What a strange fanbase. While many on here are all-in on Ben ("HIRE HOWLAND NOW!"), it seems as though the UCLA fans still have a distaste for him even though Steve Alford hasn't done anything to prove he's a better option. I personally think Alford is a bum of a coach, and Howland's record speaks for itself... And yet I read comments on twitter to the effect of "UCLA picked the wrong night night to play like Howland is still coaching." 3 straight Final Fours... I don't get these people.
In any case, does anyone on here know the knocks on Howland (however fair or unfair they might be)? Just wondering in case he's on his way to Milwaukee.
UCLA fans often don't really know much about UCLA basketball, not all of them, but there are a lot of UCLA fans in general so you will hear a ton of nonsense.
I'll just say it.
They are just like Laker fans.
Despite having a lot of success with Buzz this board will be putting up the exact same types of comments about him next year. It's just the nature of sports fandom and what have you done for me lately.
Well being a Laker fan myself I will reluctantly agree with that assessment.
Read the Wisconsin boards in January when the Badgers were struggling and predictions of them not making the tournament, Ryan should retire, etc....
fandom
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 08:23:03 AM
Read the Wisconsin boards in January when the Badgers wee struggling and redictions of them not making the tournament, Ryan should retire, etc....
fandom
Chicos,
Is this the first year Ryan beats a higher seed? I think AZ could be tough on the Badgers tomorrow night. Baylor looked to be a cakewalk the first second the match-up was set. A zone against UW? Really? come on now...
UCLA has a fair weather fanbase that only cares if the team is making final fours or winning national championships. Not their fault, its LA and Wooden set an impossible standard.
Quote from: JimmyBuckets on March 28, 2014, 08:11:35 AM
What a strange fanbase. While many on here are all-in on Ben ("HIRE HOWLAND NOW!"), it seems as though the UCLA fans still have a distaste for him even though Steve Alford hasn't done anything to prove he's a better option. I personally think Alford is a bum of a coach, and Howland's record speaks for itself... And yet I read comments on twitter to the effect of "UCLA picked the wrong night night to play like Howland is still coaching." 3 straight Final Fours... I don't get these people.
In any case, does anyone on here know the knocks on Howland (however fair or unfair they might be)? Just wondering in case he's on his way to Milwaukee.
Easy to explain. His last name isn't "Wooden".
Quote from: Jet915 on March 28, 2014, 08:28:06 AM
UCLA Los Angeles has a fair weather fanbase that only cares if the team is their teams are making final fours or winning national championships.
FTFY
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 08:23:03 AM
Read the Wisconsin boards in January when the Badgers wee struggling and redictions of them not making the tournament, Ryan should retire, etc....
fandom
exactly. crean was mostly loved, now totally hated. buzz will be the same thing (though i think a little less as our egos feel better if we say he was forced out). shaka was god, now he's an arrogant jerk who supports obama.
i think tomorrow's game is huge for bo's legacy. if he wins he finally breaks into the final four club where everyone who has experienced his level of regular season success has visited. if he fails to do so he'll continue to be consistently impressive in the regular season, while consistently underachieving in the ncaa tourney. i think i saw first elite eight since 2005 for UW...that shocked me.
so did we hire howland yet? i'm ready.
I thought last year, when he was fired. Besides not working with alumni, most thought he didn't engage his players very well. In the few games I watched, one with Walton commentating, he made some comment to the effect, the players don't even listen to him.
No idea, but I remember last year reading something about this and also remember the Walton comment on a late game mid-season.
Quote from: StCroix64 on March 28, 2014, 08:53:04 AM
I thought last year, when he was fired. Besides not working with alumni, most thought he didn't engage his players very well. In the few games I watched, one with Walton commentating, he made some comment to the effect, the players don't even listen to him.
No idea, but I remember last year reading something about this and also remember the Walton comment on a late game mid-season.
Walton is a tool.
