NOTHING is done until the contract is signed.
79 Warrior
100% with you on that. Hope they get it done and let Shaka go get Diamond Stone
Definitely. There's been momentum behind these rumors for a couple of hours now. Yet no major reporter has picked up the story. Hard to believe that these local insiders are privy to more information than Andy Katz or Jeff Goodman.
No kidding
remember we did not start the rumor, it is all over the place from people connected to basketball that are not MU homers.
keeping my fingers crossed.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 24, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
remember we did not start the rumor, it is all over the place from people connected to basketball that are not MU homers.
keeping my fingers crossed.
Who besides Jerry Meyer?
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:07:51 PM
Definitely. There's been momentum behind these rumors for a couple of hours now. Yet no major reporter has picked up the story. Hard to believe that these local insiders are privy to more information than Andy Katz or Jeff Goodman.
In fairness, isn't Katz busy with Brett this afternoon?
totally agree we all need to calm down...it very well may not be Shaka...regardless we will be in good shape no matter who we hire...have faith....
And another calm before the second storm cell.
Seems to me this still could be:
1) Shaka playing MU to gain leverage at VCU.
2) MU putting out a small, false leak to lower level media sources (ones with whom they don't have to worry about maintaining credibility) to bring down the asking price of Ben Howland.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:07:51 PM
Definitely. There's been momentum behind these rumors for a couple of hours now. Yet no major reporter has picked up the story. Hard to believe that these local insiders are privy to more information than Andy Katz or Jeff Goodman.
Katz and Goodman know and are trying to confirm. The fact they have not shot it down (yet?) means no one is saying no. Most likely no one is talking period. Why no denial????
message boards are not places for calm.
Quote from: Captain Awesome on March 24, 2014, 03:09:02 PM
In fairness, isn't Katz busy with Brett this afternoon?
Haha, nice point.
If it happened it'll be breaking news on the 5PM Sportscenter
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 24, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
Katz and Goodman know and are trying to confirm. The fact they have not shot it down (yet?) means no one is saying no. Most likely no one is talking period. Why no denial????
I hope that's the case. I hope it isn't that they mistrust the source of information (along with being unable to corroborate).
Major reporters would seem to have very little to gain by denying rumors. If they're wrong, they look like idiots. If they're right, they haven't really broken any story.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 24, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
Katz and Goodman know and are trying to confirm. The fact they have not shot it down (yet?) means no one is saying no. Most likely no one is talking period. Why no denial????
There is nothing to shoot down because NO credible national reporter has even hinted at this. The next BOOM we hear could be the air out of this bubble. Makes me a little uneasy this story has no credible national attention yet.
color me worried.
Oh, we are way ahead of ourselves here. We're excited because he would be a great get as the new coach, so that is what is driving a lot of the momentum here. I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me that this is not happening.
Of course we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
It's what we Internet message board idiots do.
It's only a matter of time before someone figures it out .. us MUScoop mods have hatched this hoax to boost the numbers here, trying to set a new online record.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:07:51 PM
Definitely. There's been momentum behind these rumors for a couple of hours now. Yet no major reporter has picked up the story. Hard to believe that these local insiders are privy to more information than Andy Katz or Jeff Goodman.
This.
I will believe this is done as soon as a credible journalist says it's done.
It's fun, I've enjoyed following it today. Problem is, if they don't get Smart I'm now slightly disappointed with any other hire.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2014, 03:14:42 PM
There is nothing to shoot down because NO credible national reporter has even hinted at this. The next BOOM we hear could be the air out of this bubble. Makes me a little uneasy this story has no credible national attention yet.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:21:47 PM
This.
I will believe this is done as soon as a credible journalist says it's done.
It is not uncommon for a press release or announcement to be distributed to journalists but embargoed for hours, or days, prior to an announcement being made. Most professional journalists will adhere to such embargo if they were on the distribution list, even if they get it from another "source." But if the release passes through the hands of someone who's not a journalist, you'll get a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors flying around - with no comments from journalists who usually feast on (or deny) such rumors - until the moment the clock hits that embargo date/time.
Given the circumstances, I view the fact that Goodman, Parrish, etc. haven't chimed in as something getting ready to go down.
My inner pessimist says we're going to feel disappointed on this one....that said, Howland would be a helluva consolation prize....and many's first choice.
