Don't know if anybody brought this up, but Duane has tweeted a bunch of things this past week (when his account was active) where he seems to take some shots at Buzz. So has Dawson's dad. Some examples :
Never will I trust again
Can't trust nobody nowadays one day there here the next day gone!! Loyalty don't exist!!
Praying we stick together and don't fall apart #mubb
Learning to let go and move on
Tough times don't last...tough ppl do
I had to find out the hard way everybody ain't loyal
Doesn't sound like to big of a Buzz fan ;D
Yea all these tweets came to light last week. Him JJJ, Deonte, Dawson and the new recruits are kids who have basically been ran a stray by our used car salesman ex coach. Got em all their they bought into the program and he took the first thing smoking out of town.
I can only imagine how they feel. But its a business right?
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 29, 2014, 11:29:07 AM
Don't know if anybody brought this up, but Duane has tweeted a bunch of things this past week (when his account was active) where he seems to take some shots at Buzz. So has Dawson's dad. Some examples :
Never will I trust again
Can't trust nobody nowadays one day there here the next day gone!! Loyalty don't exist!!
Praying we stick together and don't fall apart #mubb
Learning to let go and move on
Tough times don't last...tough ppl do
I had to find out the hard way everybody ain't loyal
Doesn't sound like to big of a Buzz fan ;D
yep, I repeatedly said that the RS of Duane was fishy. many told me to shut up, it was none of our business. All I said was I wanted to hear from the kid that it was his choice to prove me wrong, and a bunch of people blasted me for that. Where are they hiding now.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
yep, I repeatedly said that the RS of Duane was fishy. many told me to shut up, it was none of our business. All I said was I wanted to hear from the kid that it was his choice to prove me wrong, and a bunch of people blasted me for that. Where are they hiding now.
What reality do you live in? I'd just like to know.
These tweets have everything to do with Buzz leaving... not his RS.
They, in no way, prove your strange theory.
I do not know how you get he did not like Buzz from this. It seems to me he was truly hurt by Buzz leaving.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
yep, I repeatedly said that the RS of Duane was fishy. many told me to shut up, it was none of our business. All I said was I wanted to hear from the kid that it was his choice to prove me wrong, and a bunch of people blasted me for that. Where are they hiding now.
Funny you say that. Check ya inbox.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
yep, I repeatedly said that the RS of Duane was fishy. many told me to shut up, it was none of our business. All I said was I wanted to hear from the kid that it was his choice to prove me wrong, and a bunch of people blasted me for that. Where are they hiding now.
Hi Willie!
It is still nonya business. It really isn't that fishy. And I can never remember a single redshirt at any other school where the media felt the need to interview the player.
Quote from: bilsu on March 29, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
I do not know how you get he did not like Buzz from this. It seems to me he was truly hurt by Buzz leaving.
No, I'm saying not too big a fan now...like he is pissed he bought into this guys bs about loyalty and then he just bolts.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 29, 2014, 11:43:57 AM
What reality do you live in? I'd just like to know.
These tweets have everything to do with Buzz leaving... not his RS.
They, in no way, prove your strange theory.
You haven't a clue Hards, except that you love Buzz.
All these Bret slurpers are killing me lol
IM GLAD he is GONE
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:47:23 AM
You haven't a clue Hards, except that you love Buzz.
Lol since when?
I live in reality, I don't make up conspiracy theories and then deem them right without a shred of evidence.
Let me guess, willie, 9/11 was an inside job too!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Hi Willie!
It is still nonya business. It really isn't that fishy. And I can never remember a single redshirt at any other school where the media felt the need to interview the player.
Buy the Brooklyn Bridge, pal. Buzz is selling it to you.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:52:45 AM
Buy the Brooklyn Bridge, pal. Buzz is selling it to you.
Latest snapshot of willie!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A3Nx2Mnjv28/Tq9lJoe2tPI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/sTo7AAcLhOE/s400/tumblr_lmg3ck8mRZ1qc63sno1_500.jpg)
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 29, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
Lol since when?
I live in reality, I don't make up conspiracy theories and then deem them right without a shred of evidence.
Let me guess, willie, 9/11 was an inside job too!
Keep insulting Hards. Never said it was a conspiracy--just Buzz being a jerk. Let the kid speak, and if I am wrong then you are a clairovoyant. I have not deemed anything right. Just that I have suspicions, because of the way Buzz handled it and what he said. But it's OK Hards, you worship the ground Buzz walks on. How did that work out?
Quote from: atk13thst on March 29, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
All these Bret slurpers are killing me lol
IM GLAD he is GONE
+100
Sigh...