The father of Shabazz Muhammad was just sentenced to 37 months in prison for a mortgage fraud scheme. Looks like he was scamming for over a decade.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/father-nba-player-shabazz-muhammad-gets-prison-time-mortgage-fraud-scheme
Father of NBA player Shabazz Muhammad gets prison time in mortgage fraud scheme
By JEFF GERMAN LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL March 27, 2014 - 12:13pm
Ronald Holmes, the father of NBA player Shabazz Muhammad, was sentenced in Las Vegas to 37 months in federal prison Thursday in a $2.5 million mortgage fraud scheme.
His 21-year-old son, a Bishop Gorman High School graduate, plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Senior U.S. District Judge Larry Hicks also ordered Holmes to pay roughly $1.7 million in restitution and serve five years of probation and perform 1,000 hours of community service after he gets out of prison.
He gave Holmes until May 30 to surrender to federal prison authorities.
Holmes 51, who pleaded guilty in December to one felony count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud, apologized to Hicks for his conduct.
"I want to express my regret that I participated in this behavior," he said. "I will never do it again."
In court papers, San Diego defense lawyer Michael Lipman had sought a lighter sentence, urging Hicks to consider his client's long record of volunteer work for underprivileged children.
Holmes, a volunteer assistant basketball coach at Bishop Gorman, has "worked tirelessly" the past 16 years to help at-risk youth in Las Vegas and has been a devoted father to his three children, all of whom have excelled in sports, Lipman wrote.
"Mr. Holmes is ashamed that at the very time when his children should be focused on their success, they must endure public embarrassment over his conduct," Lipman said.
Holmes' youngest son, Rashad Muhammad, plays basketball for San Jose State and his daughter, Asia Muhammad, is a professional tennis player.
Lipman asked for a prison term of 366 days and 2,500 to 3,000 hours of community service for Holmes.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel Schiess, however, pushed for the 37-month prison sentence, arguing in court papers that Holmes is a repeat mortgage fraud offender who has not learned a lesson from his past mistakes.
Schiess argued that Holmes also has exploited the good fortune of Shabazz Muhammad.
He said Holmes told the FBI in March 2013, that he had been living off a loan tied to his son's projected earnings as a top NBA prospect. At the time, Muhammad was attending UCLA and later was drafted as a No. 1 pick by the Timberwolves.
Schiess accused Holmes of using his children and community work to "talk his way into a lighter sentence."
On Thursday, Hicks sided with Schiess in handing out the tougher sentence, telling Holmes he was "troubled" by his criminal past.
Holmes pleaded guilty in Southern California in 1999 to using fraudulent bank statements to obtain mortgages. He was sentenced to probation and ordered to pay about $78,000 in restitution.
In May, a Las Vegas federal grand jury indictment alleged that Holmes and his partners obtained mortgage loans by "fraudulent means" to buy houses from 2006 to 2009.
Holmes and his co-conspirators spent loan proceeds on themselves and lived in some of the houses, according to the indictment. In one instance, bankruptcy petitions were filed to stall foreclosure on a house so that Holmes could continue to stay there.
The indictment listed at least three Las Vegas properties, valued at roughly $2.5 million, alleged to have been unlawfully obtained in the scheme.
Holmes was accused of recruiting straw buyers and supplying false information to financial institutions to help the straw buyers obtain the mortgages.
Contact reporter Jeff German at jgerman@reviewjournal.com or 702-380-8135. Follow him on Twitter @JGermanRJ.
Quote from: StCroix64 on March 28, 2014, 08:53:04 AM
I thought last year, when he was fired. Besides not working with alumni, most thought he didn't engage his players very well. In the few games I watched, one with Walton commentating, he made some comment to the effect, the players don't even listen to him.
No idea, but I remember last year reading something about this and also remember the Walton comment on a late game mid-season.
The end of last season was pretty bad, as UCLA had only eight players available for the Pac 12 and NCAA tournament (injuries also contributed). Howland had lost eleven players to transfer and did not make a Sweet 16 over his last five seasons.
Quote from: Havoc@MU on March 28, 2014, 09:25:32 AM
The end of last season was pretty bad, as UCLA had only eight players available for the Pac 12 and NCAA tournament (injuries also contributed). Howland had lost eleven players to transfer and did not make a Sweet 16 over his last five seasons.
