If our goal is to make a splash hire (especially after the SS debacle), why would we consider hiring anyone other than Howland?
He's done nothing but win and recruit great talent. I just don't get why we'd consider Martin and others over him.
No one we're talking to outside of him can show potential recruits:
- 3 Final Four's
- 15 plus players sent to the NBA (most of them 1st round picks)
Can someone please tell me ? It just makes zero sense to not pick him.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 28, 2014, 11:54:33 AM
If our goal is to make a splash hire (especially after the SS debacle), why would we consider hiring anyone other than Howland?
He's done nothing but win and recruit great talent. I just don't get why we'd consider Martin and others over him.
No one we're talking to outside of him can show potential recruits:
- 3 Final Four's
- 15 plus players sent to the NBA (most of them 1st round picks)
Can someone please tell me ? It just makes zero sense to not pick him.
I dont think you do. However, I also dont think you want him to think he is the only candidate. If so, his price goes through the roof.
I hate to be the first to say it but if he aint our coach by now then IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
I hate to be the first to say it but if he aint our coach by now then IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
I think you are wrong. Just yesterday MU lost out on Smart. If they were going to go after Howland it likely just started today.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
I think you are wrong. Just yesterday MU lost out on Smart. If they were going to go after Howland it likely just started today.
If it just started today, that also does not bode well for our chances...
My gut is there could be train of thought on his relating to today's players and style of play. That coupled with a high demand for money. Not sayin it cannot happen, just my thoughts.
Hope it's not Howland. Much of his appeal was he won at UCLA. Pretty easy to recruit to UCLA. Can he recruit to Milwaukee (some say he did OK in Pitts). At 56 does he have that fire to recruit hard that it will require? Been described as not a players coach and not overly-liked in the coaching community? Style of play not overly interesting as well to recruits or fans...
A lot of $$$ for what may initially be a splash hire that may not have the ROI down the road...
Source - my humble opinion :)
but no to Wardle too - had to get that in there as well
Quote from: El Guerrero on March 28, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
If it just started today, that also does not bode well for our chances...
Why? Did Uncle Ben sign somewhere else? Did I miss the story where he interviewed somewhere else? Did I miss the story that says MU is not interested in him.
Respect the process! :)
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
I hate to be the first to say it but if he aint our coach by now then IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
Wow. I thought we were over definitive uninformed statements.
So less than a week after Buzz leaves, Howland is out of the running because MU didn't act fast enough. Good lord.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
I think you are wrong. Just yesterday MU lost out on Smart. If they were going to go after Howland it likely just started today.
I have never been involved in higher a high-major basketball coach, but it would seem very imprudent to simply focus on one guy and not have multiple conversations going. I have to imagine that the agents for all the potential candidates have a sense of where MU's head is at and how that impacts their client.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 28, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Wow. I thought we were over definitive uninformed statements.
So less than a week after Buzz leaves, Howland is out of the running because MU didn't act fast enough. Good lord.
Exactly!
And by floating other names, we gain the advantage. If we show too much interest, he will have us by the balls during negotiations.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 28, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Wow. I thought we were over definitive uninformed statements.
So less than a week after Buzz leaves, Howland is out of the running because MU didn't act fast enough. Good lord.
Pretty sure atk13thst has proved time and again, he doesn't know much about college basketball or the marquette program.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Why? Did Uncle Ben sign somewhere else? Did I miss the story where he interviewed somewhere else? Did I miss the story that says MU is not interested in him.
Respect the process! :)
Settle down. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be a good sign if we ignored Ben for a week after he floated his name to the press immediately after Buzz left.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
I have never been involved in higher a high-major basketball coach, but it would seem very imprudent to simply focus on one guy and not have multiple conversations going. I have to imagine that the agents for all the potential candidates have a sense of where MU's head is at and how that impacts their client.
I agree. However MU in the last few days has announced their president and their interim AD. All while courting Smart and anticipating hiring him. I think its reasonable to assume they were busy.
