Is Frank the best center in college ball right now, I know you Wisco haters, hate to discuss the Badgers, but I can not think of a more improved big man from one year to the next. Is there anyone better right now?
He's really good. And he's like Laimbeer back in the day - a center that can knock down buckets inside and out and rebound.
Nothing says stepping stone like hiring a player with no coaching experience from your instate rival.
Tom Izzo says everyone has a memory that lasts only three weeks.
How else can you explain an otherwise sane person saying Kaminsky is better than Julius Randle or Joel Embiid?
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 11:59:22 AM
Tom Izzo says everyone has a memory that lasts only three weeks.
How else can you explain an otherwise sane person saying Kaminsky is better than Julius Randle or Joel Embiid?
Because he is a better college center.
Embiid has only a few years of bball experience, and a much higher ceiling. Randle is a PF.
Kaminsky is really really good.
Kaminsky reminds me of a better Chris Crawford, who had a very nice NBA career. Btw, is Crawford included with all our NBA jerseys? He seems to be a forgotten man at MU.
The Badgers would not be any where near the Final 4 without Kaminsky. His emergence this year in phenomenal. Last year he was a stiff who could hit the 3 pointer. The guy is really tall and long. Watched at the BC last week for the NCAAs. Guy stands out like a giraffe on the court and he can run like a deer.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 30, 2014, 12:05:36 PM
The Badgers would not be any where near the Final 4 without Kaminsky. His emergence this year in phenomenal. Last year he was a stiff who could hit the 3 pointer. The guy is really tall and long. Watched at the BC last week for the NCAAs. Guy stands out like a giraffe on the court and he can run like a deer.
His post moves are amazing as well.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 30, 2014, 11:51:47 AM
Nothing says stepping stone like hiring a player with no coaching experience from your instate rival.
We have to eliminate him as a candidate soon anyway. God forbid we actually consider anyone with final four experience.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 30, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Because he is a better college center.
Embiid has only a few years of bball experience, and a much higher ceiling. Randle is a PF.
Kaminsky is really really good.
Did not say he was not, he is really good. He had a epic game yesterday, no doubt. And for a 3-star recruit that barely played his Freshman year, he improvement has been off the charts, the stuff of legends.
But for you proclaim him "
the best in college basketball" after one great game ... c'mon
Ok for centers .... a few weeks ago everyone here was saying Alec Brown of Greenbay was the best in the state. If Kaminsky lays an egg next week and scores 5 points, is Brown back above him?
How about:
Mitch Mcgary of Michigan (when healthy)
Patric Young of Florida
Payne of Michigan State
I know, none of them had an epic game 12 hours ago, so they cannot be the best in college basketball.
And how about this:
December 7, 2013 MU at Madison
MU loses 70 - 64
Kaminsky, 24 minutes 11 points, 4 rebounds
Devante Gardner, 23 minutes, 16 points 3 rebounds.
Gardner outplayed him ... wait that was more than 3 weeks ago so it does not count. Otherwise Gardner would be the best in college basketball.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 12:16:23 PM
Did not say he was not, he is really good. He had a epic game yesterday, no doubt. And for a 3-star recruit that barely played his Freshman year, he improvement has been off the charts, the stuff of legends.
But for you proclaim him "the best in college basketball" after one great game ... c'mon
Ok for centers .... a few weeks ago everyone here was saying Alec Brown of Greenbay was the best in the state. If Kaminsky lays an egg next week and scores 5 points, is Brown back above him?
How about:
Mitch Mcgary of Michigan (when healthy)
Patric Young of Florida
Payne of Michigan State
I know, none of them had an epic game 12 hours ago, so they cannot be the best in college basketball.
And how about this:
December 7, 2013 MU at Madison
MU loses 70 - 64
Kaminsky, 24 minutes 11 points, 4 rebounds
Devante Gardner, 23 minutes, 16 points 3 rebounds.
Gardner outplayed him ... wait that was more than 3 weeks ago so it does not count. Otherwise Gardner would be the best in college basketball.
So cherry picking, and a strawman. Well played.
He is the number one rated player in the B1G according to Kenpom, and the 7th best player in the country according to Ken.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 12:16:23 PM
Did not say he was not, he is really good. He had a epic game yesterday, no doubt. And for a 3-star recruit that barely played his Freshman year, he improvement has been off the charts, the stuff of legends.
But for you proclaim him "the best in college basketball" after one great game ... c'mon
Ok for centers .... a few weeks ago everyone here was saying Alec Brown of Greenbay was the best in the state. If Kaminsky lays an egg next week and scores 5 points, is Brown back above him?
