Per twitter
Edit: https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/447924311576563712
Specifically:
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247 4m
Hearing it is getting close to official between Ben Howland and Marquette.
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How would he know this?
Someone else on twitter confirmed the same report
Have any others put up the crystal ball for Marquette?
Quote from: Gardner's Postgame Snack on March 23, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
Have any others put up the crystal ball for Marquette?
Yup.
4 picks for Howland, 3 for Marshall, 3 for Shaka, and 1 for former Vikings coach Mike Tice (?)
The most recent updates are for Howland. Looks promising.
Hope they keep Chew
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye Protected Tweets 1h
Folks, Archie Miller is a great coach & will succeed wherever he's at. But 4 names are ahead of him in Marquette coaching search as of now.
Howland & Smart and who else?
Marshall I would hope
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 23, 2014, 09:53:20 PM
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye Protected Tweets 1h
Folks, Archie Miller is a great coach & will succeed wherever he's at. But 4 names are ahead of him in Marquette coaching search as of now.
Howland & Smart and who else?
Sure Brey would be ahead of him too.
Can I just say I like the name "Archie" and tried to convince her to use it for my youngest? Alas...we went with Thomas.
It seems strange these "getting close" leaks would be out there with Howland. Maybe MU is trying to reign in Shaka's asking price, or Howland is looking for a higher offer from Wake?
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 23, 2014, 09:53:20 PM
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye Protected Tweets 1h
Folks, Archie Miller is a great coach & will succeed wherever he's at. But 4 names are ahead of him in Marquette coaching search as of now.
Howland & Smart and who else?
Marshall andMike Tice?
How does Roy Schmidt have MU's list?
Quote from: Gardner's Postgame Snack on March 23, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
Have any others put up the crystal ball for Marquette?
I laughed so hard at this for some reason. Well done.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 23, 2014, 09:58:00 PM
It seems strange these "getting close" leaks would be out there with Howland. Maybe MU is trying to reign in Shaka's asking price, or Howland is looking for a higher offer from Wake?
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Jody Norstedt @J_Norstedt 7m
Good for NDSU fans hoping to keep Saul > "@jerrymeyer247: Hearing it is getting close to official between Ben Howland and Marquette."
(Weekend sports anchor in Fargo, ND)
Bad hire if it is Howland, has no idea how to coach offense, defensive coach, boring like Bo was until this year. From a reliable UCLA fan, it was hard watching that team with Howland as the coach. It is a safe hire, want a younger coach, does a 56 year old man want to drive to Chicago all the time, I doubt it. Will lose most of the recruits MU had and has no players he can talk to, to come with him as he has been out of basketball for a year, no connections in Chicago would be my guess. Chew would have to stay on, that is for sure. So it has to be a package deal,
love Chew and Shaka Smart, that would be a good pair to start with.
Quote from: connie on March 23, 2014, 09:59:07 PM
How does Roy Schmidt have MU's list?
He doesn't. I like his info but Mark Miller tweeted the Shaka story and 6 minutes later Schmidt had same info. Maybe thy have the same source? I feel comfortable with Miller talking about Wisconsin and the Schmidt bros. talking about Illinois. They go to a ton of games -- not sure about MU coaching searches for reliability.
That SI story about Howland and UCLA have me doubting that he's the right man for the job. Some really disturbing things in there. He does have a great record though...
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:08:02 PM
Bad hire if it is Howland, has no idea how to coach offense, defensive coach, boring like Bo was until this year. From a reliable UCLA fan, it was hard watching that team with Howland as the coach. It is a safe hire, want a younger coach, does a 56 year old man want to drive to Chicago all the time, I doubt it. Will lose most of the recruits MU had and has no players he can talk to, to come with him as he has been out of basketball for a year, no connections in Chicago would be my guess. Chew would have to stay on, that is for sure. So it has to be a package deal,
love Chew and Shaka Smart, that would be a good pair to start with.
We'd have to hope he learned from his mistakes during the latter part of his UCLA tenure.
It is true though, they were pretty hard to watch toward the end. With all that talent.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 23, 2014, 10:10:45 PM
It is true though, they were pretty hard to watch toward the end. With all that talent.
He won the conference championship in his final year in Westwood
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:08:02 PM
Bad hire if it is Howland, has no idea how to coach offense, defensive coach, boring like Bo was until this year. From a reliable UCLA fan, it was hard watching that team with Howland as the coach. It is a safe hire, want a younger coach, does a 56 year old man want to drive to Chicago all the time, I doubt it. Will lose most of the recruits MU had and has no players he can talk to, to come with him as he has been out of basketball for a year, no connections in Chicago would be my guess. Chew would have to stay on, that is for sure. So it has to be a package deal,
love Chew and Shaka Smart, that would be a good pair to start with.