Buzz lost 13 players to transfer over six years (not counting Christopherson and Mbakwe).
Dave Singleton
Patrick Hazel
Youssoupha Mbao
Brett Roseboro
Liam McMorrow
Jeronne Maymom
Reggie Smith
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Jameel McKay
Garrett Swanson
TJ Taylor
Jamal Ferguson
Quote from: Havoc@MU on March 28, 2014, 09:25:32 AM
The end of last season was pretty bad, as UCLA had only eight players available for the Pac 12 and NCAA tournament (injuries also contributed). Howland had lost eleven players to transfer and did not make a Sweet 16 over his last five seasons.
Story from a close friend and UCLA alum/fan:
Howland played his tough/defensive style of ball the first several years, recruiting the players he wanted. That got him 3 Pac-12 Championships, 5 NCAA bids and 3 Final Fours in his first 6 years.
The UCLA money fans didn't like the style of play, and were disappointed that they "only" made it to the Final Four those three years. As a result, the $$$ (and hence UCLA leadership) "encouraged" Ben to go after more "showtime" players, and let them play the style of ball that would get them to Westwood (i.e., do whatever the hell they wanted). Howland gave in - his one true "mistake" in the whole mess - brought in players the boosters wanted, and things unraveled from there.
IMHO, Howland learned from his experience to stick with what he knows and succeeds at - recruit his kind of hard working kids who play tough defense, and coach his style of ball. I think that would play just fine at MU...given his success in 4 years at Pitt and his first 6 years at UCLA.
I say hire him NOW!
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 28, 2014, 10:44:07 AM
Story from a close friend and UCLA alum/fan:
Howland played his tough/defensive style of ball the first several years, recruiting the players he wanted. That got him 3 Pac-12 Championships, 5 NCAA bids and 3 Final Fours in his first 6 years.
The UCLA money fans didn't like the style of play, and were disappointed that they "only" made it to the Final Four those three years. As a result, the $$$ (and hence UCLA leadership) "encouraged" Ben to go after more "showtime" players, and let them play the style of ball that would get them to Westwood (i.e., do whatever the hell they wanted). Howland gave in - his one true "mistake" in the whole mess - brought in players the boosters wanted, and things unraveled from there.
IMHO, Howland learned from his experience to stick with what he knows and succeeds at - recruit his kind of hard working kids who play tough defense, and coach his style of ball. I think that would play just fine at MU...given his success in 4 years at Pitt and his first 6 years at UCLA.
I say hire him NOW!
This is exactly what my UCLA friend said. He still has a love/hate relationship with Howland, but he admitted that if Howland went back to his Pitt/early UCLA style, he'd flourish at Marquette.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 28, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
This is exactly what my UCLA friend said. He still has a love/hate relationship with Howland, but he admitted that if Howland went back to his Pitt/early UCLA style, he'd flourish at Marquette.
And I think the great majority MU fans would be fine with that. He wouldn't have to replicate his UCLA success to be considered a success here. Do what he did his last couple of years at Pitt (57 wins, two Sweet 16s) and most of us would be thrilled.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Buzz lost 13 players to transfer over six years (not counting Christopherson and Mbakwe).
Dave Singleton
Patrick Hazel
Youssoupha Mbao
Brett Roseboro
Liam McMorrow
Jeronne Maymom
Reggie Smith
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Jameel McKay
Garrett Swanson
TJ Taylor
Jamal Ferguson
Maymon turned out to be the best. How ironic lol
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 10:58:01 AM
Maymon turned out to be the best. How ironic lol
The only real irony is that he did it playing the 5.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 28, 2014, 11:00:50 AM
The only real irony is that he did it playing the 5.
True, but I call it like I see it. Unlike others I have no hard feelings against the guy.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
True, but I call it like I see it. Unlike others I have no hard feelings against the guy.
