http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/
This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013). I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money. Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc. However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka). It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary. It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....
Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach. The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland. Hopefully that train hasn't left the station. The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.
I too hope we haven't crossed the rubicon.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/
This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013). I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money. Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc. However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka). It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary. It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....
Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach. The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland. Hopefully that train hasn't left the station. The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.
There are actually three things that it is about:
1. Money
2. Money
3. $$$$$$$$$$$
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
There are actually three things that it is about:
1. Money
2. Money
3. $$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly. As Joe Pesci said in Casino: "It's always about the f--king dollars."
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
There are actually three things that it is about:
1. Money
2. Money
3. $$$$$$$$$$$
I think Brent proved that to not be the case, at least not when it comes to retaining coaches.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run. Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver. Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there. So it isn't always about the money in my view. For some people, it's always about the money.
Buzz just proved this, didn't he?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run. Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver. Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there. So it isn't always about the money in my view. For some people, it's always about the money.
Buzz just proved this, didn't he?
he proved it is about the money--or at least a paying job. he was told he was on his way out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run. Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver. Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there. So it isn't always about the money in my view. For some people, it's always about the money.
Buzz just proved this, didn't he?
Depends if you believe Buzz left on his own......I don't
I understand what you are saying about peace of mind, life, etc. But we aren't talking (hypothetically) $300,000 to $325,000. We are talking 1 mil to 3 mil. I can pay for a lot of piece of mind and quality of life if you triple my salary.
Quote from: El Guerrero on March 27, 2014, 04:54:34 PM
I think Brent Brett proved that to not be the case, at least not when it comes to retaining coaches.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run. Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver. Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there. So it isn't always about the money in my view. For some people, it's always about the money.
Buzz just proved this, didn't he?
We don't really know what Buzz will be making once all the extras are added on.
OK, fair enough on Buzz....I still don't think it is always about the money for some folks, especially when you are making 7 figures already. Yes, the $$$ = respect and all the other nonsense that we put value on. There is more to it, however....location, weather, colleagues, comfort level, little fish big pond or big fish little pond, etc.
Each person will answer things differently.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 05:00:58 PM
Depends if you believe Buzz left on his own......I don't
I understand what you are saying about peace of mind, life, etc. But we aren't talking (hypothetically) $300,000 to $325,000. We are talking 1 mil to 3 mil. I can pay for a lot of piece of mind and quality of life if you triple my salary.
Setting aside drive and ambition... If you don't have peace of mind at $1,000,000/year, there is something wrong with you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 05:03:33 PM
OK, fair enough on Buzz....I still don't think it is always about the money for some folks, especially when you are making 7 figures already. Yes, the $$$ = respect and all the other nonsense that we put value on. There is more to it, however....location, weather, colleagues, comfort level, little fish big pond or big fish little pond, etc.
Each person will answer things differently.
Chicos--you need to watch Pesci waxing eloquently in Casino.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/
This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013). I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money. Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc. However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka). It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary. It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....
Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach. The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland. Hopefully that train hasn't left the station. The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.
Shaka has turned down money in the past that would have doubled his salary. Going north of 3 million is incredible, but each fan base that has tried to sway him always posts the same thing: $$$$ "who doesn't turn down an extra million a year". Shaka is a great coach, who is a academic and clearly doesn't value what many Americans would think is a "done deal.
If Marquette eventually lands him, I would say you received a great coach who thinks outside the box, and isn't motivated by the same types of things as others.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 05:09:09 PM
Shaka has turned down money in the past that would have doubled his salary. Going north of 3 million is incredible, but each fan base that has tried to sway him always posts the same thing: $$$$ "who doesn't turn down an extra million a year". Shaka is a great coach, who is a academic and clearly doesn't value what many Americans would think is a "done deal.
If Marquette eventually lands him, I would say you received a great coach who thinks outside the box, and isn't motivated by the same types of things as others.