UCLA finished first in the Pac 12 in offense last year, ahead of Arizona....they were in the top 20 nationally. When he was at Northern Arizona, three straight years they led the nation in 3 point shooting.
No doubt he is a defense first coach, but to say he has no idea how to coach offense is just not accurate.
He lasted 10 years at UCLA...the longest since a guy named John Wooden. It's a grinder out here. If he can get back to his roots, avoid the one and done types (which killed him at UCLA), he will be fine.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
UCLA finished first in the Pac 12 in offense last year, ahead of Arizona....they were in the top 20 nationally. When he was at Northern Arizona, three straight years they led the nation in 3 point shooting.
No doubt he is a defense first coach, but to say he has no idea how to coach offense is just not accurate.
He lasted 10 years at UCLA...the longest since a guy named John Wooden. It's a grinder out here. If he can get back to his roots, avoid the one and done types (which killed him at UCLA), he will be fine.
How do you feel about his ability to recruit here? I think everyone knows he can coach, but doesn't a school like UCLA recruit itself?
Despite your horribly misguided opinions on home court advantages in the NCAA tournament you do seem to have a good pulse on the west coast ;D Curious at to what you think.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:08:02 PM
Bad hire if it is Howland, has no idea how to coach offense, defensive coach, boring like Bo was until this year. From a reliable UCLA fan, it was hard watching that team with Howland as the coach. It is a safe hire, want a younger coach, does a 56 year old man want to drive to Chicago all the time, I doubt it. Will lose most of the recruits MU had and has no players he can talk to, to come with him as he has been out of basketball for a year, no connections in Chicago would be my guess. Chew would have to stay on, that is for sure. So it has to be a package deal,
love Chew and Shaka Smart, that would be a good pair to start with.
Why? Driving to Chicago takes as much time as driving from Westwood to Compton. LA traffic!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
UCLA finished first in the Pac 12 in offense last year, ahead of Arizona....they were in the top 20 nationally. When he was at Northern Arizona, three straight years they led the nation in 3 point shooting.
No doubt he is a defense first coach, but to say he has no idea how to coach offense is just not accurate.
He lasted 10 years at UCLA...the longest since a guy named John Wooden. It's a grinder out here. If he can get back to his roots, avoid the one and done types (which killed him at UCLA), he will be fine.
They should have done better with the talent he had and could get. So why did he get let go from UCLA then, Bill Walton hated his style of play. Of course, what does Bill know about hoops.
I think Howland will turn out to be a good hire. Wants to be in Milwaukee and has proven himself before. It seems as though the few UCLA posters who have visited this board shared the same sentiment: the "issues" Howland had there were slightly overblown.
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette. Looks like he is committed to my current institution. Win-win for me tonight.
He recruited pretty damn good at Pitt.......they were a 2 seed the year we beat them in the sweet 16 with Wade.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/21823520/uclas-ben-howland-on-his-past-his-future-and-yes-bill-walton-too
Hope Howland gets some "players coaches" on his staff....seemed he had a lot of player defects toward the end.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 23, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
How do you feel about his ability to recruit here? I think everyone knows he can coach, but doesn't a school like UCLA recruit itself?
Despite your horribly misguided opinions on home court advantages in the NCAA tournament you do seem to have a good pulse on the west coast ;D Curious at to what you think.
OK, I'm glad you put the :) in there. Again, home court advantage I believe in, and yesterday the Badgers had it. They earned that spot, that's where we differ. Oregon had the game.
OK, can he recruit. Well, he did at tiny Northern Arizona and did to Pitt. The thing I liked about the Pitt teams is that he won with a blue collar mentality, he can coach guys up. I don't know if he will be able to recruit at an elite level, that remains to be seen....if he is MU's guy. I do think whomever he is able to land, he will be able to get a lot out of them. That is certainly the hope.
Pitt's campus is in a tougher part of Pittsburgh, campus hasn't always been great, weather not fantastic, but he was able to do it. I suspect he will be able to at MU as well. My bigger concern is that he is a west coast guy and will he and his wife be ok with Milwaukee (if he is the guy) for the next 10 years. Hell, the way things are at MU, I guess 5 years is the number.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette.
I would be floored if this was true. He may not make a move, but he'd talk.
