He wants the job and is extremely qualified to do it.
Shaka would be great but if he was interested, we'd probably know by now. Wardle, Martin, Weber? No thanks.
The word was Howland withdrew.
It looks like MU is all in for Shaka, who is playing MU.
One of these two would be fine, but at the rate this is going, it could be disaster. Why keep dancing with the guy that will turn you down?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 27, 2014, 04:30:58 PM
He wants the job and is extremely qualified to do it.
Shaka would be great but if he was interested, we'd probably know by now. Wardle, Martin, Weber? No thanks.
This. If Shaka's says no or is still non-committal by tomorrow, this needs to happen.
I do still think there's a chance with SS, but this should be our all-in moment with him.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
The word was Howland withdrew.
It looks like MU is all in for Shaka, who is playing MU.
One of these two would be fine, but at the rate this is going, it could be disaster. Why keep dancing with the guy that will turn you down?
"word was"="source"
No thanks. Why are we still flinging crap? Honestly.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
The word was Howland withdrew.
It looks like MU is all in for Shaka, who is playing MU.
One of these two would be fine, but at the rate this is going, it could be disaster. Why keep dancing with the guy that will turn you down?
Where has in been reported that Howland withdrew his name?
If they announced Howland tonight I'd be ecstatic and NEVER look back. Just get it done.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 27, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
If they announced Howland tonight I'd be ecstatic and NEVER look back. Just get it done.
+1
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 27, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
If they announced Howland tonight I'd be ecstatic and NEVER look back. Just get it done.
While I'd love the Shaka hire like everyone else, I've been saying this to folks all week. If Smart had never entered the picture, and MU announced Howland Sunday or Monday, most people (myself included) would have be ecstatic. Now that Shakamania has been a thing for days, I think even Howland would be perceived as a loss to some.
He's the same Ben Howland as he was on Sunday, and would be a great hire.
Quote from: Ahoya06 on March 27, 2014, 04:34:08 PM
This. If Shaka's says no or is still non-committal by tomorrow, this needs to happen.
I do still think there's a chance with SS, but this should be our all-in moment with him.
I thought his deadline was yesterday, the Shaka train has gone IMO or he is just playing MU. MU has supposedly been in communication since Sunday and he still can't decide? Screw him and sign Howland NOW.
NM
Think about the upside of Shaka.... if we get him and he's successful, we'll get to do this all over again in three years.
Sign Howland now.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
The word was Howland withdrew.
It looks like MU is all in for Shaka, who is playing MU.
One of these two would be fine, but at the rate this is going, it could be disaster. Why keep dancing with the guy that will turn you down?
How is Shaka playing MU?
MU went to Shaka, not the other way around. He has done nothing different than any Executive, who is worth his salt, would do.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 27, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
If they announced Howland tonight I'd be ecstatic and NEVER look back. Just get it done.
Did you send this message to Cords? I'm sure if he was aware that you'd be ecstatic with Howland he would have closed the deal by now.
Seriously, I'm glad many of the posters here aren't part of the decision making process.
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
How is Shaka playing MU? MU went to Shaka, not the other way around. He has done nothing different than any Executive, who is worth his salt, would do.
If they went to Shaka, it was over a week ago. They should have secured an answer by now. If they have not, then they are pounding sand, and wasting time. it is not rocket science. You move on. People are still saying they are involved.
Quote from: MUSF on March 27, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
Did you send this message to Cords? I'm sure if he was aware that you'd be ecstatic with Howland he would have closed the deal by now.
Seriously, I'm glad many of the posters here aren't part of the decision making process.
You're so witty!!! No, no you're not. Not to mention that brought nothing to the conversation.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
If they went to Shaka, it was over a week ago. They should have secured an answer by now. If they have not, then they are pounding sand, and wasting time. it is not rocket science. You move on. People are still saying they are involved.
Exactly, if he still can't make a decision, time to move on. Now you are just wasting time. Meanwhile, Howland tells MU he's really interested and MU is telling him to wait.....sooner or later, he's gonna say screw you, I'm going to Wake.