I think most of the angst was directed toward Maymon's dad, as he was the one who pretty much decided Jeronne should transfer.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
True, but I call it like I see it. Unlike others I have no hard feelings against the guy.
I guess what I am saying is I don't get how there is irony there. The only person the board was mad at was his father. I know that I personally, and most of Scoop, knew that the real issue was his dad. I cheered for his success and hoped that the mistakes of the father didn't hurt the son.
Quote from: Norm on March 28, 2014, 11:06:42 AM
I think most of the angst was directed toward Maymon's dad, as he was the one who pretty much decided Jeronne should transfer.
I think getting away from his old man is what allowed JMay to develop and flourish.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Buzz lost 13 players to transfer over six years (not counting Christopherson and Mbakwe).
Dave Singleton
Patrick Hazel
Youssoupha Mbao
Brett Roseboro
Liam McMorrow
Jeronne Maymom
Reggie Smith
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Jameel McKay
Garrett Swanson
TJ Taylor
Jamal Ferguson
Duly noted.
I was not arguing that it was better/worse than Buzz's transfer history, just pointing out it was a potential contributing factor in his departure from UCLA.
Quote from: Havoc@MU on March 28, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Duly noted.
I was not arguing that it was better/worse than Buzz's transfer history, just pointing out it was a potential contributing factor in his departure from UCLA.
I agree that the transfers hurt Howland.
I'm not arguing Ben vs Buzz, just pointing out that transfers are pretty common and that we shouldn't necessarily be nervous about Howland because he had lots of kids transfer.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Chicos,
Is this the first year Ryan beats a higher seed? I think AZ could be tough on the Badgers tomorrow night. Baylor looked to be a cakewalk the first second the match-up was set. A zone against UW? Really? come on now...
They have beaten a higher seed before. Most fans don't care how you get there, just that you get there. I get it, its been a bullet I've used against Vadger fans often. Hell, they could have easily lost to Oregon, but the Ducks didn't put them away.
Baylor did not play well, a lot of that was because of how well Wisconsin did play.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
They have beaten a higher seed before. Most fans don't care how you get there, just that you get there. I get it, its been a bullet I've used against Vadger fans often. Hell, they could have easily lost to Oregon, but the Ducks didn't put them away.
Baylor did not play well, a lot of that was because of how well Wisconsin did play.
Once in 13 years!
In reading this board over the years, it was a pretty consistent notion that Maymon's Dad was the issue, not the kid himself. Overall, posters who seemed to have inside knowledge portrayed him well. I've been rooting for him to do well based on how he's been portrayed on this site.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on March 28, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
In reading this board over the years, it was a pretty consistent notion that Maymon's Dad was the issue, not the kid himself. Overall, posters who seemed to have inside knowledge portrayed him well. I've been rooting for him to do well based on how he's been portrayed on this site.
Most of the negative stuff was from Badger fans shortly after he chose MU.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 28, 2014, 12:25:15 PM
Once in 13 years!
Yup. Of course they have also gone to the NCAAs EVERY year he has coached there. By my count, 18 wins, 11 losses in the Ryan era. 6 Sweet 16's, 2 Elite 8's.
For a guy playing with a bunch of traditional players that people on this board have ripped their style, slowness, lack of athletic ability for years.....they seem to be doing just fine.
Let's also not forget the beating a higher seed argument often comes by chance of where you are seeded. If most of the higher seeds you are playing are 1 through 4, that's different than if they are 5 through 10.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Buzz lost 13 players to transfer over six years (not counting Christopherson and Mbakwe).
Dave Singleton
Patrick Hazel
Youssoupha Mbao
Brett Roseboro
Liam McMorrow
Jeronne Maymom
Reggie Smith
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Jameel McKay
Garrett Swanson
TJ Taylor
Jamal Ferguson
A lotta swings and misses on that list, aina?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Buzz lost 13 players to transfer over six years (not counting Christopherson and Mbakwe).