So reading through the BS. Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him. VCU must be the greatest place on the planet. Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.
Coaching is a revolving door. A guy like smart has earned a lot of good will at vcu. He would have to mess up royally to lose that job at this point.
Shaka is officially out, bruddas. Moving on to the next guy.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
Chicos--you need to watch Pesci waxing eloquently in Casino.
Seen it many times...if I recall, he ends up in a hole in the ground with a hole in the head in the middle of a cornfield
$ not an issue for MU. Also, figures you seeing at USA Today
Don't give you a good understanding of total comp.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
So reading through the BS. Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him. VCU must be the greatest place on the planet. Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.
Good choice. Frommer's recently named Richmond as a "Top Destination for 2014"
http://www.frommers.com/slideshows/847926-frommer-s-top-destinations-for-2014#slide848252
I'm hearing Cuonzo is the S16 coach they are talking about (Jon Harris is the connection).
I asked about McDermott and along with the stickiness of the politics (BE, jesuits, etc), apparently he has the same agent as Howland.
That Cords announcement that he is staying for the next year is really bumming me out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 05:15:29 PM
Seen it many times...if I recall, he ends up in a hole in the ground with a hole in the head in the middle of a cornfield
You are right, because it was all about the dollars.
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
There are actually three things that it is about:
1. Money
2. Money
3. $$$$$$$$$$$
If that were true, Marquette would be announcing Shaka as it's new basketball coach.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 27, 2014, 07:09:11 PM
If that were true, Marquette would be announcing Shaka as it's new basketball coach.
really--some are saying we got pretty far with the prima donna--to the point of hammering out dollars. Guess we did not offer enough.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
So reading through the BS. Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him. VCU must be the greatest place on the planet. Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.
Wow, that's a rant. Shaka is not "above" "the money", but neither is he "all about" the money. And this was not the first year in which he's proven that. No one, particularly Shaka, has said that Marquette has "nothing else to offer" him. And no, VCU is not "the greatest place on the plant". It's just where Shaka prefers to be at this point, and may well prefer to be for quite some time. He's already there. He's happy. He doesn't need to move. When he is convinced that there is somewhere that is a better fit for him and his family, he'll move. He's not going to jump to another job because someone/everyone else thinks a better job for him or just because he'll get a certain % increase in pay.
Straight cash, homie
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 07:17:33 PM
really--some are saying we got pretty far with the prima donna--to the point of hammering out dollars. Guess we did not offer enough.
Exactly correct, Marquette didn't offer enough, just the enough MU didn't offer enough of wasn't dollars.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 27, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Exactly correct, Marquette didn't offer enough, just the enough MU didn't offer enough of wasn't dollars.
Except you do not know that. What did they not offer enough of?
Murray, are you chit faced or ya mean we're just another mid major with deeper pockets?
Reportedly, it had a lot to do with our 'front office' problem.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 27, 2014, 07:25:25 PM
Reportedly, it had a lot to do with our 'front office' problem.
Lack of an AD? Who the interim AD is? Or another front office problem?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
Except you do not know that. What did they not offer enough of?
Something in the category of comfort level. Job security? Working relationship with superiors? Family fit with Milwaukee? Ability to keep confidential matters, confidential?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
Murray, are you chit faced or ya mean we're just another mid major with deeper pockets?
Much more than a mid-major, 4ever. Sweet resources. Most mid-majors do have a president and athletic director who don't carry the interim label, though.
I feel like that USA Today link is inaccurate. Wasn't Brent in the top 10 anyways??
And how is Calipari not in the top 62? He's making over 5M.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
So reading through the BS. Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him. VCU must be the greatest place on the planet. Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.
Read through what you want. Don't act like a child who didn't get his favorite toy. I never said MU had "no shot", or that VCU was "the greatest place on the planet". I was born in Wisconsin, raised in DC/Switzerland, spent plenty of time other than Richmond, and only recently came here for school. I'm sure MU is a great place, and has a law school I was considering. VCU is what it is, and Shaka is comfortable on campus. Like I said in another thread, I think this has more to do with not wanting to disappoint his commits/current players, than anything else.