Quote from: Jet915 on March 27, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
Exactly, if he still can't make a decision, time to move on. Now you are just wasting time. Meanwhile, Howland tells MU he's really interested and MU is telling him to wait.....sooner or later, he's gonna say screw you, I'm going to Wake.
There are a lot of execs running big corporations that initially said no.
1. There's been not one slightly credible report that Howland has pulled out.
2. Where else is he going? Wake has other candidates higher on their list, it seems (Mack, Smart, Marshall, Haith ) and they seem to be in no more of a hurry than MU; BC seems focused on other candidates, as well. What's that leave? Washington St. South Florida. Houston. I'm guessing Howland is willing to wait for MU before settling for one of those gigs.
Realistically, MU is the big domino here.
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:58:18 PM
There are a lot of execs running big corporations that initially said no.
Lovell initially said no ...
Quote from: Jet915 on March 27, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
Exactly, if he still can't make a decision, time to move on. Now you are just wasting time. Meanwhile, Howland tells MU he's really interested and MU is telling him to wait.....sooner or later, he's gonna say screw you, I'm going to Wake.
Or maybe we shouldn't panic like a nerd trying to score a date for the prom.
Maybe MU knows that there are other really good options that will wait by the phone until we make a final decision.
Maybe none of us have any clue about the status of the potential candidates so we should probably not presume that we know the best course of action to take.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2014, 04:59:08 PM
1. There's been not one slightly credible report that Howland has pulled out.
How many kids does he have?
Yep, after a brief ride on the shaka coaster I am on board the Howland express. Bring on the 3 time final 4 coach.
Quote from: striker14 on March 27, 2014, 05:21:19 PM
Yep, after a brief ride on the shaka coaster I am on board the Howland express. Bring on the 3 time final 4 coach.
Hope it's not too late. But I fear it may be. As far as we know, MU is still chasing Smart and leaving Howland on the back burner.
Howland has his pride...and probably doesn't need the money...so he could tell MU to shove it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
Hope it's not too late. But I fear it may be. As far as we know, MU is still chasing Smart and leaving Howland on the back burner.
Howland has his pride...and probably doesn't need the money...so he could tell MU to shove it.
Howland signed a contract in 2007 that would pay him 2M a year for seven years. I would presume he is financially secure.
Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
Howland signed a contract in 2007 that would pay him 2M a year for seven years. I would presume he is financially secure.
That's my point. If he doesn't need the cash, how long will Howland allow himself to be MU's Plan B.
I would guess not very long at all.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
That's my point. If he doesn't need the cash, how long will Howland allow himself to be MU's Plan B.
I would guess not very long at all.
Yes, just verifying your point.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
Hope it's not too late. But I fear it may be. As far as we know, MU is still chasing Smart and leaving Howland on the back burner.
Howland has his pride...and probably doesn't need the money...so he could tell MU to shove it.
It's over.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 27, 2014, 05:42:26 PM
It's over.
I'll play along. So if Smart and Howland are out. Who's in?
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:43:48 PM
I'll play along. So if Smart and Howland are out. Who's in?
Sorry, smart is over. Ben would logically still be very much in play. Question is do they want to get it done?
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:43:48 PM
I'll play along. So if Smart and Howland are out. Who's in?
Weber and Martin
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
That's my point. If he doesn't need the cash, how long will Howland allow himself to be MU's Plan B.
I would guess not very long at all.
Or maybe his financial security allows him to standby for the job he really wants. No need to rush it.
It could easily work both ways. Bottom line, we don't know S**T about BH's feelings toward MU at this point or MU's feelings toward BH. I really don't think there is cause to panic at this point.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
The word was Howland withdrew.
It looks like MU is all in for Shaka, who is playing MU.
One of these two would be fine, but at the rate this is going, it could be disaster. Why keep dancing with the guy that will turn you down?
I'm curious, if Diamond Stone appears to be headed elsewhere, will you sing that same tune?
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 05:45:15 PM
Weber and Martin
Those choices make me want to throw up.
Quote from: BigRed on March 27, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Think about the upside of Shaka.... if we get him and he's successful, we'll get to do this all over again in three years.
Sign Howland now.
I find that hard to believe given how difficult its been for many to pry him loose from an A-10 school.
