I love working for Coach K. But I also want to have my own program. When the time’s right, I’ll know it. And it’ll be right for me. It’ll be right for my wife and my kids. And hopefully when that time comes, I’ll be ready to build my own program that’s similar to the one we have here in terms of having high-character kids – guys who, when they step between the lines, play as hard as they possibly can for each other.
“There’s a few times I’ve been (close to leaving). I think that time is approaching.”
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Steve Wojciechowski
December 5, 2013
Wojo - Seems to me that he'll wait until Coach K retires. 5+ years to go buddy!!!
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God no...hire howland already and get us out of this miserable March.
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Was Shaka a smokescreen for Wojo???
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For all the people bashing Duke Assistants who have left to take HC positions I don't quite follow. Especially since I don't think many people have left Duke to take over at a program that is anywhere comparable to Marquette.
Tommy Amaker was unimpressive at Michigan and Seton Hall but has done a great job at Harvard.
Mike Brey has been consistent at ND
Johnny Dawkins hasn't been a flop at Stanford
Quin Snyder - Arguably the worst head coach to leave Duke
I think given what Marquette has to offer and the commitment to basketball that WOJO could be successful here. Not my top choice, but I think everyone who is freaking out about this possibly happening is crazy. WOJO is a much better candidate now than Buzz was when he was hired.
So let me summarize what you told us: it took one guy 3 times to get it right, but its a team in the ivy league. One guy is "consistent" (great!), and the other guy "hasnt been a flop." It's not bashing if the complaint or the "bashing" has complete factual basis that Duke assistants dont get the job done. Come back with a stronger argument than these 3 guys and maybe I'll listen
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It took Tommy Amaker until his third job before he finally found success. MU must not want Howland to be floating all these other candidates out there.
Makes complete sense, Howland is a winner but someone doesn't like him? Hopefully that is not the reason. If we hire another assistant or second stringer I am going to look for some old Al tapes to fill the season. This is getting completely out of hand. It appears MU needs leadership.
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This must be our prep to feel good about Wardle.
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K dropped the "five more years" line this week...needs Wojo to fly the coop, if Wojo succeeds he can at least get in the running for his successor. He's got as much name recognition as any assistant, suppose it's worth an interview and based on where it seems we are with the search who knows. Not an impact hire, but I think that potential has already passed.
Guess the strategy for this search is to keep our name in the news by floating a different candidate every day, and see which candidates can embarrass us the most by mere mention, or with the double whammy of turning us down too.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10699928/marquette-golden-eagles-target-steve-wojciechowski-coaching-job
Still says Howland is "extremely interested". Lets see if we can get a few more assistants or below average coaches to turn us down instead. Quick, let's read that SI story and introduce some poor arguments about him being too old or not able to recruit here or having baggage...I think the best argument is that our leadership would be too threatened to give the keys to an accomplished coach and back away while he goes to work.
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This must be our prep to feel good about Wardle.
We need to bottom out somewhere .....
Enjoy the ride? That seems to be said a lot around here.
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From InsideCarolina
"RE: Dook losing their big man coach to Marq?
You would think by now after watching nearly all of K's assistants fail at big programs "
"RE: Dook losing their big man coach to Marq?
Feel sorry for Marquette if this is true. Really sorry."
At least they consider us a big program....
I have no opinion about Wojo either way.
But posting this is like asking the democrats what they think about the republican candidate.
Useless info
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'Last July ESPN.com ranked Wojciechowski as the nation’s 17th best recruiting assistant coaches, noting “he’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, JJ Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.”
http://painttouches.com/2014/03/30/yahoo-marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski/
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K dropped the "five more years" line this week...needs Wojo to fly the coop, if Wojo succeeds he can at least get in the running for his successor. He's got as much name recognition as any assistant, suppose it's worth an interview and based on where it seems we are with the search who knows. Not an impact hire, but I think that potential has already passed.
Guess the strategy for this search is to keep our name in the news by floating a different candidate every day, and see which candidates can embarrass us the most by mere mention, or with the double whammy of turning us down too.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10699928/marquette-golden-eagles-target-steve-wojciechowski-coaching-job
Still says Howland is "extremely interested". Lets see if we can get a few more assistants or below average coaches to turn us down instead. Quick, let's read that SI story and introduce some poor arguments about him being too old or not able to recruit here or having baggage...I think the best argument is that our leadership would be too threatened to give the keys to an accomplished coach and back away while he goes to work.
Could not say it better. Are we afraid to be a winner or just do not have a clue how to get there?