In the thread I started about this being a concern, if we don't hear a "where there's smoke, there's fire" or "no truth to the rumor" from either Goodman or Parrish by this evening, then I think it's not happening with Smart.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
It is not uncommon for a press release or announcement to be distributed to journalists but embargoed for hours, or days, prior to an announcement being made. Most professional journalists will adhere to such embargo if they were on the distribution list, even if they get it from another "source." But if the release passes through the hands of someone who's not a journalist, you'll get a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors flying around - with no comments from journalists who usually feast on (or deny) such rumors - until the moment the clock hits that embargo date/time.
Given the circumstances, I view the fact that Goodman, Parrish, etc. haven't chimed in as something getting ready to go down.
Gotta admit, this is a pretty compelling explanation. Especially as a lot of these low-level media outlets keep citing the length of the contract (six years).
But was/is Marquette really in a position to have a press release already written and sent to the press?
What's perplexing is how VCU sources are barely acknowledging the rumors. There are quite a few dependable sources on our end saying that a contract is or is almost in place. I find it hard to believe the VCU sources who are not even giving an inch. That sounds like denial to me.
Makes sense, I suppose, in that being more tight-lipped down there gives Shaka a chance for a graceful exit. I don't know, maybe I'm a homer.
Shaka is eyeballing these threads to make sure he gets a warm welcome from the MUScoop community before he signs on the dotted line!
I won't believe anything until Mike Hunt writes about it in the Journal/Sentinal. I expect him to get around to that some time later next week.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:34:20 PM
Gotta admit, this is a pretty compelling explanation. Especially as a lot of these low-level media outlets keep citing the length of the contract (six years).
But was/is Marquette really in a position to have a press release already written and sent to the press?
Only someone from the AD department or a journalist can tell you if this is a regular practice over there. I cannot.
But Tom Enlund was the king of ethical standards when it came to embargoed news releases.... sometimes sitting on them for months after the release date.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
It is not uncommon for a press release or announcement to be distributed to journalists but embargoed for hours, or days, prior to an announcement being made. Most professional journalists will adhere to such embargo if they were on the distribution list, even if they get it from another "source." But if the release passes through the hands of someone who's not a journalist, you'll get a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors flying around - with no comments from journalists who usually feast on (or deny) such rumors - until the moment the clock hits that embargo date/time.
Given the circumstances, I view the fact that Goodman, Parrish, etc. haven't chimed in as something getting ready to go down.
Zero universities would give a press release to a single reporter, let alone multiple reporters, involving major news and expect those reporters to say nothing for days.
Zero.
Maybe (but not usually) an hour. Maybe (but highly unlikely) several hours.
But never, ever, ever would Wherever U put out a press release saying, "Hold this huge news for three days, please."
At least not if the university expects the news to get held.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 24, 2014, 03:36:19 PM
What's perplexing is how VCU sources are barely acknowledging the rumors. There are quite a few dependable sources on our end saying that a contract is or is almost in place. I find it hard to believe the VCU sources who are not even giving an inch. That sounds like denial to me.
Makes sense, I suppose, in that being more tight-lipped down there gives Shaka a chance for a graceful exit. I don't know, maybe I'm a homer.
We're all homers in one way or another. To my knowledge, though, I'm the only true neutral party on here, a fan of both teams. Why not believe me ;D
I've got a bad feeling about this >:(
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
Zero universities would give a press release to a single reporter, let alone multiple reporters, involving major news and expect those reporters to say nothing for days.
Zero.
Maybe (but not usually) an hour. Maybe (but highly unlikely) several hours.
But never, ever, ever would Wherever U put out a press release saying, "Hold this huge news for three days, please."
At least not if the university expects the news to get held.
Three days for major news.... probably not. If it's that major, there's no legitimate reason for it to be held for three days.
But there is legitimate reason for news like this to be withheld for hours. And journalists do - surprisingly - keep their mouths shut... lest they wish to be excluded from future news releases.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
Three days for major news.... probably not. If it's that major, there's no legitimate reason for it to be held for three days.
But there is legitimate reason for news like this to be withheld for hours. And journalists do - surprisingly - keep their mouths shut... lest they wish to be excluded from future news releases.
Like, let me inform my team that I'm leaving before they hear it on ESPN.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
Three days for major news.... probably not. If it's that major, there's no legitimate reason for it to be held for three days.