Everything you say is 100% true. He is the only choice. No other candidate is fit to smell his farts. End this mummer's farce and bring the True Coach to MU.
Quote from: Sharpie on March 28, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Pretty sure atk13thst has proved time and again, he doesn't know much about college basketball or the marquette program.
I think atk13thst has shown that he/she has an open mind and is willing to consider several different points of view. The hallmarks of a supple mind.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 28, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
Hope it's not Howland. Much of his appeal was he won at UCLA. Pretty easy to recruit to UCLA. Can he recruit to Milwaukee (some say he did OK in Pitts). At 56 does he have that fire to recruit hard that it will require? Been described as not a players coach and not overly-liked in the coaching community? Style of play not overly interesting as well to recruits or fans...
A lot of $$$ for what may initially be a splash hire that may not have the ROI down the road...
Source - my humble opinion :)
but no to Wardle too - had to get that in there as well
Yeah, he did "OK" at Pitt. Took the program from BE mid-level to 2 BETs and 2 Sweet Sixteens in his third and fourth years. I'd take that kind of "OK."
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
I agree. However MU in the last few days has announced their president and their interim AD. All while courting Smart and anticipating hiring him. I think its reasonable to assume they were busy.
No, they were letting Smart play them.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 28, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
No, they were letting Smart play them.
However it played out. They were busy.
Ben doesn't pass the sniff test
Not saying it won't happen. But I can understand why the administration is hesitant.
Stupidity.
Blunt force stupidity.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 28, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Ben doesn't pass the sniff test
What do back-to-back-to-back Final Fours smell like? I'd imagine like bacon, which certainly passes my sniff test.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 28, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
What do back-to-back-to-back Final Fours smell like? I'd imagine like bacon, which certainly passes my sniff test.
Calipari has a national championship. Does he pass your sniff test?
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
I hate to be the first to say it but if he aint our coach by now then IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
You add nothing to this board.
Quote from: Sharpie on March 28, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Pretty sure atk13thst has proved time and again, he doesn't know much about college basketball or the marquette program.
No kidding.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 28, 2014, 12:56:17 PM
Calipari has a national championship. Does he pass your sniff test?
He has a NC...for now
Quote from: chapman on March 28, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
No other candidate is fit to smell his farts. End this mummer's farce and bring the True Coach to MU.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GBY_RgRKf6g/TwCNHHxRS2I/AAAAAAAAELA/UaeUt9TsQLM/s1600/mummers3.jpg)
(http://theinterrobang.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/filtered-excellence-mummers.jpg)
(http://tribwphl.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shooting-stars-2013-mummers-parade-7.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8KejLs5TaHE/TwFVo2HUzXI/AAAAAAAAB04/jkCSvEoJBwg/s1600/mummer17.jpg)
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 28, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
Been described as not a players coach and not overly-liked in the coaching community? Style of play not overly interesting as well to recruits or fans...
I don't know. We've been saying this about that coach out in Dane County. He's doing well, isn't he.
Quote from: keefe on March 28, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GBY_RgRKf6g/TwCNHHxRS2I/AAAAAAAAELA/UaeUt9TsQLM/s1600/mummers3.jpg)
(http://theinterrobang.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/filtered-excellence-mummers.jpg)
(http://tribwphl.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shooting-stars-2013-mummers-parade-7.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8KejLs5TaHE/TwFVo2HUzXI/AAAAAAAAB04/jkCSvEoJBwg/s1600/mummer17.jpg)
Keefe--from the pictures they all look the same to me. Which guy are you advocating to hire. And please do not post a picture of a hot Israeli babe, eve though she might be a great recruiter.
Quote from: keefe on March 28, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GBY_RgRKf6g/TwCNHHxRS2I/AAAAAAAAELA/UaeUt9TsQLM/s1600/mummers3.jpg)
(http://theinterrobang.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/filtered-excellence-mummers.jpg)
(http://tribwphl.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shooting-stars-2013-mummers-parade-7.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8KejLs5TaHE/TwFVo2HUzXI/AAAAAAAAB04/jkCSvEoJBwg/s1600/mummer17.jpg)
I figured it out!