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'Last July ESPN.com ranked Wojciechowski as the nation’s 17th best recruiting assistant coaches, noting “he’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, JJ Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.”
http://painttouches.com/2014/03/30/yahoo-marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski/
Great when he gets a head coaching job and demonstrates he is a top tier pay him and bring him in. Until then go with a proven commodity. I am simply tired of on the job training at MU.
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So let me summarize what you told us: it took one guy 3 times to get it right, but its a team in the ivy league. One guy is "consistent" (great!), and the other guy "hasnt been a flop." It's not bashing if the complaint or the "bashing" has complete factual basis that Duke assistants dont get the job done. Come back with a stronger argument than these 3 guys and maybe I'll listen
You know coaching tree stuff is nonsense, right?
Mike Holmgren and Bruce Coslet come from the same coaching tree.
Coach K and Mike Davis come from the same coaching tree.
Roy Williams and Matt Doherty come from the same coaching tree.
Charlie Weis and Nick Saban come from the same coaching tree.
Need more examples?
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For all the people bashing Duke Assistants who have left to take HC positions I don't quite follow. Especially since I don't think many people have left Duke to take over at a program that is anywhere comparable to Marquette.
Tommy Amaker was unimpressive at Michigan and Seton Hall but has done a great job at Harvard.
Mike Brey has been consistent at ND
Johnny Dawkins hasn't been a flop at Stanford
Quin Snyder - Arguably the worst head coach to leave Duke
I think given what Marquette has to offer and the commitment to basketball that WOJO could be successful here. Not my top choice, but I think everyone who is freaking out about this possibly happening is crazy. WOJO is a much better candidate now than Buzz was when he was hired.
Dawkins has been at Stanford for 6 years, this is his first NCAA tournament. Three years he failed to even make the NIT. He didn't take over program in the dumper either. He took over a program that went to the Sweet 16 the year prior and had gone to the NCAAs almost every year since 1995...they were an incredible program.
1995 NCAA
1996 NCAA
1997 NCAA
1998 NCAA
1999 NCAA
2000 NCAA
2001 NCAA
2002 NCAA
2003 NCAA
2004 NCAA
2005 NCAA
2006 missed
2007 NCAA
2008 NCAA
2009 missed Dawkins first year
2010 missed Dawkins
2011 missed Dawkins
2012 missed Dawkins
2013 missed Dawkins
2014 NCAA Dawkins first
Snyder = joke
Amaker = nothing against him, he's done ok but not what folks thought. Harvard is probably a good fit for him.
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Makes complete sense, Howland is a winner but someone doesn't like him? Hopefully that is not the reason. If we hire another assistant or second stringer I am going to look for some old Al tapes to fill the season. This is getting completely out of hand. It appears MU needs leadership.
It was brought up in another thread that Dick Strong does not want him.
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You know coaching tree stuff is nonsense, right?
Mike Holmgren and Bruce Coslet come from the same coaching tree.
Coach K and Mike Davis come from the same coaching tree.
Roy Williams and Matt Doherty come from the same coaching tree.
Charlie Weis and Nick Saban come from the same coaching tree.
Need more examples?
All it means is that you came from a successful program. Success doesn't always breed success.
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'Last July ESPN.com ranked Wojciechowski as the nation’s 17th best recruiting assistant coaches, noting “he’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, JJ Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.”
http://painttouches.com/2014/03/30/yahoo-marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski/
When you are a recruiting assistant at Duke University, shouldn't you be a little higher than 17th? Shouldn't you be top 10 at a minimum and maybe top 5?
It's Duke for crying out loud.
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You know coaching tree stuff is nonsense, right?
Mike Holmgren and Bruce Coslet come from the same coaching tree.
Coach K and Mike Davis come from the same coaching tree.
Roy Williams and Matt Doherty come from the same coaching tree.
Charlie Weis and Nick Saban come from the same coaching tree.
Need more examples?
I'll take your word that those are all true, but Im specifically talking about the Coach K tree. There is no one outsides Brey that is somewhat impressive.
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'Last July ESPN.com ranked Wojciechowski as the nation’s 17th best recruiting assistant coaches, noting “he’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, JJ Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.”
http://painttouches.com/2014/03/30/yahoo-marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski/
17th best...awesome.
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'Last July ESPN.com ranked Wojciechowski as the nation’s 17th best recruiting assistant coaches, noting “he’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, JJ Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.”
http://painttouches.com/2014/03/30/yahoo-marquette-targeting-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski/
If he is 17th best then lets interview 1 thru 16 as well. Not that hard to recruit to Duke they basically pick who they want
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I'll take your word that those are all true, but Im specifically talking about the Coach K tree. There is no one outsides Brey that is somewhat impressive.
You're missing the point.
