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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2014, 02:17:42 PM

Title: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2014, 02:17:42 PM: I've been arguing that Buzz was "encouraged" to leave. Michael Hunt wrote this over the weekend ...

Cords said Marquette already had engaged in internal discussions about the possibility of Williams leaving and added that the position would be filled as soon as possible.

Translated, they wanted Buzz to leave and start long before Friday at 5PM on finding a new coach.

Now let me ask, did they contact Shaka long ago and he was interested. They just had to get Buzz out of the way? (mind you, they wanted him out regardless)

Then this tweet from the head coach at Manual H.S. in Peoria (IL HS basketball power):

@Dwilliams1515 "Been saying since last week Shaka Smart to Marquette. . Hearing the terms are Agreed upon. . We will see...#NCAA"

Yes, I have my tin foil hat on, any buyers?
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 24, 2014, 02:19:12 PM: So youre saying they Buzz-cut Buzz? ;D
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2014, 02:20:49 PM: Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 24, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
So youre saying they Buzz-cut Buzz? ;D

Yes!!!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: MUBillsTil2017 on March 24, 2014, 02:21:48 PM: I have wondered the same thing. It seems Marquette could have been alerted that a certain few coaches had put out feelers sometime in the last few months. The Marquette leadership knew what they were doing when they put a clause to the effect of $100,000 payout to let Buzz go if the AD left. Then the AD left. Then all of this(if true about Smart) is coming together real fast too. Only question is what made Buzz jump ship? What was the lever used to get him to go? He left so much money on the table.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Steve Buscemi on March 24, 2014, 02:23:11 PM: Quote from: MUBillsTil2017 on March 24, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
I have wondered the same thing. It seems Marquette could have been alerted that a certain few coaches had put out feelers sometime in the last few months. The Marquette leadership knew what they were doing when they put a clause to the effect of $100,000 payout to let Buzz go if the AD left. Then the AD left. Then all of this(if true about Smart) is coming together real fast too. Only question is what made Buzz jump ship? What was the lever used to get him to go? He left so much money on the table.

Next season on house of cards...
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 24, 2014, 02:23:42 PM: I say it was a long con. Pushed Crean out to get Buzz in, in order to push him to Va Tech and pull in Shaka.

Well played, MU - The master puppeteer of college hoops
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 02:25:39 PM: This seems like a stretch ... but I love the concept! (And I'm not even a Buzz-basher.)
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: warriorchick on March 24, 2014, 02:26:28 PM: I really don't give a sh!t how it happened. It happened!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM: Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 24, 2014, 02:23:42 PM
I say it was a long con. Pushed Crean out to get Buzz in, in order to push him to Va Tech and pull in Shaka.

Well played, MU - The master puppeteer of college hoops

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Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 02:28:34 PM: Several years ago, Buzz said he'd "be at Marquette as long as they will have me." Perhaps you've seen the numerous RT's of said quote by Chicos since?

In hindsight, he [Buzz] was absolutely right.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: forgetful on March 24, 2014, 02:31:41 PM: I wouldn't say he was Played, likely a mutual conclusion to a series of events.

Buzz has been floating his name for years and becoming increasingly unhappy. Apparently it was very close to him leaving this year.

A good leader is going to develop a ton of contingency plans in case a key asset leaves. They explored all options and came to the conclusion that no matter what, they were going to get an equal or better replacement for that asset.

Maybe they then tried to make things work, but quit going on of their way to make all possible accommodations…even to the point of potentially reinstalling more rules that fit the mission of the University.

Buzz stays they win….Buzz leaves, they have everything in motion to maintain an upward trajectory of the program.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 24, 2014, 02:32:01 PM: Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 24, 2014, 02:23:42 PM
I say it was a long con. Pushed Crean out to get Buzz in, in order to push him to Va Tech and pull in Shaka.