How about:
Mitch Mcgary of Michigan (when healthy)
Patric Young of Florida
Payne of Michigan State
I know, none of them had an epic game 12 hours ago, so they cannot be the best in college basketball.
And how about this:
December 7, 2013 MU at Madison
MU loses 70 - 64
Kaminsky, 24 minutes 11 points, 4 rebounds
Devante Gardner, 23 minutes, 16 points 3 rebounds.
Gardner outplayed him ... wait that was more than 3 weeks ago so it does not count. Otherwise Gardner would be the best in college basketball.
Maybe if Gardner knew how to play defense too.
Kaminsky will have pro scouts drooling...already does after this recent run of games. He's got all the tools to become the next Dirk Nowitzki. Barkley said as much...said of course he isn't Dirk at this point - but all the tools are there, and that already his footwork/post game is better than Dirk's.
He's a matchup nightmare for the opposition, and gives you great flexibility on the offensive end, as you have to defend him out to the 3 point line...creates great driving lanes for the others.
STUD.
Good college center, limited NBA upside.
Ceiling is probably a Brad Miller type, if he can put on some bulk.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 30, 2014, 12:21:42 PM
So cherry picking, and a strawman. Well played.
He is the number one rated player in the B1G according to Kenpom, and the 7th best player in the country according to Ken.
How else you do you answer this question????
How many centers does KenPom rate ahead of Kaminsky? Embiid?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
Good college center, limited NBA upside.
Ceiling is probably a Brad Miller type, if he can put on some bulk.
This
Big white guys that can shoot ... Kyle Kover and Steve Novak. He's in this group if everything works out. How does he stop Dwight Howard in the post?
Kaminsky improved more in the last year than Otule did in six. Does that speak to coaching?
He's much better than Dekker's overrated self, thats for sure. Did Dekker even play yesterday?
We saw in the first half how Kaminsky struggles with length inside. But if he pulls his man outside, he's trouble.
Quote from: oshkoshbgosh on March 30, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Kaminsky improved more in the last year than Otule did in six. Does that speak to coaching?
Well, to be fair, Otule has only one eye. So that comparison isn't exactly apples-to-apples...or apples-to-oranges for that matter...it's more like apples-to-grass
Quote from: oshkoshbgosh on March 30, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Kaminsky improved more in the last year than Otule did in six. Does that speak to coaching?
Not really, given the number of the highly rated big men who never developed under Bo (Butch, Stiemsa, Anderson, Gavinski).
Quote from: Ners on March 30, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
Kaminsky will have pro scouts drooling...already does after this recent run of games. He's got all the tools to become the next Dirk Nowitzki. Barkley said as much...said of course he isn't Dirk at this point - but all the tools are there, and that already his footwork/post game is better than Dirk's.
He's a matchup nightmare for the opposition, and gives you great flexibility on the offensive end, as you have to defend him out to the 3 point line...creates great driving lanes for the others.
STUD.
Kaminsky is the man!!!
28 and 11 against a #1 seed. Hes the goods......
Aaron Gordon was not the Goods last night.
Kaminsky improved more in the 2nd Half of last nights game. Than Jamil did in the 2nd half of the season.......
Quote from: Ners on March 30, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
Kaminsky will have pro scouts drooling...already does after this recent run of games. He's got all the tools to become the next Dirk Nowitzki. Barkley said as much...said of course he isn't Dirk at this point - but all the tools are there, and that already his footwork/post game is better than Dirk's.
He's a matchup nightmare for the opposition, and gives you great flexibility on the offensive end, as you have to defend him out to the 3 point line...creates great driving lanes for the others.
STUD.
Kaminsky is not listed among the 10 centers on NBA draft express 2014. Interestingly, on the list is Embiid no. 2 overall and Noah Voleh no. 7 overall from Indiana.
http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
Kaminsky is not listed among the 2015 board either
http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
Interestingly, Kevon Looney is no. 8 and Sam Dekker is no. 38
So, who are these scouts drooling over him?
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
Kaminsky is not listed among the 10 centers on NBA draft express 2014. Interestingly, on the list is Embiid no. 2 overall and Noah Voleh no. 7 overall from Indiana.
http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
Kaminsky is not listed among the 2015 board either
http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
Interestingly, Kevon Looney is no. 8 and Sam Dekker is no. 38
So, who are these scouts drooling over him?