What Quin Snyder or Mike Brey or Johnny Dawkins or any other Duke assistant accomplished as a head coach has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on Wojo's future success/lack of success as a head coach. None. Zero. Zilch.
He'll rise or fall on his own merits. It's borderline retarded to suggest what Bob Bender did at Washington and Quin Snyder did at Mizzou a decade ago has some bearing on the futures of Chris Collins or Steve Wojciechowski.
Some of you guys get caught up in such irrelevant bull----. Six years ago, it was "the process," as if MU's failure to follow some proscribed process in hiring Brent had anything to do with whether or not he could coach and recruit.
Now it's the "coaching tree," as if what some other former Duke guy did at another school in 2004 has any effect on Wojo could do at Marquette today.
Ugh.
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When you are a recruiting assistant at Duke University, shouldn't you be a little higher than 17th? Shouldn't you be top 10 at a minimum and maybe top 5?
It's Duke for crying out loud.
Maybe that has something to do with the ranking. I think most of the people in that poll are thinking "It's Duke, how hard can it be?"
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Was Shaka a smokescreen for Wojo???
Okay now that was funny
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Does the floating of the Wojo's name mean Cuonzo is no longer being considered?
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I wouldn't be horrified if he came over as an assistant, but that's the nicest thing I can say.
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The million dollar question is:
Can Wojo recruit? Im pretty sure he can coach from being under Coach K so many years...
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I'd rather have Wardle.
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It was brought up in another thread that Dick Strong does not want him.
I saw that.
I do not know Dick Strong and if he has a proven winner, better than Howland, let's get him. If he doesn't he has the money and the power to choose. I also accept that he likely has veto power.
I have no influence but I have choices too, so back to my old Al tapes. I can accept losing when you try your best but I will not watch a team go down hill because of lack of support from MU. It was painful enough to watch Buzz's coaching this year. Do we really want to throw the dice and hope for the best? Everyone has a choice. I may be the only one but I will not watch a program self destruct. My time is too valuable to be frustrated by a team hamstrung by an untested coach. I just don't get it, we miss SS and what, we go tier two?
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You're missing the point.
What Quin Snyder or Mike Brey or Johnny Dawkins or any other Duke assistant accomplished as a head coach has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on Wojo's future success/lack of success as a head coach. None. Zero. Zilch.
He'll rise or fall on his own merits. It's borderline retarded to suggest what Bob Bender did at Washington and Quin Snyder did at Mizzou a decade ago has some bearing on the futures of Chris Collins or Steve Wojciechowski.
Some of you guys get caught up in such irrelevant bull----. Six years ago, it was "the process," as if MU's failure to follow some proscribed process in hiring Brent had anything to do with whether or not he could coach and recruit.
Now it's the "coaching tree," as if what some other former Duke guy did at another school in 2004 has any effect on Wojo could do at Marquette today.
Ugh.
I don't disagree with your premise, each individual of course is on their own. However, I don't think we can escape the fact the whole reason he would be targeted in the first place is because he is at Duke. It's not like he is the assistant at UC Irvine and is targeted because he is a great assistant. He's at Duke, and the expectations that come with it. So its only natural (perhaps unfair as you point out) that they will be judged by some on how they do outside the Duke bubble.
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It cannot possibly be Wojo... Keefe will not be able to hide "Steve Wojciechowski" in a haiku or any other verse...so he has to be out.
That's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
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I don't want this pretty boy at Marquette!
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I don't want this pretty boy at Marquette!
Kieth Hernadez?
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Wojo would be a TERRIBLE choice and, yes, embarrassing. Not for any reason than it shows how little thought was put into this search. First of all, hiring Wojo would immediately eliminate us from all Chicago recruits also being targeted by Chris Collins. Chris Collins knows Chicago, was mr. Basketball in Illinois and is a media darling, due to his success and that of his father.
Wojo is really nobody. Sure, Dick Vitale licked his nut sack as a player, but he's a guy without an ounce of charisma and no name recognition in Illinois or Wisconsin. This guy is a Duke legend. That's it. How the hell we would even consider this guy is mind blowing.
He'd be a step down from Mike Deane. He's not in the same league as even Crean and could carry Buzz Williams' sweat stained sport coat.
Atrocious idea! Worse than anything else I've heard.
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A friend of mine floated Wojo's name a week ago as a joke to get a rise out of this board....and now there are real articles stating that MU is interested in him. Geez, I hope MU does not hire Wojo.
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Kieth Hernadez?
I didn't actually type "pretty boy."
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I don't want this pretty boy at Marquette!
So your worry with a new coach is the way he looks? Let me email Cords to make sure he takes that into consideration.
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Who the heck is Kieth Hernadez?