How would you guys compare Howland to Steve Lavin? Lavin had great success at UCLA as well. However that hasn't translated into the type of success at St Johns that MU would find acceptable. Yes he can recruit well but hasn't be able to translate that into winning. Its so easy to get super star talent at UCLA and that can cover up weaknesses in other areas. I want to be excited about Ben if he's the guy but the truth is Buzz has set the bar pretty high.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette. Looks like he is committed to my current institution. Win-win for me tonight.
Think Smart just loves VCU, or is he waiting on something else?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:18:31 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/21823520/uclas-ben-howland-on-his-past-his-future-and-yes-bill-walton-too
Read that article and you wonder how Ben would love walking to Lake Michigan when it is 10 below zero, talk about a culture shock after living in LA for 12 years or so. My brother lives in the Palisades and calls me everyday telling me I am nuts, I guess I am but I was born and raised here.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 23, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
Think Smart just loves VCU, or is he waiting on something else?
I wouldn't be shocked if he is hoping for Georgetown to eventually open up. If he likes the DC area, could make sense.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:22:13 PM
OK, I'm glad you put the :) in there. Again, home court advantage I believe in, and yesterday the Badgers had it. They earned that spot, that's where we differ. Oregon had the game.
OK, can he recruit. Well, he did at tiny Northern Arizona and did to Pitt. The thing I liked about the Pitt teams is that he won with a blue collar mentality, he can coach guys up. I don't know if he will be able to recruit at an elite level, that remains to be seen....if he is MU's guy. I do think whomever he is able to land, he will be able to get a lot out of them. That is certainly the hope.
Pitt's campus is in a tougher part of Pittsburgh, campus hasn't always been great, weather not fantastic, but he was able to do it. I suspect he will be able to at MU as well. My bigger concern is that he is a west coast guy and will he and his wife be ok with Milwaukee (if he is the guy) for the next 10 years. Hell, the way things are at MU, I guess 5 years is the number.
He wants back in and he knows the jobs are Wake Forest or MU. He said he wants MU.
If he really wanted to stay in LA, wait another year and USC will fire Andy Enfield. He's not.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
They should have done better with the talent he had and could get. So why did he get let go from UCLA then, Bill Walton hated his style of play. Of course, what does Bill know about hoops.
Bill is an opinionated guy. He gets restless with every coach at UCLA, this isn't the first and it won't be the last. It is how he is.
Should have done better...maybe. UCLA fans always think that, just as Duke fans can't believe they are out in the first game two of the last three years. UNC not going to the Sweet 16 after going to the NIT only 3 years ago. So on and so forth.
In his 10 years, four Pac 10 \ 12 titles. Two runner-ups. Three Final fours. At Pittsburgh, two Big East titles after being 11th his first year, then 5th. Not bad.
He got really hurt when Kevin Love and the rest of them left early. That was part of the downhill. He had a really good class 2 years ago that won the Pac 12 last year and is currently playing in Sweet 16 right now. I have no doubt if Howland was still coaching this year, they would be doing quite well.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 23, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
Hope Howland gets some "players coaches" on his staff....seemed he had a lot of player defects toward the end.
Buzz was a players coach, a transfer or 2 almost every year.
rumored that Howland will be announced tomorrow...IF true, it will be a GREAT way to start the week after the way last week went
Quote from: forgetful on March 23, 2014, 10:25:43 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if he is hoping for Georgetown to eventually open up. If he likes the DC area, could make sense.
If the team gets worse, they will take much longer to get rid of JTIII than they probably should. It's the whole Joey Meyer syndrome.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Bill is an opinionated guy. He gets restless with every coach at UCLA, this isn't the first and it won't be the last. It is how he is.
Should have done better...maybe. UCLA fans always think that, just as Duke fans can't believe they are out in the first game two of the last three years. UNC not going to the Sweet 16 after going to the NIT only 3 years ago. So on and so forth.
In his 10 years, four Pac 10 \ 12 titles. Two runner-ups. Three Final fours. At Pittsburgh, two Big East titles after being 11th his first year, then 5th. Not bad.
He got really hurt when Kevin Love and the rest of them left early. That was part of the downhill. He had a really good class 2 years ago that won the Pac 12 last year and is currently playing in Sweet 16 right now. I have no doubt if Howland was still coaching this year, they would be doing quite well.
Thanks for the insight. But here is one for you.....how does he compare to Crean? :P
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 23, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
Think Smart just loves VCU, or is he waiting on something else?
My guy tells me that he is truly happy here and would only bolt if it was a blue blood at this point. Nothing against Marquette obviously.
Shaka has never gotten further than just talking to a school over the phone. As many on here know, he was offered by the likes of UCLA, Minnesota, Illinois, USC and NC State. He has never physically stepped foot on any of those campuses to have discussions though. VCU has always met his demands.