Dave Singleton
Patrick Hazel
Youssoupha Mbao
Brett Roseboro
Liam McMorrow
Jeronne Maymom
Reggie Smith
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Jameel McKay
Garrett Swanson
TJ Taylor
Jamal Ferguson
This is not a calling out post or anything. But I think it is funny that only one of those players ended up playing meaningful minutes at a high major. Maybe two if McKay does well for Hoiberg
If you think the only reason Howland was fired was because of unreasonable UCLA fans, I think you are WAY oversimplifying it.
It may happen but I understand the admin being hesitant.
Doesn't pass the sniff test.
Source: IMHO
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 28, 2014, 12:52:50 PM
This is not a calling out post or anything. But I think it is funny that only one of those players ended up playing meaningful minutes at a high major. Maybe two if McKay does well for Hoiberg
Maymon (Tennessee), Mbakwe (Minnesota) and Reggie Smith (UNLV) all played meaningful minutes at a high major.
Though it's probably safe to say the reason most of these guys transferred because they were not high major players.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 28, 2014, 12:52:50 PM
This is not a calling out post or anything. But I think it is funny that only one of those players ended up playing meaningful minutes at a high major. Maybe two if McKay does well for Hoiberg
Which can also mean, poor recruiting originally when we signed them.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
They have beaten a higher seed before. Most fans don't care how you get there, just that you get there. I get it, its been a bullet I've used against Vadger fans often. Hell, they could have easily lost to Oregon, but the Ducks didn't put them away.
Baylor did not play well, a lot of that was because of how well Wisconsin did play.
We could have easily lost to Davidson, but they couldn't put MU away.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Maymon (Tennessee), Mbakwe (Minnesota) and Reggie Smith (UNLV) all played meaningful minutes at a high major.
Though it's probably safe to say the reason most of these guys transferred because they were not high major players.
Maymon yes.
Mbakwe wasn't on the list.
Smith could not crack the rotation at UNLV so he transferred to Eastern Illinois.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
Yup. Of course they have also gone to the NCAAs EVERY year he has coached there. By my count, 18 wins, 11 losses in the Ryan era. 6 Sweet 16's, 2 Elite 8's.
For a guy playing with a bunch of traditional players that people on this board have ripped their style, slowness, lack of athletic ability for years.....they seem to be doing just fine.
Let's also not forget the beating a higher seed argument often comes by chance of where you are seeded. If most of the higher seeds you are playing are 1 through 4, that's different than if they are 5 through 10.
I am DEFINITELY NOT a UW fan, but I respect them a lot. They've been to the tourney every year under Ryan. Think about that. Plus 3 under Bennett and Soderburg. That's 16 consecutive years. Schools like Kentucky, UNC, and UCLA can't make that claim. Plus, they've had remarkable stability. When was the last time you heard Ryan's name come up in a job search? Never. Sure, they can be slow and boring to watch at times. But they're extremely well coached and smart...for just one example, you never see a Ryan team commit stupid fouls 40 feet from the hoop. I see MU do that multiple times a game.
Maybe I'm just worn out from this crazy week, but I'm going to admit it....UW is inching into premier job territory. Excellent school. Powerful conference. Sell-outs every game. Close proximity to Chicago, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis prep talent.
Right now, I envy their situation.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
Yup. Of course they have also gone to the NCAAs EVERY year he has coached there. By my count, 18 wins, 11 losses in the Ryan era. 6 Sweet 16's, 2 Elite 8's.
For a guy playing with a bunch of traditional players that people on this board have ripped their style, slowness, lack of athletic ability for years.....they seem to be doing just fine.
Let's also not forget the beating a higher seed argument often comes by chance of where you are seeded. If most of the higher seeds you are playing are 1 through 4, that's different than if they are 5 through 10.
You sound like a Badger season ticket holder. Right off their talking points.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 28, 2014, 01:08:03 PM
I am DEFINITELY NOT a UW fan, but I respect them a lot. They've been to the tourney every year under Ryan. Think about that. Plus 3 under Bennett and Soderburg. That's 16 consecutive years. Schools like Kentucky, UNC, and UCLA can't make that claim. Plus, they've had remarkable stability. When was the last time you heard Ryan's name come up in a job search? Never. Sure, they can be slow and boring to watch at times. But they're extremely well coached and smart...for just one example, you never see a Ryan team commit stupid fouls 40 feet from the hoop. I see MU do that multiple times a game.