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So your worry with a new coach is the way he looks? Let me email Cords to make sure he takes that into consideration.
After TC and Brent, it's time for a coach who won't scare the ladies.
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From where I'm sitting, this smacks of Lovell liking Wojo for whatever reason, and being locked in him. Just one man's opinion.
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After TC and Brent, it's time for a coach who won't scare the ladies.
Buzz always called Shemp whenever he needed a wingman.
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From where I'm sitting, this smacks of Lovell liking Wojo for whatever reason, and being locked in him. Just one man's opinion.
OK, I'll bite - why do you think that is the case?
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Perhaps we were a bit hasty on that Bruce Weber thing. He still available?
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OK, I'll bite - why do you think that is the case?
Love to say I have a reason...was just my initial reaction. Had to come from somewhere. If Wilde and Cords were looking at The likes of Smart and Howland, even, Cuonzo, and now were talking Wojo?
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Who the heck is Kieth Hernadez?
Mets baseball player in the 1980s, Seinfeld joke.
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Mets baseball player in the 1980s, Seinfeld joke.
Didn't you drive him to the airport?
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Who the heck is Kieth Hernadez?
Played for NY Mets. Knows nothing about basketball but, why not? I hear he knows someone who went to Duke.
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Love to say I have a reason...was just my initial reaction. Had to come from somewhere. If Wilde and Cords were looking at Smart and Howland, even, Vuonzo, and now were talking Wojo?
Showing interest doesn't mean he's the next coach. I believe the searchers are doing their job. Like when you buy a house you also look at more expensive ones. Just to be certain of value. And you look at the lesser houses too to be certain you've done a thorough review.
I'm not worried. Actually, I'm somewhat glad it's taking, gasp, at least one week. We need to be diligent!!!!!
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I'm only 33% joking.
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So he says time to leave Duke is approaching since Coach K is staying 5 more years...so get hired by Marquette and leave for Duke in 5 years...unbelievable.
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A friend of mine floated Wojo's name a week ago as a joke to get a rise out of this board....and now there are real articles stating that MU is interested in him. Geez, I hope MU does not hire Wojo.
So your friend is the SOURCE!
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So he says time to leave Duke is approaching since Coach K is staying 5 more years...so get hired by Marquette and leave for Duke in 5 years...unbelievable.
Thats why im totally against hiring "top" assistants!
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Mets baseball player in the 1980s, Seinfeld joke.
I knew who Keith Hernandez is - a cokehead who played for the Cards and Mets. I think he won championships with both, if I recall correctly.
I just wasn't sure about Kieth Hernadez
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Doc's son played for Wojo. It's not a coincidence MU has talked to him.
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When you are a recruiting assistant at Duke University, shouldn't you be a little higher than 17th? Shouldn't you be top 10 at a minimum and maybe top 5?
It's Duke for crying out loud.
If UCLA supposedly recruits itself, couldn't the same be said of Duke?
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I've been an RTPer...actually I haven't, but I'm totally cool with this taking some time. However, at this point, I am of the opinion its time to end the madness and figure it out. Brings me back to a question I asked a week or so ago...does the admin still view basketball as the same valuable asset they once did? If the answer is no, that's cool, I have plenty of other things to do. If the answer is yes, time to up the game and make something happen.
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Maybe this is just a well placed leak to make the cuonzo Martin announcement look better to everyone.
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If UCLA supposedly recruits itself, couldn't the same be said of Duke?
Sure but let's not get logic in the way. 17th sounds like a Pitino or Cal in the making. Thought we were looking for top tier. Guess my definition and MU's are different. It will be time to move if this is a flop.
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When you are a recruiting assistant at Duke University, shouldn't you be a little higher than 17th? Shouldn't you be top 10 at a minimum and maybe top 5?
It's Duke for crying out loud.
Great point. Just what I was thinking. And why do we have to be his trial job before he jets back to Duke. Or if he sucks we have to start over. Would rather have Martin even though I don't want him either.
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Not a Duke Choir Boy
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If UCLA supposedly recruits itself, couldn't the same be said of Duke?
yup
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I could get on board with Wojo to MU, even if he is a Pole.
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Such a crap shoot with Wojo...I will say when it was Wojo and K on staff and no Nate James, Capel on staff, it was traditional city for a period of 5 years there.
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You're missing the point.
What Quin Snyder or Mike Brey or Johnny Dawkins or any other Duke assistant accomplished as a head coach has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on Wojo's future success/lack of success as a head coach. None. Zero. Zilch.
He'll rise or fall on his own merits. It's borderline retarded to suggest what Bob Bender did at Washington and Quin Snyder did at Mizzou a decade ago has some bearing on the futures of Chris Collins or Steve Wojciechowski.