I've been told that he wasn't quite as happy with the program his first few years but now that things are rolling with our practice facility and his budget demands have been met, along with the fact that he has an incredible relationship with our AD, president and fans, he is here until Duke et al. come calling.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 23, 2014, 10:23:48 PM
How would you guys compare Howland to Steve Lavin? Lavin had great success at UCLA as well. However that hasn't translated into the type of success at St Johns that MU would find acceptable. Yes he can recruit well but hasn't be able to translate that into winning. Its so easy to get super star talent at UCLA and that can cover up weaknesses in other areas. I want to be excited about Ben if he's the guy but the truth is Buzz has set the bar pretty high.
Steve's coaching ability has never been confused with Ben's. Lavin won one conference title, when he inherited Jim Harrick's team. Great recruiter, but had some absolutely monster losses....like 30 to 40 point losses that had alumni freaking out here on the coast. He was one of those guys that got hot in the NCAAs where he was 10-1 in the early rounds, but during the regular season it wasn't always pretty.
I like Lav, nice guy and I've had the pleasure to deal with him on a few things. Very engaging personality, but I would put Ben as a better coach as I think just about 95% of UCLA fans would as well.
Howland is obviously a good game coach, but I've heard that he pretty much wants nothing to do with alumni or the students.
My first choice would have been Marshall, but Howland would be next.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
My guy tells me that he is truly happy here and would only bolt if it was a blue blood at this point. Nothing against Marquette obviously.
Shaka has never gotten further than just talking to a school over the phone. As many on here know, he was offered by the likes of UCLA, Minnesota, Illinois, USC and NC State. He has never physically stepped foot on any of those campuses to have discussions though. VCU has always met his demands.
I've been told that he wasn't quite as happy with the program his first few years but now that things are rolling with our practice facility and his budget demands have been met, along with the fact that he has an incredible relationship with our AD, president and fans, he is here until Duke et al. come calling.
When K goes, that will be a doonybrook ... John Dawkins, Shaka, Amaker, others ... who is the early leader?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:25:35 PM
Read that article and you wonder how Ben would love walking to Lake Michigan when it is 10 below zero, talk about a culture shock after living in LA for 12 years or so. My brother lives in the Palisades and calls me everyday telling me I am nuts, I guess I am but I was born and raised here.
Yup, that is a concern, but he could stay here and coach at Pepperdine, Long Beach, UCI, LMU, USC, etc if it mattered to him to stay. He can comeback to the coast, but there is certainly a difference. I tell my relatives they are nuts, but then 10 seconds later I say I'm nuts for putting up with everything else this f'd state has to offer so it goes both ways.
Paint Touches @PaintTouches 1m
Am told there's "no truth" to Marquette and Ben Howland being close to finishing a deal. #mubb
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Bill is an opinionated guy. He gets restless with every coach at UCLA, this isn't the first and it won't be the last. It is how he is.
Should have done better...maybe. UCLA fans always think that, just as Duke fans can't believe they are out in the first game two of the last three years. UNC not going to the Sweet 16 after going to the NIT only 3 years ago. So on and so forth.
In his 10 years, four Pac 10 \ 12 titles. Two runner-ups. Three Final fours. At Pittsburgh, two Big East titles after being 11th his first year, then 5th. Not bad.
He got really hurt when Kevin Love and the rest of them left early. That was part of the downhill. He had a really good class 2 years ago that won the Pac 12 last year and is currently playing in Sweet 16 right now. I have no doubt if Howland was still coaching this year, they would be doing quite well.
OK, you have made some good points, but can he recruit at his age, at 56 do you want to wait 4 or 5 years to get connected in Chi and Wisconsin. Recruiting at MU is tough, really tough. As you can tell it was hard for Buzz as well. Senior class next year weak, junior class even weaker. New conference weaker, so that is a negative. I just think you need a younger person to figure this job out. I hope you are right and I am wrong, as winters are long enough here with the Bucks sucking and MU could be in the same place. He has credentials, and has recruited at the highest level, UCLA and MU are light years away in what they offer.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 23, 2014, 10:26:48 PM
He wants back in and he knows the jobs are Wake Forest or MU. He said he wants MU.
If he really wanted to stay in LA, wait another year and USC will fire Andy Enfield. He's not.