Anyways, I see other level headed posters have already responded to this. I sincerely hope MU gains a good coach/recruiter as one day I'd like for VCU to join the BE. Im sure we'd become the red headed step child that everyone loves to hate (that's always good for a conference) but it would definitely be exciting.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
Read through what you want. Don't act like a child who didn't get his favorite toy. I never said MU had "no shot", or that VCU was "the greatest place on the planet". I was born in Wisconsin, raised in DC/Switzerland, spent plenty of time other than Richmond, and only recently came here for school. I'm sure MU is a great place, and has a law school I was considering. VCU is what it is, and Shaka is comfortable on campus. Like I said in another thread, I think this has more to do with not wanting to disappoint his commits/current players, than anything else.
Anyways, I see other level headed posters have already responded to this. I sincerely hope MU gains a good coach/recruiter as one day I'd like for VCU to join the BE. Im sure we'd become the red headed step child that everyone loves to hate (that's always good for a conference) but it would definitely be exciting.
First of all little boy, he wasn't my favorite toy, Howland was my favorite candidate for the job and still is. Second of all, I couldn't care less that he turned the job down. However, I do have a problem with Shaka and the way he handles things. To put it bluntly he jerks programs around. He clearly has no intentions of leaving VCU. So why talk to schools unless it is a "dream job?"(Like there is a job better than VCU, I know ::)) Seriously, why does he? If it isn't about money with Shaka, what could a school possibly offer that he doesn't have at VCU? If he is so committed to his players that he would never leave, then why does he listen to offers? Is he hoping that he will be able to take all of his players with him? There really is no defense for him in this situation or the other ones he has turned down. He needs to be a lifer at VCU. Quite frankly, I am glad it is done, so this board won't be inundated with VCU fans with "sources." Good luck in school. Learn something, OK ;D
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 09:05:38 PM
First of all little boy, he wasn't my favorite toy, Howland was my favorite candidate for the job and still is. Second of all, I couldn't care less that he turned the job down. However, I do have a problem with Shaka and the way he handles things. To put it bluntly he jerks programs around. He clearly has no intentions of leaving VCU. So why talk to schools unless it is a "dream job?"(Like there is a job better than VCU, I know ::)) Seriously, why does he? If it isn't about money with Shaka, what could a school possibly offer that he doesn't have at VCU? If he is so committed to his players that he would never leave, then why does he listen to offers? Is he hoping that he will be able to take all of his players with him? There really is no defense for him in this situation or the other ones he has turned down. He needs to be a lifer at VCU. Quite frankly, I am glad it is done, so this board won't be inundated with VCU fans with "sources." Good luck in school. Learn something, OK ;D
Oh okay, so your favorite guy is still in play. Why so annoyed? I'm not a boy, I decided to spend my youth trying college and the military. It's taken a few more years than I thought, but deployments and "cool guy schools" (Finishing Pathfinder the week before my LSAT wasn't my smartest move) that I just couldn't pass up, filled my time.
Just because Shaka is analytical, pragmatic and takes his time making a decision, does not mean he's a terrible person. His priorities are obviously different than money. You keep saying he's playing other programs, but also mention it's about money, so a guy turning down 3 Million, to coach for 1.6 Million dollars is about money? I never said he was a VCU lifer, but keep spouting things off.