Why are people down on Cuonzo? I actually might prefer him to Howland as a fit for MU.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 27, 2014, 05:47:53 PM
Those choices make me want to throw up.
Careful. Steff will accuse you of overreacting.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 27, 2014, 05:47:53 PM
Those choices make me want to throw up.
They are the most logical choices other than Howland. Im actually ok with those two
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Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 27, 2014, 05:49:40 PM
Why are people down on Cuonzo? I actually might prefer him to Howland as a fit for MU.
Add me to the Martin train
Respect the process.
Need Howland now. Stop wasting time. The boosters who don't want him are probably the same dummies whose biggest concern was the "You Suck" chant...which I'd like to deliver to them about now.
Quote from: chapman on March 27, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
Need Howland now. Stop wasting time. The boosters who don't want him are probably the same dummies whose biggest concern was the "You Suck" chant...which I'd like to deliver to them about now.
HEY! PEOPLE'S FEELING MIGHT GET HURT HEARING THAT.
Quote from: chapman on March 27, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
Need Howland now. Stop wasting time. The boosters who don't want him are probably the same dummies whose biggest concern was the "You Suck" chant...which I'd like to deliver to them about now.
Amen, my brother.
HIRE BEN HOWLAND AND GET IT OVER WITH!!!!
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 05:53:07 PM
Add me to the Martin train
Since nobody here seems to know what a troll is, here's a great example.
The long we di*k around, the more likely we end up with Hopkins (a two-hear hire at most) or Wardle, who would be a disaster.
We dorked around too long with the VCU prima donna. Whoever is driving this train need to learn the art of negotiations.
Should have hired Howland three days ago... Not even a close 2nd vs. him. Including SS.
Quote from: humanlung on March 27, 2014, 06:25:43 PM
Should have hired Howland three days ago... Not even a close 2nd vs. him. Including SS.
qft
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Quote from: humanlung on March 27, 2014, 06:25:43 PM
Should have hired Howland three days ago... Not even a close 2nd vs. him. Including SS.
This was—and continues to be—the ultimate no-brainer. Howland is a winner and should be MU's next coach.
And for those who keep bringing up that SI article...I recently re-read it, and it's more of a slam on today's self-entitled athletes than on Howland. His biggest crime was treating those players like adults and believing they were mature and responsible.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
This was—and continues to be—the ultimate no-brainer. Howland is a winner and should be MU's next coach.
Sadly, though, something tells me that we won't.
Quote from: klyrish on March 27, 2014, 06:58:29 PM
Sadly, though, something tells me that we won't.
Yup... it would just make wayy too much sense. Why make it easy on ourselves when we can have Wardle?!
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on March 27, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
Yup... it would just make wayy too much sense. Why make it easy on ourselves when we can have Wardle?!
I seriously don't get it. Howland says immediately after Bazz leaves that he wants the job. Why did this week even have to happen? We have the money, we need the coach...nah, let's go after the unattainable instead and get completed fucked by everyone in the process.
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on March 27, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
Yup... it would just make wayy too much sense. Why make it easy on ourselves when we can have Wardle?!
Hey, c'mon. Jeter, Martin, and Weber are still in the running too. How's that for a collection of premier coaching talent?
Quote from: klyrish on March 27, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
I seriously don't get it. Howland says immediately after Bazz leaves that he wants the job. Why did this week even have to happen? We have the money, we need the coach...nah, let's go after the unattainable instead and get completed unnatural carnal knowledgeed by everyone in the process.
I understand aiming high (see what I did there?) but at some point you've gotta realize it's not happening with one candidate and grow a backbone and move on to #2..... Some people may debate whether Howland should even #2 behind SS (I was in camp SS but Ben was a very close 2), but let's get this done!!!
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
This was—and continues to be—the ultimate no-brainer. Howland is a winner and should be MU's next coach.
And for those who keep bringing up that SI article...I recently re-read it, and it's more of a slam on today's self-entitled athletes than on Howland. His biggest crime was treating those players like adults and believing they were mature and responsible.
I have said that from day one. Dude was interested and some knuckleheads decided to pursue SS, who has turned down numerous programs. Unbelievable.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
This was—and continues to be—the ultimate no-brainer. Howland is a winner and should be MU's next coach.