SC isn't going to fire Enfield after 2 years...they will give him a chance to succeed. He could have had the SC job potentially last year.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 23, 2014, 10:31:51 PM
Thanks for the insight. But here is one for you.....how does he compare to Crean? :P
Crean beat him head to head to go to the Elite 8....so since so many people only look at the NCAA tournament around here...we shouldn't hire him. ;)
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 23, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
Think Smart just loves VCU, or is he waiting on something else?
Knicks. Waiting for Jackson to pull the trigger as soon as the season ends. Have knowledgable sources. Phil loves him.
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 23, 2014, 10:33:10 PM
Howland is obviously a good game coach, but I've heard that he pretty much wants nothing to do with alumni or the students.
My first choice would have been Marshall, but Howland would be next.
+1...Marshall would be my first choice. And yes, Ben wants to coach and not have to deal with the pompous blowhard alumni. Unfortunately, that's part of the gig. Here's the deal, no coaches want to deal with the pompous blowhard alumni.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 23, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
Knicks. Waiting for Jackson to pull the trigger as soon as the season ends. Have knowledgable sources. Phil loves him.
Teal? Pretty positive "havoc" wouldn't work in the NBA
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:35:46 PM
OK, you have made some good points, but can he recruit at his age, at 56 do you want to wait 4 or 5 years to get connected in Chi and Wisconsin. Recruiting at MU is tough, really tough. As you can tell it was hard for Buzz as well. Senior class next year weak, junior class even weaker. New conference weaker, so that is a negative. I just think you need a younger person to figure this job out. I hope you are right and I am wrong, as winters are long enough here with the Bucks sucking and MU could be in the same place. He has credentials, and has recruited at the highest level, UCLA and MU are light years away in what they offer.
I don't know. Look, Ben's not my number one guy on my list. Marshall would be. Ben would be the safest hire. I'll be curious if this happens, I don't know and none of the peeps I know are saying anything.
My worry right now is this doesn't happen and MU has to go tier 2 (not Marshall, not Smart, not Howland)....and that could easily happen.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette.
I would not put money on that
So paint touches is saying there is no truth to howland and MU being close to a deal... Fun!
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/447939156023341057
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I think Howland will turn out to be a good hire. Wants to be in Milwaukee and has proven himself before. It seems as though the few UCLA posters who have visited this board shared the same sentiment: the "issues" Howland had there were slightly overblown.
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette. Looks like he is committed to my current institution. Win-win for me tonight.
Do you work in the athletic department?
I'm sorry, but this is hard to believe. If we had Doc involved and if he were to make a call to Smart, I guarantee he answers.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 23, 2014, 10:31:05 PM
take much longer to get rid of JTIII
I'm a Prep Hoya and it will be a very cold day in hell before they ask JTIII to leave. Absolutely won't happen while JTII is walking this earth.
I'm going to wait for a press conference to find out who is the next coach
Quote from: keefe on March 23, 2014, 10:40:11 PM
I would not put money on that
Just relaying what my guy told me - he's always been reliable. I don't think it was in the sense of "screw off, Marquette." I think it was more of a matter of, he's had multiple contract restructurings over the past few years and has almost everything he wants at this point. He knows what he wants. The AD and a few players came out publicly a few days ago and said Shaka is 100% committed. Absolutely no doubt in their minds.
Quote from: Eldon on March 23, 2014, 10:41:23 PM
Do you work in the athletic department?
I'm sorry, but this is hard to believe. If we had Doc involved and if he were to make a call to Smart, I guarantee he answers.
I do not work in the athletic department.
I happen to know a donor who regularly eats/mingles with higher-ups in our athletic department on the road. I'll leave it at that.
Trust me, I find it hard to believe as well. I don't think they have any reason to lie about it at this point though. They don't really need to spin things anymore because Shaka actually does want to stay (until the blue bloods come, like I said). They've completely bent over backwards for the guy. Increased his travel/meal budget by huge numbers. Upped the practice facility funds from $9 mil to $25 mil. Are specifically installing a center-court scoreboard, video system and audio system because of him. He owns this town and I think he enjoys it.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 23, 2014, 10:38:59 PM
Teal? Pretty positive "havoc" wouldn't work in the NBA
Obviously wouldn't carry that with him to the NBA. He**, would he even be able to carry something like that to a BCS conference?
I'm not sold on the Shaka to NBA thing. From what I know, he thoroughly enjoys the challenges of recruiting, unlike Stevens.
Quote from: Fullodds on March 23, 2014, 10:43:09 PM
I'm going to wait for a press conference to find out who is the next coach
Sound advice....these things can turn bad pretty quickly as folks have very high hopes and they can be dashed quite quickly.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:45:07 PM
I do not work in the athletic department.