Maybe I'm just worn out from this crazy week, but I'm going to admit it....UW is inching into premier job territory. Excellent school. Powerful conference. Sell-outs every game. Close proximity to Chicago, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis prep talent.
Right now, I envy their situation.
The program is run by Ryan. Not saying that it will implode when he leaves. But when they have to replace Bo, it will be every bit as important to them as it is to us. And there is no guarantee that they make the right choice.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 28, 2014, 01:14:17 PM
You sound like a Badger season ticket holder. Right off their talking points.
You don't have to like UW, but to deny their success is ridiculous.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 28, 2014, 01:14:17 PM
You sound like a Badger season ticket holder. Right off their talking points.
I sound like someone who knows what they are talking about and I don't let my prejudices blind my comments about their success.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
I sound like someone who knows what they are talking about and I don't let my prejudices blind my comments about their success.
They have been very successful, yet there have been a lot of people on this board who preferred Buzz over Bo by a wide margin. I suspect most of those are the same ones that rejected and sneered at Dayton coming into the BEast.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
I sound like someone who knows what they are talking about and I don't let my prejudices blind my comments about their success.
Not a Badger hater. For a Marquette fan to spin Bo's NCAA record positively is ridiculous. (I hope I don't need to reiterate his results vs. his seeding)
Don't get me wrong. It is not a surprise coming from you, but this may be the most ludicrous stretch you've ever made.
I didn't know much about Bo Ryan's lineage to become Head Coach at UW. I just looked it up. Very impressive. Makes me respect the guy a lot more than I have in the past. Not a UW hater by any means (I'm not from Wisconsin), but it looks like Bo did things the right way.
Ryan=one hell of a coach.
We should be so fortunate with our next hire.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 28, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
Not a Badger hater. For a Marquette fan to spin Bo's NCAA record positively is ridiculous. (I hope I don't need to reiterate his results vs. his seeding)
Don't get me wrong. It is not a surprise coming from you, but this may be the most ludicrous stretch you've ever made.
This is insane. How on earth can you not recognize 16 consecutive NCAA tourneys—and 13 consecutive with the same coach??? How is that anything but positive? There's no "spin" needed.
MU wishes it had that kind of sustained excellence and stability.
I'm not a UW fan, but posts like yours may turn me into one.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 28, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
Not a Badger hater. For a Marquette fan to spin Bo's NCAA record positively is ridiculous. (I hope I don't need to reiterate his results vs. his seeding)
Don't get me wrong. It is not a surprise coming from you, but this may be the most ludicrous stretch you've ever made.
Wow, just wow.
I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did. You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed any other MU grads that dared to question it. You seem to have went to the MU that wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN. All for mother alma mater.
Wow, just wow.
Ignored
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
Wow, just wow.
I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did. You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed anyone other MU grads that dared to question it. You seem to have went to the MU that doesn't wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN. All for mother alma mater.
Wow, just wow.
Ignored
+1 you know me chicos, (RBSC), this is the nonsense that got me to bail as a participant on this board and just be a reader several years ago. i'm wondering why i came back.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
The program is run by Ryan. Not saying that it will implode when he leaves. But when they have to replace Bo, it will be every bit as important to them as it is to us. And there is no guarantee that they make the right choice.
Difference is, as a public school they will ALWAYS have the resources to bounce back after a bad hire or two. Doesn't take much for a private school like Marquette to drop into oblivion for near-permanently.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 28, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
Difference is, as a public school they will ALWAYS have the resources to bounce back after a bad hire or two. Doesn't take much for a private school like Marquette to drop into oblivion for near-permanently.
It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.
Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.
+1
At this point, anyone who truly believes that MU will just fall into mid-major status is just insecure. MU is too committed to bball to drop to that level. Now, the wrong hire combined with other circumstances could cause a pretty significant setback, but MU won't be down forever.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
Wow, just wow.