Those are pictures from a Mummers Parade.
The parade is held in Philadelphia every New Year's Day.
The University of Philadelphia's basketball team is known as the Rams.
The VCU basketball team is also known as the Rams.
So Shaka is still in the mix!
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 28, 2014, 11:54:33 AM
If our goal is to make a splash hire (especially after the SS debacle), why would we consider hiring anyone other than Howland?
He's done nothing but win and recruit great talent. I just don't get why we'd consider Martin and others over him.
No one we're talking to outside of him can show potential recruits:
- 3 Final Four's
- 15 plus players sent to the NBA (most of them 1st round picks)
Can someone please tell me ? It just makes zero sense to not pick him.
1. Is the goal to make a splash hire or hire the best coach for the job? Prez and AD may not think BH is the best coach for the job for some known or unknown reasons. Howland could very well be our next coach, but I certainly hope he doesn't get the job just because MU wanted to make a splash. I don't want to be the NY Jets of the BEast.
2. There could be several reasons to believe that his past success isn't necessarily an indicator of future performance. None of us have any idea what criteria MU is really looking at for the next coach, but there could be several factors that lead the admin to believe that his future will not be as bright as his past.
Was down on Howland after people kept referencing the lengthy SI story. But with hours of time freed up not internet-stalking Shaka, I read it, and was surprised. Basically, Howland is a fantastic coach and helps talent win. He's not interested in babysitting, holding team dinners, offering life lessons or waxing philosophical about the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. He's interested in winning basketball games. He won big games with talent. When a couple of bad apples came in and started partying in Hollywood, things started going south. Marquette is ready for a no-nonsense winner and I'm confident he would be a good fit for the culture and players here.
But when you recruit college kids you have to impose discipline or they will run wild..........The SI article was damning...he didn't hold people accountable.......That will not fly at MU
Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 28, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Was down on Howland after people kept referencing the lengthy SI story. But with hours of time freed up not internet-stalking Shaka, I read it, and was surprised. Basically, Howland is a fantastic coach and helps talent win. He's not interested in babysitting, holding team dinners, offering life lessons or waxing philosophical about the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. He's interested in winning basketball games. He won big games with talent. When a couple of bad apples came in and started partying in Hollywood, things started going south. Marquette is ready for a no-nonsense winner and I'm confident he would be a good fit for the culture and players here.
Bullseye.
Quote from: MuMark on March 28, 2014, 02:53:34 PM
But when you recruit college kids you have to impose discipline or they will run wild..........The SI article was damning...he didn't hold people accountable.......That will not fly at MU
Fifteen years of his coaching history says the SI article may have been a little one sided.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 28, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
You add nothing to this board.
No kidding.
I just speak my mind. If I offend anyone then they need a life. I'm NOT an expert I'm only a fan, sir. If you/anyone dont like the things I say then there is an ignore button on here. Please use it. I love everyone's perspective on things involving this team, im not gonna disrespect anyone because I think they are wrong. Im blunt, fair and very open minded if you really wanna know if im "worthy" of being on this board, sir. Moving right along>>>>>>
Howland clearly made some mistakes at UCLA and lost control of his team, but maybe he has learned from those experiences. I also think that the type of player that lead to problems at UCLA is the guy who is good enough to get recruited there but is going for all the wrong reasons - basically fame, girls, partying in LA, etc. That player probably doesn't go to Marquette.
Quote from: keefe on March 28, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GBY_RgRKf6g/TwCNHHxRS2I/AAAAAAAAELA/UaeUt9TsQLM/s1600/mummers3.jpg)
(http://theinterrobang.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/filtered-excellence-mummers.jpg)
(http://tribwphl.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shooting-stars-2013-mummers-parade-7.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8KejLs5TaHE/TwFVo2HUzXI/AAAAAAAAB04/jkCSvEoJBwg/s1600/mummer17.jpg)
You were at the Halloween parade in NYC? Never figured yo for that kind of guy :D
I think Counzo Martin is the next coach. I'm all in for Howland or Martin to be honest.