Some of you guys get caught up in such irrelevant bull----. Six years ago, it was "the process," as if MU's failure to follow some proscribed process in hiring Brent had anything to do with whether or not he could coach and recruit.
Now it's the "coaching tree," as if what some other former Duke guy did at another school in 2004 has any effect on Wojo could do at Marquette today.
Ugh.
Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.
And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is.
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Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.
And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is, and it's incredibly offensive.
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I believe Wojo is or was in MKE. He has also been contacted by Cal.
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Not sure i follow. Obvious your a Carolina fan but you said FACT? Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, and Brey have all been successful and not failures. Jeff Capel has winning pct over 65 pct. Have they been coach k? No! But time will tell. If you want to see failure look at Jason capel, buzz Peterson etc. Marquette could do worse than a assistant to coach K
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Maybe there's some sort of coaches clinic in Milwaukee this weekend. Seems like there's as many guys here, as there will be in Dallas next week.
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Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.
And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is.
I'm sorry if you're offended by my word choice.
That out of the way, excellent straw man post. Nobody suggested a head coach has no influence over his assistants. Nobody said anything close to that.
Rather, I'm pointing out the stupidity (offensive?) of trying to link Wojo's fate as a head coach - wherever that may be - to that of Quin Snyder, Mike Brey or whoever else you want to name. Every coach, every situation is different. Quin Snyder didn't flame out at Mizzou because he was a Duke assistant, he flamed out at Mizzou because he had dubious ethics and brought in kids of questionable character, then let them run the asylum. Mike Brey has been just decent not because he coached under Coach K, but because he's in charge of a program that strives for nothing more than to be just decent, and he's OK with that.
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Not sure i follow. Obvious your a Carolina fan but you said FACT? Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, and Brey have all been successful and not failures. Jeff Capel has winning pct over 65 pct. Have they been coach k? No! But time will tell. If you want to see failure look at Jason capel, buzz Peterson etc. Marquette could do worse than a assistant to coach K
Snyder? What are you talking about.
Dawkins, took over a program that went to the NCAAs 13 of the previous 14 years and managed to miss the NCAAs 5 straight years.
Amaker....maybe.
Brey, yes.
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Snyder? What are you talking about.
Dawkins, took over a program that went to the NCAAs 13 of the previous 14 years and managed to miss the NCAAs 5 straight years.
Amaker....maybe.
Brey, yes.
snyder had a good run at Missouri. He got in some recruiting trouble but had a good record.
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snyder had a good run at Missouri. He got in some recruiting trouble but had a good record.
Yes, got in some recruiting trouble. He resigned and hasn't coached in DI since, instead opting for the NBA and other teams.
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Well, you know what they say -
When you can hire an assistant over a three-time final four coach that wants to be here....you GOTTA take the assistant.
#impacthire
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the most successful coach from that tree is probably brey? i wouldn't want him at mu.
i hate all things duke, so i have a bias, but at this point wojo can only dream to make an elite 8 someday. martin's done it. i'm not sure wojo could even compete with collins in the midwest. he's been sitting at duke for a while for a reason.
have i mentioned i'd like howland?
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I don't understand if Howland really wants the job and Danny Manning might (key word) be interested if only someone called him, how we fall all the way down to Wojo. This may turn out to be a good hire, but it is nowhere near an impact hire.
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Wojo is one of the top if not the top assistant in the nation. The main is considered a top recruiter and has spent the last 20 years learning from arguably the best coach in the business.
WHY THE HELL ARE WE COMPLAINING?
Seriously, someone explain this to me. Is he some pariah that I am not aware of? Trust me, I would have loved Shaka Smart but he's not walking through that door. I don't see a better option than Wojo.
This is a great hire for Marquette and will raise our program to new heights. I bet he manages to keep all of our players and 3/4 of next year's recruits.
I'm pretty sure after Smart fell through, no hire was going to make this group happy.
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Wojo is one of the top if not the top assistant in the nation. The main is considered a top recruiter and has spent the last 20 years learning from arguably the best coach in the business.
WHY THE HELL ARE WE COMPLAINING?
Seriously, someone explain this to me. Is he some pariah that I am not aware of? Trust me, I would have loved Shaka Smart but he's not walking through that door. I don't see a better option than Wojo.
This is a great hire for Marquette and will raise our program to new heights. I bet he manages to keep all of our players and 3/4 of next year's recruits.
I'm pretty sure after Smart fell through, no hire was going to make this group happy.
TAMU, my concern is that when you are at DUKE things are just a lot easier. You select, you don't recruit. It's a bubble. He, in particular, has NEVER been outside of that bubble which is concerning.