I happen to know a donor who regularly eats/mingles with higher-ups in our athletic department on the road. I'll leave it at that.
Trust me, I find it hard to believe as well. I don't think they have any reason to lie about it at this point though. They don't really need to spin things anymore because Shaka actually does want to stay (until the blue bloods come, like I said). They've completely bent over backwards for the guy. Increased his travel/meal budget by huge numbers. Upped the practice facility funds from $9 mil to $25 mil. Are specifically installing a center-court scoreboard, video system and audio system because of him. He owns this town and I think he enjoys it.
Appreciate the info.
You just gotta understand that we were saying the *exact* same thing about Buzz no more than a few days ago and hence my skepticism.
Quote from: Eldon on March 23, 2014, 10:56:17 PM
Appreciate the info.
You just gotta understand that we were saying the *exact* same thing about Buzz no more than a few days ago and hence my skepticism.
Understandable. I was sort of nervous myself earlier until I talked to my guy.
It's a little different down here though. University administrators have regularly stated, publicly, how incredible their relationship is with Shaka. There is absolutely zero tension with boosters. He can literally do no wrong (sans that questionable column in our paper today). Could something nutty happen though? Certainly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:52:44 PM
Sound advice....these things can turn bad pretty quickly as folks have very high hopes and they can be dashed quite quickly.
Sort of like my hopes for a future including Buzz and Diamond.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:35:46 PM
OK, you have made some good points, but can he recruit at his age, at 56 do you want to wait 4 or 5 years to get connected in Chi and Wisconsin. Recruiting at MU is tough, really tough. As you can tell it was hard for Buzz as well. Senior class next year weak, junior class even weaker. New conference weaker, so that is a negative. I just think you need a younger person to figure this job out. I hope you are right and I am wrong, as winters are long enough here with the Bucks sucking and MU could be in the same place. He has credentials, and has recruited at the highest level, UCLA and MU are light years away in what they offer.
Why wouldn't he be able to recruit? He is already an established coach. Still has all his AAU and HS connections. Any coach in the Midwest is already going to be familiar with him and his credibility. He would have a much easier time than Marshall by far.
We all talked to our guys about 2 PM Friday and were told nothing was happenning.
Quote from: mufansince72 on March 23, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
We all talked to our guys about 2 PM Friday and were told nothing was happenning.
Not correct.
Michael Hunt @MichaelHuntMJS 2m
#mubb No contact between Marquette and Ben Howland on Sunday.
Quote from: JerseyWarrior on March 23, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
Michael Hunt @MichaelHuntMJS 2m
#mubb No contact between Marquette and Ben Howland on Sunday.
Could certainly be true. Others are correct in saying that we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. I can really only say what I know about Smart.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 23, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
Not correct.
Wish you guys in the know would get it together.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on March 23, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Why wouldn't he be able to recruit? He is already an established coach. Still has all his AAU and HS connections. Any coach in the Midwest is already going to be familiar with him and his credibility. He would have a much easier time than Marshall by far.
I never said I was sold on Marshall, not a hire I am excited about. Just like the young coaches with lots of enthusiasm. There are issues at an university that does not have an athletic director and president of the U. If they were strong, tight with the head coach, believe in the same mission then a coach should last along time at MU. Buzz had a different agenda, maybe to win at all costs. To much under the table crap with Buzz that was pushed under the rug. I would like to hear the real Mayo story, or the Monarch issue (there is more to this than a drive to Chicago), the Vander Blue issues, DJO problems, they all add up. Time to clean it all up, this is there chance. Maybe all those issues got to Buzz, the righteous one, who says, "as long as they want me I will stay at MU", well maybe they did not want him any longer. Maybe Buzz could not sleep at night with all he did under the table at MU. He did one right thing that is for sure Buzz's Bunch, give him a high 5 for that. Whomever they hire, take your time and get it right. MU is a great job with great resources, top 10 in that category.
Quote from: JerseyWarrior on March 23, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
Michael Hunt @MichaelHuntMJS 2m
#mubb No contact between Marquette and Ben Howland on Sunday.
I don't know what to think of all of this speculation but I'll be disappointed if we don't get Smart, Howland, or Marshall... unless there's some other big name involved that I have no idea about yet.
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on March 23, 2014, 11:29:15 PM
I don't know what to think of all of this speculation but I'll be disappointed if we don't get Smart, Howland, or Marshall... unless there's some other big name involved that I have no idea about yet.
Agreed.
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on March 23, 2014, 11:29:15 PM
I don't know what to think of all of this speculation but I'll be disappointed if we don't get Smart, Howland, or Marshall... unless there's some other big name involved that I have no idea about yet.