But there is legitimate reason for news like this to be withheld for hours. And journalists do - surprisingly - keep their mouths shut... lest they wish to be excluded from future news releases.
I'm hoping you're right, and I'm hoping you'll be proven right in 12 minutes.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
I'm hoping you're right, and I'm hoping you'll be proven right in 12 minutes.
What happens in 12 minutes? (10 now) Is something scheduled or were you just hoping?
Quote from: TJ on March 24, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
What happens in 12 minutes? (10 now) Is something scheduled or were you just hoping?
Top of the hour. A possible embargo expiration time if that's the case. Or just a release in general.
Quote from: TJ on March 24, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
What happens in 12 minutes? (10 now) Is something scheduled or were you just hoping?
5:00 EDT/4:00 CDT. So yeah, mainly just hoping.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 24, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
I'm hoping you're right, and I'm hoping you'll be proven right in 12 minutes.
Let me be clear that I'm not implying that there is a pending announcement out there.... I'm simply offering one possibility as to why the only thing close to a denial or counter to the rumor was simply Evan Daniels saying it "doesn't pass the smell test."
Typically, rumor from quasi-national basketball media source (e.g. 247sports, deadspin, etc.) is followed by guys like Goodman, Parrish, Katz, etc. saying something more than "sides have spoken, but there is no deal yet." That hasn't been the case here... and that's what puzzles me.
If it was just IWB breaking something, I could see the national guys looking the other way... but Jerry Meyer is a respectable figure in the world of college hoops, and is prominent enough to get the Katz's and Goodman's to react to news like this.
Then again, Katz, Goodman, et al may be completely in the dark and don't want to say anything for fear of looking like a chump.
In other words.... stayed tuned. But don't give up hope. The bottom line is that the sides have spoken; that's the first step.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
Zero universities would give a press release to a single reporter, let alone multiple reporters, involving major news and expect those reporters to say nothing for days.
Zero.
Maybe (but not usually) an hour. Maybe (but highly unlikely) several hours.
But never, ever, ever would Wherever U put out a press release saying, "Hold this huge news for three days, please."
At least not if the university expects the news to get held.
Well this just isn't true at all. I mean, it depends on the announcement. Something like this that they want to keep under wraps, yeah they wouldn't preemptively warn their reporters.
But say, Marquette has a big announcement coming about a new academic building plan or whatnot, they could definitely talk to reporters beforehand, give them the needed info, and even set up interviews so that when the news does hit it will be bigger and won't catch reporters off-guard covering something else. Also, orgs use it all the time to secure exclusive articles with major publications to guarantee coverage.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
Let me be clear that I'm not implying that there is a pending announcement out there.... I'm simply offering one possibility as to why the only thing close to a denial or counter to the rumor was simply Evan Daniels saying it "doesn't pass the smell test."
Typically, rumor from quasi-national basketball media source (e.g. 247sports, deadspin, etc.) is followed by guys like Goodman, Parrish, Katz, etc. saying something more than "sides have spoken, but there is no deal yet." That hasn't been the case here... and that's what puzzles me.
If it was just IWB breaking something, I could see the national guys looking the other way... but Jerry Meyer is a respectable figure in the world of college hoops, and is prominent enough to get the Katz's and Goodman's to react to news like this.
Then again, Katz, Goodman, et al may be completely in the dark and don't want to say anything for fear of looking like a chump.
In other words.... stayed tuned. But don't give up hope. The bottom line is that the sides have spoken; that's the first step.
Understood. Thanks for the thoughtful post.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
Zero universities would give a press release to a single reporter, let alone multiple reporters, involving major news and expect those reporters to say nothing for days.
Zero.
Maybe (but not usually) an hour. Maybe (but highly unlikely) several hours.
But never, ever, ever would Wherever U put out a press release saying, "Hold this huge news for three days, please."
At least not if the university expects the news to get held.
Well, it depends.
On a major coaching hire .... I'd be shocked if it were released early with an embargo. No reporter worth his tiny salary would respect that kind of an embargo.
On another issue - say, a major donation, a new building, a new program .... happens all the time. They'd want to give the media a day or two to plan to be at the announcement, because they know that in the heat of the day, nobody is going to drop everything to rush over to Marquette for the announcement of a donation or new library.