Well played, MU - The master puppeteer of college hoops

Not quite. This started when a source of mine convinced Al to announce his retirement in the middle of the 76-77 season...
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: forgetful on March 24, 2014, 02:32:20 PM: One thing is clear, if this plays out as it seems it will Broeker needs to be made AD.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 24, 2014, 02:34:21 PM: Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on March 24, 2014, 02:32:01 PM
Not quite. This started when a source of mine convinced Al to announce his retirement in the middle of the 76-77 season...
IT GOES DEEPER THAN WE COULD IMAGINE!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: mu03eng on March 24, 2014, 02:36:16 PM: This is next level conspiracy stuff, and I don't buy it. That may be the story MU admin tries to push at some point, but no way the BOT, Wild, Cords, and Broeker were that manipulative/forward thinking. I'm not saying they aren't smart and good at their jobs, but this is a conspiracy of Machiavellian proportions.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2014, 02:37:06 PM: Quote from: mu03eng on March 24, 2014, 02:36:16 PM
This is next level conspiracy stuff, and I don't buy it. That may be the story MU admin tries to push at some point, but no way the BOT, Wild, Cords, and Broeker were that manipulative/forward thinking. I'm not saying they aren't smart and good at their jobs, but this is a conspiracy of Machiavellian proportions.

Broeker on the grassy knoll!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: EnderWiggen on March 24, 2014, 02:39:36 PM: Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 24, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
IT GOES DEEPER THAN WE COULD IMAGINE!

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Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: TJ on March 24, 2014, 02:41:48 PM: Marquette University was founded in 1881 just so all of this could unravel as it has.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 02:42:44 PM: I'm not buying into the long-con, conspiracy part of the story.... but I do buy in to the concept that MU didn't make any real attempt to keep Buzz around.

Personally, I think Buzz was - at best - on the fence about taking the Va Tech job. Cords was the one who nudged him into their pasture.

Maybe Buzz was using Va Tech as leverage, and Cords called his bluff. Maybe Shaka had interest that predates last week. Maybe the AD set Buzz's eventual departure in motion in the wake of the incidents several years ago. Maybe there was a mutual agreement between Buzz and MU that he would depart after this season. Maybe Buzz tendered his resignation back in mid-February and was gracious enough to play out the year.

Lots of possibilities here, people. Each just as plausible as the next.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM: Quote from: TJ on March 24, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
Marquette University was founded in 1881 just so all of this could unravel as it has.

Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: TJ on March 24, 2014, 02:49:36 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: BaltimoreMC on March 24, 2014, 02:54:08 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!

This and the pope/white smoke thing are the two best posts of the year.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: jesmu84 on March 24, 2014, 02:58:39 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!

this was fantastic. Mods - can we make this the slogan at the top?
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Eldon on March 24, 2014, 03:03:35 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!

Crying from laughter here.

Comments like these make me a happy person. I like MUScoop.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: connie on March 24, 2014, 03:14:24 PM: Scoop has been on fire the past few days. Awesome.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 24, 2014, 03:29:39 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!

New name for Paint Touches blog.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:39:42 PM: Here's hoping MU wasn't just played by Shaka!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 03:40:52 PM: Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2014, 03:39:42 PM
Here's hoping MU wasn't just played by Shaka!

You mean a Shaka Con?

(not my joke)
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: dgies9156 on March 24, 2014, 03:45:37 PM: Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2014, 02:42:44 PM
I'm not buying into the long-con, conspiracy part of the story.... but I do buy in to the concept that MU didn't make any real attempt to keep Buzz around.

Personally, I think Buzz was - at best - on the fence about taking the Va Tech job. Cords was the one who nudged him into their pasture.

Maybe Buzz was using Va Tech as leverage, and Cords called his bluff. Maybe Shaka had interest that predates last week. Maybe the AD set Buzz's eventual departure in motion in the wake of the incidents several years ago. Maybe there was a mutual agreement between Buzz and MU that he would depart after this season. Maybe Buzz tendered his resignation back in mid-February and was gracious enough to play out the year.

Lots of possibilities here, people. Each just as plausible as the next.