And for those who keep bringing up that SI article...I recently re-read it, and it's more of a slam on today's self-entitled athletes than on Howland. His biggest crime was treating those players like adults and believing they were mature and responsible.
Yep. The SI article is just an excuse for someone who just doesn't want Howland.
No kidding on the no-brainer. I don't see how the decision makers wouldn't jump on a coach who won 2 BETs and got to 2 Sweet Sixteens in four years at Pitt, and then won 4 PAC-12 titles and got to 3 Final Fours at UCLA...and
wants the MU job.
Martin, Wardle and others named don't even come close to that....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 27, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
Yep. The SI article is just an excuse for someone who just doesn't want Howland.
No kidding on the no-brainer. I don't see how the decision makers wouldn't jump on a coach who won 2 BETs and got to 2 Sweet Sixteens in four years at Pitt, and then won 4 PAC-12 titles and got to 3 Final Fours at UCLA...and wants the MU job.
Martin, Wardle and others named don't even come close to that....
I'm with you....but is the MU BoT?
This is embarrassing. How few times will there EVER be a coach as qualified as Howland who is available at the time we need a coach. aND he wants to be here.
Make it happen jags.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
This is embarrassing. How few times will there EVER be a coach as qualified as Howland who is available at the time we need a coach. aND he wants to be here.
Make it happen jags.
Agreed. Why are we waiting? And he WANTS TO BE HERE>
Quote from: chapman on March 27, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
Need Howland now. Stop wasting time. The boosters who don't want him are probably the same dummies whose biggest concern was the "You Suck" chant...which I'd like to deliver to them about now.
sweet.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
This was—and continues to be—the ultimate no-brainer. Howland is a winner and should be MU's next coach.
And for those who keep bringing up that SI article...I recently re-read it, and it's more of a slam on today's self-entitled athletes than on Howland. His biggest crime was treating those players like adults and believing they were mature and responsible.
Uh, here's the part that I think undermines your argument;
Nelson often reacted to hard fouls or calls against him in practice by committing violent acts against teammates. He did not deny to SI that he would stalk his targets, even running across the court, away from a play, to hit someone.
Once, Nelson got tangled up with forward James Keefe while going for a rebound. Keefe was playing with a surgically repaired left shoulder, and Nelson pulled down suddenly on Keefe's left arm. That reinjured Keefe's shoulder, and he missed several weeks. Later in the season Nelson hacked walk-on Alex Schrempf, the son of former NBA player Detlef Schrempf, from behind on a breakaway, knocking Schrempf to the ground. The back injury Schrempf suffered sidelined him for months. In another workout Nelson threw an elbow at Lane after the whistle, injuring Lane's ribs.
Walk-on Tyler Trapani was another Nelson victim. After Trapani took a charge that negated a Nelson dunk, Nelson went out of his way to step on Trapani's chest as he lay on the ground. Trapani is John Wooden's great-grandson. (Nelson confirmed all these incidents to SI and expressed his regret, saying, "On all that stuff, I have no trouble admitting that I lost control of my emotions sometimes. I take responsibility for my actions. I'm really just trying to learn from the mistakes I made on all levels.")
After each of the incidents, Howland looked the other way. One team member says he asked Howland after a practice why he wasn't punishing Nelson, to which he said Howland responded, "He's producing."
Howland doesn't pass the sniff test...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 27, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Howland doesn't pass the sniff test...
I like you but please... He's ten times the coach Buzz ever will be and a huge step up in all aspects.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 27, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
I like you but please... He's ten times the coach Buzz ever will be and a huge step up in all aspects.
+100
I'm hoping Lovell's go big attitude will get us an impact hire such as Howland or similar. The good thing is he actually cares about sports. Not sure sports isn't what scared Pilarz off.
I also sign my name to this Ben Howland petition. Pay the man!!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 27, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Howland doesn't pass the sniff test...
Not all old people smell.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 27, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Howland doesn't pass the sniff test...
