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Title: Merger with American
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on March 30, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
Time to merge and create a football division of the Big East.  Set it up with the Big East as we know it but have a separate division consisting of UConn, Cincy, SMU, Memphis, etc with some inter division play and ceded championship.  Bylaws would be set up yo protect basketball division and control brand, etc.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 30, 2014, 04:15:57 PM
PASS

You really want to play Tulane, ECU, and Houston instead of a second game against one of our current conference counterparts? You also want to share basketball money with those jokes? You want to be stuck with the leftovers once Memphis, Temple, UConn, and Cincy get picked off for other conferences?

PASS PASS PASS
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 04:16:54 PM
Time to merge and create a football division of the Big East.  Set it up with the Big East as we know it but have a separate division consisting of UConn, Cincy, SMU, Memphis, etc with some inter division play and ceded championship.  Bylaws would be set up yo protect basketball division and control brand, etc.

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Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Benny B on March 30, 2014, 04:17:29 PM
Joseph Smith was called a prophet, dum dum dum dum dum.

And that night he saw an angel, dum dum dum dum dum.

The angel said to merge the conferences, dum dum dum dum dum.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 30, 2014, 04:18:49 PM
Amazing how many people don't understand the point of the new Big East
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: mu03eng on March 30, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Amazing how many people don't understand the point of the new Big East

Or the number of people prone to panic
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 30, 2014, 04:21:35 PM
Amazing how many people don't understand the point of the new Big East

+1

Been there, done that. We essentially kicked the football schools out.  ;D
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 04:24:36 PM
+1

Been there, done that. We essentially kicked the football schools out.  ;D

Shouldn't that be in teal?  I'm sure the current Big East schools couldn't wait to kick Syracuse, Louisville and Uconn out...

...Who needs good competition?
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 30, 2014, 04:25:01 PM
+1

Been there, done that. We essentially kicked the football schools out.  ;D

That does not require a smiley face... The basketball schools did kick out the football schools and they created the AAC.

Now we want to merge because the seven seed got hot and made the FF???
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 30, 2014, 04:26:48 PM
It wasn't about competition. It was all about survival. The football schools were choking out the basketball schools.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tums Festival on March 30, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Amazing how many people don't understand the point of the new Big East

Or the number of people apparently buying Brett's BS.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 30, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
It wasn't about competition. It was all about survival. The football schools were choking out the basketball schools.

It's all about the last three weeks (best part of this post is how it pisses off Matty)
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Jet915 on March 30, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,"
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 30, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
That does not require a smiley face... The basketball schools did kick out the football schools and they created the AAC.

Now we want to merge because the seven seed got hot and made the FF???

Yes, I added the smiley face because I was proud of the basketball schools sticking up for their interests and booting out the football schools.

Sorry... Sometimes emoticons don't convey accurately. Or I suck at it.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 04:39:27 PM
It's all about the last three weeks (best part of this post is how it pisses off Matty)

You're about as clueless as they come.

Simple question.  Would any of the seven schools from the Big East that broke away have chosen to do so without the reality that football schools were leaving for the B1G and ACC?

You make it seem like the basketball schools initiated this, which is the furthest thing from the truth.  This was a move to prevent being left out in the cold and having to assimilate into CUSA and the A10.

You're delusional if you think otherwise.

And while we've established that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I'm quite a ways removed from being in the zip code of pissed off.  I'm enjoying a really good NCAAT.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: NotBuzzWilliams on March 30, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
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Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 30, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
My plan is working!

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Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on March 30, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Bill Cords and Fr. Wild are at the Jes Rez having a glass of wine and are reading MUscoop and are laughing hysterically.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: reinko on March 30, 2014, 05:01:48 PM
Time to merge and create a football division of the Big East.  Set it up with the Big East as we know it but have a separate division consisting of UConn, Cincy, SMU, Memphis, etc with some inter division play and ceded championship.  Bylaws would be set up yo protect basketball division and control brand, etc.