Now, someone can say UCLA is like that as well. To a large extent they are correct, though Howland proved it at Pitt and Northern Arizona as well. I'm not saying Howland is the guy, but if I had the choice between the two it would be Howland.
Wojo loses recruits to Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Louisville. How frustrated is he going to be when he loses recruits to Iowa State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, St. John's, etc?
I worry that he's been in that bubble way too long.
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Looks like Wojo is the second choice. If TN wants to keep Martin then we get Wojo.
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By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.
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I don't understand if Howland really wants the job and Danny Manning might (key word) be interested if only someone called him, how we fall all the way down to Wojo. This may turn out to be a good hire, but it is nowhere near an impact hire.
I don't get the obsession with an "impact hire." It's almost as if some of us are so stung by Brent leaving that we're more concerned with the validation of hiring a name coach than we are with getting the right guy.
I've gone on record as saying I'd be happy with Howland, but I also can see why he's not the slam dunk hire some seem to think he is. His run at UCLA ended very badly, not just failing to meet expectations on the court, but numerous off court issues and the highly questionable recruiting saga of Shabazz Muhammed. It's not unreasonable for the administration having some concerns there and at least consider alternatives.
Six years ago, the "impact hires" would have been Trent Johnson leaving Stanford for LSU (run out of town after four years); Tom Crean leaving Marquette for Indiana (mixed results, in a tenuous spot without a deep run next year); OSU hiring Travis Ford from UMass (on the hot seat); Cal landing Mike Montgomery after his disastrous NBA run (solid hire, but about to retire); and Providence hiring reigning Coach of the Year Keno Davis from Drake (fired after three seasons).
Some of these guys - Keno and Ford in particular - were being begged for by Scoopers.
In the meantime, along with Montgomery, the best hires that year were assistants Buzz Williams (Marquette), Geno Ford (Kent) and Cuonzo Martin (Missouri State).
Let's be more worried about getting the right guy than the guy who's name is going to be most recognizable on SportsCenter.
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By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.
What are your sources for your last two posts?
Or are you the source?
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By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.
Yup.
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By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.
Not out of the picture. Just put on the back burner
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TAMU, my concern is that when you are at DUKE things are just a lot easier. You select, you don't recruit. It's a bubble. He, in particular, has NEVER been outside of that bubble which is concerning.
Now, someone can say UCLA is like that as well. To a large extent they are correct, though Howland proved it at Pitt and Northern Arizona as well. I'm not saying Howland is the guy, but if I had the choice between the two it would be Howland.
Wojo loses recruits to Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Louisville. How frustrated is he going to be when he loses recruits to Iowa State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, St. John's, etc?
I worry that he's been in that bubble way too long.
Those are all fair points and inspire debate and discussion. But the comments like "I'd rather have clahmydia" etc just pis me off.
Whoever we hire, I will welcome with open arms.
And while I see your points, I see the opposite. If you are used to battling Kentucky, UNC, Louisville, etc and winning, then imagine what you can do when you are battling Iowa State, Wisconsin, etc.
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What are your sources for your last two posts?
Or are you the source?
I posted the link in another thread
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I posted the link in another thread
I looked through your past posts. No links posted that mention Howland being out of the picture. Please clarify.
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I posted the link in another thread
That link doesn't say Howland is out of the picture, nor does it say it's Martin's job if he wants it. It says MU is talking with Martin, something we've known would occur for some time now.
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Let's be more worried about getting the right guy than the guy who's name is going to be most recognizable on SportsCenter.
Agreed, but let's create an addendum that states: New coach should be able to solidify in-state recruiting efforts and be able to keep those top 100 in-state recruits @ MU. In other words, get the Dynamic Dominican Duo of Diamond Stone and Kostas Antetokounmpo to sign @ MU. I don't care who it is anymore. If the person they get can do that, I"m on board 100%, even if I have sandbagged them in the past.
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Agreed, but let's create an addendum that states: New coach should be able to solidify in-state recruiting efforts and be able to keep those top 100 in-state recruits @ MU. In other words, get the Dynamic Dominican Duo of Diamond Stone and Kostas Antetokounmpo to sign @ MU. I don't care who it is anymore. If the person they get can do that, I"m on board 100%, even if I have sandbagged them in the past.
I agree that their ability to recruit should be a major factor. I think Wojo has plenty of experience reeling in guys like Stone and Ante...holy crap that's a lot of letters...mpo. Marquette isn't Duke but I think Wojo understands how these kids' minds work
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TAMU, my concern is that when you are at DUKE things are just a lot easier. You select, you don't recruit. It's a bubble. He, in particular, has NEVER been outside of that bubble which is concerning.