I'm with you something seems not right. I remember when the SI article first came out and just thought of how sleazy Ben Howland was. If he becomes the coach I'll support him, but I feel like Cords sees it too thats why he went for Shaka when Ben really wanted the job.
it will be interesting to see how the timeline plays out. i'm thinking we'll have a much better feeling as to whom MU is after based upon who loses, and how long this search takes. i guess the one i'm most interested in is virginia...if TB wins, and the search continues for another week, it's probably safe to say MU feels like he's coming home.
i can't believe we take martin over howland. could see archie as a target, but he doesn't seem interested.
If anything, this whole SI article can be used to make Ben come down in price. I don't think the man is stupid enough to let this happen again.
Also, anyone who played even high school sports, knows that the "Alpha Dog" on the team gets away with everything. That's the nature of sports. It takes the team to get together and hit him back so to speak, that's when it starts to stop.
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on March 27, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
I understand aiming high (see what I did there?) but at some point you've gotta realize it's not happening with one candidate and grow a backbone and move on to #2..... Some people may debate whether Howland should even #2 behind SS (I was in camp SS but Ben was a very close 2), but let's get this done!!!
Howland is aiming high. Waaaaaay higher, in my opinion, than SS.
Quote from: humanlung on March 28, 2014, 08:05:11 AM
Howland is aiming high. Waaaaaay higher, in my opinion, than SS.
Yep.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 27, 2014, 08:33:20 PM
Uh, here's the part that I think undermines your argument;
Nelson often reacted to hard fouls or calls against him in practice by committing violent acts against teammates. He did not deny to SI that he would stalk his targets, even running across the court, away from a play, to hit someone.
Once, Nelson got tangled up with forward James Keefe while going for a rebound. Keefe was playing with a surgically repaired left shoulder, and Nelson pulled down suddenly on Keefe's left arm. That reinjured Keefe's shoulder, and he missed several weeks. Later in the season Nelson hacked walk-on Alex Schrempf, the son of former NBA player Detlef Schrempf, from behind on a breakaway, knocking Schrempf to the ground. The back injury Schrempf suffered sidelined him for months. In another workout Nelson threw an elbow at Lane after the whistle, injuring Lane's ribs.
Walk-on Tyler Trapani was another Nelson victim. After Trapani took a charge that negated a Nelson dunk, Nelson went out of his way to step on Trapani's chest as he lay on the ground. Trapani is John Wooden's great-grandson. (Nelson confirmed all these incidents to SI and expressed his regret, saying, "On all that stuff, I have no trouble admitting that I lost control of my emotions sometimes. I take responsibility for my actions. I'm really just trying to learn from the mistakes I made on all levels.")
After each of the incidents, Howland looked the other way. One team member says he asked Howland after a practice why he wasn't punishing Nelson, to which he said Howland responded, "He's producing."
Has anyone ever confirmed this outside the article? To the best of my knowledge, there were never any issues prior to UCLA and for this attitude to just appear with no prior warning would be highly unusual. After all, a leopard doesn't change its spots.
There are other, better solutions.
George Karl.
Terry Porter
Both would be better candidates than Howland (who smells funny to me, too) and would bring serious Wisconsin ties and NBA credentials to the MU program.
Quote from: klyrish on March 27, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
I seriously don't get it. Howland says immediately after Bazz leaves that he wants the job. Why did this week even have to happen? We have the money, we need the coach...nah, let's go after the unattainable instead and get completed unnatural carnal knowledgeed by everyone in the process.
Sometimes big wigs feel like they themself are different than other big wigs(and everybody else). IE "I know SS turned down the likes of UCLA but we(actually I) am different"
I agree, I have wanted Howland from day 1. Would have been fine with SS, but believe Howland would be here longer anyway. He has alot better track record. So far in reality SS has had 1 great year. He is charismatic and would have been a big windfall initially. I do think Howland has just as much Cache however and much more success.
I have nothing really important to add other than if you can get howland, you take 'em. George Karl? really?
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 28, 2014, 08:09:23 AM
There are other, better solutions.
George Karl.
Terry Porter
Both would be better candidates than Howland (who smells funny to me, too) and would bring serious Wisconsin ties and NBA credentials to the MU program.
Karl is 62 years old and has never coached at the collegiate level (head or assistant). Porter has never coached at the collegiate level (head or assistant).