Buzz left my program in a better state that he found it. That is good enough for me. Don't understand why we need to bash all our former coaches. All it does is make us look bad
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
Keep insulting Hards. Never said it was a conspiracy--just Buzz being a jerk. Let the kid speak, and if I am wrong then you are a clairovoyant. I have not deemed anything right. Just that I have suspicions, because of the way Buzz handled it and what he said. But it's OK Hards, you worship the ground Buzz walks on. How did that work out?
Where have I ever said that I worship Buzz? Again, dude, maybe its time for a visit to the doctor. Maybe a nice room... white walls... you'll be safe there, buddy.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 29, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
Latest snapshot of willie!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A3Nx2Mnjv28/Tq9lJoe2tPI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/sTo7AAcLhOE/s400/tumblr_lmg3ck8mRZ1qc63sno1_500.jpg)
funny, I pictured him heavier
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Sigh...
Buzz left my program in a better state that he found it. That is good enough for me. Don't understand why we need to bash all our former coaches. All it does is make us look bad
Did he really leave it in better shape? We are going to hardly have a bench next year because all of his recruits want out. We have no front court due to his recruiting. He had the 3 amigos and lazar when he got the job. I don't really think we are in a better position.
Do we know that these tweets are about buzz? Maybe the players were lead to believe a certain coach had accepted the MU job, and then later found out it was not to be.
How's that for conspiracy theory?
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 29, 2014, 12:05:00 PM
Did he really leave it in better shape? We are going to hardly have a bench next year because all of his recruits want out. We have no front court due to his recruiting. He had the 3 amigos and lazar when he got the job. I don't really think we are in a better position.
Really, BUzz'sBS? Please show me where all of our recruits have stated that they want out. This sensationalism just keeps flowing this week. So sick of it.
Quote from: csmithjump on March 29, 2014, 12:09:34 PM
Do we know that these tweets are about buzz. Maybe the players were lead to believe a certain coach had accepted the MU job, and then later found out it was not to be.
Why would he be criticizing SS over a lack of loyalty?
Quote from: windyplayer on March 29, 2014, 12:10:18 PM
Really, BUzz'sBS? Please show me where all of our recruits have stated that they want out. This sensationalism just keeps flowing this week. So sick of it.
Shayok wants out, Pierce has stated he's most likely to ask for his release, Cohen is iffy...oh and you really think Hill is going to stay??
Some recruits will leave but that's inevitable no matter who the new coach is. It happened when Crean left too. Tyshawn Taylor and many others left.
Quote from: bilsu on March 29, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
I do not know how you get he did not like Buzz from this. It seems to me he was truly hurt by Buzz leaving.
I agree. Coaches work hard to get theses kids, win their trust etc. Then, they up and leave and the kids are left holding the bag. On the other hand, kids can transfer out also so that loyalty does go both ways.
Quote from: csmithjump on March 29, 2014, 12:09:34 PM
Do we know that these tweets are about buzz? Maybe the players were lead to believe a certain coach had accepted the MU job, and then later found out it was not to be.
Yes, I believe those were tweeted just last night. Could be about Buzz, a candidate, a soon to be former teammate, or something not related to BBall at all.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 29, 2014, 01:13:44 PM
Yes, I believe those were tweeted just last night. Could be about Buzz, a candidate, a soon to be former teammate, or something not related to BBall at all.
I think the majority of the tweets were from the Friday and Saturday that Buzz left. I've seen them posted here what seems like hundreds of times now.
Between subscribing the 18 year old kids' twitter accounts to decipher their intentions, the conspiracy theories, every poster here having a source, and a couple posters who start a new topic every time they formulate a thought this place really has been a strange locale these last few days.
Most of our significant others rightfully would be ashamed by the level of fanaticism going on around here.
half the time their tweets are song lyrics or lines from a tv show.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 29, 2014, 12:05:00 PM
Did he really leave it in better shape? We are going to hardly have a bench next year because all of his recruits want out. We have no front court due to his recruiting. He had the 3 amigos and lazar when he got the job. I don't really think we are in a better position.
He got as many sweet sixteens in six years as the past six coaches did in 30. Nuff said
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 01:39:29 PM
He got as many sweet sixteens in six years as the past six coaches did in 30. Nuff said
The results that Buzz had while at Marquette and how he left the program are two completely different things TAMU.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Sigh...
Buzz left my program in a better state that he found it. That is good enough for me. Don't understand why we need to bash all our former coaches. All it does is make us look bad
Spoken like a true Buzz BS believer.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 29, 2014, 01:52:02 PM
The results that Buzz had while at Marquette and how he left the program are two completely different things TAMU.