I just don't understand your logic. You seem disappointed, and that's understandable. Go after your first choice, and be happy with it. Hate VCU all you want.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 09:05:38 PM
First of all little boy, he wasn't my favorite toy, Howland was my favorite candidate for the job and still is. Second of all, I couldn't care less that he turned the job down. However, I do have a problem with Shaka and the way he handles things. To put it bluntly he jerks programs around. He clearly has no intentions of leaving VCU. So why talk to schools unless it is a "dream job?"(Like there is a job better than VCU, I know ::)) Seriously, why does he? If it isn't about money with Shaka, what could a school possibly offer that he doesn't have at VCU? If he is so committed to his players that he would never leave, then why does he listen to offers? Is he hoping that he will be able to take all of his players with him? There really is no defense for him in this situation or the other ones he has turned down. He needs to be a lifer at VCU. Quite frankly, I am glad it is done, so this board won't be inundated with VCU fans with "sources." Good luck in school. Learn something, OK ;D
Please explain to me how you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes. Everything in your post after the bold is 100% conjecture. Every. Single. Thing. You've totally bent reality to conform to how you want to feel right now.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Oh okay, so your favorite guy is still in play. Why so annoyed? I'm not a boy, I decided to spend my youth trying college and the military. It's taken a few more years than I thought, but deployments and "cool guy schools" (Finishing Pathfinder the week before my LSAT wasn't my smartest move) that I just couldn't pass up, filled my time.
Just because Shaka is analytical, pragmatic and takes his time making a decision, does not mean he's a terrible person. His priorities are obviously different than money. You keep saying he's playing other programs, but also mention it's about money, so a guy turning down 3 Million, to coach for 1.6 Million dollars is about money? I never said he was a VCU lifer, but keep spouting things off.
I just don't understand your logic. You seem disappointed, and that's understandable. Go after your first choice, and be happy with it. Hate VCU all you want.
Don't care about your life story. As for the rest of your post, much like Shaka, you are making zero sense. Time to move along. My sources tell me Wake Forest is making offer, perhaps it is time to set up an account on their message board.
Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
Please explain to me how you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes. Everything in your post after the bold is 100% conjecture. Every. Single. Thing. You've totally bent reality to conform to how you want to feel right now.
I was asking a question. If it is not money, which it clearly isn't, what is Shaka "Houdini" Smart looking for when he entertains offers from schools? Can you answer that? If he won't leave VCU for UCLA, Illinois, Minnesota, Marquette, who will he leave for and why? Why does he listen? Most coaches listen to offers for financial leverage at their current job or because they are trying to advance their careers. So again I ask why does he listen to offers?
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
Read through what you want. Don't act like a child who didn't get his favorite toy. I never said MU had "no shot", or that VCU was "the greatest place on the planet". I was born in Wisconsin, raised in DC/Switzerland, spent plenty of time other than Richmond, and only recently came here for school. I'm sure MU is a great place, and has a law school I was considering. VCU is what it is, and Shaka is comfortable on campus. Like I said in another thread, I think this has more to do with not wanting to disappoint his commits/current players, than anything else.
Anyways, I see other level headed posters have already responded to this. I sincerely hope MU gains a good coach/recruiter as one day I'd like for VCU to join the BE. Im sure we'd become the red headed step child that everyone loves to hate (that's always good for a conference) but it would definitely be exciting.
If the deal breaker was that Shaka would come if he could bring his commits and MU said that we had to honor our obligations to our current commits, then I admire both sides for their loyalty.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 27, 2014, 07:52:49 PM
Much more than a mid-major, 4ever. Sweet resources. Most mid-majors do have a president and athletic director who don't carry the interim label, though.
So, who should we blame for this, Buzz or BofT? I blame Crean.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 09:32:56 PM
I was asking a question. If it is not money, which it clearly isn't, what is Shaka "Houdini" Smart looking for when he entertains offers from schools? Can you answer that? If he won't leave VCU for UCLA, Illinois, Minnesota, Marquette, who will he leave for and why? Why does he listen? Most coaches listen to offers for financial leverage at their current job or because they are trying to advance their careers. So again I ask why does he listen to offers?
The answer to your question is: I have absolutely no idea and never will.
Anyone who acts as if they are inside the man's head are either full of it or projecting their feelings onto him.