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Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: willie warrior on March 30, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
Bill Cords and Fr. Wild are at the Jes Rez having a glass of wine and are reading MUscoop and are laughing hysterically.
They must serve brats and beer there also, because somebody said Coach K was in town having beer and brats, so it is obvious they will meet.
Swear this board is becoming the Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: chapman on March 30, 2014, 05:16:22 PM
Time

8 month sample size.  Time for extreme measures.  Blow up the Fox deal.  How should our apology to UConn/Cincinnati/USF be issued?  I suppose a Tweet is the most sincere and legitimate source these days.  Start now, should be a "done deal" by Thursday so we can claim a member of our conference made the Final Four.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Time to merge and create a football division of the Big East.  Set it up with the Big East as we know it but have a separate division consisting of UConn, Cincy, SMU, Memphis, etc with some inter division play and ceded championship.  Bylaws would be set up yo protect basketball division and control brand, etc.

Nope.

If UCONN, Memphis, Cincinnati want to quit the AAC and drop football, fine.  Until...no thanks.

SMU has been a disaster the last 30 years except fort this year.

Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: MDMU04 on March 30, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
The simple fact that this thread exists is bewildering.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 30, 2014, 06:39:53 PM
The simple fact that this thread exists is bewildering.

Short term memory? No memory? We literally kicked out the football schools last year. How can fans forget so quickly??????

Merging with the AAC is a step backwards!!!!!!
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: MDMU04 on March 30, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
Short term memory? No memory? We literally kicked out the football schools last year. How can fans forget so quickly??????

Merging with the AAC is a step backwards!!!!!!

Wow. My post went right over your head.

The fact that a thread exists to basically undo everything we did in the last year to ensure stability of the future of this university's athletic program is bewildering.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Groin_pull on March 30, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
No. Way. No. How.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 30, 2014, 06:47:14 PM
Wow. My post went right over your head.

The fact that a thread exists to basically undo everything we did in the last year to ensure stability of the future of this university's athletic program is bewildering.

Actually, I'm completely agreeing with you. I was referring to the original poster and others that suffer from CRS - can't remember $h1t.

Breaking up with the football schools was for survival.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: MDMU04 on March 30, 2014, 07:02:08 PM
Actually, I'm completely agreeing with you. I was referring to the original poster and others that suffer from CRS - can't remember $h1t.

Breaking up with the football schools was for survival.

Sorry about that. Good minds think alike.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 30, 2014, 10:34:13 PM
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,"

at least the second time this week that quote has been used.  good lord this must be the third thread on this truly insane topic.  which reminds me of another familiar saying..."do you know the definition of insanity?   doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2014, 12:03:20 AM
Just a small note. We didn't kick out the football schools. We left. The Big East was renamed to the American Athletic Conference. We created a new conference and took the name Big East which we negotiated with the AAC.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: CAGASS24 on March 31, 2014, 08:01:34 AM
my god - and people wonder why the human race is doomed - have a freaking historical conscience people
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: bradley center bat on March 31, 2014, 08:05:58 AM
Just a small note. We didn't kick out the football schools. We left. The Big East was renamed to the American Athletic Conference. We created a new conference and took the name Big East which we negotiated with the AAC.
100% correct. I think the media forgets that.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Litehouse on March 31, 2014, 08:12:30 AM
100% correct. I think the media forgets that.
I'd prefer they do.  I think it's better for us if people consider it one continuous conference.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 31, 2014, 08:14:51 AM
Just a small note. We didn't kick out the football schools. We left. The Big East was renamed to the American Athletic Conference. We created a new conference and took the name Big East which we negotiated with the AAC.

How do you fire a partner from a partnership?   The answer is you cannot.  So everyone quits leave him alone.  Then you pay him for the name if that is important to you.

WVU started it, Cuse and Pitt piled on.  When ND announced it was leaving for the ACC it was over.  The basketball-only schools (aka Catholic 7) took matters into their own hands and kicked out the rest of the football schools by leaving.  Then they bought the BE name from them.

Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: mike_long on March 31, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
Insanity is defined as repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result.

Has everyone already forgotten what doomed the Big East? The purpose of this league was basketball, thus there are only basketball minded schools. Adding football schools to this conference would create the same scenario in the future. Can we put an end to this thought and this thread, because it's literally INSANE!
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Ahoya06 on March 31, 2014, 08:43:58 AM
It's been one year. Teams in the new conference had down year, and we still got four into the NCAA tournament. That's 40% of the conference.

MU, Butler, and Georgetown all had down years and will rebound. Villanova isn't going anywhere. Creighton may not be top of the list next year but they will compete every year, as will Xavier. St. John's and Providence are on the rise. Seton Hall has a chance to be decent. DePaul, well, they'll be the bottom feeder for a while but every conference has one. The Big East is fine.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Benny B on March 31, 2014, 08:55:18 AM
How do you fire a partner from a partnership?   The answer is you cannot.  So everyone quits leave him alone.  Then you pay him for the name if that is important to you.