Draft Express is usually a better prognosticator of these things...Kaminsky 22...I think Dekker is WAY overrated...good player...but don't see him being much of a pro...doesn't shoot it that well a la a Kyle Korver...pretty good athlete...but not elite athlete.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/
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Did not say he was not, he is really good. He had a epic game yesterday, no doubt. And for a 3-star recruit that barely played his Freshman year, he improvement has been off the charts, the stuff of legends.
But for you proclaim him "the best in college basketball" after one great game ... c'mon
Ok for centers .... a few weeks ago everyone here was saying Alec Brown of Greenbay was the best in the state. If Kaminsky lays an egg next week and scores 5 points, is Brown back above him?
How about:
Mitch Mcgary of Michigan (when healthy)
Patric Young of Florida
Payne of Michigan State
I know, none of them had an epic game 12 hours ago, so they cannot be the best in college basketball.
And how about this:
December 7, 2013 MU at Madison
MU loses 70 - 64
Kaminsky, 24 minutes 11 points, 4 rebounds
Devante Gardner, 23 minutes, 16 points 3 rebounds.
Gardner outplayed him ... wait that was more than 3 weeks ago so it does not count. Otherwise Gardner would be the best in college basketball.
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Man you definitely sound like a hater. How about you give credit where credit is due. I too think Kaminskybis the best Center in college right now. May not have thr best ceiling, but he IS the best.
Very good player, but he had arguably his best came of his career last night and his four tournament games he's played significantly better than he did in the regular season. I wouldn't annoint him the best center just yet.
No pro scouts are drooling. None. Pro scouts drool over athleticism, size, speed and potential. Frank has one of those.
The Dirk comparison is ridiculous, it's not even close. Frank looks slow in the college game, the NBA game will completely blow him out of the water.
I'm sure everyone's drooling over seeing him match up against Davis, Howard, Noah, Hibbert and Horford. Oh wait, he's a NBA 4? Yeah, good luck against Love, Lebron, Aldridge, Carmelo, Blake, Serge or ZBo.
Anthony Davis would make him his bitch all day long.
If you think NBA scouts are drooling over Frank, you clearly don't watch the NBA.
Quote from: Ners on March 30, 2014, 01:03:35 PM
Draft Express is usually a better prognosticator of these things...Kaminsky 22...I think Dekker is WAY overrated...good player...but don't see him being much of a pro...doesn't shoot it that well a la a Kyle Korver...pretty good athlete...but not elite athlete.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/
That's next years draft, not this year. He's not listed this year.
Kaminsky is no. 22 and Dekker is no. 23
Not buying it
Quote from: atk13thst on March 30, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Man you definitely sound like a hater. How about you give credit where credit is due. I too think Kaminskybis the best Center in college right now. May not have thr best ceiling, but he IS the best.
Kaminsky was the best college center in the two games last night so he is the best of them all.
Check back after the two games tonight are over.
Izzo is a genius
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 01:09:23 PM
That's next years draft, not this year. He's not listed this year.
Kaminsky is no. 22 and Dekker is no. 23
Not buying it
http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/
He is 48. Btw I never said he was the #1 center prospect, nor did I say he was NBA material. Only that he is the best college center.
He's a damn good college player, no argument there.
Here's to our next coach being able to oversee player development remotely like this. Most of Brent's players regressed if anything.
Quote from: chapman on March 30, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
Here's to our next coach being able to oversee player development remotely like this. Most of Brent's players regressed if anything.
Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Crowder, DJO, Buycks, Lockett and Vander ... yeah nothing but regression in this list.
But all of them played more than 3 weeks ago. Jamil disappointed in the last three weeks so every player under Brent regressed.
Izzo is a genius
Quote from: chapman on March 30, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
Here's to our next coach being able to oversee player development remotely like this. Most of Brent's players regressed if anything.
Yeah, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, Dwight Buycks and DJO were totally expected to develop into NBA players when they arrived at Marquette.
But Bo is God because a 6-foot-11 guy who can shoot may be catching the eye of NBA scouts.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 30, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/
He is 48. Btw I never said he was the #1 center prospect, nor did I say he was NBA material. Only that he is the best college center.
Huh?
I never said he was the best prospect, or even NBA material or even good at all but Derrick Wilson is the best PG in college basketball
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 30, 2014, 01:27:44 PM
Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Crowder, DJO, Buycks, Lockett and Vander ... yeah nothing but regression in this list.
But all of them played more than 3 weeks ago. Jamil disappointed in the last three weeks so every player under Brent regressed.
Izzo is a genius
Matthews - senior who was Crean's recruit and did most of his developing after he left MU.
Hayward - junior who was Crean's recruit and really didn't improve his senior year so much as he was the first option instead of the fourth.
Lockett - senior transfer who was the player he was prior to transferring.