That's the danger of getting overly excited on all of this.
+1 to Chicos - I'm waiting to see
Rumor mill likely running faster than reality.
That said, I can't remember too many ESPN-run stories missing by that much... at least not how they were really amping up Howland to MU.
I'm confident ESPN has more robust sources in each camp than anyone on here.
I'll support whoever they bring in, but I'm in Camp Howland!
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
Rumor mill likely running faster than reality.
That said, I can't remember too many ESPN-run stories missing by that much... at least not how they were really amping up Howland to MU.
I'm confident ESPN has more robust sources in each camp than anyone on here.
I'll support whoever they bring in, but I'm in Camp Howland!
Same here. #teamhowland #teamdawson #teamscoop
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
Rumor mill likely running faster than reality.
That said, I can't remember too many ESPN-run stories missing by that much... at least not how they were really amping up Howland to MU.
I'm confident ESPN has more robust sources in each camp than anyone on here.
I'll support whoever they bring in, but I'm in Camp Howland!
What does Fox Sports have to say?
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 23, 2014, 10:08:53 PM
That SI story about Howland and UCLA have me doubting that he's the right man for the job. Some really disturbing things in there. He does have a great record though...
I don't like the Howland fit. To me it is too safe. If Smart won't talk much less come, I am down for Gregg Marshall, or even Brian Wardle.
I think a lot of people are just being prisoners of the moment with Marshall. He's had a two year stint with the same guys that play well together. To me, he is just another version of St. Joes Phil Martelli (04-05 season with Delonte West and Jameer Nelson). Like Martelli, Marshall will likely be forgotten about this time next year...
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on March 24, 2014, 12:54:36 AM
I don't like the Howland fit. To me it is too safe. If Smart won't talk much less come, I am down for Gregg Marshall, or even Brian Wardle.
Brian can be had at any time....I like Brian, but I would be extremely disappointed if that is who we ended up with this week.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on March 24, 2014, 01:20:59 AM
I think a lot of people are just being prisoners of the moment with Marshall. He's had a two year stint with the same guys that play well together. To me, he is just another version of St. Joes Phil Martelli (04-05 season with Delonte West and Jameer Nelson). Like Martelli, Marshall will likely be forgotten about this time next year...
I don't know, he's been good everywhere he's been.
Took Winthrop to the NCAAs 7 times in 9 years.
Took over a bad Wichita State team and after losing season in year one, has won 25 or more games in 5 of the last 6 years.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on March 24, 2014, 01:20:59 AM
I think a lot of people are just being prisoners of the moment with Marshall. He's had a two year stint with the same guys that play well together. To me, he is just another version of St. Joes Phil Martelli (04-05 season with Delonte West and Jameer Nelson). Like Martelli, Marshall will likely be forgotten about this time next year...
The interesting this to me is that Marshall is 51 and Howland is 56. I'm very very impressed with what Marshall did the last two years, but he isn't that stereotypical upstart mid-major coach.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
They should have done better with the talent he had and could get. So why did he get let go from UCLA then, Bill Walton hated his style of play. Of course, what does Bill know about hoops.
On WFAN radio they always play for comedic value an interview clip from Bil Walton where he says "Mike D'Antoni is a genius."
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 23, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I was told that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette. Looks like he is committed to my current institution. Win-win for me tonight.
This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone...
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 23, 2014, 10:23:02 PM
I would be floored if this was true. He may not make a move, but he'd talk.
Why? What in the past three years of every single school looking for a coach failing to get Shaka Smart made you believe that MU was suddenly the one?
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on March 24, 2014, 12:54:36 AM
I don't like the Howland fit. To me it is too safe. If Smart won't talk much less come, I am down for Gregg Marshall, or even Brian Wardle.
Seriously? You don't like Howland and you want Brian Wardle instead? The only possible disappointment for me this week is if they hire Brian Wardle.
Quote from: TJ on March 24, 2014, 08:47:24 AM
Seriously? You don't like Howland and you want Brian Wardle instead? The only possible disappointment for me this week is if they hire Brian Wardle.
If one were a believer of ESPN conspiracy theories, they pump up the Howland story, only to make MU/Big East look bad when we hire Wardle.
I like Wardle as our next hire 7-10 years from now. Not now and not if we can get Howland or Smart.
Just wondering if all the people concerned about Howland at UCLA considered the fact that he is more of a blue-collar, work hard, play defense kind of coach who was then living in a part of the world where style quite often trumped substance? Better to be flashy and lose than fundamentally sound and win?