Yes, but those results helped bolster the program's image. I would say we definitely look stronger now than we did when Crean left. If all the players bolt, that's another thing entirely. But I think we won't see that. 2 to 3 leaving is my prediction. And if its any combination of Derrick, Juan, Pierce, Shayok, or Dawson, I think we will be ok.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
Spoken like a true Buzz BS believer.
I think he used us a stepping stone, just like every other coach since Hand Raymonds did. Not sure why we expected anything different.
I appreciate the service he did for my university. Buzz's positives far outweighed his negatives IMHO
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Sigh...
Buzz left my program in a better state that he found it. That is good enough for me. Don't understand why we need to bash all our former coaches. All it does is make us look bad
The fact he decided to take shots at the conference, the television deal, and left for a LOWER SALARY and went to Va. Tech...that speaks VOLUMES...both in words and actions.
Just now he tweeted....
@SwaggyDu1: Jan 20th is one day I'll never forget.
That happened to be the day MU beat GTown with Dawson and Mayo (I think) playing a lot and playing well. May mean absolutely nothing, but is Duane giving us the story 140 characters at a time?
Again, likely pure coincidence, but I happened to notice that I made the following post on 1/21, simply because the tweet struck me. Didn't know why, but it kind of jumped off the screen at me.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41605.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41605.0)
Jesus H. Christ. Are you a student? I hope so. Because you are monitoring the tweets of a college freshman and using them to validate your messages on an internet chat board. Get a grip. He's 18 years old. Don't be a creep!
Quote from: CoachingSearchNightmare on March 29, 2014, 08:17:12 PM
Jesus H. Christ. Are you a student? I hope so. Because you are monitoring the tweets of a college freshman and using them to validate your messages on an internet chat board. Get a grip. He's 18 years old. Don't be a creep!
Na man, I got a house, kids,the whole thing....if by monitoring, you mean following, then yes, guilty. I only found my earlier post because I went back to look at what happens on this board on January 20. The whole thing is just a little strange.
Could be about a girl. Could be that he reads this forum and is messing with us
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 29, 2014, 01:11:46 PM
I agree. Coaches work hard to get theses kids, win their trust etc. Then, they up and leave and the kids are left holding the bag. On the other hand, kids can transfer out also so that loyalty does go both ways.
Actually, 79, you inadvertently touched on one of the great hypocrisies in college sports.
When kids transfer out, they have to sit out a year. They have the game they love ripped away from them for an entire season.
When coaches up and leave, they aren't penalized one iota. In fact, most of them are rewarded handsomely for the disloyalty. The big upset wasn't that Buzz left but that he was one of the few who actually took a pay cut.
Yet another reason I hope the players get their union someday! The system is rigged against them and even when they get a slight loophole -- such as the one that allows smart kids to graduate after 3 years and then transfer without sitting out -- some clown wants to close it. Yep, we'd hate to let the indentured servants get even one advantage.
Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Actually, 79, you inadvertently touched on one of the great hypocrisies in college sports.
When kids transfer out, they have to sit out a year. They have the game they love ripped away from them for an entire season.
When coaches up and leave, they aren't penalized one iota. In fact, most of them are rewarded handsomely for the disloyalty. The big upset wasn't that Buzz left but that he was one of the few who actually took a pay cut.
Yet another reason I hope the players get their union someday! The system is rigged against them and even when they get a slight loophole -- such as the one that allows smart kids to graduate after 3 years and then transfer without sitting out -- some clown wants to close it. Yep, we'd hate to let the indentured servants get even one advantage.
Testify, brother. Deiven me craxpzy for years. One of the biggest symptoms of the disease that has my interest in college sports hanging by a thread.
Chosen One @SwaggyDu1 1m
The closet person to me is moving. Man that hurt like a mf.
Hmmmm... JJJ to Memphis?
Stone moving out of state?
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 30, 2014, 06:05:30 PM
Stone moving out of state?
That was my first thought. Stone going to one of those bball academies.
Duane...
My sig, homie.
Big thangs in 2014-15. BIG THANGS! ;D
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 30, 2014, 06:05:30 PM
Stone moving out of state?
It was rumored on here quite a few times that they're not as close as people make them out to be. I don't really think he was talking about Stone regardless.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 30, 2014, 09:23:15 PM
It was rumored on here quite a few times that they're not as close as people make them out to be. I don't really think he was talking about Stone regardless.
Those rumors came from one (admittedly respected) scooper. He has since rescinded.
Not sure if the tweets are related to basketball at all. I know all the current players are waiting to see who the new coach is.
Chosen One @SwaggyDu1 5h
I'm in this alone..Found out i don't need a lot ppl.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 29, 2014, 01:11:46 PM
I agree. Coaches work hard to get theses kids, win their trust etc. Then, they up and leave and the kids are left holding the bag. On the other hand, kids can transfer out also so that loyalty does go both ways.