This just isn't true. Quite the opposite ... Duke goes against the best recruiters from the best schools - Kentucky, UNC, Florida, Kansas, Arizona, Syracuse, etc. - for the top talent in the country. Recruiting battles with Bo Ryan and John Groce should be a piece of cake compared to Bill Self, Billy Donovan and John Calipari.
And while the coaching ability of other Duke assistants can be questioned, most of them were very good recruiters as head coaches. Amaker landed McDonald's AAs at Seton Hall. Capel landed four of them at Oklahoma. Brey has landed four McDonald's AAs at Notre Dame. Snyder landed a bunch of top 50 players (and one Burger Boy) at Mizzou. Chris Collins' first class at Northwestern includes a top 100 kid.
Is the Duke bubble a soft bubble? ;)
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This just isn't true. Quite the opposite ... Duke goes against the best recruiters from the best schools - Kentucky, UNC, Florida, Kansas, Arizona, Syracuse, etc. - for the top talent in the country. Recruiting battles with Bo Ryan and John Groce should be a piece of cake compared to Bill Self, Billy Donovan and John Calipari.
And while the coaching ability of other Duke assistants can be questioned, most of them were very good recruiters as head coaches. Amaker landed McDonald's AAs at Seton Hall. Capel landed four of them at Oklahoma. Brey has landed four McDonald's AAs at Notre Dame. Snyder landed a bunch of top 50 players (and one Burger Boy) at Mizzou. Chris Collins' first class at Northwestern includes a top 100 kid.
Is the Duke bubble a soft bubble? ;)
Based on Duke's recruiting and their recent NCAA tourney debacles, I'm quite skeptical. For all of the top 10 classes they recruit, they sure as hell haven't had equivalent success in the tournament.
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Based on Duke's recruiting and their recent NCAA tourney debacles, I'm quite skeptical. For all of the top 10 classes they recruit, they sure as hell haven't had equivalent success in the tournament.
Didn't they win the tournament 4 years ago?
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Didn't they win the tournament 4 years ago?
2010–11 Mike Krzyzewski 32–5 13–3 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2011–12 Mike Krzyzewski 27-7 13-3 2nd NCAA Round of 64
2012–13 Mike Krzyzewski 30-6 14-4 2nd NCAA Elite Eight
2013–14 Mike Krzyzewski 26-8 13-5 3rd NCAA Round of 64
My point is that..... Wojo isn't going to have the same level of success. With the amount of top talent Duke gets..... They should be elite 8 consistently. They've been knocked out in the first round 2 out the last 4 years.
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This just isn't true. Quite the opposite ... Duke goes against the best recruiters from the best schools - Kentucky, UNC, Florida, Kansas, Arizona, Syracuse, etc. - for the top talent in the country. Recruiting battles with Bo Ryan and John Groce should be a piece of cake compared to Bill Self, Billy Donovan and John Calipari.
And while the coaching ability of other Duke assistants can be questioned, most of them were very good recruiters as head coaches. Amaker landed McDonald's AAs at Seton Hall. Capel landed four of them at Oklahoma. Brey has landed four McDonald's AAs at Notre Dame. Snyder landed a bunch of top 50 players (and one Burger Boy) at Mizzou. Chris Collins' first class at Northwestern includes a top 100 kid.
Is the Duke bubble a soft bubble? ;)
Duke day in and day out is recruiting for 5 star kids with some 4 stars. We'll have to agree to disagree on how much easier it is. There are only 3 to 4 spots open on a roster each year, you aren't going to get them all and when you go after kids in their backyard that has a strong appeal, of course that is tough to get them. The point remains that when Duke is interested, the athlete is going to listen to that call 99% of the time and that isn't the case at MU. It's a different world.
To put it in different terms, coaches at Duke are in a silver spoon in mouth world vs many other schools. That has nothing to do with the socio economic conditions at Duke, even if that lines up nicely as well. I'm talking about access to the best recruits in the nation and what the Duke name brings. Sure, they have to slug it out with Kentucky, UCLA and local kids in Illinois or Texas or Florida. At the end of the day, when they lose a 5 star kid to Kentucky, they land a 5 star kid of their own. They are essentially selecting and when they miss the end up with a great kid anyway.
This isn't the case at MU. Duke is in a bubble. When you have 7 five star kids targeted and all your efforts are on those 7 kids, you only land 3 of them....less than 50% but you ended up ........ all 5 star kids.
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When you are a recruiting assistant at Duke University, shouldn't you be a little higher than 17th? Shouldn't you be top 10 at a minimum and maybe top 5?
It's Duke for crying out loud.