I believe Howland is out...if he was ever in.
I'm looking for Martin to get the gig. My sleeper is Danny Manning.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 28, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
I believe Howland is out...if he was ever in.
I'm looking for Martin to get the gig. My sleeper is Danny Manning.
Manning would be a good pick, but like Wardle, he is not ready, using the logic of the Wardle bashers.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 28, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
Manning would be a good pick, but like Wardle, he is not ready, using the logic of the Wardle bashers.
Manning was an assistant under Bill Self at Kansas. He is ready. Hurley would be intriguing...
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Why? Did Uncle Ben sign somewhere else? Did I miss the story where he interviewed somewhere else? Did I miss the story that says MU is not interested in him.
Respect the process! :)
According to my "source", UNLV is after Shaka and Ben. Once they hear what MU's offer was to Shaka, I am pretty sure they will go full press on Ben... so yes, I think it is safe to say the clock is ticking with Ben.
P.S. I am my source [and got it from Twitter... another highly reputable source].
If UNLV's Dave Rice leaves for SFU Howland & Reggie Theus are in play. Theus was the other finalist when Rice got the job and is immensely popular in Vegas. My gut feeling is that Rice gets an extension and stays. He has a top recruiting class coming in next season. This eliminates one potential job for Howland.
some local LV tweets: (Kunzer-Murphy is UNLV's AD)
edgraney @edgraney 34m
Source: Kunzer-Murphy has been contacted by others on behalf of more than 15 coaches (mostly head coaches) already today. Some huge names.
edgraney @edgraney 37m
Source confirms that if UNLV extends Dave Rice, he will likely stay. He wants extra $$ put back into the program, not for his pockets.
edgraney @edgraney 39m
Rice and UNLV AD Tina Kunzer-Murphy to meet tonight. Decision either way should come fast.
edgraney @edgraney 40m
Money is big from South Florida offer, but Rice wanting more years on UNLV deal more than anything.
edgraney @edgraney 41m
... an academic advisor specifically for basketball (he shares one with baseball now) and other improvements he feels program needs.
how much does an academic advisor make...i can't believe that's a bargaining emphasis. seems like he'd get as many as he wants.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 28, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Was down on Howland after people kept referencing the lengthy SI story. But with hours of time freed up not internet-stalking Shaka, I read it, and was surprised. Basically, Howland is a fantastic coach and helps talent win. He's not interested in babysitting, holding team dinners, offering life lessons or waxing philosophical about the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. He's interested in winning basketball games. He won big games with talent. When a couple of bad apples came in and started partying in Hollywood, things started going south. Marquette is ready for a no-nonsense winner and I'm confident he would be a good fit for the culture and players here.
Bingo! Let one of the assistants worry about the discipline.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 03:22:30 PM
I just speak my mind. If I offend anyone then they need a life. I'm NOT an expert I'm only a fan, sir. If you/anyone dont like the things I say then there is an ignore button on here. Please use it. I love everyone's perspective on things involving this team, im not gonna disrespect anyone because I think they are wrong. Im blunt, fair and very open minded if you really wanna know if im "worthy" of being on this board, sir. Moving right along>>>>>>
My advice; read more and post less. Kind of like, open your ears and close your mouth. I learn more on this site than I contribute and I don't have a probelm admitting that. Just my loose change
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 06:35:09 PM
Manning was an assistant under Bill Self at Kansas. He is ready. Hurley would be intriguing...
wardle was an asst. under Crean, so he is ready.
My two cents on Howland:
Seems like a better fit than he is. He sort of let the inmates run the asylum in Westwood. We kind of did that with the last coach.
Does anyone know how much Howland would want, and for how long? From what I understand he contacted Marquette, and I'm guessing he provided some numbers. Maybe it's some crazy amount for 15 years.