Benny, you and I have disagreed from time to time, but on this one, you're 100% on the beam. I suspect we were getting pretty tired of the annual "Buzz to _______ University" and our dearly departed's unwillingness to stop the nonsense once and for all. He said he was here as long as we wanted him, yet the whispering going on behind Marquette's back was deafening.

Bury the corpse, celebrate the memory and move on to the next great era in Marquette basketball. Whether we get Shaka or Ben, I'm excited. Really excited!
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: bdee29 on March 24, 2014, 03:53:03 PM: Quote from: Slim on March 24, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
Joliet said to Marquette "get in the canoe and grab a paddle, I have a plan"!

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/11/laker_fan_dudes.gif) (http://reactiongifs.com/?p=4067)
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: willie warrior on March 24, 2014, 05:19:36 PM: Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 24, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
So youre saying they Buzz-cut Buzz? ;D
Where are the slurpers that insulted my ass all year long? Still hiding under their beds?
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: WarriorFan on March 24, 2014, 05:36:11 PM: I'm not buying it. These types of things only happen where there's intelligent leadership and a plan. Bill Cords has never been accused of either, and since the school has no real leadership at present, it's far more likely that things just happened.

PLUS... no Shaka yet.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Eldon on March 25, 2014, 06:25:14 AM: The Twitter troll for the 5pm announcement at the Al was all part of the plan.

Patience.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2014, 07:24:06 AM: Quote from: Eldon on March 25, 2014, 06:25:14 AM
The Twitter troll for the 5pm announcement at the Al was all part of the plan.

Patience.
Marquette and Joliet strike again...
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: hairy worthen on March 25, 2014, 07:28:59 AM: Quote from: willie warrior on March 24, 2014, 05:19:36 PM
Where are the slurpers that insulted my ass all year long? Still hiding under their beds?

The slurpers have been here all along you just like to pat yourself on the back and gloat. Enough already. I don't care if buzz turns out to be worse than hitler, your posts were old, repetitive and at times offensive. Think positive.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 28, 2014, 10:03:28 AM: Just an alum and diehard fan, have never had any inside information at all, but just saw the inner workings of how awful rumors get started. A coworker who is a big Iowa fan and I talk to every couple of days about college bball just stopped me in the hallway and said these exact words: "I've got some news for you about the Buzz Williams thing. A guy that knows a lot more than me told me that drug use was rampant on the team last year and Buzz looked the other way, so they sorta forced him out."
There you have it. And I'm naming my source. Odd guy who stopped me in the hallway.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: muhoops1 on March 28, 2014, 10:11:52 AM: Last year? Dude, I think it was rampant during his tenure. I believe Buzz's Holier than thou act is just that. Dude tended to look the other way on a lot of things.
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 10:13:57 AM: Wait, college basketball players might smoke pot.

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Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: frozena pizza on March 28, 2014, 10:15:42 AM: Quote from: muhoops1 on March 28, 2014, 10:11:52 AM
Last year? Dude, I think it was rampant during his tenure. I believe Buzz's Holier than thou act is just that. Dude tended to look the other way on a lot of things.

Is it possible that this is the concern with Howland (looking the other way)?
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 28, 2014, 10:18:20 AM: Quote from: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
Wait, college basketball players might smoke pot.

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/26660/2178890-youdontsay.jpg)

Funny story actually. I picked up a player (who will remain anonymous) at the AL while driving a LIMO and asked where he was going. His response "7-11, I got the munchies man"
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 28, 2014, 10:20:36 AM: Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 28, 2014, 10:18:20 AM
Funny story actually. I picked up a player (who will remain anonymous) at the AL while driving a LIMO and asked where he was going. His response "7-11, I got the munchies man"

You sure that it wasn't Ox just talking about his normal dietary needs?
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 28, 2014, 10:20:51 AM: Correction: we got played
Title: Re: Was Buzz Played? Did MU Know Shaka Would Come And Had To Push Him Out?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 28, 2014, 12:05:02 PM: Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 28, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
You sure that it wasn't Ox just talking about his normal dietary needs?

#LetMeEat