To the best of my memory, there were no issues while at Pitt or Northern Arizona.
Quote from: humanlung on March 24, 2014, 09:43:59 AM
Just wondering if all the people concerned about Howland at UCLA considered the fact that he is more of a blue-collar, work hard, play defense kind of coach who was then living in a part of the world where style quite often trumped substance? Better to be flashy and lose than fundamentally sound and win?
To the best of my memory, there were no issues while at Pitt or Northern Arizona.
I generally like the style of play where we win.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 24, 2014, 09:47:24 AM
I generally like the style of play where we win.
That is preferable. Don't have the numbers, but I'll also assume his defensive style isn't one where every team shoots lights out from beyond the arc on him, which would be more exciting than our style the past couple years.
As far as pace, UCLA was #30 in adjusted tempo last year, MU was #239. And Howland said to Seth Davis in September, "There's no question, we will run more wherever I'm at a year from now."
If Wardle was not an MU Alum, nobody would be throwing his name out as a candidate...
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
Getting 2 streams of information on Marquette. One stream is saying Ben Howland. The other stream is saying Shaka Smart.
of course yesterday he tweeted that howland and MU were close to deal
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 24, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
of course yesterday he tweeted that howland and MU were close to deal
Which wasn't the case because Marquette wasn't in contact with Howland yesterday.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 24, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
Getting 2 streams of information on Marquette. One stream is saying Ben Howland. The other stream is saying Shaka Smart.
of course yesterday he tweeted that howland and MU were close to deal
Yeaaa buddy. Either way I am very pleased and consider either an upgrade. Thats not a knock on Brent just a compliment to the other two.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 24, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
Which wasn't the case because Marquette wasn't in contact with Howland yesterday.
Yeah, you are right, according to Hunt. Others said there was contact, who knows, there is so much information out there. Doc Rivers was involved with contact according to others.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 24, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
Yeah, you are right, according to Hunt. Others said there was contact, who knows, there is so much information out there. Doc Rivers was involved with contact according to others.
Say what you will about Hunt, but you're putting rumors from twitter nobodies up against a Marquette beat writer that has his job on the line.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 24, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
Say what you will about Hunt, but you're putting rumors from twitter nobodies up against a Marquette beat writer that has his job on the line.
No, not putting more credibility over beat writer, was just posting the tweet, and also noted that he said howland was close to deal the previous day. So I was taking it with a grain of salt.
Quote from: chapman on March 24, 2014, 10:00:22 AM
That is preferable. Don't have the numbers, but I'll also assume his defensive style isn't one where every team shoots lights out from beyond the arc on him, which would be more exciting than our style the past couple years.
As far as pace, UCLA was #30 in adjusted tempo last year, MU was #239. And Howland said to Seth Davis in September, "There's no question, we will run more wherever I'm at a year from now."
According to Pomeroy, Marquette had an adjusted tempo of
67.0 possessions per game from 2009-2014.
Howland's last 5 years at UCLA, 2009-2013, their adjusted tempo was
66.9 possessions per game.
#155 & #156 in the nation
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 24, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
Getting 2 streams of information on Marquette. One stream is saying Ben Howland. The other stream is saying Shaka Smart.
of course yesterday he tweeted that howland and MU were close to deal
The crystal ball is cloudy.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 24, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
Say what you will about Hunt, but you're putting rumors from twitter nobodies up against a Marquette beat writer that has his job on the line.
I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic or sarcastic, but this gave me a good laugh.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 10:22:13 PM
OK, I'm glad you put the :) in there. Again, home court advantage I believe in, and yesterday the Badgers had it. They earned that spot, that's where we differ. Oregon had the game.
OK, can he recruit. Well, he did at tiny Northern Arizona and did to Pitt. The thing I liked about the Pitt teams is that he won with a blue collar mentality, he can coach guys up. I don't know if he will be able to recruit at an elite level, that remains to be seen....if he is MU's guy. I do think whomever he is able to land, he will be able to get a lot out of them. That is certainly the hope.
Pitt's campus is in a tougher part of Pittsburgh, campus hasn't always been great, weather not fantastic, but he was able to do it. I suspect he will be able to at MU as well. My bigger concern is that he is a west coast guy and will he and his wife be ok with Milwaukee (if he is the guy) for the next 10 years. Hell, the way things are at MU, I guess 5 years is the number.
That Pitt team was also incredibly balanced, six players averaged between 9 and 13 points per game. I like that unselfish, balanced type of team. Better for a non-blue blood type school than trying for top stars who will carry the school for a year then bolt for the draft.
Nobody needs to fly off at the handle.