WVU started it, Cuse and Pitt piled on.  When ND announced it was leaving for the ACC it was over.  The basketball-only schools (aka Catholic 7) took matters into their own hands and kicked out the rest of the football schools by leaving.  Then they bought the BE name from them.

Just a small note. We didn't kick out the football schools. We left. The Big East was renamed to the American Athletic Conference. We created a new conference and took the name Big East which we negotiated with the AAC.

Keep in mind that during a small window of time last year, the basketball schools - arguably - had the necessary votes to disband the conference and auction off its assets... however, such an action would have unquestionably been followed by more than one lawsuit, the likes of which would have languished in the courts for years and probably cost both sides millions of dollars.  The actual split was a negotiated result that kept the matter internal and everyone happy, but the C-7 held most, if not all, of the cards in charting the path that was taken.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: frozena pizza on March 31, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
1.  Merge with AAC and split the buyout money they got.
2.  Use buyout money to offer Shaka $7 mil signing bonus.
3.  Breakaway again, reclaiming Big East name and MSG tournament site.
4.  Add SLU and Dayton.
5.  Re-launch website 6 months later.
6.  Demand more money from FS1 for NBE 2.0 contract.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 31, 2014, 09:12:56 AM
1.  Merge with AAC and split the buyout money they got.
2.  Use buyout money to offer Shaka $7 mil signing bonus.
3.  Breakaway again, reclaiming Big East name and MSG tournament site.
4.  Add SLU and Dayton.
5.  Re-launch website 6 months later.
6.  Demand more money from FS1 for NBE 2.0 contract.

FS1 will tell you to go bend over
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: frozena pizza on March 31, 2014, 09:25:57 AM
I knew that one would get rise out of you.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: tweakers_suck on March 31, 2014, 09:30:10 AM
How do you fire a partner from a partnership?   The answer is you cannot.  So everyone quits leave him alone.  Then you pay him for the name if that is important to you.

WVU started it, Cuse and Pitt piled on.  When ND announced it was leaving for the ACC it was over.  The basketball-only schools (aka Catholic 7) took matters into their own hands and kicked out the rest of the football schools by leaving.  Then they bought the BE name from them.



This is spot on correct and how the real world functions. Although TAMUEagle is technically correct, we essentially kicked out football.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: mikekinsellaMVP on March 31, 2014, 09:41:44 AM
The specifics of how it happened are really beside the point.  The bigger issue is that we finally found autonomy in the age of Big Football.  Do we really want to give up a guaranteed $50 million and a home we know is secure for essentially the same league we left nine years ago and the stability issue that's haunted us for three years?  The football super-league issue isn't settled; UConn to the ACC or Big 10, Memphis and Cincy to the Big 12, USF and UCF to the SEC (unlikely) is still possible.  What do we do then?

Al went 22-30 in his first two seasons.  Perspective and patience, people.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 10:29:59 AM
Shouldn't that be in teal?  I'm sure the current Big East schools couldn't wait to kick Syracuse, Louisville and Uconn out...

...Who needs good competition?

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,"

                                                George Santayana

Oops, Jet beat me to it, at lest I got the author.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Scooter22 on March 31, 2014, 04:29:59 PM
PASS - very happy with our conference.  Give it a couple of years, will you?  We barely escaped the old Big East with our lives...
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on March 31, 2014, 04:40:50 PM
Better start supporting the Big East Tourney.  I didn't witness many of you there.  Creighton saved our butt this year with 4000 fans.  We were lucky to have a couple hundred non-east residents there.  We may have a contract with MSG but they won't think twice about booting us if attendance isn't there. 
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: MDMU04 on March 31, 2014, 05:30:50 PM
We may have a contract with MSG but they won't think twice about booting us if attendance isn't there.  

The attorney from Proskauer Rose that is on retainer representing the Big East in their contractual matters described the contract between MSG and the Big East as "air tight."

This being the case, I would think the liquidated or consequential damages for MSG breaking the contract would be substantial...a suitable deterrent for what you just described.
Title: Re: Merger with American
Post by: Ari Gold on March 31, 2014, 05:33:53 PM
Dear God, please...someone.. anyone.... burn scoop to the ground
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