I think you may have just answered your own question. He may not be as highly ranked because people see "DUKE" behind his name.
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Yes, got in some recruiting trouble. He resigned and hasn't coached in DI since, instead opting for the NBA and other teams.
Snyder could have been a very good coach if he didn't become a Coke addict. I still think Mizzou gets too much crap for hiring him. Was a great hire that jut didn't work out, unfortunately in a terribly embarrassing way for the university.
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Snyder could have been a very good coach if he didn't become a Coke addict. I still think Mizzou gets too much crap for hiring him. Was a great hire that jut didn't work out, unfortunately in a terribly embarrassing way for the university.
Was that what went down there? I wasn't as plugged in to college hoops at that point.
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I think you may have just answered your own question. He may not be as highly ranked because people see "DUKE" behind his name.
Maybe, but then why are some people at brands like Duke rated higher Wouldn't the same logic apply?
One site, called NextUpRecruits ranks the top 5 assistants per conference in recruiting. The number one assistant in the ACC is from Duke, so that goes counter to what you and Pakuni are stating. By the way, it isn't Wojo, it's Jeff Capel. Wojo doesn't make the top 5 in the ACC.
Wojo might be the guy, I worry he has never been anywhere else but stuck in the bubble of Duke which is different than 95% of the college basketball world. How good is he at tracking down talent that isn't there for him to select. Not that hard when you recruit at a school and the players you go after are also targeted by Florida, UCLA, Kentucky, etc....it's a given they are really good. How is his eye for talent for guys that are the next level or two levels down, kids that Duke doesn't waste their time with but MU has to.
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Maybe, but then why are some people at brands like Duke rated higher Wouldn't the same logic apply?
One site, called NextUpRecruits ranks the top 5 assistants per conference in recruiting. The number one assistant in the ACC is from Duke, so that goes counter to what you and Pakuni are stating. By the way, it isn't Wojo, it's Jeff Capel. Wojo doesn't make the top 5 in the ACC.
Wojo might be the guy, I worry he has never been anywhere else but stuck in the bubble of Duke which is different than 95% of the college basketball world. How good is he at tracking down talent that isn't there for him to select. Not that hard when you recruit at a school and the players you go after are also targeted by Florida, UCLA, Kentucky, etc....it's a given they are really good. How is his eye for talent for guys that are the next level or two levels down, kids that Duke doesn't waste their time with but MU has to.
Wait, where is this ranking? I only see the Paint Touches link...
I also think the fact that he's been there so long, some may not get the credit he deserves...but also that works vice-versa. Some may be giving him more credit that he deserves because it's Duke. It's hard to cut through the fog. If we go assistant, Stephens from MSU intrigues me more.
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http://nextuprecruits.com
On the Paint Touches comment about him being 17th, would love to know who the other 16 are.
Honestly, however, who does one even come up with these rankings, from any of these sites?
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Was that what went down there? I wasn't as plugged in to college hoops at that point.
I'm from Kansas City, so it was a HUGE scandal when it came down and took over sports talk for almost a whole season. The Ricky Clemons thing was what brought him down completely, but that wasn't all on Quin - the Mizzou President and higher-ups had a lot to do with that (literally got injured riding around in the President's ATV at his home).
And yeah, the big rumor was the Quin was on coke.
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Duke day in and day out is recruiting for 5 star kids with some 4 stars. We'll have to agree to disagree on how much easier it is. There are only 3 to 4 spots open on a roster each year, you aren't going to get them all and when you go after kids in their backyard that has a strong appeal, of course that is tough to get them. The point remains that when Duke is interested, the athlete is going to listen to that call 99% of the time and that isn't the case at MU. It's a different world.
I don't disagree with this.
However, those five-star kids that are taking Duke's phone calls are also taking phone calls from Kentucky, Kansas, Florida, Louisville, etc. Simply put, while the Duke name helps getting access to a recruit, the level of recruit they go after means the quality of competition that a Duke assistant faces on the recruiting trail is significantly better than that a Marquette assistant (or, say, a Wichita State head coach) faces.
To land Sandy Cohen, MU had to beat out Creighton, Green Bay and Minnesota.
MU's main competiton for Ahmed Hill was Mizzou. To land Malek Harris, MU beat out DePaul and Kansas State.
To land Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones, Duke had to beat Kansas and Kentucky. To land Justise Winslow, Duke had to beat Arizona and Florida. To get Grayson Allen, Duke had to beat out a homestate Florida.
So yeah, the Duke name helps a ton, but it also means they're competing for recruits at a different level than MU. (obligatory Opening Day reference) Duke assistants go up against top of the rotation starters on the recruiting trail; MU assistants face #5 guys and AAA call-ups.
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