It seems to me that trying to equate an 18 year old with an adult making multimillion dollars a year who has portrayed himself as a father figure is a stretch beyond comprehension.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 29, 2014, 03:24:42 PM
I think he used us a stepping stone, just like every other coach since Hand Raymonds did. Not sure why we expected anything different.
I appreciate the service he did for my university. Buzz's positives far outweighed his negatives IMHO
No he didn't....the only reason if not the main reason Buzz Williams left is because all the other big name coaches and colleges left the original Big East and took their teams with them to the ACC!
That is the bottom line. You can doll it up all you want but that part I agree with. So he didn't lie when he said it. I believe him. He had this all in the works a long time ago.
He knew his biggest recruiting pitch of the Big East was now by and large gone, or so he thinks.
And I know what you are going to say, but no matter how much you will bring up the new TV deal he knew it would not be the same. Also not having a President, AD, and his former coach Monarch go to him too but he was in the middle of a contract and was stuck.
The original Big East with teams like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and the like left and he left...in so many ways. Larry Williams made some big decisions on that transition and he is gone so things got real messy.
That's why. I think he was on his way out the minute those coaches left and was fixing this season up to do so.
He was overly loyal and he played and started lesser players so MU would not do so well and sit guys like Mayo and Taylor and JJJ until the season was lost to make it easier come up short and to be let go...this was all set up.
But it is what coaches do.He wanted to leave this conference the minute Brad Stevens, Boeheim, Pitino and Jamie and the others left but did not know how to do it.
He won't come out and say it, but that is exactly what it looks like to me...what he did and why he did and did not waste on minute putting on that VT pin and go on TV the very next day smiling about it with Charles Kenny and Clark.
It was set up...
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on March 31, 2014, 03:43:15 AM
No he didn't....the only reason if not the main reason Buzz Williams left is because all the other big name coaches and colleges left the original Big East and took their teams with them to the ACC!
That is the bottom line. You can doll it up all you want but that part I agree with. So he didn't lie when he said it. I believe him. He had this all in the works a long time ago.
He knew his biggest recruiting pitch of the Big East was now by and large gone, or so he thinks.
And I know what you are going to say, but no matter how much you will bring up the new TV deal he knew it would not be the same. Also not having a President, AD, and his former coach Monarch go to him too but he was in the middle of a contract and was stuck.
The original Big East with teams like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and the like left and he left...in so many ways. Larry Williams made some big decisions on that transition and he is gone so things got real messy.
That's why. I think he was on his way out the minute those coaches left and was fixing this season up to do so.
He was overly loyal and he played and started lesser players so MU would not do so well and sit guys like Mayo and Taylor and JJJ until the season was lost to make it easier come up short and to be let go...this was all set up.
But it is what coaches do.He wanted to leave this conference the minute Brad Stevens, Boeheim, Pitino and Jamie and the others left but did not know how to do it.
He won't come out and say it, but that is exactly what it looks like to me...what he did and why he did and did not waste on minute putting on that VT pin and go on TV the very next day smiling about it with Charles Kenny and Clark.
It was set up...
I understand it is your opinion but it is not right.
If he believed that line of BS about the conference then take BC or Wake not VT.
And I also believe administration insiders and their public statement that they knew days before he left he was going and "encouraged" him to do so. (Cords said he knew this was going to happen and Cords said they had internal conversations "weeks" before he bolted.)
Like Brent has said countless times, he was going to stay at MU as long as they would have him. MU did not want him anymore.
The real question is why. We will find out in the weeks/months after we make a new hire.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 31, 2014, 07:38:24 AM
I understand it is your opinion but it is not right.
If he believed that line of BS about the conference then take BC or Wake not VT.
And I also believe administration insiders and their public statement
that they knew days before he left he was going and "encouraged" him to do so. (Cords said he knew this was going to happen and Cords said they had internal conversations "weeks" before he bolted.)
Like Brent has said countless times, he was going to stay at MU as long as they would have him. MU did not want him anymore.
The real question is why. We will find out in the weeks/months after we make a new hire.
Agreed. But I think the why was answered mostly from the PT article. The whole sexual assault cover up from two years ago started the ball in motion where Buzz told anyone who would listen that he wanted out because he didn't like the pressure he was getting from the university and big time donors. Buzz created this crap storm and kept running when it got too much. Cords and company finally realized your gone sooner than later so lets start this process now. Much different than Crean. Crean was throwing his name out there a lot too but only for the right job. Buzz kept looking for anyone job because he knew he wasn't wanted as much anymore