I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did. You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed any other MU grads that dared to question it. You seem to have went to the MU that wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN. All for mother alma mater.
Wow, just wow.
Ignored
Not sure how you go from commenting on Bo's NCAA tourney record to turning a blind eye to sexual assault. Go back to PHIL001. Look up "non sequitir". I know from past posts you failed PHIL001.
You are the one spinning Bo's NCAA record. Look at it. It's pretty weak.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 02:13:45 PM
+1
At this point, anyone who truly believes that MU will just fall into mid-major status is just insecure. MU is too committed to bball to drop to that level. Now, the wrong hire combined with other circumstances could cause a pretty significant setback, but MU won't be down forever.
It can take years to recover from a significant setback. In order to reach high major status, we needed a succession of good coaches and top shelf talent. It didn't happen overnight. However, the decline happened over the lifetime of a single administration...D'Ulio, et al. By the time I graduated in 1987 Marquette basketball was a joke...
It took KO, (slight detour in Deane), Crean and yes...Buzz, to get the program to today. It's not a perfectly smooth trajectory.
Quote from: thekahoona on March 28, 2014, 02:28:12 PM
It can take years to recover from a significant setback. In order to reach high major status, we needed a succession of good coaches and top shelf talent. It didn't happen overnight. However, the decline happened over the lifetime of a single administration...D'Ulio, et al. By the time I graduated in 1987 Marquette basketball was a joke...
We're already at high major status.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
We're already at high major status.
You missed my point. Our high-major status was lost in the course of a single administration in the 80's. It took more than 20 years to get it back.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
We're already at high major status.
Depends who you ask. Out here on the West Coast, a lot of sports fans think the new Big East is basically the same as the A-10. Once Syracuse, ND, Pitt, and Louisville took off, the NBE dropped dangerously close to mid-major status. To the majority, the only conferences that matter are the PAC-12, SEC, Big 10, ACC, and Big VII.
Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.
I dunno... we seemed to do so pretty quickly after Al left...
Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.
I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...). I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink.
People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.
Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think.
Quote from: thekahoona on March 28, 2014, 02:35:49 PM
You missed my point. Our high-major status was lost in the course of a single administration in the 80's. It took more than 20 years to get it back.
So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 03:01:00 PM
So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.
MUSF, I was there in 1987 and one can make a case that 20 years is about right. Open to argument but not an out of the question statement.
Quote from: humanlung on March 28, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...). I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink.
People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.
Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think.
I was there as well, and echo your statements. I'm just glad cell phones with cameras didn't exist back then....or social media.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 28, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
I was there as well, and echo your statements. I'm just glad cell phones with cameras didn't exist back then....or social media.
Remember the five man recruiting class that couldn't gain admission?
You guys are talking about the coaching search being embarrassing...
Quote from: humanlung on March 28, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...). I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink.
People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.
Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think.
I guess it depends on one's idea of obscurity, but it's going to take more than one bad hire to undo the success of the last 10 years.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 03:01:00 PM
So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.
To humanlung's point above, perhaps I am exaggerating a little bit. However, I remember that even during the 2003 FF run, these boards would blow up when a reporter had the temerity to call us a mid-major.
So as to smooth your ruffled feathers, let me add the qualifier
"consistent" to high-major level - in which nary a reporter would ever refer to the MU program, mistaken or otherwise, as mid-major.
Bottom line, we
consistently sucked in the mid to late 80's and it was a long road to come back from it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 28, 2014, 02:36:46 PM
Depends who you ask. Out here on the West Coast, a lot of sports fans think the new Big East is basically the same as the A-10. Once Syracuse, ND, Pitt, and Louisville took off, the NBE dropped dangerously close to mid-major status. To the majority, the only conferences that matter are the PAC-12, SEC, Big 10, ACC, and Big VII.
That correlates with football, and if you are a football fan no doubt that his what one will think. Not surprising at all IMO. Not much MU can do about that, we made our bed in 1960.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
Twice....and they can win it all
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