Crowder, Johnson-Odom and Buycks - JUCO transfers that all could play when they arrived but weren't recruited due to academics.
Jimmy Butler and Vander Blue are two you could give Buzz credit for and he should get credit for.
There's been far more cases of players with ability who never got close to tapping into it while being coached by Buzz than there are of players who have seen their skill sets improve exponentially.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Matthews - senior who was Crean's recruit and did most of his developing after he left MU.
Hayward - junior who was Crean's recruit and really didn't improve his senior year so much as he was the first option instead of the fourth.
Lockett - senior transfer who was the player he was prior to transferring.
Crowder, Johnson-Odom and Buycks - JUCO transfers that all could play when they arrived but weren't recruited due to academics.
Jimmy Butler and Vander Blue are two you could give Buzz credit for and he should get credit for.
There's been far more cases of players with ability who never got close to tapping into it while being coached by Buzz than there are of players who have seen their skill sets improve exponentially.
I'm pissed at Buzz and think his player development left a lot to be desired. But to not give him some credit for Matthews and Hayward is crazy. Matthews was a different player under Buzz and his senior day comments show Buzz had an effect on him. I wouldn't say Lazar was on a first round trajectory with Crean. Lazar lived on Buzz's trailing 3, and I thought he brought a lot out of him as a down low player.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 30, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
I'm pissed at Buzz and think his player development left a lot to be desired. But to not give him some credit for Matthews and Hayward is crazy. Matthews was a different player under Buzz and his senior day comments show Buzz had an effect on him. I wouldn't say Lazar was on a first round trajectory with Crean. Lazar lived on Buzz's trailing 3, and I thought he brought a lot out of him as a down low player.
I guess my point is that Buzz had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
Quote from: PTM on March 30, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
No pro scouts are drooling. None. Pro scouts drool over athleticism, size, speed and potential. Frank has one of those.
The Dirk comparison is ridiculous, it's not even close. Frank looks slow in the college game, the NBA game will completely blow him out of the water.
I'm sure everyone's drooling over seeing him match up against Davis, Howard, Noah, Hibbert and Horford. Oh wait, he's a NBA 4? Yeah, good luck against Love, Lebron, Aldridge, Carmelo, Blake, Serge or ZBo.
Anthony Davis would make him his bitch all day long.
If you think NBA scouts are drooling over Frank, you clearly don't watch the NBA.
See Brad Miller
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
I guess my point is that Buzz had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
I guess my point is that
Buzz Coach K had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
I guess my point is that
Buzz Bill Self had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
I guess my point is that
Buzz John Calipari had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
I guess my point is that
Buzz Roy Williams had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
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If you doubt the statements above, see the message boards of these schools. That's all they talk about
Well you've just named four coaches with National Championships who relied heavily on 18-19 year old freshmen and are comparing them to Buzz Williams.
Way to destroy your own argument, although it doesn't shock me.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 30, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
See Brad Miller
NBA scouts weren't drooling over Brad Miller, though. He wasn't even drafted.
As I wrote earlier, Miller is probably Kaminsky's ceiling. And that's a very respectable ceiling.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
I guess my point is that Buzz had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
I will definitely agree with this. One reason Martin's recruiting doesn't totally scare me. I would be fine with a coach that gets in 3 stars, but has a system that allows them to play right away and develop. Granted, I don't know enough about Martin to know if he's this type of coach.
We've heard how Buzz has a complex defensive scheme and the main reason young guys don't play is due to their defense. Hence we have guys like JuJuan that don't get any time when conference starts. Burton gets way less playing time than he deserves. Jamail Jones was a heralded recruit that didn't play much. Not all top 100 recruits pan out, but I can't imagine we've had this many players come in that don't know how to play defense and weren't smart enough to pick up the system.
Maybe Buzz started listening to the accolades and ended up outsmarting himself by making a scheme that is to complicated. Even our "good" defenders looked bad at times.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 02:04:29 PM
Well you've just named four coaches with National Championships who relied heavily on 18-19 year old freshmen and are comparing them to Buzz Williams.
Way to destroy your own argument, although it doesn't shock me.
You said ...
There's been far more cases of players with ability who never got close to tapping into it while being coached by Buzz than there are of players who have seen their skill sets improve exponentially.Fans of the four above say the same thing about their coaches. They argue their coaches are just better recruiters and the talent they get so go good they "overcome" their coaching.
So Buzz is the same, just gets lesser recruits.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
NBA scouts weren't drooling over Brad Miller, though. He wasn't even drafted.