And they're better than a guy who has won eight conference championships, been to 10 NCAA tournaments and three Final Fours?
That smell is a quality coach who has won - we're afraid of setting the bar high.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 28, 2014, 08:09:23 AM
There are other, better solutions.
George Karl.
Terry Porter
Both would be better candidates than Howland (who smells funny to me, too) and would bring serious Wisconsin ties and NBA credentials to the MU program.
I think you missed the 'teal' option there. Because there's one thing that we have to do - hire someone with ties to the past or the state.
Also, those guys are really plugged into the college scene too.
...and that was sarcasm about having ties.
If they are there and we can use them to our advantage? Great. Other than that...who cares.
I think the majority of people here on this board actually like Wardle....just not as the coach this year. Give him a few more years and then see.
Which goes back to the ....Hire Howland. NOW! #overreacting
Last I checked, Howland is still out there and has no other serious suitors.
Wake is focused on Mack and others; BC is focused on Amaker, Hopkins and the guy from Townson.
Where's Ben going, exactly? Wazzou? Marshall? USF?
There's about a million reasons that make it worth his time to wait for MU.
Bunch of drama queens here.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 08:17:45 AM
Last I checked, Howland is still out there and has no other serious suitors.
Wake is focused on Mack and others; BC is focused on Amaker, Hopkins and the guy from Townson.
Where's Ben going, exactly? Wazzou? Marshall? USF?
There's about a million reasons that make it worth his time to wait for MU.
Bunch of drama queens here.
I would up that to three million reasons. MU needs to get off the pot on this one. Get 'er done, already!
While you certainly do not want to rush into a bad decision. You also want to make a decision as quickly as you can. Future recuirts, the upcoming recruiting class, current players can all be impacted by this. And from experince, the worst thing can often be uncertainty. These kids dont want to wait around for a long time trying to figure out who their coach is going to be. This can cause anxiety for the kid and also his parents. Not to mention negative recruiting(while it may be against the rules) can also be going on. Saying things like, you dont want be at MU look at them. They didnt even have a President or AD for how long? And now who is going to be your coach? Will you even fit into his system?
This needs to be handled as quickly as possible. Without taking a risk on an unproven assistant.
Quote from: humanlung on March 28, 2014, 08:22:24 AM
I would up that to three million reasons. MU needs to get off the pot on this one. Get 'er done, already!
Yeah, my point was MU can afford, and is likely willing, to pay Howland seven figures more than anyone out there with the possible exception of Wake.
The notion that Ben is going withdraw from consideration at MU because his feelings are hurt by the pursuit of Shaka Smart seems ridiculous. If that were true, I wouldn't want the guy anyhow.
Let's also think about this from Ben's perspective. Sure, he has said that he is interested in MU, but if the price isn't right hanging out in California for another year to see what opens up isn't a bad option either.
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 28, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
Let's also think about this from Ben's perspective. Sure, he has said that he is interested in MU, but if the price isn't right hanging out in California for another year to see what opens up isn't a bad option either.
After Buzz left, Howland got his name to Andy Katz and into the discussion in under 30 minutes. He's interested and I'd imagine 2.5-3 should get it done.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
Yeah, my point was MU can afford, and is likely willing, to pay Howland seven figures more than anyone out there with the possible exception of Wake.
The notion that Ben is going withdraw from consideration at MU because his feelings are hurt by the pursuit of Shaka Smart seems ridiculous. If that were true, I wouldn't want the guy anyhow.
Howland's a pro. Business is business and he knows that. Feelings have nothing to do with it.
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 28, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
Let's also think about this from Ben's perspective. Sure, he has said that he is interested in MU, but if the price isn't right hanging out in California for another year to see what opens up isn't a bad option either.
What are the chances a job at a program a) comparable to MU and b) interested in Ben comes open next year?
I don't expect many better programs would be interested in a 58-year-old coach who's been sitting on his tail in California for two years. It's possible he could land a similar gig, but the longer he's away from the game the harder it becomes.
Time to resurrect this thread....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:14:16 AM
Time to resurrect this thread....
Got that right. Hopefully, to be replaced quickly by the "Howland Press Conference..." thread very, very soon.