As I wrote earlier, Miller is probably Kaminsky's ceiling. And that's a very respectable ceiling.
Im talking skill set
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 30, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
I guess my point is that Buzz had a lot of success coaching players who ALREADY had a quality skill set, but I think Buzz struggled to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players.
Oh, come on. Nobody, and I mean nobody, saw Crowder, Buycks, Hayward or Butler as future NBA players when they arrived at Marquette.
Vander is the lone exception.
Unless you're Duke, Kansas or Kentucky, and you're landing recruiting classes full of McDonald's AAs year in and year out, every coach struggles to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players. Most recruits don't become impact players at the high D-1 level.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
Oh, come on. Nobody, and I mean nobody, saw Crowder, Buycks, Hayward or Butler as future NBA players when they arrived at Marquette.
Vander is the lone exception.
Unless your Duke, Kansas or Kentucky, and you're landing recruiting classes full of McDonald's AAs year in and year out, every coach struggles to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players. Most recruits don't become impact players at the high D-1 level.
Same will happen when players off this Marquette team are in the League (Burton, D. wilson duane NOT Derrick and Dawson) people would have never seen it coming.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 30, 2014, 02:10:37 PM
Im talking skill set
Offensively, I agree. Said so last night, Miller could also defend.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
NBA scouts weren't drooling over Brad Miller, though. He wasn't even drafted.
As I wrote earlier, Miller is probably Kaminsky's ceiling. And that's a very respectable ceiling.
I do watch some NBA, although not nearly as close as college hoops. Your analysis projecting to next level may be better than mine. Perhaps saying drooling was too strong of word. Kaminsky may struggle defending the stretch 4's as you point out, yet he poses some problems too. I thought he held up really well against Kaleb T who is a physical presence and projected draft pick, as well as Aaron Gordon - a projected lottery pick THIS year at Number 8. Granted he is just 18, and Kaminsky is 20...yet still a lot of development ahead for 20 year old kid - and the level of improvement Kaminsky made from sophomore to junior year has been incredible.
Brad Miller may be a good comparison - yet....I stand by my statement, that his game has a lot of similarities to Dirk...the footwork is incredible...something Brad Miller didn't have. We'll see how it plays out, yet you've given me pause on my initial take that he could be lottery material next season..
Quote from: Ners on March 30, 2014, 02:40:43 PM
I do watch some NBA, although not nearly as close as college hoops. Your analysis projecting to next level may be better than mine. Perhaps saying drooling was too strong of word. Kaminsky may struggle defending the stretch 4's as you point out, yet he poses some problems too. I thought he held up really well against Kaleb T who is a physical presence and projected draft pick, as well as Aaron Gordon - a projected lottery pick THIS year at Number 8. Granted he is just 18, and Kaminsky is 20...yet still a lot of development ahead for 20 year old kid - and the level of improvement Kaminsky made from sophomore to junior year has been incredible.
Brad Miller may be a good comparison - yet....I stand by my statement, that his game has a lot of similarities to Dirk...the footwork is incredible...something Brad Miller didn't have. We'll see how it plays out, yet you've given me pause on my initial take that he could be lottery material next season..
I'll agree with you now.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
Oh, come on. Nobody, and I mean nobody, saw Crowder, Buycks, Hayward or Butler as future NBA players when they arrived at Marquette.
Vander is the lone exception.
Unless you're Duke, Kansas or Kentucky, and you're landing recruiting classes full of McDonald's AAs year in and year out, every coach struggles to consistently take 18-19 year old freshmen and develop them into high caliber players. Most recruits don't become impact players at the high D-1 level.
Let's look at Buzz's recruits (who actually made it to opening day):
JUCO/transfers - Butler, Acker, Fulce, Crowder, Johnson-Odom, Buycks, J Wilson, Lockett, Thomas
HS recruits - Maymon, Mbao, Cadougan, Williams, Blue, Gardner, Jones, Smith, Anderson, Mayo, D Wilson, Ferguson, Taylor, Burton, Dawson, Johnson
Of Buzz's HS recruits, 37.5% transferred out of the program.
How can you honestly say that Buzz is a quality player developer when you look at the difference between the quality of His JUCO/transfers which featured one senior, four juniors and four sophomores compared to his 16 freshmen out of high school?
He benefited from guys with good basketball IQ with a couple of years of maturity that transferred into the program. He did practically nothing in terms of developing kids out of high school and lost roughly 4 out of 10 to defections from the program.
Buzz has never been a good talent developer.
Quote from: PTM on March 30, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
I'll agree with you now.
Actually I meant to quote your posts...more than Pakuni's..so response was more directed to you..